Man accelerator is awesome. Lets have a thread about him. Him and his based vectors.
Sorry if this was asked before but can Accelerator win agains Dio?
I mean it as, Accel's vectors can only redirect shit as fast as light. The best example being the fact that Accel is a dirty albino.
So yeah, unless there's some proof that his vectors can react to faster-than-light shit, Accel gets punched through the gut.
...You don't seem to understand. We haven't seen him control, or react anything moving at that speed, therefore we can't assume that he can. Therefore Accel gets punched through the gut.
Yep, light speed doesn't. Shit that goes beyond it, however, we don't know. Dio's Stand is faster than light, even slower Stands and weaker Stands like The Hanged Man or Red Hot Chili Peppers move at that speed. Ergo, Accel gets punched through the gut without the need of time-stopping.
Except stands don't move faster than light. That was just a figure of speech. Hell, even something faster than sound would create a sonic boom, but those stands punches only make bruises to the target.
You said it yourself. "We haven't seen him control, or react at anything moving at that speed".
Why should we assume he can? Any proof? No? Obviously not. Now shut yer cake hole.
I was a different guy. I'm only talking about The World/Star Platinum here.
Stopping time means that they are moving faster than light. Don't you know what special relativity is?
Even as early as part 2, Cars blocked Stroheim's UV laser.
Silver Chariot managed to outspeed Hanged Man moving through light.
Later on part 3, Silver Chariot blocked lasers from The Sun, which is a Stand that works...yep, just like the sun! Which means Silver Chariot blocked...yep, UV rays!
On part 4, Red Hot Chili Peppers was a, yep, light Stand. Josuke's Stand punks RHCP. Josuke's Stand is comparable to Jotaro's.
Should I keep going?
Because the thing is that you assume the plausibility untill it's denied. ANd anyway fif we dont know the specifics of the vectors then we cant say what will happen. Unless dio hit's him with Touma's arm
Okay guys does this thing need to be updated? I'm copying all the LN to a textfile to read on my way to and from Uni but I'm rereading along with watching so it's taking me a while so I figured I'd ask here since its actually my first time watching.
Well of course. Even an ant that moves in an environment that time is stopped would be faster than light. But that's just because the time itself doesn't move. In normal condition, they wouldn't be able to move faster than light.
That's just shounen hyperbolic to exaggerate their power.
actually, Dio and Jotaro's stands can punch somebody while time is stopped right? then it's not even a question of whether Accel can redirect stuff FTL, he can't do calculations in stopped time.
That's not how burden of proof works.
It has the same practical effect as moving faster than time.
>That's just shounen hyperbolic to exaggerate their power.
No, all the examples he described are cases of stands literally moving FTL.
Stroheim was a cyborg. The sun was the only shit that could harm Pillar men, that's why he had a literal UV ray. Not hyperbole.
The Hanged Man moves through light. And Silver Chariot moved faster than Hanged Man, reaching the place HM was supposed to be first, then slashing it. That shit's not shounen hyperbolic. It would be hyperbole if it wasn't SHOWED TO THE READER. But, guess what. ARAKI SHOWS, NOT TELL.
So lolno, Accel gets rekt by faster-than-light Stands.
i thought it still involved subconscious calculations, i could be wrong though, but wasn't the reason he got shot because he focused too much of his calculation power on LO? (again, i could be wrong it's been a while since i read those parts.)
When did the Accelerator vs Flash debate start?
In a sense, yes. But in reality (in the manga), the enemies who got hit by star platinum just left with bruises. Do you know what happened if someone got hit by things at the speed of light? It got blown the fuck out (no pun intended).
Star Platinum doesn't always move FTL you know.
>Do you know what happened if someone got hit by things at the speed of light? It got blown the fuck out (no pun intended).
Uh yeah, that's what happens the vast majority the time. People try not to get beat up by Jotaro for a reason.
You see. Accelerator has to CALCULATE shit for his vectors to REDIRECT. He can CALCULATE while he's sleeping, but when TIME is LITERALLY FUCKING STOPPED, guess what, EVERYTHING IS. Yes, even whatever makes Accelerator CALCULATE CAN'T.
So he gets PSYCHIC GHOST PUNCHED.
That's because he needed to put all his thought to fix her brain so he put reflect off.
Think of it like to run reflect.exe you only need 50mb of ram, while to run fix-loli-brain.exe you'd need 450mb of ram. But, you only have max 500mb of ram, so you'd need to turn off reflect to run fix-loli-brain.exe otherwise you'll get bluescreen.
>Accelerator has to CALCULATE shit for his vectors to REDIRECT
No, he doesn't need to. He only need to calculate if he want the reflected object goes to the direction he want. If it's just regular reflection he don't need to calculate things.
I can stop a person from punching me if I can run fast enough to my house and close the door.
ALBINO-KID can't redirect a GHOST-PSYCHIC MANLY PUNCH to the FACE that's goin' FASTER THAN YOUR SISTER RUNNING TO THE BIG POPPA PUMP'S ARMS.
