From August 1,?Japanese government wii give notice to about 580 illegal anime and manga uploading websites in oversea to delete those contents.
And nobody will give a fuck.
The biggest manga streaming sites are in countries that don't give a shit.
And Nyaa doesn't give a shit either.
Worst case scenario is that a bunch of redditors can't stream anime anymore.
This. I dont think they realize all theyre going to do its kill interest and popularity. Hell, shit like the Madoka streaming in murrica and Knight of Sidonia on netflix wouldnt have happened if not for fansubbing.
Oh no, they're going to crack down on piracy. Because that has been so effective in the past across all mediums including anime, I better start panicking and posting Ron Paul images all day.
Don't you understand?
They're taking away your freedom to watch anime illegally over the internet! Next thing, they'll be taking away your freedom to speak out against the government!
>Already have all the anime I care about on my hard drive.
One does not simply request that illegal anime and manga gets removed.
ONE DOES NOT SIMPLY REMOVE ANYTHING OFF THE INTERNET.
This isnt something you can easily provide a citation. Think of it rationally though. Would anyone in the west give a shit about Madoka to the extent they do now if we had to wait years for release due to a non existent fansubbing community? Why would the movies be aired in theaters if nobody gave a shit?
"Casuals" and normalfags represent the bulk of western anime fans and regardless of whether you like or dislike them they're still the reason why shit thats good for us happens. Anime is an easily consumable, varied medium, that can be streamed online for free or very cheaply. If people can't stream it then they will start to care less since not every show is officially or "officially" done by funi, cr, aniplex, etc.
>US 5600 million
>Cantonese animated cartoons
>mfw I only buy things after I've pirated and watched/read them
>mfw if they make me stop pirating I'll also stop buying
oh wow its nothing. Also not like if they take out one there wont be three more in its place.
As if even 5% of the people who pirated it would pay for the ridiculously overpriced blurays sold in Japan.
It's probably only going to hit online manga streaming sites that just have a new site set up in a day and maybe some of those shit-tier video streaming sites that you shouldn't be using in the first place.
>He's right it was mostly vanilla shit
So as long it's vanilla it's shit? I'd like to remind you that every work is either purely of one genre or a mix of two or more.
Just saying its vanilla shit is wrong, man. Some delicious henreader and kinku disappearded too. And Napata's work isn't shit either.
Even if this does kill fansubbing, which it probably won't, it feels good knowing my imouto has a CR account that I can jump ship to.
Casuals usually use Hulu and CR though, and are willing to wait. So I don't see your point entirely. The fansubbing community was built on hardcore fans watching countless shows a season. For casuals as soon as an easier way to watch it comes around, they go for that. It's why Netflix and Hulu both exploded and led to everyone "binge-watching". It was right in front of them for, in the case of Hulu, just a few ads.
And back in the day, even though people had to wait a few months or years word of mouth got around pretty quickly when a VHS release happened.
The thing is we don't know an alternate world of licensed anime on TV without fansubs. It's known fansubbing, and the ease of getting it, killed a lot of the licensing companies and took anime off TV for the most part. If there were no fansubs would anime have grown through TV broadcasts and rental video stores as it did in the 90s? And would that growth in US popularity still have snowballed the way it did? We'll never know.
>"Casuals" and normalfags represent the bulk of western anime fans and regardless of whether you like or dislike them they're still the reason why shit thats good for us happens.
Anime being imported and subbed to the west happened long before casuals got wind of it and worked fine. With the rise of CR fansubbing has become increasingly squeezed which is a bad thing - there used to be variety in translations meaning choice and certain groups with affinities toward certain genres and hence knew better how to make good tailored translations have been eradicated or lost interest.
Even if there was several days or weeks/months delay as many of us remember it never dampened our spirits. Also many niche anime which don't get casualfag exposure nor ever will get interest are still subject to the whims of fansub groups because crunchyshit won't pick them up (e.g. Hyouge Mono).
You do realize that there's 4 blurays there, right?
LoGH has 110 episodes.
Around 27 episodes on each BD.
Let's get the average price of 750 dollars.
750/27 = ~28 dollars. You're paying around 28 dollars for each episode.
This. I dont want to sound entitled or anything but for an industry as niche as anime for otaku they should be glad theres some minor interest elsewhere.
If people back home are buying lemonade for $2 and you learn you can sell lemonade overseas for a $0.75 and still make a profit because there some guys who bootleg lemonade thus creating a small market and a slight demand you should go for it. But if you get greedy and not only try to shut those guys down but also try to sell it for $2 maybe they'll just loose interest and go back to drinking orange juice like they always have. After all, lemonade isnt made for them.
>Why does your imouto have a CR account in the first place?
Didn't know how to torrent until I taught her. Also didn't have a computer until recently so she wanted to watch it on her Xbox.
>Also does she have good taste?
The only thing she uses her CR account for is Naruto. The few other things she watches are alright, though.
