Spreadsheet Form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1uZBCoqQ-KpicDNPC4qINL8O0uBW9FymQNg4m6PlliHw/viewform?usp=send_form
Spreadsheet Doc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_I-QQ94x3EDwF7NwWa1xcOsp26wXBRxTIxPQTtiGN6A/edit
Still needing a proper logo.
Daily reminder that Fakku's deal with Wani is based on untenable data and speculative "research" and will be a colossal disaster for both Wani and Jacob.
Of course not. He and Daiz are the ones that killed the panda.
>actually spent time actively grinding hath/credits in HV like a tard
>accrue 300 hath to make the site actually fucking usable with tag flagging (+greasemonkey script to enable thumbnail tagging), lots of thumbnail rows, etc.
>site enacts the Great Anime Shoa
Never forget the 6 million doujins goys.
guys what scanners should i be keeping up with directly to get newer wani stuff
There are a lot of implications that point towards him being the cause of the problem.
Much like there's no proof that Putin supplied the separatists with the weapons to take out M17
Okay so please enlighten me, why haven't anons prepared for the possibility of panda getting either shut down or removing all fap material? I mean, in this day and age I think we should at very least have all the shit from sadpanda preserved on a backup site just in case shitstorm like this emerges.
>Much like there's no proof that Putin supplied the separatists with the weapons to take out M17
Are you really that dense? That plane going down was perfect for US. Connect the dots you brainless twat
I don't use my credits for anything other than hath because there isn't a script to get around tag flagging and thumbnail rows.
I rarely download full galleries, but I guess I am interested in said dl script. Do you have a name?
From what I gathered ShindL didn't know the rights to HIS property were sold to the jews.
Why don't we find out if any of the other artists knew and actually do something to put those faggots in their place.
Drawing pictures of dicks and hoarding porn is nice and all but doesn't really improve the situation. All we need is 1 guy who can write in japanese and a bunch of email adresses.
I have everything that's been taken down that is of interest to me.
My problem is the annoyance of having to track down individual torrents for future releases from ShindoL, Takeda Hiromitsu, Jingrock, ReDrop etc.
The whole point of the penises is because pic related.
Because what is done with your work is of concern to an artist and the artist may not be happy with what`s being done with his work after he passes it off to his publisher, especially if it`s being doing without their knowledge
This involves the artists
>a percentage of sales from Fakku go towards the artists
The artists get absolutely nothing, you fucking idiot.
Hello, I am from Wani'. Please use the easy to remember sadpanda logo I am used to seeing. And please post logins and passwords in the thread so that I can get those sites cancelled.
While I have three other major publishing houses competing, I am not telling them about your piracy thread for now. But if they spot your thread and request the site to remove their products, then that is your fault.
Have a good day and please buy our products. Exercise is good, so remember to walk your dinosaur.
He's the rundown for you:
As you should already know, Fakku and Wani made a deal several months ago when Wani was sending out DMCAs to all major h-manga hubs, including exhentai.
Wani sent out more DMCA to exhentai because they got a hold that they actually hid the galleries through the super sekrit club system. Jacob claims he didn't do a thing, he reported being "shopping for groceries" when all this happened and he wasn't aware of all this.
Tenboro, on the other hand, said the DMCA came from Wani but he thinks it's extremely suspicious that exhentai got hit again, considering all the precautions taken and he has hinted that someone interfered, in other words, he believes Jacob/Fakku has something to do with this.
Summarizing things: there's no proof Jacob took part of this but he's suspicious.
>license hentai doujins and send DMCA takedown notices
>"Oh boy! Now that those doujins are no longer on exhentai, people will spend $30 per volume to buy it from me!"
This is what Jacob actually believes.
But, you know. The poor people with no money, in the end, will lose.
This will not bode well. Nobody will come to a site where people are forced to pay. This is the end of the net as we know it.
>Honestly, most of my manga is done outside of the Wani magazine company, and whatever rights deal for my work with Wani magazine is supposed to come by me, as I technically have exclusive rights to my work.
What the fuck? How is this shit still going down? They don't even have rights to the work.
>School Girls Don't Scare Me! [English] =SFC=
Megalink is down.
ShindoL is notoriously racist and hates westerners. He hates westerners fan-translating his stuff. He would absolutely hate his work being licensed to official western translators and distributed officially to westerners.
