>bullies anyone taking advantage over Shirou, behind his back >invites him to the Matou residence once in a while >cares more about his well-being, more than Sakura and Issei >Sakura waived Rider to him because she's horrible and doesn't want anything to do with the HGW >Shinji sends Rider to intimidate Shirou, his exact orders to Rider was to scare him and not nail him to a tree or kick him out of a window >he even invites Shirou for an alliance but Rider's attack earlier kept him on his toes
>>115211776 Time to set the record straight again. Someone screen capture this excerpt from Complete Material 2:
>Shirou's friend Matou Shinji Nasu: At school, Shinji's grades are always in the top five. His grades are good and he's the eldest son of a family with a mansion in Miyama, so it feels like he's always got girls hanging onto him. They probably wouldn't hang out with him in university, but during the high school period he's the perfect subject to squee over. Plus he has money. Takeuchi: So it was about the money?! Ah, before and after the Grail War, did Shinji's mental state regarding Sakura or Shirou change? Nasu: Because he was called "useless" just for the body he was born with, becoming a Master was the best thing that ever happened to him. Leaving Sakura aside, maybe he seriously wanted to team up with Shirou. When Shinji says "I'll use you", it means he appreciates you. On the other hand, when Sakura summoned Rider, he was sulking like "I guess the time has come". But when he saw that Sakura didn't want to, he took a chance with nothing to lose and said to Zouken "leave it to me, not someone with no motivation" and the response was unexpectedly "all right". A huge turnabout for Shinji. Still, when Shinji who wasn't a magus said to Rider "I'm your Master from now on" he ended up getting rejected. So he had Sakura make the "book of the false attendant", and became able to command the strong Servant Rider. From then on his mind was finally at ease. Then he felt more lenient, like he could forgive a few things. Because of this, in "stay night", he became twice as unpleasant as the usual Shinji. Actually, the normal Shinji is not so violent (laugh). Takeuchi: He felt lenient, but he got worse? (laugh) Just how full of himself is Shinji?
There you have it, the truth about Shinji. The girls hang with him because he throws around cash.
>>115216221 >>115215717 >Hating Shinji I don't get why he gets all the hate on /a/. FSN is just written to make him out as the bad guy, when really he's no worse than any of the 'protagonists' and a better person than most of them.
What are the main complaints? He raped Sakura and stole Rider to use in the war?
Okay, let's get this straight. He never fucking raped Sakura. He never did it. He never did it. He never did it. He never did it. He fucked Sakura.
Let me ask you this. WHO IN THE GAME DIDN'T FUCK SAKURA? You can't even name one fucking character who hasn't plugged her loose cunt! She is the kind of bitch who will act like she doesn't want it when she really does. She'll say No! while having multiple orgasms. Shinji knew this, he's a fucking ladies man. He knows what filthy whores like Sakura want.
And there's this other big bitch you guys have with him. He supposedly stole Rider and used her in the war for his own greed.
Objection! He was worried about his one and only precious sister. Is keeping your loved ones from a brutal war so wrong? When Shirou does the same thing to Saber it's like 'oh he's so manly', but when Shinji does it it's wrong? He just wanted to protect Sakura. He probably was going to use his Holy Grail wish to tighten her cunt back up or cure her syphilis or something.
The story was written to make that faggot Shirou look good. Objectively, Shinji is a far better character than Shirou. At least he has the balls to take action decisively instead of dicking around like Shirou, and if he weren't stuck with the weak ass servant Rider and no plothax he probably would have won the war.
>>115216310 okay now, while i kinda agree that he is seen alot worse than he is, he wasnt a very nice guy. He may have had good intentions, but he went about them wrong. I dont think he could have won either, but thats simple opinions.
Why do I love Shinji so much? It's pretty simple when I think about it. Shinji isn't just the best character in the series, he might just be the greatest character of all time. Just imaging him walking through Fuyuki, all the ladies swoon at his very scent. They know how he smells, the essence of his smell is sold under the the name of "Matou Orgasm." The very nature of Shinji is mystery. could he be playing a deeper game than even his creator realizes? The answer is yes, he has transcended such boundaries as the written world, and has free will to do whatever he sees fit. However, Shinji is filled with such guile, such arcane craft that he does not even use these powers. Why, you might ask? You will never know, for the mind of the Shinji is not one that is easily penetrated. Shinji is such a force of nature in his realm that nothing can truly touch him, the only thing keeping him bound to the page at all is his will to exist within the preordained boundaries of his world. Shinji is not only beyond the comprehension of us, he exists within a plane of true focus and beauty. Observe his playful smile, his gourgeous and rippling biceps, his gallant nose, and most importantly, his eyes. His eyes, like pools of sapphire, provide the only glimpse into the true machinations of Shinji. Do not stare into them. Many good men have gone mad in the attempt. Shinji is not just a character, a formless collection of words and images, he is himself is the binding that holds the saga together. Without Shinji, the entire Fate series as we know them crumbles.
