Why is Momoka praised on /a/ while Yura is not? Aren't they basically the same?
wow, it's like you haven't watched either shows at all
They're both protagonists of an airsoft show who are forced into the airsoft club where they turn out to be the best airsoft players of said clubs, but the similarities pretty much end there.
Sabagebu is a comedy, so Momoka's personality is not out of place or edgy. It's meant for humor, it's not trying to be philosophical or deep like C3bu was.
OUT DAMN SPOT
But Yura has far sexier body. Ask your boner, you knows it's true.
Yura and Momoka aren't praised.
I loved both of them.
Can't really understand people who hate on C3.
The difference is that Momoka is having fun.
Yura is just being edgy to impress her peers. Momoka doesn't care how her peers think about her. She simply happens to have a violent personality.
I'm pretty sure Yura could take Mokarin~ or the whole Sabagebu.
SEE THREE BOO
Top kek. Momoka can only win against grannys and kids.
>Momoka isn't a try hard, no fun allowed edge lord who takes everything seriously.
Yura didn't become like this because she wanted to.
>I honestly believe it would fair better if its K-On! with guns.
It would lose everything that makes it so special, though.
The only major issue I have with C3 is its ending. With all the development, you would think they wouldn't end it with a non-ending.
You can't deny that some episodes were really great, though.
It's funny, but Yura has more in similar with an archer than a shooter. The whole Japanese "envision your target being hit" archery schtick and all that.
>yfw Yura is Shirou
Thing is, episode 4 WAS great
It just had literally fuck-all to do with what the series turned into
The show was basically split between 3 kinds of anime, a cheery SoL, a fantasy show, and a melodrama, and the fantasy chunk was the thin layer between the other two
Apart from them using airsoft guns in their clubs and having flights of fancy during gun battles, the two shows have different approaches and premises.
Momoka is praised as a violent comical character in a violent comical show.
Yura is criticized (by some) as a angsty character in what they wanted to be a happy moesoft show. Cue 'forced drama' and all the usual butthurt pseudo-criticism from entitled moefags.
Yura isn't above a little back shooting either
I'd summon her as an Archer anyday.
And also gently refill her magical energy
Just read Heart of Darkness or watch Apocalypse Now
Unless the idea of shooting and setting aflame people excites you
A more important question here is:
Can Sonora take on Miou?
Spec Ops actually completely failed to deliver its message for me.
I don't play games for power fantasy. I play games for gameplay and story. If you talk about in-character motivation, I'd say I carried on to protect Lugo and Adams, because I didn't have an option to pull out. If you talk about OOC motivation, it was to explore the game in its entirety.
Such a hypocrite game, really - not giving you an in-game choice of going back, and then blaming you for not quitting the game. I enjoyed it still, though.
Such a hypocrite game, really - not giving you an in-game choice of going back, and then blaming you for not quitting the game
That's kinda the point though. It's taking a jab at other shooters that are just FUCK YEAH, AMERICA NUMBER 1, SHOOT BROWN PEOPLE, TRAITORS ARE ALL JAMES BOND CHARACTERS
>Yura is criticized (by some) as a angsty character in what they wanted to be a happy moesoft show.
This is true for the Elevens, but not on /a/.
Everyone here wanted the Evangelion of cute girls doing cute things but all we got was "haha we made up isn't that cool?" and some shitty beauty contest. The last three episodes could've been so much more.
I'm not complaing.
Wasn't self-inserting, liked the plot, liked the established character, didn't like the fact the game does absolutely everything in its power to tell you "you are a shithead for continuing to play". I enjoy the story, I enjoy the characters, why should I stop playing?
It was more obnoxious than A Series of Unfortunate Events with its shit (though, that's not really a fair comparison, because A Series of Unfortunate Events was a superb read).
I stopped playing Spec Ops before it did anything interesting because I pretty much never played a single military cover shooter in my life, so I couldn't stand the gameplay, and even if I did, the themes would probably be lost on me.
Still no scans of the middle school manga around?