Wani magazine artists don`t see a dime of the magazine`s sales and aren`t affected by piracy at all. They`re contracted to produce work and paid through that. Whether or not their work is pirated does not affect them in the slightest.
I recommend using BayFiles to upload since you don't need to use an account to upload and everyone has an upload cap of 5GB per file. Also doesn't have any takedown procedures as far as I know like Mega does.
>Wani magazine artists don`t see a dime of the magazine`s sales and aren`t affected by piracy at all. They`re contracted to produce work and paid through that. Whether or not their work is pirated does not affect them in the slightest.
How do you know this?
The funding for actual doujins should be more like the way the site works. Actual commissions should be more like bounties, with anyone being able to contribute to the pool, while the existing galleries get people popular enough to be crowd-funded. The closer we get to reducing the need for copyright the better.
Would it all work out if people stopped putting it in the title?
Seriously, does all that shit really need to be said
Just upload it as Title and Artist and language
Comiket 87 Assblasters ENG Shotascans uncensored ZOMG
Here's an X-Eros that still works
And the updated version doesn't say x-eros.
Do you guys know any other alternative websites to use? I usually use Pururin but it seems that has removed galleries as well. Just exactly how wide scale is this? Do all alternative websites have lesser hentai than fakku now?
The fucker was really trying to kill the panda!
You could try
also maybe edit them slightly
When someone posts a picture I wanted to post, I just add like a tiny black dot, or cut like 2px worth of dimensions out and then it lets me post it.
Are you really going to pay $30 for a 16-page untranslated vanilla doujin? Not even if the ink was made of human blood with gold laced inside it would something be worth $2 per page.
We're talking about practically everyone from Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, etc.
Add in the fact that postage and customs means that you're fucked if you want to order stuff outside of the US and that's most of the planet outside of Japan that's fucked.
Unless you're Chinese because they don't give a fuck and probably have it all still up.
These people are really fucking dumb if they seriously think people are gonna pay for doujins.
I wouldn't pay to jack off for 5-10 minutes. nor would you. nor would anyone.
This is the stupidiest fucking idea ever.
I know this isn't completely related but
>LolitaChannel CG previews for C86 come out
>Watermarked all to Hell
>White box censoring like this:
Why do this.
Why the fuck would anyone do this.
>Trusting Daiz after he gave creative criticism to Crunchy Roll and basically ratted out fansubs to them.
The only way Daiz won't be a faggot is if he comes through like lightning for the KlK ova.
And shipping costs out of the US are huge; not to mention obscenity laws, laws against depicting certain types of sexual activity (no incest, BDSM, bestiality, loli, etc) that carry huge RL penalties.
Parody Law. They can't do anything.
Now if only someone would actually buy them and not have it take half a year to a year for them to reach the net (If ever - Some only exist with full censorship because DLSite makes them mosaic everything)
They already made CP illegal there, it's only a matter of time until loli is illegal as well.
>Born in New York
And a Jap Jew huh, interesting.
Guess its still more American than California
That doesn`t matter. You can`t legally move porn across the canadian border. We have laws against pretty much anything pornographic being traded internationally and customs has the right to seize any material of a graphic sexual or morally questionable nature.
Even non-h normalfag comicbooks get shat on for depicting things like crime and police death.
Some governments believe they have the right to dictate and enforce sexual morality, which leaves us perverts with only the internet as recourse. "official channels" are not an option
I've been thinking about picking up some new hobbies, who knew this is what would ultimately make me move on?
It's been fun /a/, but this is where it ends.
Someone kill Jacob, he must be stopped
The difference is that no one is going to go after a sad nerd fapping/schlicking to Japanese cartoon porn unless they want to get him or her for something else.
HOWEVER, if they get a package with Japanese cartoon porn in their hands, they HAVE to do something about it.
The NSA just keeps tabs on you so if you get in politics or something they can blackmail you. HMCR will send the Filth around if you order a loli manga.
at least retro vydia has been archived and is easy to download for everyone unlike hentai which has only been archived on heavily centralized platform like e-hentai
speaking of which isn't there a private tracker specialized in hentai stuff ?
>Thinking anyone here goes out of their way to post a reaction image
I get it you're new, but here using anime reaction images is the norm
Then they don't give two fucks about the average guy. They are trying to attract the few guys who would pay, they lose literally nothing if 90% of the doujins readers stop doing so because it is no longer free.