If they do that, they're technically committing suicide because a lot of the anime get their popularity from these sites. You could watch the series and say "hey this is good maybe I'll buy it." Without that, they're shooting themselves in the foot.
less than 10% sounds like a huge goddamned amount. Also some of my favorite stuff got taken down. Luckily i download/torrent my stuff but the poor fools that actually rely on stuff being online
Glad I'm not the not the only one disgusted by marring the purity of the imoutos.
They can immediately go to CR or Hulu and watch a few episodes for free. If you had to pay for anything on all the legit sites it would be a lot more of a pressing point. But now it doesn't matter, casuals can get their anime free, easy, and through means endorsed by the powers that be.
Ahhh fuck that noise! Real bank isn't made off of movies and television show. It's made off of the merchandising that comes from said media. http://youtu.be/PQEVgbMqq7o
It's clear nobody wants to pay to stream anime. If they want to pay they'd by the blu-ray. But they'd be blind to the anime and if they hate it then they'd have spent $60 for nothing.
>Not downloading what they liked
They can only blame themselves. Play the game and when you get to lvl20 you can get 2k credits a day, That's like 1 direct download, if they don't want to use or you can't use torrents.
This is pretty bad. Because if the government is stepping in this could lead to ISPs coming down harder on anime distribution. Not all of us are in positions where we can anonymize ourselves.
>This happens at least once a year,
Uhhh no it doesn't.
>Not all of us are in positions where we can anonymize ourselves.
Yes we are.
>It's clear nobody wants to pay to stream anime
Then why does CR make money?
The old days we were forced to buy a DVD or VHS to see if we liked it. Either that or drive around to countless Blockbusters and their ilk to find hopefully volume 1 somewhere. I have no nostalgia about these days. Fansubbing came along and made it more accessible, and now streaming has picked up that torch and carried it further. I feel like a lot of the people getting so bothered by "needing to pay for anime" generally are products of the endless summer and didn't know what life was like 10-12 years ago.
Thats not the point dumbass. Not everything is provided by the legitimate providers. Furthermore without the ease of streaming fansubbed anime those legitimate stream sites wouldnt exist in the first place because the owners wouldnt be very aware that was something people would be into and the people themselves wouldnt even give a shit about anime.
The average streamer is the average western anime fan.
>Most older shows are only available as streams as most torrents simply don't exist or are far no longer being seeded
>Most vendor wouldn't even carry them as they're practically collectable merchandise now so legally obtaining them is out of the window too.
>Most older shows will be permanently loss or beyond worthwhile to obtain
>You fags are perfectly fine with this
Fucking summer fags.
>my imouto has a CR account
> I dont think they realize all theyre going to do its kill interest and popularity.
This argument worked 6 or 7 years ago when anime streaming was in its infnacy, but not anymore. Most anime airing are streamed from official sources nowadays around the same time as the Japanese air. Fansubbing has become unnecessary in sustaining the popularity of anime.
I doubt ISPs are going to be able to do much if you encrypt your torrent traffic. They'll know you're torrenting, but not WHAT you're torrenting. If you get a C&D because some faggot sent your IP on a list to the ISP, just start buying VPN service from someone. Hell, I've seen some for less than the price of most MMO subscriptions.
>ISPs coming down harder on anime distribution
Good thing I live in a country where ISPs and the government don't give a single fuck about digital piracy. If everything goes wrong I can just go back to watching anime translated in my native language, although I really don't want to.
>not actually shit
If censorship, poor translating, and bad typesetting are your idea of good, then sure. Not to mention that not every show gets picked up by Crunchyroll.
So because something was always done through piracy it should continue to be that way even though it's apparent the more legitimate option is working?
Yes the streaming sites showed it could be done, they played an important role in history. Just as the old VHS trading did before video stores came into existence, and DVD burning and torrents did before streaming sites. It's the natural progression of things.
And, yes, them not having everything is a big issue but that's not something that is going to hinder the exposure to anime (just certain anime) for a large part of the population. What it means, of course, is more and more anime becomes readily available through streaming means.
Even with Netflix not everything is on there, but it still gets plenty of loyal subscribers. Hell Seinfeld isn't on there and people are content waiting for it to show up. I think you're underestimating the consumer in some ways.
Then tell me anon-kun what would you recommend to use, because from what I know TOR is the most efficient and the best to use.
But I haven't researched this shit in months so I'm kinda out the loop.
No, we don't. In the years I've watched anime, I've never heard of anything like this. The Japanese government has never stepped in and cast this wide a net. Distributors (usually foreign in the name of their Japanese clients) send C&Ds, but that's about it.
That's not how it works. The copyright holder (or someone working for it) joins the swarm and catalogs all the IPs. They complain to the ISP of those IPs and the ISP complains to the users of those IPs. It doesn't matter if you encrypt your traffic.
>So because something was always done through piracy it should continue to be that way
Sure. We basically cut out the middleman and everyone is happy. It's not like anime studios are payed on a 'per viewer' basis anyway - they reclaim money via merchandise. The idea that western audience are eating into studio profits because they 'pirate' anime is ridiculous.