In Japanese both of them are about ???? - they don't play "airsoft", they all play "survival games", this was actually why some of the puns didn't work all that well in english since translators usually went with "airsoft" as a more common western term for these games.
Also both shows have delusions, just one of them tried to make them a plot point (and arguably failed in that respect).
Yep, pretty much the only option in these cases was to drop the adapted word altogether.
Then there's one character who really deserved much more screen time than she actually got (read: almost none at all).
I'm surprised the manga artist would want to draw broken Yura.
I think Midori considers the anime pretty fun in its own regard, she seems to be that kind of a person.
Speaking of her, she made some Line stickers it seems, though sadly not C3bu, but the style is nevertheless similar - https://store.line.me/stickershop/product/1004480/en - not that I use line, but some probably do.
Correction: they're both from shows that started out pretty damn good but went awry each in their own way. Granted, still fun in their own regards, but C3bu went misdirected in general and Sabagebu became really repetitive and frankly kind of boring after a few episodes.
The lack of production budget didn't help either show as well.
Agreed, let's not forget Yura can even change history.
That one part of Sabagebu where the narrator makes a remark about doing absolutely anything to win, even if it means going zombie reminds me of Yura.
I really want to see Yura and Momoka join forces. I'll bet both of them will wreck shit together.
C3 was utter fucking garbage, Yura was a horrible MC who betrayed her friends, Momoka is love and Sabagebu is miles better.
>I was in charge of episode 4 and 12
Episode 4 was kinda interesting, out of the blue mindfuck
Episode 12 was cute girls standing in the window and playing sport commentators
So much wasted potential
I love Yura. It's a shame that her mind finally completely snapped and she started living in her fantasy world full time.
I feel that it's actually good. C3bu is ultimately a character study, while sabagebu is purely a comedy. However, most if not all of the summaries of C3bu does imply K-on with guns, or something more like sabagebu. I certainly didn't expect the drama, but that didn't stop me from enjoying it.
Btw sabagebu is also pretty good,for being what some here wanted c3bu to actually be (in a good way,obviously).
Seriously though, why the FUCK did they have Yura talk to a fucking ghost/god thing and CHANGE HISTORY, just to completely drop that entire thing until the end where it's mentioned for all of a half dozen throwaway lines?
They could have either a) NOT DONE THAT or b) actually run with the concept and made something of it.
Also, the misleading first episode's fight, which was slow, methodical, grounded and jazzy as opposed to all the rest's "THIS HAPPENED THEN THIS HAPPENED WHERE WAS EVERYONE AGAIN OH WHO CARES HAVE SOME SHITTY GENERIC SoL MUSIC" was just pathetic.
Yura was just doing what seemed right with the awful advice she'd been given. Her actions were still her own, but she was manipulated into them by Sonora's shitty mentoring. Yura was a frail being and Sonora betrayed Yura just as much as Yura betrayed everyone else.
Sonora was never some paragon of the great leader anyway, but her leadership worked with the rest of the girls. Yura just wasn't like the rest, and Sonora had no idea how to handle this.
Her decision to let things unfold on its own turned out to be wrong, and devastating to Yura's own judgement, but it's not her fault, that Yura misinterpreted everyting she was told, and got obsessed with the victory, even at the expense of the very reason why she has joined the club. To find some friends, and enjoy the time spent with them.
>turns into an edgemaster and later "redeems" herself
>mercilessly shoots people in the back without giving a fuck even before she joined sabagu club
honestly if yura had stayed on the dark side I would have praised her every day, anime needs more cruel and merciless characters just to balance out the fucking carebears otherwise shit's kinda boring yo
Eh? To me it seemed like she only joined because she liked fantasy battles. Also the club only wanted her because she's a "weirdo". The foundation the their friendship didn't seem that strong, which is why it was so easily broken.
>Sonora was never some paragon of the great leader anyway
>hey this chick is being convinced that winning is everything by my rival
>lets just sit back and do nothing
>and once it gets bad enough talk to her about having "fun" with "friends"
Yura joined because these battles were fun. She found something that made her actually enjoy the time she has spent with the others.