>The lolicaust will come by 2020
Now that the Limp Icks are coming to Tokyo the government is going to try and sweep all our porn under the rug like a 13-year old desperately stuffing his porn under the bed after his parents came home early.
This is the end.
>The NSA just keeps tabs on you so if you get in politics or something they can blackmail you
I cant wait til the generation who grew up with the internet widely available starts moving into positions of power and all their embarrassing shit is brought back
People do not like having their domains seized by ICE or otherwise given legal hassle by the US federal government.
Has the the Great Ero Shoa effected HCG/VN rips or just manga?
Wani sent the C&D's but it's pretty fucking obvious Jacob pressed them to do it. Unfortunately there is no solid proof of this so he gets away with and gets to keep his image clean by having others do his dirty work. He handled it like a true Jew.
You guys work way too fast for me to keep up with.
I guess those 200 torrents, countless DDLs and that almost sorta started spreadsheet in excel were for nothing then.
Though I have to say that it's good to see you act for once, yesterday's apathy is gone by now it seems.
Also from the sound of things Wani has started issuing takedown notices to all works from their artists, not just the ones they publish, but also self published and works published in other magazines. Can anyone confirm or deny?
It's also so easy to other people.
Anyway, the puritans are in power; see Europe. Almost every country there had pretty much officially banned everything but vanilla loving sex. It's just that it's not enforced.
The point is that it's a better model. Your money goes directly to the creation of the material you want and can be spread as widely or narrowly as you desire, instead of being used to get past restrictions on specific existing material. Commissioning is the way things should work in the internet age, there is no need to be held back by old material restrictions and property laws and culture should adapt to suit. If recent history has shown us anything, it's that the way porn is funded dictates viable models of distribution for other productions. The more people get used to crowd-funding communities being a primary means of payment and income, the better for everyone. Otherwise it's still up to people to simply be ethical enough to pay for things they could download for free anyway.
Well, the very first time the NSA 'leaks' someone's private porn dossier in an attempt to discredit them will be the very last time the NSA ever does anything as an organization. They're already treading thin ice with public outcry over all of their leaks, and they are nowhere near competent enough to spread private information without it being traced back to them. Nobody likes the idea of the NSA watching them and as soon as they abuse the privilege it'll get taken away when they're swept up in the moral panic. The only reason they aren't already public enemy #1 is that they haven't done anything stupid enough yet.
I dunno, I'm reading up on it right now and it just seems like legal wrangling over copyrights and bullshit.
I guess you could ignore it until they start getting lawyers involved, but at that point things could get ridiculous.
Except NONE OF THE MONEY IS GOING TO THE ARTISTS.
A lot of them were working on commission or paid up front for their work. Wani has already received all the dosh they're getting for this deal. FAKKU pockets the rest.
Maybe, JUST MAYBE, an artist will get about 500 yen or so if they're lucky if FAKKU sell hundreds of thousands of copies as a 'thank you' from Wani.
>Also from the sound of things Wani has started issuing takedown notices to all works from their artists, not just the ones they publish, but also self published and works published in other magazines.
Where did you hear/read this?
Most anime and manga related DMCAs are all thinly veiled threats. Though if you're hosting questionable content, you should not be hosted in the states in the first place.
Just saying America... how many people just get shot in your country on a day to day basis?
Maybe he can just get unlucky, you know? A couple of basketball americans looking for some iphone with a Jennings in their pocket...
Then a newspaper gets a flash drive from a 'concerned member of his staff' and he's voted out of office. Or even charged with shit depending on how the laws are then. Even if he stays out of jail, he's going to be known as 'That guy who jerks it to kiddy porn.'
The turning point was when he said he had been talking with Jacob because "he wanted things to be done properly".
If at least he would have reported it, I genuinely feel betrayed.
Because shit like this always traces back to the source. The NSA has had countless leaks in the past. Hell, they had an entire training document leaked last year that implicated their co-operation in some british controversy.
Also remember that while the internet generation is moving into positions of power, it will also be moving into internships and beyond in organizations like the NSA. Within a decade we'll start seeing documents leaked onto reddit and tumblr from upset iterns
Can someone fix the Exhen.madokami interface?