The only ones who lose out are normalfags who use those streaming sites in the first place.
Yeah we've grown up over the years, established an income, and are fine with the low cost of an annual subscription. Back when I was a kid the price of one year of CR was equal to 2 or maybe 3 DVDs.
Don't let nostalgia lie to you /a/, the past was a terrible time.
>from what I know TOR is the most efficient and the best to use
Tor is a fucking joke, it's full of spyware and it got infiltrated 2 years ago. To make matters worse Putin has now issued a reward to whoever manages to crack Tor and extract the credentials of its users. Nowhere is safe these days.
This cunt basically said he is ok with a being a cunt who pays to watch anime. Why the fuck are people like this allowed on /a/? Is MAL banning retards like them from their site?
>And, yes, them not having everything is a big issue
It's a big issue, think of all the good anime you'd missed just because CR doesn't have it.
>So because something was always done through piracy
A long time ago, when fansubbing was for fans, by fans, and when the Japanese jews are concentrated targeting Japan only no one calls fansubbing piracy.
It got only called piracy when jews thought that anime marketing outside Japan can be profitable.
This. Fucking newfags.
Most of the big busts have been regarding a few uploaders on PD or Share, stricter copyright laws for downloading files, or a C&D on certain works. Never have they broadly targeted so many secondary sites.
Isn't the the job of the copyright holders to send claims? What does the government have to do with that? How do they even know which sites have got publishing rights and which have not?
>No, we don't. In the years I've watched anime, I've never heard of anything like this. The Japanese government has never stepped in and cast this wide a net. Distributors (usually foreign in the name of their Japanese clients) send C&Ds, but that's about it.
No - you misunderstand. I meant that some faggot always posts some nes story from Japan about tehm cracking down on whatever (loli, streaming, uploading' and claiming 'it's happening' by extended hyperbole on it's ripple effect on the industry) Maybe they don't come out every other month, but some faggot on /a/ will try and start a thread this way and these kinds of threads are what pop up fairly often (maybe every other month was an exaggeration) but we do get several a year from what I remember.
I honestly wouldn't care that much if there were actually a proper business in the anime industry. They don't fucking know how to monetize it, then they get mad when no one buys it. No one in their right mind is paying hundreds of dollars for blu-rays, it's fucking idiocy. You can keep that for otaku collectors, but why the fuck not put out "standard editions" that just have all the episodes without any extras for a reasonable price ($60 max)? The only reason otaku are the only ones supporting the industry are because they're the only ones willing to pay those ridiculous prices.
As for the rest, Crunchyroll is a step in the right direction, but it needs competition badly. Hell, maybe Daiz should start his own subscription site that actually gives you downloads instead of shitty streaming and recruit from current fansub groups or something. The reason Crunchy is so bad is because they can get away with it.
tl;dr, if Japan knew how to sell its anime, it would sell. Piracy isn't going to fix the fact that they can't monetize for shit.
Trust me, I know the NSA is watching me. Just being in an IT security major puts me on there list.
Well that's new, I know that putin wanted to start his own "internet" that the CIA and the NSA didn't have full reigns over. But ima do some research on trying to crack TOR, thats a major issue along with spyware.
They already do that now. Japanese government whining isn't going to make things any worse. This changes absolutely nothing. Some pussy sites might get scared and close down, maybe, but others will just pick up the slack. The fanbase is too entrenched to ever stop what we are doing. This is just pissing into the wind. The only thing that will happen is they get covered in their own piss.
Chances that they're going to target a lot of Chinese sites are big. Expect raw providers to go down like flies.
If you say next that you read One Piece I am going to laugh at you.
>the year of our lord and savior saint IGNUcius
>not using a free as in FREEDOM operating system
If trackers go down you can bet your ass it's going to affect torrenting.
As it is now we have a handful of options when it comes to torrenting anime. THIS is the downside of putting all your eggs in one basket.
>people in this thread thinking CR is similar to Steam
Video games and anime are not the same product in the slightest and the way of offering it to the masses are not comparable in terms of product distribution and profit models.
>caring about freedom
>not using your computer exclusively for anime, erogres, and 4chan
The Japanese government has resources and connections that individual distributors don't. It is plausible that these are the first steps of anime being treated a lot like American film and music are.
>I use LInux like any intelligent person so no.
See I used to have the same opinion as you. Then I realized half of the /g/'s tinfoil hatting is bull because a cocks already 6 inches up our ass and that an OS is a tool more so than anything else. So regardless of whether you use a hacksaw or a buzzsaw it doesnt fucking matter if all you need to do is cut a small ass 1 inch thick piece of wood, or in this case shitpost on 4chan and download chinese cartoons.
>This is pretty bad. Because if the government is stepping in this could lead to ISPs coming down harder on anime distribution. Not all of us are in positions where we can anonymize ourselves.
you do know hundreds of thousands of people are still downloading TV shows and movies and music from america IN america, right? the media companies in america can't even convince government to do something about all their shit being pirated, do you seriously think the anime industry in japan (incredibly small in comparison) could do anything?
