What the fuck did I just watch, and what the fuck is this shit? I picked this up because of all the hype on /a/, and now that its over, again i ask, what the fuck is this shit? What happened to all the things they mentioned before episode 25-26? Adam, Lilith, these moon things? 26 episodes leading up to pure garbage.
You're supposed to go watch End of Evangelion now, and then make this thread.
Watch EoE and then you come back here.
Oh boy wait til you watch pic related.
what does time travel have to do with emo mechas?
Seriously, OP: You got this show from somewhere, right? You downloaded it, watched it online or whatever. Have you never seen that there exists an entire fucking movie called "The End of Evangelion"? Has it never occurred to you that you maybe should watch that before whining about how you didn't understand the ending?
OP here. I knew there were movies about NGE, but I assumed that all anime movies based off of TV shows were either just long, fancy recaps, or non-canon bullshit. I never heard of an anime movie that actually continued a story. Gonna pick it up tonight, and hopefully, itll answer my questions
Its not really a movie in that sense, its basically the ending the creators intended for the show but they ran out of money. It came out a bit later and sort of the second ending.
shouldn't you be asleep by now? Its getting late and we don't want your parents to get angry do we?
Did you ever notice the Christian symbolism in that scene?
Anno truly is an inspiration to us all
well he has given us plenty of time between the movies to get out... then again maybe he is trying to put the fanbase in withdrawal to increase profit.
>people seriously asking if they should watch EoE
It's the only reason to watch Eva in the first place. EoE is hands down the greatest anime ending of all time.
1.0 takes two years after EoE. The ending to the manga confirms it.
And the bonus chapter in the final manga volume has fucking Mari. Shits going down.
Mari is a new pilot who appears in 2.0.
Why do you post this in every Eva thread, anon?
The first movie was a summery of the first 6 episodes, second movie introduced a new character and didnt really knew in what direction it was going to. The third movie threw everything overboard and became a proper rebuild movie, I guess it was also alright, not as bad as people are saying on 4chan.
Oh, and we're getting a NEW preview for 4.0 on September 5, after 3.0's TV premiere.
Get fucking hyped.
That's a new nonsensial fansrvice bullshit for milking the rabid fanbase.
Basicly it's utter shit with atrocious 3d and everyone is gay.
Evangelion ended with The END of Evangelion.
There's a lot to be hyped about in Rebuild.
Fuck you. Rebuild is saving anime with it's state of the art CGI, explosions, and cool music.
That's a clusterfuck with no intended meaning.
>1.11 has ME eva corpses
>Anno says Rebuild has nothing to do with EVA
>Manga subtly nods towards continuation
This basicly is one massive "Don't tell fans anything and they will come up with something"
They just slap bullshit and don't give you any information at all so any theory can take place.
In NGE it worked because the hiles were relatively small. In Rebuild it's on a whole new level, you have to come up with literally everything and it's lke there's no plot at all.
Just finished this a couple of days ago (EoE I mean) and I think I good a good grasp of what's going on, but there's one thing that I think I have missed:
Why was Seele attacking the HQ again? They had the same goal and were about to fulfill it weren't they? Also, why did Gendou freak out when Rei took in Adam's body? Instrumentality still happened didn't it? (Well almost)
This is never really explained. We know that Gendo's goal was to reunite with Yui in some way, how this differs from SEELE's plan is not clear. The execution is definitely different.
He freaked out because Rei didn't want to play along with his plan and left the decision to Shinji.
Starting this shit was only the beginning, like pulling out the pin from grenade and Rei was the one who decided where to throw it.
SEELE were plannin to nake a new super being out of humanity, basicly mix stength of Adam's angels and Intellect of Lilith's humans.
Gendo planned to use this all to reunite with Yui. He wanted to sacrifice the world for waifu. That's why SEELE tried to stop him.
Instead Rei told both of sides to fuck off and went to Shinji asking for what will make HIM happy. So shinji stopped it halfway in and left people a way back to their human forms if the want.
Do you remember how The Matrix ended - It's up to you if you want sweet illusion or bitter reality, you can leaveif you want.
Why don't you want to be an immortal space being?
I guess being an immortal space being is cool.
They get their individuality back.
She wanted there to be a lasting legacy long after humanity became Tang.
In 4.44, it will be revealed that there are multiple 01s floating out in space.
>NGE x Hitchhiker's Guide fanart
Well, that's not something I ever expected to see.
Rei's fate struck me as tragic. She's struggling with finding an identity as a human being through the whole series but ends up as a mere vessel for Lilith's soul anyway. Where she is after EoE is impossible to say though.
Reminder than Anno is a
It isn't GNRei if that's what you're thinking.
Well okay, it probably is Rei, but it's not the GNRei you know.
Oi vey I heard you evafags liked Mari eh?
Do you think kissing and hand-holding would fit into the movie? Besides, why are you upset? If anything, Shinji and Asuka are closer than ever before after EoE.
Final trailer in Late August or September 5th, not even joking.