So far it's kinda annoying to browse and view porn on the site. No zoom option, no autopager, and annoying, clunky controls.
Otherwise, Great. Looks much better than sadpanda.
I'm asking you that.
From what I can tell, a DMCA doesn't have much power by itself, but I'm no legal professional
at least not yet, and I'm not studying American law eitherso I can't say for certain.
Implications. In the 4dawgs post they sort of hinted towards that. I quote:
>In the past few days I got an email from Wani stating that anything featuring their artists has to be removed.
Knowing that these guys host a lot of doujins that aren't from Wani's published works, but from their artists' solo works fuels my suspicion.
Also while we're on that subject, what will become of YQII translated works? They're affiliated with FAKKU is my memory serves me right.
>newspaper headline reveals politicians secret sex life
>people realize the government is keeping tabs on their secret sex lives
And this is how moral panics start. One guy might be out of a career, but the whole NSA will be out a career once people start freaking out. Anybody willing to implicate or leak the information to screw over Mr Pervert will be more than happy to leak the connection to the NSA. Money flows both ways, which is why it's so hard to prevent information leaks for anything that isn't an issue of patriotism
>convenient and high quality
Both of those were solely because of the sheer amount of content it hosted; the site itself was shit, and run by faggots to boot. Not that what's happening now is great, but ultimately, sadpanda's demise is for the better.
They don't need you to go pester them for scans. In the past, people who buy and scan even had angry "fans" threaten them. So to avoid selfish angry retributive people, scanners just associate with scanlators, ftp sites, and distro. Most of the people who are active have access or can easily get access to distro, so it's not a problem.
>why haven't anons prepared for the possibility of panda getting either shut down or removing all fap material?
Some of us have but people like you called us "Tinfoil Hatters" or "Paranoid". However, many of those gigabytes you see are from our private stockpiles or copied from distro or ftp. I've been saving all non-loli english translated manga/doujins for years plus many various selected japanese-only raws for many years (almost from the start of the new g.e-hentai). Why raws? It's because their quality is higher in many cases than the much smaller english versions.
They are still up. I have some credits laying around, I'll see what I can do.
I'm trying to figure out how much power a DMCA has, both by itself and how it can be enforced if someone chooses to ignore it.
I can't figure out why sadpanda has removed so many galleries when there's a possibility that a DMCA may not even affect them.
I have no idea why "Sadpanda" or whatever that site is would comply. Sounds like an overreaction on their part! If they say no, nothing would happen.
>NONE OF THE MONEY IS GOING TO THE ARTISTS
Right, which is why I'm not saying we should just continue on as things are and use existing payment models. The whole thing should be based on systems where the bulk of people's money goes directly to working artists creating new work, to then be released openly to everyone. This is the way most art and entertainment should work nowadays.
>ShindoL hates westerners
THE DUDE FUCKING ANSWER TWIT QUESTIONS IN ENGLISH IF YOU WANT
You can even email him, he answers, /a/ sent 2 emails to him already, about the four leaf lover h-manga and its sequel, he answered both, and recently this also happened
He also gives no shit about fran translating his works, or getting them officially translated and sold
You know, if you hosted this content in a country like Romania, copyright laws would not matter, as the DMCA is not effective on Romanian webhosts.
Someone should set up a host and openly steal from these cretins.
u18chan does this with Hardblush content, openly hosting the content without any threat from takedown.
Something else will appear, in time. Maybe a site run by someone who actually cares and wants to create a good experience for their users? I mean, this all sucks right now, but we should be mourning the loss of content, not of sadpanda itself.
>No credits left
>torrents are slow as fuck, if even available
>Can't find the e-hentai grabber script because the only site it was on is gone
Downloading galleries image by image. So slow, but still works.
>but people like you called us "Tinfoil Hatters" or "Paranoid"
I saved a lot of shit on my external HDDs and hence my question. Might want to stop assuming everyone is your enemy if you don't want people to think you're paranoid, anon.
That traitor Jacob showed them the way into the panda, didn't he?
Fuck, it's the loli purge all over again. The panda will be turning into a fucking mole this time with how deep underground it will have to go.
Actually, the FBI loves easy targets more than difficult targets.
If you were a FBI agent, which would be more preferable to take down and raid?
A drug cartel plantation with armed cartel members or some server hosting 2D porn that you wouldn't need to use a bullet to take down?