>Uhhh no it doesn't.
They're not going to kill Nyaa are they?
I swear to god i'll nuke them again if they fucking try it.
And not a single fuck was given.
Remember when shutting down Napster stopped all mp3 downloads forever?
50 new sites will be up within a week.
It's very obvious by the nature of comments in this thread that people are thinking about a Steam type model (stick it on a central authority were the user then pays via that to gain access to the quality product) even if it isn't explicitly stated.
It's not just about freedom (Linux is flat out a better operating system than Windows), but it is partly so. Microsoft is untrustworthy, and especially in the age of that three letter agency who shall not be named, you'd you have to be pretty ignorant to use Windows.
I give a fuck.
Nyaa is a pretty nice centralized site.
I wouldn't want to see it go down because of some crap like this, just like I didn't like mangatraders dying.
Sure, you can still get everything that was there, but a good site was lost.
The ridiculous prices and lack of advertising are exactly why it's not popular. I'm sorry you don't remember the anime boom of the 90s. It can be very popular if they just fucking get it out there. The problem is there's no network willing to give it the timeslots CN gave it back in the day, but that's irrelevant anyway because TV is dying and streaming is the future. Get more of that shit on Netflix and fucking advertise it and bam, second anime boom. Hell, Attack on Titan is already making waves.
>anime boom of the 90s
Haha what? The boom of going to rent a VHS for 3 episodes? I'll give you Toonami, but the prices to buy anime then were even worse than they are now. And our options were much more limited than they are with CR.
Im going to circumvent everything you just said as its totally irrelevant. Hell, you even mentioned the biggest flaw in your statement. Anime here is a niche within a niche in a foreign country. WHY do YOU think its popular here?
The same way you do now. Just possibly on a different site. People have been trying to stop piracy since before the internet even existed. I've yet to see them have more than a moment's success. Piracy is the ultimate hydra. Kill one site and 3 more pop up in it's place.
>trying to start an argument about whether the holocaust is good or bad out of a joke
not really spyware but every tor node is tracked by the US gov't. using tor just once gets you put on the terrorist watchlist FOR LIFE. good thing to do a friend's house of a friend you don't really like...
>no more faggot streaming sites
Thank you based Nippon
Yes, because governments stepping in to curb piracy has been shown to be effective in the past.
Remember /a/, don't copy that floppy.
>shows with multi-million dollar budgets huge supporting casts and teams of assistants with mainstream audience in the tens of millions vs anime (mostly niche product) made on shoestring budgets and recouping money via merchandise
Yep - totally the same. Having the same model will rectify all monetary issues.
Are you really this goddamm stupid, or are you just pretending? For your sake I hope it's the latter.
GUNS and TITS and FIGHTING and BLOOD is somehow not mainstream in the 90's? Were you even self aware back then?
Yeah that describes a number of the properties available on Netflix. Not all though. You'd be surprised if you dug a little deeper and saw the number of independently-produced and/or low budget television shows they have available. Those kind of shows counting on the exposure Netflix can bring them.
It's the same thing, there's financial backing, nothing will change. This is it. That's the entire discussion we needed to have, I just had right there.
>It is plausible that these are the first steps of anime being treated a lot like American film and music are.
So even easier to pirate and distribute. Sweet.
Wouldn't it just be easier for sub groups to just release sub files that users staple to whatever raw the user finds instead of releasing their own encodes? They would cut their liability and not have to worry about uploading and seeding massive files upon release.
Most anime are streamed on legal platforms these days so what do they have to do with anything? You'd only get rid of those low-quality illegal stream sites (do they even exist anymore?
The Japanese government loves foreign anime and manga fans, which is why they've been trying to use anime as a way to grow Japan's soft power.
Yes, Toriyama created Dragon Ball to appeal to the mainstream!
Are you fucking stupid? I'm talking about the integrity of the work, it didn't cater to fucking anyone. Battle shounen having mainstream appeal is not the same as making something specifically to cater to the mainstream, which absolutely nothing that aired on Toonami did except for maybe Big O.
>The Japanese government loves foreign anime and manga fans
While anime and mango may be positive for japans influence in the world, japanese politicians aren't sensible or aware in the slightest sense. You will never meet a group more out of touch and "old man screams at clouds" than japanese politicians.
No, it fucking didn't. Wing did not do notably better than the other 90s Gundam series in Japan. It had mass appeal and good timing for American kids, but that wasn't its purpose.
If it came to it I'm sure timing could be sped up if distributing an encoded release becomes risky for groups. Its not like there is going to be a giant diversity in raws anyway to make timing hard.
No they hate anime and anime fans IN JAPAN. They hate the stereotype of a NEET shutin otaku. They want to export their shit and push it on everyone else just like any other country because that creates industry and international interest. The thing is they dont understand the how or why anime is popular in the west. Its like how those shareholders at nintendo that got bitchy because nintendo wasnt doing crap like trying to expand or create a mobile market.