They're having a Rebuild TV marathon+special Agust 25-September 5th, every time Khara's had a Rebuild TV special, a trailer for the next movie has been packaged along with it.
Instrumentality tore their walls down, I think that's the entire point of the "how disgusting" line, but it remains to be seen just how much they're willing to shield their emotions afterwards.
Or not, if it does turn out that Rebuild is the sequel.
Anno has said that he's not going to ever confirm either of theories.
He outright stated that you're free to think anything you want and you get no ansvers.
Old fart got too full of himself, really.
That was the old Anno, I have no idea what the current Anno is trying to achieve with the Rebuilds, and now the manga. The only answer I can come up with is that he is imposing his own continuity onto the franchise that connects everything together.
>There are LASfags RIGHT NOW who still think Asuka "won"
>There are LASfags RIGHT NOW who take Retake as canon
That's the new anno with Rebuilds.
Eoe was making sense and he was open for interviews back in 1997.
But after all that he went nuts from too much fame and too much money.
All consciousness becomes one with Lilith, as it was at the start of history. All suffering and problematics are gone, finished, dissipated; a transcendental resolution to every plot point, idea and character pathos.
You need Buddhism and Kojeve on Hegel to see this on your own.
Well, no, at least not IMO. As I see it, that scene and the Komm, susser Tod scene are additional examples that show that Shinji and Asuka care about themselves much more than they care about each other, thus a relationship between them can't work.
As to how that changes after Instrumentality is up to your imagination.
He panders his favorite characters, pushes Kawoshin, adds random nonsensial bullshit to make it look slightly like eva, convolutes it all so EVAfags could discuss it and makes money and attention.
He tries to make something by eva's recipie but with less Rei and more Kaworu and a Mari for fucks sake.
Rebuild is now about imposing infinite loops so that he can continue to milk the series even further with new iterations, re-establishing popularity numbers with certain characters and confirming or denying which ships are canon and not canon.
>he went nuts from too much fame and too much money.
Anno sold his soul to the devil, but not the rights, and he's damn milking it for all its worth.
>Shinji and Asuka care about themselves much more than they care about each other, thus a relationship between them can't work.
There are very few humans who care more about others than themselves.
Also his relationship with Asuka means confrontation which would be far "healthier" than stagnation.
Just my opinion.
Lilith made humans by splitting herself, Adam made angels by splitting himself.
Lilith likely birthed Adam, as is in christian mythology but it's not ever stated in the show.
Gendo wanted to use Lilith to reach Yui, he could not do it by reuniting Adam since Yui didn't come from Adam.
Seele wanted to become one with their MP Eva's and unite with Adam to attain godhood.
People who don't understand this don't understand why Eva had the perfect ending.
>Lilith likely birthed Adam, as is in christian mythology
Lilith was Adam's first wife but didn't wanted to be submissive and was banished by god.
Kinda ironic how Asuka fits more into the role of Lilith and Rei into that of Eve
Hey Marifriend, he's not hating on the characters, he's hating on Anno.
We're all suffering negatively from this, if Anno had taken the whole thing more seriously, Mari could possibly be more featured and validated as a character so that fans wouldn't need to run mental marathons to defend the character even existed.
Anno shitting on Rei partially proves that he's only out to pander his favorite characters, rather than being professional and writing characters to be as good as possible regardless of his own fandom.
We ALL lose, only some more obviously than others.
>Lilith birthed Adam
Nope, seed of Life and Knowledge were both sent by the FAR aliums.
They didn't split themselves either, they were both forcibly sealed or had their souls removed by humans.
In EVA Adam was the first one on Earth.
Then Lilith came with an Asteroid (the first Impact). Some slusterfuck happened, they had a fight or something so Adam ended up with his own lance in his chest and went to slumber.
Adam went to slumber, angels too, Lilith gave birth to humans and also went to sleep.
Then humans discovered them, started experiments, pulled the spear outta Adam and it woke him up and begun the second impact.
Lilith is not his wife nor mother, she's his "sister"
Lilith oozed LCL to create life on earth, it makes sense to say split herself because she can reunite with the life she created.
Adam was forcibly split into the angels by humans who likely didn't know what they were doing.
Asuka does not care much about Shinji's feelings. She wants someone to hold her, but she never helped him because that would mean to admit that she's not a strong independent woman who don't need no man.
Shinji wants someone to comfort him, but he never comforted her because he would need to step out of his isolation for that and that could possibly hurt him.
They had no chance before Instrumentality.
>Holy fucking shit I have personally talked to this man
>I know him. Heck I can contact him at any time probably. He's mostly kinda over himself...kinda
>It...kinda was. Like I said he's fairly autistic
>That he's functional enough to hold a job and survive Mexico is a wonder in of itself
that happens if you let gooks play with religios "symbolism"
Captcha : deep gonaoa
No, when they crashed on Earth Adam had his lance destroyed, so the Lance of Longinus was used on Adam to stop him.