It is human nature to seek the easy not the hard.
The power difference between a manga publisher and some random h manga publisher is huge. It costs a lot of resources to sue someone overseas. Doubt it's worth it for this WANI thing to sue exhentai.
tfw when 3 full external HDs full of H manga/Doujins game CGs I obsessively saved between 2009-2013
I have more then I could ever possibly read in what little is left of my life time.
Bring on the porn apocalypse, i'm fully prepared.
Time to start collecting
dolls. Next best thing right?
There's more than enough japanese visiting 4chan's /a/ to notice the sadpanda threads and read them to see that Wani is being lied to via the sekret club system. I can only imagine japanese fans getting angry at being fooled and telling Wani about it.
The real problem is all these daily sadpanda threads advertising the sekret club and how to get in. What if the OTHER japanese publishers do the same as Wani? We should learn from mistakes and not publicize e-hentai with those sadpanda threads.
Yes. Why haven't you killed yourself yet?
>Implying I'm defending that ponyfucker bastard
Realistically it would be stupid, considering their page isn't in the US, if he does he will lose money and I will laugh my ass off.
Wani already did something similar in the past with a chinesse site who hosted their works in the past, plus they have the resources to create this kind of drama and they only needed someone to point a place to do it again.
You need to remember what happened to megaupload with all the copyright bullshit.
It's the principle. Of course I could afford to buy everything I fap to. But I'm not going to. I will happiliy torrent every single thing Fakku puts out there though.
That's because apart from you sites either comply to C&Ds or don't live long enough to get seized.
Baka/mangaupdates gets shittier every year, fansub groups are dying left and right.
>the FBI loves easy targets
Yeah. They love to tell the press that they took down a server hosting pictures of chinese cartoon porn, instead of attacking the drug cartel.
People would love to see their tax dollars hard at work.
The FBI fucks with people because they simply like to fuck with people. Simple as that. They know cartoon porn isn't a crime, but they get paid either way. They don't give a shit about real crime or justice.
>yfw all this wouldn't have happened if /a/ didn't have daily sadpanda threads
Most of the time they comply. Even fucking Nyaa removed every single JAST US version of Steins;Gate for the first month after the release and after that they kept it hidden on fucking sukebi until recently.
But it was in the direction to become as big as megaupload.
Maybe they should have waited more time to have more proof and here is where Fakku not only Wani doing pressure with the copyrights makes more sense.
I'm already uploading but I have a shitty uploading speed so it will take a while, I'll post the link when it's done but you should be checking sad panda threads if for whatever reason this thread dies or gets deleted.
Nyaa gets a lot of DMCAs (sup FUNimation). I'm pretty sure they removed the JAST US one due to friendship or acquaintanceship or something.
One makes hundreds of millions of dollars. The other makes like what? I don't even know. I can't believe you even compared them.
>sending kike shills to /pol/
We can deal with normal people, hah it actually makes us stronger cause they get converted for our cause but kikes don't give a shit about logic and reason so they only continue to shit up this place.
it's not just matieral hosted or sold by fakku it's also any thing made by the artists and not hosted by fakku or distributed.
then you get into language translations (which fakku will sell unbeknownst to the translators) so there are those various language conversions inflating the numbers
There were 295,000 galleries yesterday
>You need to remember what happened to megaupload with all the copyright bullshit.
Megaupload got fucked over because they were essentially getting paid for hosting copyrighted material they didn't have the rights to through advertising. It's not really comparable to sad panda.
>they removed the JAST US one due to friendship or acquaintanceship or something
According to Daiz they didn't remove it at all. Even though I had 3 different torrents removed and ended up getting my IP range banned. He still won't admit that a single Steins;Gate torrent was removed and refuses to lift my ban.
b) The numbers mean jack, removed galleries are still included in the count even though they're not visible
This image was posted on June (it's from the archive) and it included galleries in the sekrit club.
Right now I can see 415,879 galleries, so draw your own conclusions
There aren't even a tenth of that many wani affiliated works.
Are you sure you're not just blocking stuff?
Because I'm blocking everything that isn't Jap, Ch, or Eng and I'm still getting 270k.
And now I'm not blocking anything at all and I get 330k.
Anyone else legitimately find the left image better looking apart from the censors? Maybe I'm just used to it but the "accurate" version seems too red honestly.