Why shouldnt they do that? Who knows but it may make money so why not? Surely this wont have a backlash effect and kill popularity in someway or form.
Everyone is on the NSA watchlist, but I'm sure they give higher priorities to people who exhibit certain traits.
Like for example, browsing 4chan. That probably bumps you up a few points.
And than of course, things like not using social media websites like facebook. Since I don't a have a facebook, they can't get as much information out of me, so wouldn't I be considered a bigger threat in their system?
I mean, everytime I see I see a loli thread on /a/ I feel like I'm becoming a bigger target for NSA. Shit, just typing loli in this post is probably triggering some sort of NSA spy shit.
I'm not so self-centered to think I'm actually someone worth spying on, the world is just so fucked up.
The whole point of Wing was to appeal to a mainstream audience that Gundam had gotten away from. It doesn't matter how much better or not it did, the show was made to cater to a mainstream audience and it struck gold with the foreign, mainstream audience.
You do realize this is actually done for TV shows, right?
There are a lot of sub only sites for some english only works.
They just make a timed sub for each independent release.
If my tech illiterate family can download them, I don't see why the average anon wouldn't be able to.
Most of the influential politicos in japan think anime is the devil, otakus are satanspawn, and that the answer to all their problems is making life even more miserable for the young.
>shutting down lolipower.org
That was HIM?
>Saber Rider didn't cater to the mainstream
>Rounin Warrior didn't cater to the mainstream
>Gatchaman didn't cater to the mainstream
Give me a break. I am 97% convinced now that you have no recollection of the 90's whatsoever.
Big robots, ninjas, androids, cute girls and vigilante teams were a trademark of 90's popular culture. Anime most fucking certainly pandered to the mainstream. It found an audience in the millions of fans of power rangers and other sunday morning cartoons.
You fucking moron. Unless you use a different IP 24/7 they will always know who you are regardless of whether you have a social media or not. Unless you're an illegal immigrant with not photo, no home and no SS of any kind only then would they not know who you are.
Well, what I meant is, since I'm not constantly updating some feed about what I'm doing every five minutes, that would certainly make me someone who is more suspicious, right?
If the nips wasn't such an ass and provided like a website where they publish all their shit with english translations, then they would get their money, they wouldn't get exploited and then we would get a wide variety of anime & mangos holy shit, I'd even happily throw them money. Why cant they capitalize on the market and realize the amount of profit they could make?
>not browsing the internet from a stolen notebook using the next town's public park's wifi
Well considering MT is down, they don't really have anything to take from me. At the very least someone has a backup right now, even if they are idiots who are incapable of getting it up.
Could do with a fuckload less streaming sites.
/a/ is just sperging like usual. China isn't going to seriously chase after ripper/scan groups, especially with Japan trying to get JDF stronk on some islands. Subs will still go on and as will torrents/filelockers. As long as you dont jump on public trackers downloading big 3 shit your going to be fine.
and now this.
We're only a little better than half way through the year and all this shit has happened.
2014 is the year of the great /a/pocalypse. Brace yourselves, because the worst is yet to come.
A few posters have brought up that a lot of series are super-expensive, so that's my point. I'd actually pay for the anime I'd torrent/watch if owning a series wasn't the equivalent of buying a high-end graphics card or CPU. Some anon linked the vol. 1 BDs for Sabagebu from JPN Amazon in a Sabagebu thread earlier in the day - it's $52 and change for vol. 1 because they're throwing in 3 posters. That's just vol. 1. I'd buy some series if it wouldn't cost me an absolute fortune. If I want Sabagebu the Men's Daily Vitamin or Sabagebu the Box Fan, I'll pay for that separately.
I'm not sure if this is because of isolationist practices or bad business decisions, but cracking down on a foreign audience that will buy your shit if it's at a reasonable price for them locally is stupid.
Nobody gives a shit about what you're doing every 5 minutes but if you're stupid enough to download 10GB of CP and go around posting it all over the place without hiding your IP would be when you really get in trouble.
Although nowadays the NSA is more concern about Sand Monkeys plotting to blow up the nearest synagogue.
What about sadpanda? It works fine for me.
Not him, but your post raises one of my lifelong questions:
What would I do if I had to pay for my media?
I have literally thousands of music CDs on my HDDs, not to mention the anime, movies, and vidya I have played.
Probably more than a hundred thousand dollars in my life.
"This week I will but THIS product and enjoy it because it's the only thing I'll have until next week" sounds a line from another planet.
>If anyone's getting v& it's the fansubbers.
Even if they do, they won't get arrested since they're not selling it illegally or anything. If anything most of them probably have the own the damn shows.
Can't get a hold of him myself.
Better get used to it. I hope you like JUMP, because that's all you're going to able to afford from now on, Digital JUMP releases on a tablet.
Sounds swell, doesn't it?
4chan has been quick to pick up on /pol/'s alarmism. They'll grasp and anything that makes it seem that EVERYTHING IS DOOMED IN EVERY WAY FOREVER WITH NOTHING LEFT BUT A BLACK EMPTY SHELL OF WHAT ONCE WAS.