Because Lilith was able to exist outside of suspended animation she created humans.
Shut up, you don't know what you're talking about. Lilith wasn't bleeding LCL until they put the spear in her after Second Impact.
>panders to his favorite characters
In that case, Misato, Gendo and the other adults would be getting far more screen time and attention.
Are you implying it wasn't always canon?
>adds random nonsensial bullshit
It's like people here weren't pre-2004 evafags so they didn't know how convoluted the lore really was until wikis and NGE 2 translations made it a cakewalk for them.
>but with less Rei and more Kaworu and a Mari for fucks sake
Rei is not be-all-end-all of Evangelion.
Mari I can understand, since she merely exists from the forced requests of a Gainax producer, but Reifags need to stop believing that their character is some god-tier special snowflake who should have the plot center around her and Shinji 24/7.
> they had a fight or something
What the fuck, they never fought.
Adam would've helped Lilith if not for his lance going into auto-defense mode and sending him into some eternal slumber.
>No, when they crashed on Earth Adam had his lance destroyed,
Never said anything about this. Your attempt at contradiction doesn't even make sense.
>Lilith wasn't bleeding LCL until they put the spear in her after Second Impact.
Fuck off, LCL is the primordial ooze. You don't know what you're talking about.
J-just because the water happened to be red due to a retcon doesn't m-make it true, right? Those other things are coincidental allusions to the original series but have no significance beyond that! A-and you can't possibly explain a completely barren world being reconstructed from scratch and nobody remembering anything that happened!
When the two seeds landed, they couldn't co-exist to Adams lance seal him, since Liliths was destroyed on impact.
She lived on and made humans, she didn't split, retard.
When the Katsuragi team removed the lance from Adam, he wasn't suspended anymore and made angels, he didn't split into angels, the only thing split from him was his soul and that was put in Kaworu.
Who would have guess LCL is SIMILAR TO primiodal ooze, considering Liltih made humans, but she wasn't bleeding for eternity since she wasn't sealed until after 2nd impact.
You clearly don't know shit, fuck off.
NGE+EOE doesn't need NGE2 lore to be one solid self sufficent stroy. NGE2 reveals what Lilith and so on are but it's not like these ansvers are really necessary.
And you're missing Reifag's point.
If tomorrow Shinji marries Q it's not what i want.
We are interested in Rei's character QUALITY, not quantity. 2.22 kinda tries but fails to deliver. We get lots of weak and boring Rei - UNSATISFYING. while 3.33 outright shits on her.
Is it too hard to understand?
We're not here for LRS, we're not here for screentime.
We want Amazing Ayanami Rei to be cool, spooky, misterious, and wonderful like she was in NGE.
Are we asking for unfair treatment?
Rebuild makes it clear that Evangelion is now all about Kabbalah lore and reincarnation cycles.
Rebuild itself could be the last "world" of the endless reincarnation cycles [spoilers]lol who am I kidding, Anno will continue to beat his cashcow like a dead horse until the man himself is dying.[/spoiler]
Are you so simply to think that anything you said was actually contradictory to what I said?
You are literally too stupid to understand the underlying point of Eva and why it's necessary to speak of it as splitting, that is all that is happening here and you continue to bring up details that I don't disagree with.
You can spout notes if you want, let me know when you want to do analysis.
>The request of a Gainax producer
>On the self-funded Khara
The most we can assume from Tsurumaki's comment is that it was suggested that they should add a new pilot, everything after that, from the approval of the suggestion and the entire creation of Mari is under the hands of Anno and the rest of the writers and designers.
If you want to see more of the Rei as you know her, the cool, spooky, misterious, then watch NGE. Anno has no obligations to yield the whims of an obsessive fanbase with the Rebuilds.
not him but
His favorite character is Asuka according to himself, who has been pandered maximally, having being rewritten from her original self to a fantasy waifu with no flaws besides what can be said to be her tsundere personality.
Misato, Gendo are all treated relatively well. Gendo is smarter, Misato is stronger.
There is also Kaworu that he likes.
>Are you implying it wasn't always canon?
That would be what he is implying, Kawoshin in the original was something that never happened as strongly as it did in NGE. NGE had several episodes of other types of *-shin*, while in Rebuild it's been pushed up to ridiculous levels.
Going from one episode among 26 to a full 1/4th qualifies as extreme pushing.
>It's like people here weren't pre-2004 evafags so they didn't know how convoluted the lore really was until wikis and NGE 2 translations made it a cakewalk for them.
Speaking to one of them here. It was not convoluted, it was fairly straight forward with an open backstory/universe. The characters are detailed, the plot is detailed, it is not even close to the level of having a 14-year long timeskip in the middle of the series.
>Rei is not be-all-end-all of Evangelion.
I don't think he meant to say that she is, but clearly Rei has been downplayed, mistreated and abandoned.
Plus you're being just stupid about this whole thing. Rei wasn't around Shinji 24/7 in the original, or any other work. Nor is it a requirement for her character to work. You sound like a Kaworufag who doesn't understand that these characters are more than shipping pieces, and don't be like that.