Others scouted her just to fill their ranks, because survival games really isn't a thing on prestigeous girl academy. But after Sonora saw Yura's potential, she tried to actually involve her and work on that potential of hers
I guess that you actually meant
>lets tell her that it's not important to win, but to not give up, and enjoy the battle regardless the outcome
It's not like Sonora was not conveniently put into hospital bed the moment Yura needed her the most. And when she has returned, Yura was already on the "dark side"
This is where the manga managed to present and solve the whole deal thousand times better than the anime.
I dropped C3 when Yura cut her hair. What a stupid decision.
>What a stupid decision
It really was, short haired Yura was perfection.
Nisio raped your mom, or something?
Nope, all I remember is them talking as if playing airsoft and training with real guns are the same. Fucking airsofters, they think they're marines just because they use toys.
>telling the gender by the hairstyle
Sonora' advice is fucked up. Yura should be able to find he own reason to play airsoft. If the way Yura likes to play doesn't fit with the team, they should of not let her join in the first place. It's lame that Sonora crams her ideals down her throat.
>The last three episodes could've been so much more.
>This shitfuck thought and wanted there would be a school shooting or some other edgy shit.
>I'm quoting the situation.
What was nice about C3-bu was that it dealt with a somewhat mentally "sensitive" girl who got pretty seriously obsessed over a hobby she was talented in, but nevertheless managed to heal via reflection and the help of her friends. I'd say she barely turned from the point where she would have needed some serious psychotherapy. All of the other characters not taking part in her edginess, and even the "villainy" black haired girl coming out to be just an uptight high school girl was what made the story believable, down to earth, and hence enjoyable.
(Leaving aside all the unrealistic physical feats and all of course.)
It didn't have the highest quality overall, but it had a unique idea, and was made with
Yura's reason was to play because the games were fun. Match with Meisei was not fun, and Yura did the best thing she knew. She gave up.
If you preferred the shy flower, that is to be babysitted by her surroundings, sure, Sonora should have leave her alone after the match. But she actually told her that there is no need to be afraid, nothing to run away from. That it is still just a game.
She didn't saw the same thing that we saw. She didn't seen the tournament turning into the battlefield in Yura's head. She just saw girl who gave up, because Rin went on her with some psychological warfare.
Laidback tomboy trying to mentor shy introvert is "elephant in the porcelain" situation, but Sonora was doing it for Yura's sake.
I understand your point now and agree but I still think it's odd Sonora assumes giving up is always bad. Is there a point to keep playing chess if you lost all your pieces except your king? Would it be fun to continue playing in that situation?
The problem here is that when Sonora says "you can't give up like that!" she's trying to tell Yura not to be a spineless faggot but not that she should turn bat-fuck obsessed over the game and disregard her own and everyone else's health.
Everything is good in moderation. Motivation to win included. Yura first had none of it, then took Sonora WAY too seriously and turned unstable.
Sonora did nothing wrong.
She uses a Skorpion and thats not a clip, it's a drum mag. The drum mag only carries 370 BBs and the gun itself is really light so its not heavy at all. Yura wouldn't really need 2 drum mags per game unless shes spraying like a retard or in on of those hour long games outdoors.
Why do they call it a drum "mag" and invent new terms for known stuff rather then call it a drum clip? Normal people understand clips of ammo and even if the clip is circular like tupperware that shouldn't need a confusing new category like guns are some secret club. Do the people naming even understand guns? This happens all the time, I've played a lot of fps all the way since counter strike and it really pisses me off when players add unrealistic mods and shit. Like taking the shotgun and making the spread really tight even at 100 ft or giving it armor piercing ammo option because I LUV SHUTGUN XD. Guess anime writers need to play some more games too.
Because the mural changed, and noone else remembered the original version of the story (which they themselves had told Yura).
Also that one time Rento stumbled into Yura's reality marble.
It was covered at the end of episode four. Before her "delusion", Choujirou's legend was of a great hero who died during a brave last stand. Afterwards, it was of a great hero who lived well into old age. Because Yura saved him.
