>>109013156 >they'll make me like the series less. I have never understood this line of thinking. Would you go around saying "Yeah I used to really like Straw Dogs but after the remake I started hating it."
>>109013156 >Rebuild 1.11 Hey it's the first six episodes but HD! And substantially less time focusing on character interaction. Well the action is solid. >Rebuild 2.22 Who the fuck is this Mari girl? Well she got the first five minutes of screentime, I'm sure it will...[2 hours later] never be explained. Looks like they're mostly sticking to the plot. Wait what the fuck we're already fighting the Angel that breaks into NERV? >Rebuild 3.33 Well, the first two were really hyped about the world ending and full of action. They left the audience with too many questions, but I'm sure now that Kaworu is here, they'll answer [2 hours later] none of them. Why is this movie so slow? Why is everyone playing "catch the idiot ball"? What the fuck were the writers thinking?
If 2.22's Rebuild is Phantom Menace, 3.33 is Attack of the Clones. It's like Anno decided to Lucas the franchise.
Firstly. pacing as events that happen over time, in 3.33 we are incredibly jumpy in time right from the start with a 14-year timeskip, and it's one hardly credibly unbroken movie moving from scene to scene so that no one has the chance to get up and leave. Hypnotic.
In a more concise way, there are massive holes in just 3.33 alone, lots of time passes yet we see so little of it. In one moment we're here, in another we're there without any sort of explanation.
In this sense, 3.33 would have a fast pacing like you say.
But in the second, how much raw information you're being presented through developments and change within the movie. Which is where it's slow. The characters and setting is largely static and the movie spends forever changing them if at all, we spend lots of time on showing new scenery and technobabble, but none of it is actually changing anything within what we saw, the final impact being the biggest change aside from the initial change of scenery from spess to SBM.
I'm just guessing here mostly, but by the end of the movie it feels as if nothing was really accomplished, everything was too simple and lacked anything intricate.
This simplicity is often mistaken with the movie being confusing, because people are desperately looking for something more than the very simple thing they just saw.
Because Evangelion is such a respected name, there MUST be something more than the horrid Kaworufag pandering movie that doubles as Anno's "fuck you" to Rei they just saw.
If there is anything more, it's sure as hell not in the movie. Only in the imagination, AKA "moe".
>>109014266 the composition with the wings like that is classic seraph and there are a couple paintings of them with eyes on the wings like that, after a description in revelations and exekiel too kinda
>>109015040 >credibly unbroken movie moving from scene to scene so that no one has the chance to get up and leave. Hypnotic.
I honestly loved the scene to scene transitions. Pretty new cinematography hijinks that were never present in any other Eva episode or movie. I'm really interested to see how 4.0 turns out with this new direction.
>we spend lots of time on showing new scenery and technobabble
This was....odd. I see where they were going with this, they wanted to wow the audience. Building a shit ton of suspense as the prelude to Asuka's space fight, and the Wunder's launch sequence. It could have worked better if 3.33 had better use of animation...or at least better animation in general.
>by the end of the movie it feels as if nothing was really accomplished
I agree here. That feeling is largely there. Shinji ends up back in the hands of WILLE, with Misato's and Asuka's relationship with Shinji largely unchanged since the beginning of the film. And of course, what happened with Rei...
>>109015739 The scene transitions aren't new, 2.0 had the same thing and NGE the rest, but that's not what I meant. Not the transition itself, but the idea that there are a lot of transitions that are practically invisible.
It's not exactly what I meant with accomplished either, the direction of the plot is one thing, but what exactly do we accomplish with moving this way? Do we learn more, was this meaningful in any way, were the developments justified, can we say for sure that this isn't Anno "masturbating" ?
Take what happens to Shinji and Rei, both end up in a bad place. Is that in itself an accomplishment? I argue that it isn't in 3.0, because getting there was done in such an openly contrived way that we could just as well have started the movie with it's final scene.
There is no "accomplishment" in merely making an 180 in terms of character, the accomplishment lies in doing the 180 tactfully and plausibly. What happened with 3.0 was just a swing of the wand, 14 years gone and here we are.
>>109016185 My guess is that Anno wanted us to feel the same way shinji does since we have no background on what happened. Maybe the next movie won't be about shinji anymore but about his surroundings and some hints at what actually happened between 2.22 and 3.33.