You can't possibly defend shitting on Rei like this. See >>110803406
>but Reifags need to stop believing that their character is some god-tier special snowflake who should have the plot center around her and Shinji 24/7.
She indeed is.
Ayanami Rei > Shinji
Ayanami Rei > Evangelion
She naturally came out being better than everyone and everything else. That's why she's pretty much a special character for anime industry itsef and a cameo of Evangelion.
The only opinions worthy of true Eva fans:
>NGE is the truth and a self contained masterpiece.
>EoE is horrible filler.
>Rebuild is irrelevant pandering.
>random hack shit writing asspull ending where the current Rei clone gets the memories of her former iterations and remembers falling in love with Shinji
>His favorite character is Asuka according to himself, who has been pandered maximally, having being rewritten from her original self to a fantasy waifu with no flaws besides what can be said to be her tsundere personality.
And I hate Anno for that.
He erased everything what made her so sympathetic
"If you don't like it, don't watch it", is that it? Not even that guy, but that's a seriously poor argument.
You're basically enabling poor characters to exist for shallow, pandering related reasons.
>mfw Reifags are THIS delusional
>mfw Rei is getting BTFO in rebuilds
YES YES YES YES
Someone who's not retarded.
You can have you lesbian cat-pirate if you like it. Have entire homosexual franchise.
The only merit of quality is quality of Rei.
An anime without a good Rei in it is not worth shit by definition.
>Rei is not be-all-end-all of Evangelion.
>Mari I can understand, since she merely exists from the forced requests of a Gainax producer, but Reifags need to stop believing that their character is some god-tier special snowflake who should have the plot center around her and Shinji 24/7.
Be objective here for a moment. Nobody is claiming that Rei is the end-all-be-all, but for a character that is supposedly not a god-tier special snowflake, Rebuild is sure spending a shitload of time on the character and plot events that relate directly to the character. Even if Rei isn't there as a character in 3.33, her lack of presence still really shapes the plot and even reactions/dialogue of the other characters. In 1.11/2.22 she's there and relevant in a present manner.
What Anon (and everyone else who's not out to simply defend 3.33) says is that Rebuild has taken Rei and spent more time writing down the character than actually developing it. So we have more time saying that Rei is lesser than the original, than we have Rebuild making new good characterization.
That is to me a huge problem, and for any other Evangelion fan who desires Evangelion to be as good as possible, also a huge problem.
>It began when the director told me, "It's not that she doesn't have emotion, but that she doesn't know what it is." His technical request was that I should read my lines as flat as possible. But she's obviously not a machine; she's a human being, flesh and blood." It's a huge difference between "not having emotion" and "not knowing emotion." After all, she could develop feelings, once she learned..." Quote from Megumi Hayashibara, in her "What I learned from meeting a girl who didn't know", 1996. Translated in Neon Genesis Evangelion, volume 3
>No; Rei's beauty comes from the truth that she has feelings. When she cried, it meant the waters of the pool were coming out at last. The struggle to draw your feelings forth, the reconciliation between your surface and your death - that, I believe, is where we truly become alive, truly become human begins." Hayashibara, "What I learned from meeting a girl who didn't know." Ibid
Get back to you Asukahive with this stupid idea.
Ayanami Rei was made to be an awesome character with no second thoughts.
But it's bait with a point, even if it's not intended.
Evangelion cannot be allowed to have a character take more focus than another for the sake of pandering. Every character should be developed with attention to what would make them represent themselves as good as possible, so that each and every one character can be said to adhere to a certain standard of quality.
When Rebuild intentionally shits on some characters and glorifies others, the idea that Rebuild is anything but pandering garbage has been broken.
>His favorite character is Asuka according to himself,
>taking that "I like her because she's cute" trolling response seriously.
She does like her, but I doubt she's his favorite. There's higher chances that Misato and Kaworu are his real favorites. Asuka is definitely Tsurumaki's favorite however.
Anon, you have nothing to say.
Anno said it. No matter how much you speculate that he was "EPIC TROLING XD", you can't deny what he said.
Anno likes cute characters. He likes characters like Asuka, his favorite Nausicaa character being Kushana, and Asuka's entire backstory is based on Kushana, almost word for word.
Tsurumaki might like Asuka too, but that's only adding to the potential bias Rebuild has in portraying it's character.
I'm not denying that Rei was a real and complicated character but the aspects of her persona that appeal to waifufags were exaggerated and she is intrinsically a person with no content(birthed a clone, has no idea about anything - the fact that she has the capacity for emotion is irrelevant to the fact that she doesn't emote and function like a real human being), which is what makes it so revolting that people waifu her and this was supposed to be evident but nope people like you are just stupid and disgusting.
The way I imagine it that would just be the denouement specific to Shinji's character and his emotional needs, not the actual ending in all of its entirety.