These are just of a few of the reasons why I like Shinji so much.
No, since Rin hears from Kotomine that the only slots left are Archer and Saber in the prologue, the summoning was obviously on the night of day 2.
Also you have this scene on day 3 of HF:
where Zouken is trying to coax Sakura into fighting, meaning Rider was already summoned since we see the same scene from Sakura's perspective saying she will hand over Rider to Shinji because she doesn't want to fight.
Moreover, to bring up the point again about Sakura not bring the one who set up the boundary field, unlike Shinji, she personally knows magecraft, so putting up a field at school, where she knows her sister is, wouldn't be something she would do logically, while Shinji wouldn't care. She has no need to do that anyway, seeing as she actually has power to give Rider, who would still be full after the summoning.
>>115216815 >he summoning was obviously on the night of day 2.
How does this make any fucking sense? Rin summons Archer on the night of Day 1. She gets that message on Day 1. How would it even be possible that Rider was summoned on Day 2 if Kotomine literally says the only ones left are Archer and Saber on Day 1?
We don't know when Rider was summoned, but it was obviously prior to Day 1.
>Moreover, to bring up the point again about Sakura not bring the one who set up the boundary field, unlike Shinji, she personally knows magecraft, so putting up a field at school, where she knows her sister is, wouldn't be something she would do logically, while Shinji wouldn't care.
This is just an assumption. For all we know Sakura is retarded and thought Rider's field would go unnoticed. Also, Rin was incapable of destroying it anyway so it didn't even matter if she noticed.
It's also possible Rider put it up for Sakura's protection without being asked to.
>>115216815 Actually, seeing that other anon's post about CM2, it seems she gave Rider to Shinji the same night she was summoned, so what happened would be that Zouken tried to entice her to fight even afterward. My mistake.
It was funny, but they had Diarmuid's Love Spot work on every female in Unlimited Codes but Leysritt, Bazett and Sakura. Two of those people have people they like, while the other is a homunculus. It's even worked on Iri and Caster, who should be head over heels for their beaus. Sakura's love is way too stronk.
>>115218137 You done fucked up calling Lancer shit man. And Minori is pretty bro, he politely asked Shirou what his senpai Sakura wanted for a present and is extremely respectful even if he is jealous of the guy.
>>115221656 >>115221838 >>115221620 Shinji tries to put up a fight but is completly wrecked by Shirou, who then kills his best friend because muh ideals. He then persists in becoming a superhero and becomes Archer
>End scene like All the Evils of the World and All the Good in This Life, only it's between Shirou and Shinji. >Shinji seeking to complete the grail behind him to fulfill his childhood dream of becoming recognized as a magus. >Shirou seeking to destroy the grail as he has now gone full MoS because everyone is dead. >Two failures of mages engaging in a useless folly >The fight is extremely one sided with Shirou continually pummeling Shinji. >"I may be a coward, but backing down and giving up now will make me bigger scum than I already am." >Shinji refuses to stay down, and Shirou ends up killing him. >Shirou lives the rest of his life as Archer.
>You will never see the adventures of Shriou, Shinji, and Issei as the fuckups of the magic world >Issei trying to find some kind of magic item that will free his brother from Caster's "spell" >Shinji trying to become capable of doing magic by any means necessary, including but not limited to rape, murder, and trolling on the internet >Shirou trying to fuck swords and save everyone
>>115228397 >Issei, Shinji, and Shirou all live in a cheap apartment near the clocktower >Shinji keeps trying to sneak into the clocktower to try to find shit to make him magic/hit on girls >Issei has a steady job and Shirou works a bunch of odd jobs, but Shinji (NEET) keeps spending all their money >Occasional guest appearances by Rin
>>115211776 >all stupid and/or desperate girls want him >smart girls like Rin tell him to fuck off FTFY Most of the time when you see assholes that are popular with girls, most of those girls that end up fauning for him aren't even that attractive and are way too easy to get anyway. The girls are that are actually worth pursuing usually see through that guy's bullshit and tell him to fuck off.