The other C3-bu girls comment on him living to old age really casually at the end of the episode, like it's always been that way, even though Yura knows it was different before.
Anon, do you understand the difference between the magazine and the clip?
Even sniper loli could win this one.
The drama is what ruined it, I'm glad it sold like 900 BD's or something.
the only unrealistic thing was the resoution.
watch the episode 11 and tweleve again and tell me it wasn't an asspull because the author didn't want to get off his high horse and make the other characters get more involved than snide-commentary.
It's taking a jab at other shooters that are just FUCK YEAH, AMERICA NUMBER 1, SHOOT BROWN PEOPLE, TRAITORS ARE ALL JAMES BOND CHARACTERS Except this was never the case. Plenty of other shooters, even CoD - ESPECIALLY CoD - have done the whole MURRIKA BAD plot. The Line innovated precisely nothing in regards to both story and gameplay and called you a shitheel for buying it to boot.
It's like Madoka where it tries to subvert a genre without realizing the genre already pulled that subversion decades ago and so the only people who praise it as "dark" and "deep" and "not like other shooters/magical girl shows" are people who never bothered with the genre in the first place.
It's farcical is what it is.
Yura pleases old men for money.
>Would it be better if Yura sucked at airsoft and just gave up?
yes, at least she would've been able to make friends and forget about that stupid shit before everything went to hell.
It's okay, Yura needed to sort through her internal issues to discover who she really was. Besides, I was happy to see everything about her laid bare through the troubles so that I could learn about such a wonderful little lady. She got her happy end and she worked hard for it.
>Everything is good in moderation. Motivation to win included.
>Sonora did nothing wrong.
Failing to encourage motivation to win in moderation is the very first thing Sonora did wrong, though. After Yura's surrender, Rin told Yura that Yura has no resolve, that her attitude is despicable, and that she shouldn't dare to even play airsoft if she's not going to play to win. Sonora shows up right at that moment and says she completely agrees with Rin, and continues to lecture Yura. That's not encouraging a desire to win in moderation, that's over-dramatic and manipulative.
Further, when Sonora observes that her (well-intentioned) advice is going awry during the island match against the Kansai team, she decides not to step in and talk to Yura even though Sonora can tell it's her advice causing the problem. Sonora would later admit to her involvement in Yura's descent in her private talk with Rin in episode 11, saying she convinced herself she was fine with everything including the situation with Yura.
You're right that Sonora was ultimately trying to encourage Yura to better herself and have more resolve. Her intentions were always good, but her execution was continually terrible. That's what she did wrong.
>Failing to encourage motivation to win in moderation is the very first thing Sonora did wrong, though.
It's Yura who was fucked up. Sonora gave generic motivational speech.
>That's not encouraging a desire to win in moderation, that's over-dramatic and manipulative.
That might have come off like that; I don't care enough to go and rewatch the scene to make up my mind. But as it was later revealed, even Rin was not nearly as obsessed as Yura became, so I'd still say they just tried to turn her less spineless. It's not like they continuously treated her like that either, it was just one moment, and otherwise they were all having fun.
>Sonora would later admit to her involvement in Yura's descent in her private talk with Rin in episode 11, saying she convinced herself she was fine with everything including the situation with Yura.
Blaming herself is natural, since she was part of the "trigger" to what happened.
>Her intentions were always good, but her execution was continually terrible.
I still think she was rightful in her disbelief that Yura would turn that crazy.
>But as it was later revealed, even Rin was not nearly as obsessed as Yura became, so I'd still say they just tried to turn her less spineless.
I don't really trust what Rin has to say on resolve or the desire to win anyway considering she can't keep her own ideals in order. Pic related, she flip-flops on the issue and contradicts herself when things get out of hand with Yura.
>It's Yura who was fucked up. Sonora gave generic motivational speech.
>Blaming herself is natural, since she was part of the "trigger" to what happened.