Fuck Anno for turning me into a shipfag, anyway. I've never shipped before and couldn't have cared less about eva shipping until I watched 2.22 and saw how much Shinji had changed at the ending.
>A poor tragic character
>nice girl neck deep in misery
>great person that cares about other even when she's not good at talking to people
>so much deserving of love and care
Well, they've made a perfect waifu.
If they wanted to demonize waifuism or anything they failed miserably.
Rei neing poor and hurt only makes people want to care about her mor and gives them deep emotins about her.
Her strength impresses to the depths of hearts
Her kindness moves everyone.
Now what's bad or unlikable about her?
>Reifags need to stop believing that their character is some god-tier special snowflake
It's not Reifags that believe it, it's basically anime history. Rei IS a special snowflake, she became Evangelion's most popular character and not just that, one of anime's most popular characters period.
Historians credit Rei with facilitating an enormous change in the industry of anime and even merchandising, having popularized her own traits to the point where they were deliberately (and obviously) being copied into other anime.
But guess what? Anno probably hates it. Not because he's objecting to the loads of money he's getting from it or that he thinks this kind of practice is wrong, but probably because a character he doesn't particularly enjoy or feel for is at the very least twice as popular as his own self-proclaimed favorite. It's not his favorite character that becomes the poster-girl, it's Rei.
Now if Anno is even just half as petty, self-loathing and otaku as he describes himself as, he's going to hate it. YES, HE HATES IT!
That's why it's extremely suspicious that everything Rei did that was unique, cool or awesome back then is almost never touched upon again or expanded on, and there are no signs of effort as far as writing or even portraying the character goes in his new works.
When you spend more time on playing down a character you don't care for than you do developing the ones you actually like, there is a serious problem. This has officially with 3.33 crossed the border into being little more than anime otaku politics.
Regardless of what party you're voting for, we can all recognize this is absolutely terrible.
You're shit. Get out.
Fucking cancer of Rei's fanbase.
You probably are too new to remember.
Before Rebuilds and ANIMA and other shit Asuka was hardly any popular at all, while Rei was topping entire industry for years. Many today's figure manufactorers STARTED BUSINESS from making Rei figures. Many major companies have Rei as their very first figure.
Rei was not #1 EVA girl, she was #1 Anime girl for prolonged period of time. She was more popular than EVA itself.
Many seriously consider her to be the sourse of NGE's success.
And it's more than obvious to see that since then Anno and everione else were only working on making her less popular.
Nothing is wrong with Rei in of herself and that's not the argument or point so don't ask that question.
What is appealing to reifags about Rei however is the crux of this all. Reifags like Rei because she expresses no desire and she can not judge them, this is completely inhuman.
Did you not pay attention to the ep25? Instrumentality for Rei was not even psychological but metaphysical, she wanted to die in order to, because her soul is Lilith, return to herself(Lilith), this being her only motivation and the reason she trusts in and works with Gendo(he's working to bring upon third impact in a way beneficial to Lilith).
All other aspects of Rei's person are almost non-existent, simply fashioned by the gaze of other people(her relation as a tool for them). The single fact that she is biologically female without being a person is what Reifags are after, this is what is disgusting. Anno is telling you that you can't deal with real women and you're eating it up none the wiser.
If Rei's better, how come Shinji never masturbated to her while she was comatose?
Nonono. That is absolute rubbish and equivalent of you misunderstanding the entire character.
Rei functions EXACTLY like a human being exposed to life the way she has been. Take a child, deprive it of it's parents or any concept of it before it is born, neglect it and treat it like a research object, teach it that it is replaceable and prove to the child that it is true, show it that it is unable to escape it's fate and there you have it:
One human being equivalent to Rei Ayanami in her incapability of emoting or expressing herself. Google and read up on "feral children" for a quick understanding of the behavior children exhibit when put in and raised under such conditions.
Children are extremely vulnerable, and you take for granted that you were raised in something resembling a family and were guided.
The point is that Rei has every capacity of emotion, feelings and function like you do, but unlike you, she was never encultured or raised to communicate it. She gets by through learning herself, slowly but surely. Because even you without the moral guidance and love from parents, you'd be little more than a wild beast.
Then the idea that Rei has aspects that appeal to "waifufags" as a matter of intention in NGE is ridiculous, because characters like Rei were not common or even desirable before Rei made her entry. That's how Rei gets named a trope-starter, because she starts and introduces the idea that "yes, unemotive characters can be attractive and interesting too", simply by being an excellent example of one.
This is the scene where Asuka had lost her person hood and followed right after Shinji masturbates to her. Do you see what is happening? Asuka is a doll right now, not conscious and this is what Shinji does; absolutely pathetic.
If you can't see this as criticising otaku then seriously you have no idea what happened in EoE.
>Reifags like Rei because she expresses no desire and she can not judge them, this is completely inhuman.
Not him but that is so obviously wrong and stupid I doubt you even thought about before you wrote it.
Rei judges people in the show, she expresses desire and goes against other's desire, all of which is perfectly human. We know this, you know this, and Reifags know this.