>>115229096 It's just a matter of taste. With Shirou's crew you've got the three best flavors to pick from >Super stern, serious Issei who has a position of power and gets all tsundere >Sweet, caring Shirou whose innocence is matched only by his willpower and desire to help others >Sauve, sexy Shinji who will sweep girls off their feet and leave them wanting even more
>>115229747 If we're being honest, Shinji probably knew everything that was going to happen. In every route he did whatever he had to do to make his bro Shirou get the best end possible. He spent all that time reading magical tomes for a reason.
>>115229877 Pretty much, it is no even Illya route because even for Fate route, Illya in the hot spring Taiga scene said that Shirou would unlikely to be Archer because she would be with him.
>Taiga:...Wait. Does that mean there's a big danger of Shirou becoming Archer-san in this route? >Ilya:That would depend on how Shirou lives. >Well, I think that's a pretty small possibility. I'm by his side, after all.
>there will never, EVER be a 4th F/SN route where Shriou and Shinji team up to win the grail war together as best bros and spitroast Rider, Sakura, and Saber on different occasions, and have a big orgy with them and a mindbroken Tohsaka after killing Archer
>>115229747 Actually, Shirou had already been chosen as a master by then, so he'd probably summon Saber that night when he went to do his daily magic training. It would take longer for him to make allies with Rin (if at all) though.
>>115230093 I don't think there's any possibility of Shirou teaming up with Shinji during the grail war without drastically altering how things progress. You'd need a route where Shinji comes across Shirou before Rin, which wouldn't happen in any route where Rin saves him after being attacked by Lancer.
>>115230567 Rin might not have survived the fight with Lancer if Shirou hadn't blundered onto the scene. Without Rin explaining what the hell was going on Shirou would have been in a lot of trouble, as well.
>>115230791 He was about to gay bulge him, and Archer isn't really that strong of a servant physically. In the VN Archer was really only barely holding out in their fight, Lancer was just confused by the whole sword thing on top of the command seal preventing him from fighting properly.
>>115211776 Shinji is quite the subversion of the cliche butt-of-the-every-joke sidekick. Friends with the MC but only formerly. Plot-relevant. Popular without being the played-for-laughs bishie or the good looking self important rich douche who isn't actually popular.
>>115231114 The problem is that the minute Shinji starts pulling stuff like Rider's blood fort thing, Shirou isn't going to want to still be allies. And there's still the whole he was regularly raping his sister issue to deal with after that.
Shirou and Shinji really wouldn't be able to work together unless Shinji stops being Shinji.
>>115230680 Yeah, it confirms that Shirou was already a master by then. It would be only a metter of time befor he'd summon Saber, the ritual is merely a formality. The way I see, whenever Shirou would use magic used magic close to the circle, Saber would be summoned. Lancer being there was only a coincidence and had nothing to do with the summoning itself.
No, it was only against ranged Gae Bolg. Melee Gae Bolg is a different story. ------------- Fate/complete material II: Character Material - Characters: Lancer, p.070-073
Takeuchi: So, would Archer get hit?
Nasu: For sure. But since he knows about it, he wouldn’t approach Lancer in the first place. If it looked like Lancer was seriously getting ready to use Gae Bolg, Archer would already be frantically getting as far away as possible.
Takeuchi: Ah, I see. That sort of tactic is always an option, huh? So what about the thrown version?
Nasu: The “Spear of Striking Death Flight”. That one’s just pure, simple destructive power.
Takeuchi: As expected. If you added on the concept of heart-piercing at long range too, then…
Nasu: …it would end up being the ability of Lancer’s father. The ultimate version of Fragarach.
Takeuchi: Eternal Force Blizzard! And the target dies. Around that level.
Nasu: Naturally. Because the battles in mythology are freaking hax, right
>>115231324 Isn't sex like literally necessary for sakura's body to function? The only time shinji went full rape mode was in HF, and he promptly died for it. Blood fort is still a deal breaker for any alliance with shirou though
>>115231324 Or maybe Shirou had already gone full MoS and would be willing to sacrifice a few people. He should have already lost saber too, so he could actually gain something from alling with Shinji.