There is going to be a legitimate problem in 50 years or so, in that technology is likely going to make things so easily available and low-cost that there is no justifiable monetary value for it. As people who have been downloading tons of entertainment for free we're ahead of the curb on that. Eventually everything will be so plentiful and readily available that either the economy collapses, or we find some other method of compensation. Money can only weigh humanity down for so long.
>thus rendering the fansubbers obsolete.
It's a shame that CR such dick when it comes to their job. I'm not going to pay 11 dollars a month for shit quality and shody subbing, as well as them dropping and skipping over certain shows and mangas just because they want to do the more popular ones first.
CR is a piece of shit.
My imouto watches GITS and other such stuff, my even younger imouto has read all of Jojo and she reads the new chapters with me, she also likes slice of life stuff like working, and Ika Musume. Pretty good taste in my book
This. If I could buy an official release DVD of an english subbed Bakemonogatari right now for 35 bucks Id go order it right now.
They need to realize that to a western audience, the ability to OWN and episode of a series on disc is between 1-3 bucks. Most people just buy that for the shit they like and then get merch separate. Bonus features, content, posters, etc. at a price is something hardly anyone here wants to pay extra for.
I quite to the point, don't even have any legitimate means of watching anime legally. Outside of importing BDs.
CR and the other stream networks aren't exactly that good outside of America.
If you get rid of all those streaming sites in Google, and more don't pop up, what are you left with? Nyaa and Bakabt. It's going to be really easy for them to dismantle the foreign anime downloading community now that we have conveniently put all our eggs in one basket.
They can't do anything to sites oversea, especially those in China, but that doesn't mean they don't have the jurisdiction to prosecute those who are living in Japan and uploaded to those sites.
They need to just copy the Western games industry and do standard and collector's editions. Skyrim had a fucking $100+ collector's edition with a dragon statue and a cloth map or some shit but the regular version was your standard $60. With anime, the $100+ is the only version available, which is why the industry isn't fucking growing.
>First they came for the MT, and I did not speak out—
>Because I was using manga reading sites.
>Then they came for the sadpanda, and I did not speak out—
>Because I was muh sekretclub.
>Then they came for the nyaa, and I did not speak out—
>Because I was using TT
>Then they came for me—
>and there was no one left to speak for me.
Seriously, i don't know why you guys didn't care. If Nyaa or TT is down, they may go after fansub site. Nyaa is for convenience for the downloader since we know who and what they were subbing. i don't want to go to all fansub site to find what i wanted to.
and for someone using IRC, i dont want to go to all IRC channels to download shit, same goes for fansub site.
i bet bakabt and animebytes will be down after this.
>implying retards who don't disable it have anything to do with Tor being cracked
>implying silk road isn't already back up since forever ago
That's because their shit isn't aim toward us. You think when they talk about BD-sales they're talking about overall and not just specific parts of Japan?
It's not that I want to pirate and like fansubs, it's that THEY DON'T FUCKING PROVIDE ANYTHING FOR WESTERN USERS!
Half the shows, not even, most of the anime I saw within my lifetime were all anime that would never be released to the western public and some never even get as much as a Dvd release.
That's a laugh.
90% of people that watch anime are too spooked and stupid to torrent.
Most people that are current anime fans got into it via TV, and new anime fans usually just use Crunchyroll or something
You know the kiddies on places like MAL and online forums and even damn gaming forums who love anime? They're consumers too. We're consumers as well. Any westerner who has an interest in anime is a potential sale. NEETfags and richfags here make purchases all the time. I've been a return customer to AmiAmi myself. Sure it's not going to be the perfect gigantic market that every business wants, but the point is that I've got currency and I'm willing to pay for the shows I enjoy if I don't have to pay an arm and a leg just to enjoy them without all the bells n' whistles in terms of extra goodies like posters and whatnot. If I want extra bits and pieces like Steins;Gate the Drinking Glass or YuruYuri the SSD, I'll pay the extra I have to for it.
so fahnny joak
that people that buy anime, which are the only people that matter, all dl anime, watch them kill their sales when they kill anime overseas and then secretly let new dling/streaming sites pop up because they realised what a stupid fucking mistake they made
>MUH 6 GORILLON DOLLAS LOST TO PIRACY
Why the fuck do they always assume people would have bought this in the first place. Hell if I see something I still wouldn't waste my money trying to buy it. I'd just ignore it and forget about it.
Wishful thinking, anon. Every time you make it marginally harder to pirate anything, the most retarded users are unable to migrate. They are also the ones most likely to be parted with their money, so they are the users the legal streaming services actually want. Look how many people pay for music on iTunes just for convenience's sake. It's not like those people are going to miss the shows that don't get licensed anyway; they probably won't even hear about them.
The problem is Japan assumes it can support an entire industry on the backs of obsessive rich otaku alone, and do not make reasonably priced BDs available for regular consumers to draw them in and grow profit.