These are my current settings and I still have more than you do.
I am blocking more than you claim to as well.
Congratulations on completely missing the point
I just wanted to say thank you to people that leaped into action to start archiving galleries that were lost. I always tried to download but some things I was lazy about for whatever reason. Everything I would have missed is already reuploaded somewhere.
through dick, unity
>Wait, so why are people afraid of DMCAs in the first place?
Hmm, this is 4chan, the land of sloppy word usage. If by "dmca" you are referring to C&D, then that is the polite request approach. An actual DMCA would occur if the complaint was filed in court which they can choose to do instead of being polite with you.
A DMCA adds to your criminal record. If your record doesn't matter to you, your employer, future spouse, community embarassment, or affect your business ratings, then more power to you. Many employment applications including mine come with a security form. That DMCA would have to be listed there in the criminal violations section. Being a convicted criminal might not seem bad to you, but it does reduce some of your civil liberties. You can lose a scholarship for that. In fact, it is the law here that felons cannot get certain types of scholarships.
Picture related to those downloading files and storing them on hard drives. I have no idea of the reliability of writeable bluray storage media.
Nothing digital ever really "goes away"; it just reverts to IRC & Newsgroups. All these cease & desist letters really do is piss off perspective customers and leave those same customers without a convenient way of sampling the product before they decide if they wish to spend their hard earned money on them.
>TiTiKEi is the first tank?bon release from Ishikei and it was the best selling hentai manga in Japan last year. It's easy to see why with all of the beautiful full color pages. This is a good example of just how much of a difference getting the actual artwork makes as opposed to reading a lower quality scan.
>Since we are using artwork directly from the publisher, page bleeding (a common issue with color works) is nonexistent. We no longer have to worry about the accuracy of the colors, because the colors will always be accurate! When a book is scanned it will always look a little funny due to the reflections caused by the scanning device, which will throw off the colors. You can see the difference in the example below.
Japanese porn artists are paid on fixed commission by Wani and only repaid upon repeat physical publication in Japan (e.g. upon release of a tankobon).
All your overseas money is going straight into Jacob and Wani's pockets, the artists never see a yen.
I don't want to sound too much like a fujoshit but it's kind of interesting to see the hentai community getting the same treatment as what DMG/other gay manga publishers have been doing with yaoi manga for years.
How do you use e-hentai grabber? Cause it ain't doing what it says it should.
>Click Image Links (Begin)
>Go Right click the page, select DownThemAll!
>Lots of links, 5-6 images
What am I doing wrong?
by then it would already been torn to pieces.
>Just saying America... how many people just get shot in your country on a day to day basis?
Well, if we go by the Brady Campaign's numbers, which are biased as it is, 32 amerifats die to guns each day.
Out of a population pool of 316,148,990, as reported by the 2010 Census.
The fucker has a 0.00001.012181% chance of being killed by some random fuck with gun. If we limit to niggers only, and exclude pissed off rednecks, its even lower.
>yurop in charge of math
kek. Leave it to us Asians you mutts.
That's not how national socialism works Anons... You'd be euthanised for not being volkish enough, encouraging degeneracy and seeking entertainment from foreign sources.
So this only really affects translated works?
Because idgaf about translating. I fap to images, not words. And porn writing sucks.
>my favorites were untouched
>try some of the affected doujins in moonspeak
>they were good and I never fapped to them
if you wait to long it gets 403 and you have to refresh
can't you read
>Click Image Links (Begin)
>LEFT click the page, select DownThemAll!
fuck man do you want me to hold your hands geez
also 1.3.4 is the latest
That's not what you responded to. He asked if they were removed only from e- but were still up on ex. As in if they just hid it on the public one. Then someone told him they were the same thing. Which they're not. They use the same account system, but one has content the other doesn't.
nips were allies with hitler, the culture of the axis countries would be preserved and glorified, while the culture of the rest of the world would be oppressed
And after Hitler take over the rest of the world, he really cant just kill all non german, nor he can slave drive every one
We would all live in a german based military regime at worst and non axis countries would have a shitter status than now, the only ones who would be really fucked are the niggers in africa, but its already a shithole there, a shithole with nazis on the side wouldn't be that much of a difference
I actually like the right one better.
Not that I'm gonna pay anything for it, I'll just wait for the inevitable torrents.