That's what I'm trying to say, basically. Yura isn't blameless in her own descent because obviously her actions are her own, but removing Sonora from the equation entirely by saying she did nothing wrong isn't fair. Sonora's shortcomings as a senpai were an important factor in the story. She had plenty of opportunities to ameliorate a situation she had an role in triggering, but she simply watched it happen.
Anon, I've been saying this for quite time, and I'll say it again - can we really be sure that Haruna Rin didn't just frame a random guy for the Sonora shooting? I mean, it is very, very suspicious that it was her who caught him in the first place.
He may be responsible for the other shootings, I won't deny or agree with it, but Rin being there when Sonora shooting happened can't be just a coincidence.
>Rin being there when Sonora shooting happened can't be just a coincidence
"Coincidences can't happen" is the kind of fallacy that leads to crap as retarded as creationism and homeopathy. Please be careful with that.
Interesting enough, on paper Sabagebu shouldn't be the better show, but it is. Remove the airsoft elements from C3bu and it's just a slice-of-life friend drama. Which is fine, but there's inherently little take-away there.
Sabagebu on the other than is comedy so even without the airsoft elements (which is purposely downplayed anyhow) it's still funny. There's just more take-away for comedy than there is drama.
Of course that wasn't Rin, for all I care that was Miyagi.
Writing off Miyagi was a big mistake really, the events were fairly similar and she was the one who brought Yura back after Yura helped her atone for the shooting incident. The random shooter always bothered me because it was just completely pointless and out of the blue, but it made sense after the manga since they kept the event, but not the character.
For what it's worth, the manga might have been a bit generic and not as WILD RIDE as the anime, but the character development and the plot made so much more sense and everything was tied up in a logical and consistent manner. Sadly the anime decided to fuck that up even though it could have pulled off the wild ride without fucking that up.
Reminder that because Yura's delusions can actually change reality there may be a Rento-dog still wandering Japan.
No, one confirmed hit.
I wonder, if Yachiyo was given something like a flamethrower, woud she still miss?
C3bu could have been good with its dramatic view but decided to discard everything at the last two episodes. Waste of broadcast signal.
Sabagebu doesn't take itself seriously from the get go and is actually fun to watch.
Is it just me or did Sabagebu get stale? A lot of the episode parts are either flat out boring or too predictable. Feels like the initial shock of the first episodes has settled in already and there's not much else to offer...
Last episode was really good but the last 3 or so episodes before that were kind of boring and stale.
It kind of reminds me of Gintama, which is fucking gold when it's good but there are a good chunk of episodes which are kind of a miss.
Because she's cute and lewd and she sleeps nakes with her gun and she's a quarter and she has god tier legs and a delicious flat chest.
What, did you expect me to argue with you or something?
If Momoka fought Dark Yura in a game of airsoft, what do you think would happen?
I like to think Momoka would throw away her gun, punch Yura in the face, tell her she's not living her life correctly then take pictures of her on the ground crying and post them online before walking away laughing.
It's gotta be tears though cause they're not in the first image and the second image takes place after the first. Also note the wet eye cover, if it was sweaty it'd be sweaty in the first image as well. It's only wet because she starts crying after rento leaves.
I actually have the entire thing screencapped from way back when. It's not wet at all through most of the scene.
Her eyeband is not wet at least until she says "Here, they acknowledge my victory."
Her band isn't wet yet then. She's definitely crying though, if it was sweat it'd already be wet before then. That means she starts crying at "I don't need it" and it's shown to be fully bathed in tears at "They acknowledge my victory".
She cried so much the entire clothe was soaked in tears.
That image leaves out an important frame though. The very first appearance of the dampness in the scene (pictured) comes from the top and upper sides of the blindfold, which isn't where tears would begin to soak through. It looks more like it's coming from her forehead and temples.
How the hell does one become sweaty from standing in one place and shooting an airsoft gun anyway?
I can give the benefit of doubt to bloody hands (calluses can be a tough bitch, especially if they tear), but this shit just makes no sense.
>How the hell does one become sweaty from standing in one place and shooting an airsoft gun anyway?