Piracy is not the reason no one is paying.
9/10 made me edit this picture in return
>90% of people that watch anime are too spooked and stupid to torrent.
I'm going to use an example to illustrate why you are stupid.
If we look at one of the more popular shows this season (I'm going to use SAO II because reasons), and look at the initial torrent available for English language subs, there were over 126,000 downloads across all the 480p, 720p, and 1080p releases of Horriblesubs. Think about that. 126,000 people torrented this episode, just from Horriblesubs' torrent, it in the time between initial episode release and now (just a few days). If you add up Commie subs and other minor groups, it comes to more like 140,000 people torrenting this episode. Wait a week and it will be 50% higher. Some of the first season SAO episodes have over 200,000 downloads for just the 720p Horriblesubs release alone.
So basically, you're saying that 200,000 people is 10% of the number of English-speaking people who actually watch SAO. In other words, 2 million people, across America, the UK, Australia, and the minor English-speaking countries of the world, are actively following popular Japanese anime? 2 million? Really.
Imma call bullshit on this one.
ASCII comic thing.
>I have no idea how many sites there eare in China, but killing them all off's impossible.
>It's not like they would listen even if you call for all of them to be deleted...
>I mean, like, it's China, you know?
>Heck, more importantly, open CR up to Japan...
>Why the heck does CR have better video quality...
>It's so shitty on NicoVid and Bandai Channel.
Randomly picked from first 50.
>It's all over for the rural folks.
>Don't they just have to wait a week for Niconico?
>Rurals can watch most anime via BS or Niconico anyway.
>Well, it's not likely that disc sales will go up thanks to that, though.
>No way they can crush any chink sites.
>It's not like you can't just proxy for CR
>They can go ahead and crush them, but how about addressing the timeslot and location lock problem first?
>250's barely anything, lol
>Crush those from China and Korea, I don't care about the rest
>560b yen's enough for 28k episodes of 30 minutes anime at 20m each. Wha...
>Go ahead, but they're way too late.
>Get a site that broadcasts ASAP first, illegal distribution's never going to end otherwise.
>^(reply) That's exactly what CR is, but non-premium have to watch for a week. And that's with ads. So if you're not paying, you can only go watch it on pirate sites.
>buying music on itunes
Bullshit, all my normalfag friends went back to buying CDs and do so from the artist's sites. Half the time the alternate options to piracy are more effort than theyre worth.
Considering the popularity of direct download sites, even in a post-megaupload world, as well as streaming sites... I don't know if it's 10% who torrent, but that's actually pretty scary when you think about it. Next time you're walking down the street in Australia, or America, look at the person to your left and look at the person to your right. Two of you watch Sword Art Online.
>massive consumer base
>huge industry worth more domestically than its equivalents in other nations (bigger than American comics in America, Franco-Belgian comics in Europe, etc.)
>$599 US dollars for 12 episodes
>most shows barely turn a profit
>only bought by otaku without any financial responsibilities to spend their money on
Why are elevens so stupid?
For ultrapopular kiddie bullshit like SAO? 2 million is nothing. I'd put it at 10 or 20. Maybe much more.
I think you don't even know of the lowest (and most expansive, which is more important) layer of uberplebs who pass it to their friends through a pendrive after downloading 50MB encodes from Rapidshare.
There's a shitload of those dudes. You know, the ones who watch five shows, go to one of those shitty cons, play a couple translated vidya adaptations and then go around saying they love anime. Those. They're very very numerous. At this point in time and since a few years back you'll always find at least a handful of them in any school over the whole world.
>look at the person to your left and look at the person to your right. Two of you watch Sword Art Online.
The whole point of the ATM is to be able to get money when banks aren't open.
>2 million worldwide
That's actually pretty easy to buy, especially considering China (many comp users there are tech-illiterate and would be streamfags). My concern is if they go after fansubs and raw providers hard. Still though I think that just doing this pretty much just challenges new raw uploaders to spring up as a fuck-you kneejerk response, so I think we'll be ok.
So you put the ATM in a foyer area that is separate from the main lobby of the bank and it provides light, heating and security cameras; which gives it a sense of safety as well as an actual deterrent to a potential robbery.
Yes. Pick up any recent release (or raw) from nyaa and look at the peers.
Compare the convenience of setting up a video recorder or staying up at midnight to watch anime versus an automated RSS downloader.
But that is the singular purpose for which they were created, putting them on the inside of the bank defeats that.
They make cameras you can put on the outside of buildings, you know.
>DVD/BD sales are the only source of profit for anime production.
On top of a lot of light novel and manga adaptations being funded partly by the publishers for the sake of promoting a product, commercial revenue and revenue from toys and merchandise related to the show are also a major factor in how 'profitable' a series is. Symphogear, for one, got multiple seasons largely because of CD sales. And Total Eclipse got its funding because Kouki shoved toy sales in the faces of skeptical CEOs.
>Next time you're walking down the street in Australia, look at the person to your left and look at the person to your right. Two of you watch Sword Art Online.