There are lots of detractors of NME, particularly on 4chan. This seems to mostly surround 3.0; it divided the fanbase (i.e. those with taste vs. those without taste). HINT: It's magnificent
In terms of Rebuild "taking away" from NGE, that's an incredibly juvenile and unfair way to look at any supplemental media, even if it's made by the same guys. Despite that fear, Rebuild does no such thing; while I personally feel NGE+EoE is sublime and probably cannot be topped, Rebuild is fantastically entertaining at worst and a splendid addition to the EVA multiverse at best. 3.0 is the first one to truly shape this EVAverse with unique characteristics, and is certainly the first where Anno's meta touch comes back into play (Shinji, and his tribulations throughout, have a much stronger audience allegorical tie than 1.0/2.0, which basically were meant to set up the slight narrative shifts from NGE to NME). If NME/EoE was Anno talking to anime fans in general, 3.0 sychronizes with the obsessive EVA fan specifically; how people respond to it tells you on which side of the appreciative fence they fall.
If you're an EVA fan and want a far more insightful take of Rebuild's motifs and a deeper look into the production and what influences its authors may or may not have received, check out the EvaGeeks forum. This user said it perfectly.
>>109016185 If that's all you took away from it, yikes. While there are multiple sources on the Internet that can explain what metaphorical ties you missed, that's on you if you're actually interested in correcting your misunderstanding and not knee-jerk reacting to how 3.0 differed from the fanfic scenario you had prior to viewing.
>>109016483 not everything is a troll sometimes it's simply a more sophisticated argument; people getting upset due to the disparity between their understanding and what's really happening is incidental
>>109016451 3.33 will take the EoE path. Tons of people will hate its dark shift in tone and excessive metaphor at first, but as they begin to understand its complexity and implications will eventually say "GENIUS!" Give it a couple years
>>109016563 When you word it as being a matter of having taste and NOT having taste, then it's b8. If you insist on it not being b8, then I claim the opposite: Those who do not negatively criticize 3.33 don't have taste.
Moreover, if you're an EVA fan that values more than just the shallow nothings of the laser beam and the waifu-of-choice, then 3.33 in particular should disgust you deeply to the core. Because what is 3.33, if not only that?
Without anything to call it's own beyond what it changes, nor anything to boast in terms of improvement besides it's new cinema format, 3.33 does not impress. It is meta but not in any way even the previous two movies were, and moreover in a way that isn't inherent to the idea of a remake that has changes in it.
>>109016987 >>109016451 Anon please. Unlike 3.33, EoE is the ending that came after twenty-six episodes and a recap movie of solid, honest material that created not only something unique out of well-known ideas, but something with substance in every corner.
3.33 will always be known as the movie that stripped Rebuild from the chance of having substance of it's own, and it will be hated for it, as it is now.
It will be loved by the fans which it pleases, much like fan-fiction or pornography is appreciated.
It's new universe is specifically crafted to promote a singular romantic relationship more than it is to provide a moral message like NGE did in the past. Such relationships are a commodity sold to the otaku masses for great profits.
3.0 hype existed because nobody believed it would go down this path.
>>109015739 >by the end of the movie it feels as if nothing was really accomplished
>I agree here EVA was always about Shinji. NGE gussied up the narrative to give the appearance of a cohesive series, but most of it was slapdash and, by Anno's admission, not the central focus as he intended it. Rebuild's shift to be more Shinji-centric gels with his declaration that this Rebuild would align more closely with what he first envisioned (although inarguably a bit different, as his aesthetic tastes and influences have been modified since 1995/1996).
The loose and seemingly "inarticulate" narrative as a whole is only a minor issue, as that narrative was never the focus; it's more of an environmental context from which further metaphor could be extracted by Shinji's interaction against its background. While some may want a fleshed out, fully formed and cohesive structure, I feel that EVA's best comes from its still images and overwrought interpersonal struggles, and it's here that we're given gold (particularly in 3.0).
It's evident that what many wanted Rebuild to be—a clarified, more easily understandable re-telling of NGE's plot with 21st century production values and all the same interpersonal dynamics re-examined (but not modified)—is not what NME is intended to be. NGE was Anno's "honest feelings" transposed; sometimes glaringly, sometimes abstractly, and sometimes so subtly as to require numerous re-watchings to glean. Much of these feelings were self-directed, and to whatever extent his self-excoriation and analysis mirrored the sentiments and struggles of the viewer became the series' philosophical center. Shinji's struggles were Anno's, an anime fan whose shyness and dissociated anger plagued him; this happened to describe many of the fans who watched his show. The cataloging of the self was a shared experience.
3.0 examines an EVA fan: Why they're still here, what they expected, and how they've changed (not necessarily for the better) since EVA.
>>109018683 That sounds right. When it was released, a lot of people hated 3.0, but I liked it; I enjoyed that it was confusing, arcane, and made shinji suffer; Why would a penultimate chapter explain things or hold good signs for the hero? This is, after all, his darkest hour.