>>115231324 How about an alteration on Sakura's route in which Shinji gets screwed over by Zouken who takes Sakura? >Shirou meets Rider for the first time >Bonds with Shinji, realizing that he doesn't really want to kill him >Sakura's process begins after seeing him hanging out with Shinji, only this time Shirou doesn't notice it before it starts and Zouken has full control over her >Shinji rethinks his life, realizes what a piece of shit he's been and how much Zouken has fucked everyone over >Realizes he loves his sister and wants to save her >Magic shit happens
>>115231972 > Waver tries to summon Rider with the mantle but fails because there's already 8 servants > Rin gets the timing perfect on her summon but decides to try out the catalyst and gets fucking Gil > Bazett tries to summon Cu again gets Scathach as Caster instead > Shirou gets Seiba
> Waver spends the war playing video games and cursing japan > Rin spends the war trying to get Gil to listen to her without getting killed > Caster spends the war training the fuck out of Bazett while telling her about how he used to fuck Cu when he was 16 > Shirou spends the war cooking
> by the end of the war: > Gil finds the kaleidostick and fights as a magical girl > Bazett hulks out and punches somebody's head off > Waver gets mugged by yankees > Saber NTRs Rin > Shinji dies
I fucking hate Shinji, he's a beta piece of shit that has girls all over him yet all he does is talk to them like the faggot boy he is. When the tsu dere bitch in red, I don't even remember her name since she's such a shit character, says no to him, he tries to strangle-rape her. He has HUGE daddy issues to the point where he would rather hide in a fucking hole then talk to him, and he gets himself killed by being such a bitch in how many endings? His fucking voice makes me want to kill small children, and he makes the most cringe-inducing faces on the planet. Seriously, every tme this guy makes one of his faces I have to pause the episode and leave the computer, THAT'S how bad it is. His school uniform is shi, his hair is shit, and he probably wants to fuck that magic dude with the white hair since he's so fucking gay it hurts to even hear his name. Anno is a fucking hack.
>>115231114 Yeah, honestly, I can't really see Shinji as little more than baggage for Shirou. There's literally nothing Shinji has to offer him, so it would just be Shirou protecting a useless person all the time.
Although it would be interesting to see a sort of role reversal where rather than Shirou being guided by someone else, it's Shirou who's the one doing the guiding. Maybe, by hanging with Shirou, Shinji learns to be a better person, culminating in him pulling something truly impressive and selfless at the end while Shirou's, I dunno. Holding Kotomine off or something.
>>115232719 Shinji, whilst incapable of practising magecraft himself, has at least studied it a fair amount and brings that to the table. At the same time, Shinji's not exactly stupid, and only really fucks up when he gets overconfident and begins boasting, so he and Shirou could also hash out fairly competent plans between the two of them.
>>115233076 Little of Shinji's knowledge would be useful to Shirou. In fact, in terms of practical knowledge, Shirou should bring more to the table. And as far as knowledge of thaumaturgy goes, Rider should be even more useful.
At best, maybe Shinji could learn some Formalcraft, but I doubt he'd be able to do anything with just a week or so's worth of training. That is, unless he had a major knack for it or something.
>>115233485 It would be interesting if Shinji ended up practicing Formalcraft, but personally, I don't think thaumaturgy is right for him. The very fact that he hails from from clan of magi is like a curse for him. He'd probably be able to lead a much happier life without that baggage.
>>115233448 >Q: Shinji's mother is a "Carrier", what kind of pathogen is she carrying? Is she a "God's Holder"?
>A: No, nothing special of that sort. According to Zouken, she is the daughter of "a random third-rate magus". [Note: "Carriers" retain remnants of mysteries from the Age of Gods as pathogens like bacteria and viruses. The Fraga McRemitz lineage of course is an exceptionally powerful example, Shinji's mother unfortunately is of the bottom of the barrel.
>>115234440 Rin basically decides to not be a "proper" magus, hence her happiness. As long as Shirou is in her life in some fashion she'll never be able to bring herself to do any of the heinous bullshit expected of you as a magus.
>>115234440 Both of whom are oddities who haven't dedicated themselves entirely to their magecraft, like the majority of other mages do. They're happy because whilst being a magus interests them, it's essentially the foremost among their hobbies.
>>115234763 He was definitely taking advantage of her condition. Regardless of whether or not she physically enjoyed it, emotionally it was tearing her apart. Shinji knew how much it was harming her, hence why he threatened to tell Shirou about it.
Shinji had a shitty life, but that doesn't absolve him of all the terrible things he did.
>>115234897 Shinji >Raped Sakura >Raped Rider >Used Sakura as a hostage >Gets killed for his crimes Sakura >Kills dozens of innocent people >Erects a boundary field to drain people of their energy >Raped Rin with worms >Got forgiven and Shirou risked his life and the lives of an entire city to help her, giving her a happy ending
>>115235245 Yes? The difference is that Shinji didn't have the embodiment of all the world's sins living in his head, and that he never attempts to atone for anything he did.