Intense concentration? I don't know, but she is definitely sweating in the scene. Look here, at the "Lots of cookies, too." frame: >>113320252
She's got what are definitely beads of sweat at the back of her jaw and neck there, those at the least are certainly not tears.
She might be both sweating and crying, though. Does the idiom "blood, sweat, and tears" exist in Japanese?
The advice from Sonora and Rin is so contradictory. No wonder it screwed Yura up.
You HAVE to try to win
You CAN'T every give up
But it's also just about having fun
But it's also just a game
Actually, the advice was pretty straightforward.
When playing, put all of your effort into the game. Do not surrender prematurely. Play the game until the bitter end.
This way, you will feel satisfied with what you are doing no matter whether you lose or win.
But since it formed after she was shooting it has to be crying right? It would form while shooting if it was sweat. Of course she could also be sweating out of nervousness and crying.
>When playing, put all of your effort into the game. Do not surrender prematurely. Play the game until the bitter end.
Isn't this how dark Yura played? Other than the one time she zombied?
She played to win.
Look, just think about it like, I dunno, competitive games, I guess? Throwing a game is considered unseemly conduct. Cheating to win is also considered unseemly conduct.
It's a game where you compare your skill with that one of the opponent.
Do not insult your opponent and conform to accepted rules.
Be polite. Be professional. Have a plan to hitto everyone you meet.
Yura is the protagonist of a sports anime, Momoka is the protagonist of a comedy adapted from a shoujo manga. They're not similar at all.
They're not comparable either so stop fucking comparing the two. It's like trying to say that Galaxy Angel is a better mecha anime than Gundam.
>Actually, the advice was pretty straightforward.
Rin: You'll do anything to win, just like me.
Yura: I'll do anything to win, just like you.
Rin: You're just forcing your ideals on me.
Sonora's advice-giving is reasonably straightforward, but Rin backpedals when confronted with her own words.
Ironically Yura put a whole bunch of effort into her plans for the tournament. And her teamates bitched about TOO much effort. Her effort caused them to nearly beat Rin's team, something Sonora never accomplished. She only made two mistakes, giving up once and being a zombie. Yet viewers and the characters view her as a shitty friend for some reason. Judging a social inept noob that only played like 5 games and got odd advice.
Well, yeah, but Rin is just a lying manipulative bitch who backpedals not only on her own words, but on her own ideals themselves, when confronted with what is a logical conclusion of her ideals taken to extreme (i.e. Yura and her philosophy of playing to win).
I can forgive Rin this one, because it's such a little thing compared to her other wrongs, it's not even worth mentioning.
Well, yeah, C3 club in general is just like competitive games' cancer - they want to win, but they don't want to put any effort into it. Truly the worst.
Only Rento was someone who truly supported Yura, no matter what, and for that I can respect her.
The thing I hate about this series though, it wasn't really Yura's fault too much. Yeah she was in control of her actions, but it's her "friends" unwillingness to truly include her and instead just threw the sport at her. Instead of trying to make sure she was having fun, they kept quiet when they saw something they thought was wrong, especially Sonora who ran away from all her problems with her. No one tried to talk to Yura, no one tried to get on her level, no one said "Yura I can tell you're not really having fun" "Yura, we're not having fun if you play this way" "Yura, you got my initial advice wrong".
Yura was a clueless non-social person before this. She literally had no friends. Sure these people couldn't have known that but they could at least have recognized she was shy and needs people to talk to her to get her moving the right way.
Oh, and to top it all off when they do decide to finally speak up, it's only to get mad at here and basically demean her and squash all her efforts. These were not good friends. Only Rento ever tried to communicate with Yura and by then it was sorta too late. I think.
>Only Rento ever tried to communicate with Yura and by then it was sorta too late. I think.
It was, but I have a hard time faulting Rento for her failure in that regard. She tried her best to keep the peace and showed easily the most compassion and goodwill out of anyone on the team. She just wasn't sure how to help Yura, probably because she didn't really understand what was going through Yura's head at the time.
Was agreeing with Rin's statement in this part the right thing for Sonora to do?