In fact people find it bad that Rei doesn't express herself, and get all giddy and
poka-pokawhenever she does, because that is viewed as progress.
>Did you not pay attention to the ep25?
Did you? Rei never has an instrumentality scene. She has a scene of pure self-introspection unaided by the phenomenon known as "instrumentality", hers takes place before she herself activates instrumentality.
I'm reading the rest of your post and it's very clear that you're not analyzing either the character or it's fans, as much as you're trying to make out a poisonous image of them.
First of all, Rei is a person by every definition of the word. Saying otherwise is little more than an insult to her character.
Secondly, she is not fashioned by the gaze of other people but as you yourself point out earlier, she has a complex character with several dilemmas and points where she learns and develops.
Thirdly, you have proof that you're wrong. The second Rei is reduced to a non-person like you suggest she is, Reifags nearly universally revolt in anger at the perceived destruction of their favorite.
Everything about the character, the franchise, the fans point in the exact opposite direction of what you're suggesting. How can you defend your view beyond being anything more than simple slights?
It's also alarming that you automatically assume a Reifag is fashioning himself/herself as romantically involved with a character, rather than just being a fag, or fan as it's better named. That sounds like projecting from a person who does.
>The single fact that she is biologically female without being a person is what Reifags are after
Are you telling me what I like her for? Really?
Rei is a calm cold-headed girl that thinks before acting. She cares about people. She likes Reading. She's a thinker, phylosofer.
She has no less personality than Asuka does, if not more.
Being always calm, distant, and thinking - is peronality.
And I don't see there anything sinful in liking that.
NGE Rei was not a fansrvice sweetie, she was a nice but harhs, cold and aloof girl.
What you are talking about is at worst equally and normally even more applicable to other characters in the Evangelion franchise.
Applying it to Rei would only mean you're out to divert attention from something else.
I agree with you. I just don't fucking care anymore. This is all basically fucking 100% copypasta and you should have gotten over it already at this point, it's ridiculous. I wonder how many hundreds more Eva threads you guys are going to shit up with the exact same fucking discussion and posts every single time about this rebuild shit.
inb4 "Well anno made eva shit so it's his fault I'm going to do this shit" excuse that I've seen countless times before.
It's literally the same faggot that's being going around in every thread that so much as mentions Rei and uses them as a personal soapbox for his "insightful" commentary.
>Rei is a person
>Rei didn't undergo instrumentality
Figure out a consistent view point.
Don't lie to yourself with simple post-hoc justification.
If you want to make a distinction between Rei the person in social space and Rei the thing that houses Lilith, that would be helpful.
What seems to be the problem here?
You say you see the same discussion and points being made, points that you can't argue against since they're documented historical facts, and yet you still take up a contrary position?
Why are you even bothering? Haven't you ever considered that the reason you keep seeing these same things brought up in discussion, is because you actually facilitate the need for them to being brought up?
If you're going to pretend history didn't happen, you asked for this.
>kill her off
>character development she had is now pointless as fuck
I'm mad, yeah. I feel like I've been given Urobutcher-style treatment.
The ending of 2.22 was fucking beautiful because of how poignantly it was able to tie up a lot of character development. It illustrated how Shinji lost his cowardice, went from hating interpersonal relationships to trying to reach out to Rei, and finally did something for a purpose from his own self-agency as opposed to being ordered to do so, like a person coming out of depression. The Shinji at the end of 2.22 is the Shinji at the end of the original series, because they've made the same important self-realizations and are both self-actualized.
Meanwhile Rei was the closest to being like a real human she ever was in that series up to that point. You could argue she allowed Shinji to bypass her AT field. Wanting to be saved distinguishes you from being a mindless clone or tool, because that means you acknowledge you have worth as a human being. Compare the now-meaningful emotional-physical contact she has with Shinji in that scene from the physical contact they have when Shinji pulls a harem-MC titgrab on her. It's a book-ends type deal illustrating how they've both changed.
And then Anno shits on everything by killing off Rei and having all of the side characters that aren't Kaworu take a shit on Shinji. Thanks, Anno.
>And it's more than obvious to see that since then Anno and everione else were only working on making her less popular.
Nowhere in any fucking interview has he ever stated the equivalent or likewise. The that Anno was intentionally
>reifags btfo :^)
doesn't hold a lot of water when you consider that so much effort was put into gradually giving Rei humanity. If he'd really wanted to take a dump on Rei's fandom he'd satirize her in some other way, not put a shitload of effort into making her sympathizable and her struggle poignant.
Rei is still a character in his show, he seeks to develop her into a person but it never comes to fruition and when they reveal she's a clone and completely destroy her that is:
>. If he'd really wanted to take a dump on Rei's fandom he'd satirize her in some other way
Just stop being so delusional reifags.
There's nothing inconsistent about my post.
In episode 25 that you referred to, Rei begins her introspective scenes at the 7min mark. In these scenes, we detail Rei's characters and her worries, as well as her resolution.