Sakura's problem is she was the antagonist in her own route, and many people had issues continuing to protect her in spite of what she did. Part of the point of HF was that Shirou was determined to protect her anyway as per his unique style of madness.
>>115235491 Shinji also didn't get the luxury of having someone who was on his side no matter what trying to convince him to do the right thing. All he had was an empty house with a crazy old man and an Italian restaurant.
>>115235584 He had no one on his side because he was a worthless douchebag and nobody liked him that much. Maybe if he behaved himself like a person who deserved that kind of love, things would have been different.
>>115235491 I really hate people who try to justify Sakura's actions in HF with "but Angra Mainyu!"
I can't help but feel that oit demeans her as a character, because they've seemed to have built up some kind of mental image of a Sakura who's so two-dimensional and subservient that, when she's finally given the chance to act without restraint and lash out at those she felt wronged her, she wouldn't.
Which is fucking bullshit, because the knowledge that she would do (and does) so partly feeds into Sakura's own self-loathing.
>>115235812 Shinji was fairly well-liked at school, and was even friends with Shirou himself until they had a falling out. But all the normal friends in the world don't matter when your problems are all magical bullshit. The only people who knew about his problems as an heir were Rin, who openly shittalked him and aggravated the delicate situation, and Shirou, who completely stopped talking to him when he found out about Rider.
>>115235812 Not only that, but Shirou actually thought of him as close friend, but even then Shirou couldn't overlook Shinji's douchness with Sakura for any longer, what made them fight and Shirou quit the archery club. He had someone right by his side, but he fucked up all by himself.
>>115235874 >when she's finally given the chance to act without restraint and lash out at those she felt wronged her, she wouldn't.
Isn't that pretty much exactly how shit goes down, though? She takes control of the Shadow and throws her "tantrum", but doesn't really do much besides talk big and take out villains. She acts like she's upset at the world in general, but she doesn't take advantage of the opportunity that being Dark Sakura presents her with to just go all out with the revenge.
>>115236047 But Shinji wasn't well-liked at school - Issei flat out tells us that Shirou's the only guy who can stand him, and Naus has told us most girls are only interested due to his looks and money.
That said, I've got to admit, I kind of want to see some kind of pre-HGW AU where Shinji just breaks down and rants at Shirou about how shit his life is and accidentally lets slip about the magecraft thing, leading to a mutual moment of disbelief as they both realize the other already knew.
>>115236414 That was part of the point HF was making. Shirou loved Sakura enough to throw away all of his morals and do everything just for her. She didn't do anything for him except cook and clean, but because he loved her he was willing to risk everything to save her. It wasn't about worth. Even when she became a completely different person, he still wanted to save her. I just want to know if Shinji could have turned out differently if he had someone like that.
>>115236499 He's not rich, I had nicer things than he did back then and I make more money as an adult than he does now. He still gets tons of women to this day, not all of them are hideous or obese either...a lot of them are actually respectable looking women with legitimate jobs and whatnot. >>115236534 I guess so, he was always a bullshitter. I've known him since elementary school and he was always the kid who lied about shit. He told me he had a huge parrot in his house that talked, and when I went over he had a parakeet and a stuffed parrot. I was so disappointed...
>>115236654 Yeah, you're absolutely right. I've always kind of wondered something similar, too, although more in terms of familial love. I think it would have done Shinji a lot of good to have a parental figure around who actually gave a shit about him instead of a drunkard and a worm monster.
>>115236467 This is going to be a pretty disappointing harem unless they go for the good ending to UBW. Unless your into men, in which case there's a much larger selection in an array of colors from gold, red, and even blue.
>>115236654 We can't have nice things, because there is not enough SUFFERING. Consider the following: Shirou tries to save Sakura, but fails and she dies. Meanwhile, this changes Shinji and he becomes a good person. Would be nice to get good ends for the characters who were written to be hated. Such TWEEESTS.
>>115212539 >it's really unnatural for him to have so many female friends if he's unpopular with guys This actually happens in real life, I used to be friends with a guy who would regularly hang out in groups of him and like 5 girls. He wasn't attractive or anything, it's just in my part of the world, most weebs are female cosplaying con-goers and not shut in neets, so everyone who shared his interests was female. I was one of the girls
>>115239008 >>115239132 Shirou and Issei gettin' it on like Donkey Kong. Slut sisters clinging to the Matou-O-toko like no tomorrow. Stone slut clinging to Sakura's butt. Caster and Saber about to have their own "Church Rape V2" event. Cigar instead of 'nice try, no cigar'. Unlimited cash.
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