Because SPEED DOES MATTERS, ANON.
You see, my DEAR GENETIC FREAK.
If you CLAIM something, you need to bring YOUR OWN GOD-FORSAKEN PROOF. You can't ask ME TO BRING YOUR OWN PROOF to the argument, OTHERWISE YOU'RE INCURRING IN A BIG DIPPER SIZED BURDEN OF PROOF FALLACY.
HOLLA IF YOU HEAR ME
What can Touma do? Dio even as a human had skill in hand to hand. And vampires in JoJo aren't supernatural, but biologic, so IB is useless against Dio (not the Stand, but Dio himself).
That's a pretty bad analogy.
I get what you're daying but until proven one way or the other we cant really say. FOr all we know he could take damage and then the vectors work anyway and redirect it out in real time. They could not work at all. Or they could even work anyway and Dio just won't be able to harm him at all. The only time his vectors fail is when he his intentionally focusing on something else or when Touma vectored his vectors or some shit.
TL:DR we dont have prof confirming, invalidation, or giving light to a "third" option so none of us can say anything for sure beyond " it depends on how it works in context."
Okay. His power is to redirect vectors. Vectors above the speed of light doesn't stop being vectors.
It's like you said that we need proof that he can redirect something going exactly 40 mph, because we didn't seen him doing that.
YOU DENSE PIECE OF GENETIC JUNK, LET THE BIG POPPA PUMP TELL YOU HOW THE PROMO'S ON.
ALBINOKID: YO DIO, IMMA REKKIN' YOUR FABULOUS ASS YOU PIECE OF SHIT.
FAGGYVAMP: NO, FUCK YOU LOLSHITTYMEME111
And then albino kid dies.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU NEED TO CALCULATE TO REDIRECT, YOU GET ANIHILATED BY SPEED TOO FAST FOR YOU TO CALCULATE.
It works both ways.
You are CLAIMING that somehow a CONSTANT FIELD that requires NO OUTSIDE INPUT from Accel would suddenly stop working because reasons.
The fact is that you have no proof to back up that claim, for or against. But you act like the burden of proof is on the other guy when in reality it is on both persons to provide fucking evidence. The fact is that nobody knows for sure what would happen, but you really want to be right about something and are being stubborn about it for some stupid reason. Just let it go and STOP typing LIKE A RETARD.
You see, my fellow poster, there is a small problem with that. Even if it's automatic, Dio's Stand is too fast for it, The World would bypass it.
In the JJBA manga, Dio has shown that his ability damages his enemies while time is stopped. The damage isn't "stacked" until the time stop is over.
> Even if it's automatic, Dio's Stand is too fast for it, The World would bypass it
It's a constant fucking field. That like saying that Dio can walk through a fucking wall because "he's going to fast for it."
why do accelerator threads always devolve into accelerator vs threads...we obviously cant handle the sheer responsibility of an accelerator thread. EVERYONE GO BACK TO YOU RAILDEX THREAD AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE DONE!
I'm talking About Accelerator. We don't know how it would work in the given situation on his end. We know what Dio does and we know what AC does. We don't know how they work in relation to each other. But if anything AC should take no damage since if something exceeds the speed of light it wont stop being a vector. Vectors are magnitude and direction. If the magnitude of Dio's perceived real-time speed exceeds that of light he still has a magnitude. If that magnitude is going in a particular direction and thus is a vector. We have more inherent reason to believe he would get vectored than not.
"Euclidean vector, a geometric entity endowed with magnitude and direction as well as a positive-definite inner product; an element of a Euclidean vector space. In physics, euclidean vectors are used to represent physical quantities that have both magnitude and direction, such as force, in contrast to scalar quantities, which have no direction."
But as I said we cannot confirm or deny anything for sure even knowing what we do so all we can do is speculate.
No I'm just saying I like Railgun more, and for the record Accelerator could beat DIO fairly easily so could Touma
but neither could beat the Flash
Really? I don't see him having the range to destroy all AIM fields, or the concept of mana. how could he possibly do the same with speed force?
No he needs to touch with his right hand or those gay dragons
Are you really doubting Tatsuya?
He would. The Flash would go back in time and watch Touma.
>But why would the Flash go back in time in the first place if he doesn't know about his powers?
The Flash is fast enough to go back in time and see everything without missing anything in present time. He's that fast.
>The Flash is fast enough to go back in time and see everything without missing anything in present time.
And if I am wrong, that is some absurdly stupid fucking writing that would literally kill any tension ever because then Flash can just literally out predict anything
He can do almost anything, it's just his lack of logic and creativity that would get him killed, don't forget that he turns air into a fucking bomb a few episodes after saying that.
I mean, yes the Real Numbers form a vector space in the mathematical sense, but "vector", when used in the context of physics, refers to Euclidean vectors, ie, a mathematical object with magnitude AND direction. Charge and heat don't have direction, and are thus, scalars.
If you take charge and heat to be vectors because real numbers form a vector space, then, by that logic, he could change the mass of any object because that's also a "vector" in the real numbers.