After that, instrumentality begins right before the 10minute mark.
This means that Rei's introspective scenes were before and thus outside instrumentality. From this point on, like in EoE, Rei takes on the guiding hand role.
She gets nothing COOL.
Her EVA got repainted ugly, she handed over her spear to Asuka (spear used to belong to Rei). She gets no cool or star moments.
NGE Rei was showing them all the way in Blackout episode, was showing Asuka how to dance, Rei was telling Asuka off when Shinji sunk into shadow and had interesting dialogues, was giving comments from time to time.
They thoroughly removed everything from her.
Never liked Evangelion I think it's stupid. Nothing is clearly explained. Maybe it's popular because it makes people think. Most of them do not completely understand what the fuck was going on. So they speculate, attach meanings to every fucking scene while the makers didn't intend to make it that deep philosophically. To me, at least, it's just a bunch of meaningless actions and drama.
>Rei is still a character in his show, he seeks to develop her into a person but it never comes to fruition and when they reveal she's a clone and completely destroy her that is:
Yeah but here's the mistake, Rei is a person from the very first episode, and she gets developed into fruition.
Revealing she is a clone doesn't destroy what Rei is, it's a pretty important part of her characterization.
In 3.33 he's not trying. Wish you'd see that instead of prolonging an unwinnable argument on your part.
This is an acceptable opinion but no matter what you think about it Eva is obviously trying to be more than that.
Anno wants to create thoughtful anime, he hates stupid stuff. >>110804749
Still though I think it's heavily philosophical like not many visual media is, anime or not.
It's not good to have that high expectations, but Rei is exceptionally low compared to the original.
>Anno wants to create thoughtful anime, he hates stupid stuff.
That doesn't explain his unquenchable thirst for stupid stuff though. Everything from Ultraman to Strike Witches are things that he's fan of, arguably "stupid stuff" that airs on the TV.
I only got it out of my backlog a few weeks ago.
>stop being so delusional reifags
Not my waifu, but my favorite character after Shinji. Their relationship is fascinating.
As for your other point, I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Yes, she does get a bad end, but it could also be seen as tragic because of her characterization, not in spite of it. >>110807529
does a decent job of explaining it too.
True enough, but they did have to cut some stuff after all I suppose. And the way 2.22 ended was enough consolation for me.
Most things in Eva are clearly explained through the dialogue. In fact, for some reason, some of the parts which gets the most people angry over how "confusing" they are, are the most straightforward ones in how they outright explain things in plain words. Maybe you should rewatch it.
I'm not >>110807065
but unless I misunderstood what you two were saying, you can't ignore Rebuild.
Even if we just limit ourself to the original and forget EoE as "filler", Rei and Shinji are the only two characters that come to fruition by the end of the anime.
Shinji goes through his breakdown and complementation and finds the resolution to improve on himself and love himself.
Rei goes through her development as Rei III and reconsiders the situation, gives us an answer to her existentialist crisis but not without finding the problems, and activates instrumentality so Shinji can be complemented.
What might you be talking about?
Yeah this I don't understand about the fanbase. Episodes 25 and 26 are down right didactic, you're basically given a lecture on what the show is about.
Whether you can accept it or not is what separates true fans from the rabble imo.
I think >>110807318
gets the gist of it if somewhat limited.
But it really should be combined with how other characters are portrayed, which is in a way that fills all the criteria Rei lacks.
I'm not sure if you watched 3.33, but what was in the original for Rei a very well made continuation of the character through Rei III, turned into a mockery that makes Rei out to be a total retard that can hardly string together two sentences.
A stark contrast to the original which is doling out philosophy and monologues like nobody's business.
There's no reason to go this way unless you'd want to make for a less interesting and thus less popular character.
Just my two cents, what he meant could be different.
>The new generation will think this show is a mecha and therefore bad
>The new generation will start by watching the Rebuilds
>The new generation will want Shinji to act like Kirito
>The new generation will call Rei the poorman's Akame.
>The new generation will call Asuka the poorman's Meine.
The question is, what exactly is it that they have to wrap up?
None of the characters have any troubles, character issues or moral/philosophical dilemmas that actually needs to be fixed, save for the universally understandable goal of "happiness" which applies in nearly every story.
The plot is so random and contrived that it can't be wrapped up in any other fashion than how it arrived, in a random and contrived manner.
I don't think it can wrap up anything at all, besides just putting a punctuation at the end of a sentence that makes no sense.
Short answer: lolno
Now I see what you mean. That actually does disappoint me a little and I guess I just didn't notice while I was watching Rebuild, since I've already watched the original and I was filling in the old Rei's characterization subconsciously even though she didn't get any of her coolest perks.
Although if the sequel theory turns out to be true, that provides an interesting opportunity for Anno to keep the old Rei's characterization canon and more than just a spiritual predecessor.
It also provides him with an opportunity to associate the old Rei which was actually good with the new poor Rei.
He's poisoning the well, essentially. Any negative change or rewrite of the setting will now retroactively apply to the original as well.