What the fuck, Australia?
>But that is the singular purpose for which they were created, putting them on the inside of the bank defeats that.
ATMs are made so you don't have to wait in line for a fucking hour while some jew slowly count your money. It's call fast withdrawl for a reason you fuck.
If you look at pretty much any anime - related page on that shit hole, it's full of SAO. The fanbase for the show jives pretty well with the sort of users who frequent Facebook. I'd consider it a pretty decent rough estimate.
Thank you, oldfag-senpai
I've seen some japanese IPs in the peer list but they aren't many. I just thought it wasn't that common...
I don't know about shitty second-rate banks, but the bank I work at has video cameras showing the area all around the ATM's
Pretty much the safest place in the neighborhood is anywhere near the ATM.
Apparently SAO was pretty popular with the Kangaroos and Dingos. I guess it's the only thing left for them to watch now that the crocodile hunter guy has been dead for so long.
That's not how it works retard. Anime has been dead with the general populace for yeas now since it's heyday back when you had Gundam, DBZ, Sailor Moon, and etc coming on tv back in the 90s. Networks pretty much killed all that stuff in the quest for more profits over time with live action and shitty cartoons.
In the times since then all you have are those who loved the art form after getting exposed to it back then. They formed communities and subbed anime that were never going to see the light of day over here. As time went on more and more people joined the communities as many were still kids when anime was airing in the 90s.
This is where the anime scene is now these communities who sub and share anime. It's only gotten slightly bigger again because some anime enthusiasts from back then managed to get some anime back on the tv (toonami, Ani-Monday,etc). But it's a pathetic poultry amount that barely even scratches 1% of the anime that's out there.
If you hit these communities you've pretty much killed anime in the west. No more fucking expose when there's nothing to talk about. Because nobody is gonna be discussing the new naruto episode on toonami day and night. And many aren't that stupid/rich to import anime from japan that's un-subbed, and costs over $600 in most cases.
So only, say, one to five percent of people around the whole world who watch SAO haven't clicked likeylikey?
Do you seriously consider that?
Because one of us is wronger than the other and I'd like to know who.
While I don't think this will affect Nyaa, this kind of shit is why I fear the extreme centralization of the anime scene.
Centralization It has its pros, mind you, the anime scene is far more focused and standard-driven than other scenes and in general it helps to develop a community around it. It's easier for users to track the releases down, etc. There's a problem, though. You are putting all your eggs in one basket and thinking nothing will ever happen to Nyaa is more than just wishful thinking, it's borderline stupid.
Of course, even if Nyaa were to go down, another service will resurface eventually, but everything will be thrown into disarray until that happens. This is a serious issue and we have people actively trying to centralize the scene even more, I'm just hoping that when shit hits the fan we are able to weather the storm somewhat gracefully.
>Do you seriously consider that?
Yes, I do. Look at some recent huge sellers in Japan like Bakemonogatari or Madoka. They each have about 50k likes a piece on Facebook, nowhere near the 2m that SAO has. Again, the sort of people who watch SAO are the sort of people who frequent Facebook and want to show their shit taste to the world.
and nothing will fucking happen. I've been to many steaming sites before and some of these sites pretty much have the same fucking layout. In short, there's probably a few fuckers who will stop one site and simply make a new copy in a few hours or something.
>going to streaming site
yeah yeah I know. it was a long time ago
It's funny because if you look back and try to find some of the old animes you will never find them. When was the last time someone mention Masakazu Katsura's older work despite the fact that he did just as much as Toriyama.
What's a VPN?
Chances are if it's a Jap IP using BitComet or Thunder, it's a chink.
Rebuilding Nyaa won't be that bad because it's a public tracker and can easily be turned into a magnet-only site and return. The worst are those people who take sites like Animebytes for granted. It's fucking retarded how some really old shit is only seeded there and people are content with that.
OMG THEY GONNA SEND A...NOTICE!!! EVERYONE START PANIC!! THEY SEND A DANGEROUS TEXT!!
SOMEONE NEED COPY SADPANDA AND BACKUP 1TB OF PORN!! BUT YOU GUYS DO IT! I AM TOO LAZY!!
Here's a list from a random eroge I just picked off sukebei.
Runs your connection through another network, so it looks like the traffic's coming from there instead.
Even if nyaa goes, a resident dev on /a/ can write a bot that puts magnet links in an irc. And another one to submit a patch to add that functionality (fetch links from irc) to an existing torrent client.
The bottom line is that all you need to share a torrent is a textfile, and the ways to share that are dime-a-dozen.
>That's not how it works retard. Anime has been dead with the general populace for yeas now since it's heyday back when you had Gundam, DBZ, Sailor Moon, and etc coming on tv back in the 90s. Networks pretty much killed all that stuff in the quest for more profits over time with live action and shitty cartoons.
You're an idiot if you don't think that anime is more popular than ever in the West. Fans are just that much more versed in technology and understand that they'll have to download/stream/order DVDs in order to see their anime.