3.0 is much like the TV series in 18-24. I never understood many of the complaints, since the movie did what it was meant to quite well.
>>109017159 None of these assertions are backed by any kind of analysis or exegetical supplementation. They're just sentiments:
>a recap movie of solid, honest material >stripped Rebuild from the chance of having substance of it's own >hated for it
And then there was the comparison to "pornography;" in a debate, such a term would be labelled "supererogatory."
To those curious about Rebuild: There's no further exposition necessary. NME (and 3.0) stands on its own merits; any additional interpretive analyses you may want to enrich your viewing are available at the usual fan forums/wikis.
>>109019214 >None of these assertions are backed by any kind of analysis or exegetical supplementation. They're just sentiments: Untrue, they were backed with facts and analysis, in case you missed one of them, this is one of the facts and comparisons: -3.33 is not the end of Rebuild, while EoE is the end of it's story. -EoE serves as an continuation of a far more elaborate story and narrative than 3.33 does
Which means his claim, which is the only claim that is actually a sentiment, is wrong.
You might want to try some of that "analysis" or "exegetical supplementation" yourself if you want to ever graduate from being a Rebuild otaku fanboy reject from Evageeks.
>And then there was the comparison to "pornography;" in a debate, such a term would be labelled "supererogatory." Only if you're ignorant of what you're speaking of, even Anno refers to his creation as masturbatory and anime itself as a form of pornography. The idea is that it can be more than that, but as it is 3.0 and Rebuild isn't.
>>109018851 >Much like TV series 18-24 hahaha what fucking fresh bullshit is this?
Shinji never played with the idiot ball in 18-24. Also, 18-24 were strongly built around Asuka/Misato/Shinji's spirals downward. If we're viewing the series as whole story, the first 12 episodes at the first and second acts. Act three is 14-17 and Act four is 18-24. Act five is 25/26/EoE.
In act four of any tragedy, lots of shit happens quickly to ruin the characters goals. To completely fuck them up. Decisions are made hastily. If we're going for a classic example, this is when Romeo and Juliet decide it's the perfect time for a suicide pact. The hasty decisions that are made during 18-24 (Asuka's suicide attempt, Misato choosing to investigate Kaiji's death/NERV, Shinji deciding to withdraw from contact with either of them and arguably up to the point where he masturbates over Asuka)
>>109018683 >EVA was always about Shinji. The main narrative always involved Shinji, but objectively, factually, actually, realistically, Evangelion was comprised of 26 20 minute episodes with far more content than Shinji. It's not a one man show, nor is Rebuild, Rebuild's problem is that it just plain sucks.
With that your entire argument as comparison falls together.
Secondly your remaining text is a mere strawman production of making up imaginary audiences with equally imaginary , which you use to construct an imaginary real-world narrative where you can stand on the right side, where you earlier put it as "good taste". Sounds like the workings of someone paranoid and insecure if you ask me.
3.0 does consider the nature of fans, although not in the way you might suggest. Not as an analysis or examination, but it considers what the fan wants and gives it to them. It considers what potentially new fans might want to see, and creates itself in order to provide that, changing the original to follow suit.
This is called pandering. The question that remains is, to which fans does it pander? Primarily, themselves as fans. This work is more about Hideaki Anno (and his team) than the audience, everything in it is his(their) desire on film. Quite patently so, by their own admission in various interviews. Secondarily comes anyone who might watch it and find themselves having the same palate as the primaries.
>>109018851 You are the dumbest faggot I've seen on /a/ in a while.
3.0 is the most empty and vapid entry in Rebuild so far, and you compare that with the part of NGE that intensively goes into the setting and characters, the background story and their inner psyche. In plural.
You compare that with 3.0. You're right when you say you're "confused", and that you enjoy it is one thing - you're too dumb to actually digest NGE and Rebuild, so for you they're all the same "confusing mess".
>>109020056 I can be sure that I am correct in my review since you continue being an idiot even in the next post, where you claim I didn't address your statement despite the fact that I clearly did in my post.
It was short, concise and to the point, something you'd might miss if you just skimmed the post and got buttflustered while trying to write a smartass reply. I'm giving you a more chance to actually read the posts you reply to before I point it out to you.
If you can't, then have a protip: Register an account at evageeks. There's lots of dumb people there waiting for you.
>>109019904 I'm not any of the people you responded to, but could you be any more of an insufferable faggot? People like you are the very worst posters on /a/. At the very least, rest easy knowing that your opinion means absolutely nothing to Khara or even /a/ itself.
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