The original Rei is already canon, by mixing it with the bad Rebuild Rei he's only shitting on the character.
>Rei starts taking an interest in books after Shinji encourages her to read them
>we get to see how the old cool Rei came about
>she starts overcoming her existential crisis again
>same recurrence of Rei that calls back to previous incarnations only this time something dramatic changes and her development is allowed to keep progressing
...aaand it's shit, Rei is ruined, congratulations Anno.
I mean it's just fucking stupid. Rei in Rebuild read books without some stupid shit about Shinji encouraging her to read.
Old cool Rei wasn't as book-focused as Rebuild Rei even, there's less emphasis on it.
All it does is cheapen the original character by forcing some kind of timeloop memory shit.
Welp, I tried. Maybe Anno'll do it better.
Shinji being confident and self-assertive is satisfying and cathartic. Kirito is annoying because he's set out to be this amazing competent self-insert right from the start with the unrealistic expectation that we'll just accept him that way.
>people insist there is a true meaning to the show
>Not realizing EVA is a Biblical show
>Not realizing there are over 9,000 interpretations of EVA
>Make of it what you will
>plebs will be distracted by circuses and argue about anything
>EVA is a religion and opiate of the /a/ masses
Protip: Post moar youtube and argue less
>Post moar youtube and argue less
Have something I made.
Op back again, Im surprised this thread lasted as long as it did.
Anyways, I took all of your guys' advice and just finished EoE.
What.The. Actual. Fuck. I finished episode 26 of the original show mad because I was left confused, but this, I dont even how to feel. I'm so confused about everything. I can't even process what I just watched. There was so much going on. Like. What.
Rei Best Girl
Characterisation was bad, felt rushed throughout and was inconsistent with the tv show, deus ex machina ending and tropes upon tropes. Just a dumbed down version of Eva with more faux shock.
You decide, Kaworu is shallow enough as a character that you can make good arguments for anything really. It's a good ol' case of "bloody fanwank it!".
Fangirls/boys are going to go with what fits their fantasy the most (i.e it's rabu-rabu), the rest it's everything from "angel enemy" to "narrative tool".
Yes, Kaworu loves him. He even tells him point blank in episode 24. In Rebuild, he only wants to make Shinji happy.
He likes the lilin in general, but he's the biggest Shinjifag. Unfortunately for Shinji, he also has no value on his own life to realize dying fucks Shinji up and is that last thing Shinji wants. Though he seemed at least to realize this in Rebuild, that's why he looks sad and comforts him.
Real explanation: Anno switched Adam and made her Lilith at last possible moment and had no fucking clue how to patch the plot hole. Everyone in the staff asked him who the fuck is Lilith and he answered he didn't know. He had a year to EoE to start fanwanking something.
Retcon to patch this mess: NGE 2 explains why when Anno had years to actually put thought in the shit he wrote.
I like rebuild Asuka
But I don't like rebuild
Well I should clarify
I don't think rebuild is as good as NGE
It's fun to watch though
It's more like Rebuild had years of base planning. Not so much for the specifics, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if the overall plot structure was already planned or written out.
>None of the characters have any troubles, character issues or moral/philosophical dilemmas that actually needs to be fixed
3.0 may have fucked things up but this is complete bullshit. The main cast all have character issues or problems that they need to solve, they're just clearly different issues.
I suspect it'll wrap up a good half or so of it, leaving the rest for fans to wank over for years to come.
>Shinji is a bitch
>Asuka yells at Shinji for being a bitch
>Shinji continues being a bitch
>Disco strobe lights superimposed over stock footage of Tokyo rush hour and reruns of Power Rangers
>Shinji goes wind-surfing
>Mari represents the serpent of Eden, which is why her hair is worn in a ponytail and why she is the most heavily sexualized
>The wind-surfing is symbolic of Moses parting the Red Sea
>Asuka represents the Archangel Michael, who barred Adan and Eve from Eden for the the sin of their immorality
>mfw I saw that image before I was going to rewatch everything the second time to get everything
All I had was: individuality and relationships are good, and grow up!
What I got was 'You will never patch things up with your father. So don't bother trying."
What I don't get is why people battle about who is best girl and who wins evanjellums.
I liked Asuka more out of all 3 characters, but I couldn't see NGE without the other 2. They complement each other, have different personalities, weaknesses and motives. The character you like the best comes from your own perception and experience, not because one is better than the other.
Shinji was the most passive, Rei the most transcendental, Asuka the most tragic, that's it, they're all different and good at their own thing.
What I got was no one hates you so feel free to open yourself up to others and do whatever you feel.
>tfw you will never watch the intro for the first time again
The opening theme was the only reason why I stuck with this show
so no one quite gets the scope of things the first time I take it, but everyone does get the vague idea
It wouldn't of happened if she just listen to Asuka and changed the carpet
Nerv isn't a secret organization.
It's backers and Seele are.
What do you guys think of the minor characters like pic related?