>>115721362 >After looking up the raws, I can see why I feel there are pages missing. While there are actually none missing, the "END" column - or whatever it's called - has been edited out. My apologies to PROzess, though it would seem quite a few people are now taking him seriously when he says he deletes pages. (That, or they have reached a whole new level of trolling.)
>>115723924 If it's just those pages I wouldn't really mind. Like, if there are pages in the middle of the chapter being ignored and removed because they have too much text you might notice something weird going on as you read it.
>>115723972 You realize how hard it is to translate things over when it comes to the details because of how different the two languages are right?
The people who work at Crunchyroll may not be the best subgroup but they are better then most subgroups, and only slightly worse then the best one. The only advantage other subgroups have over them is stuff like op and ed subs for example. Even with that said most are still going to pick up HorribleSubs for shows and then switch them out later if they want a subbed opening.
You get your anime for free and almost every show is subbed in a season, no serious/successful government intervention has been made to stop this from happening, and yet people are so spoiled they'll complain over crumbs in a time of overabundance. Learn to appreciate the good things, because as far as bad things go jaded/bitter/naive people will complain about anything endlessly.
>>115724265 It would be good if you stopped cock sucking your overlords in 4chan all the time, crunchyroll translations are lacklusters most of the time, I will give you that they do more shows and release them faster, but so what? The quality of the encoding is often inferior and the translations sometimes are completely mistaken. Go suck CR dick somewhere else and go claim to be a fansubber somewhere else too.
>>115724142 >but they are better then most subgroups this is true >and only slightly worse then the best one this is false >The only advantage other subgroups have over them is stuff like op and ed subs for example. Really wrong. Starting from purely visual stuff like actually good encode and typesetting, to the more important part with flow and nuance, which are oft thrown in the garbage bin by CR. This is assuming best case scenario, that is to say, the CR translator not being an idiot.
>>115724374 Quality of encoding can be made acceptable with madvr. Their translations are pretty good on average.
I mean, most fansubs "edit" Crunchyroll and don't even translation check it, so there's that.
Also, did you just start watching anime? CR's translations are much better than what you would've watched, say, a few years ago. Eclipse was considered great back then, and they're far worse than Crunchyroll subs.
>>115724386 Can you elaborate on your last point of what is superior in other encodes, typesetting, and what you mean by flow and nuance. If you are right about those points, I want to see what you mean, so I can have my facts straight and know why they're straight.
>>115724386 If the logic you're going by is that "if it's not good, then it's shit", then there's no point in this debate. CR isn't the best, but that doesn't mean they're shit. They're way above acceptable for people who rely on subtitles.
>>115724722 >but they're a shitty company who puts out subs and scans with zero thought or consideration. They hire the same people who do your fansubs. It's the same shit. It's just that the pure autists are the only ones who are left in fansubbing now. Most people don't give a shit about what you claim they lack. They lack it because it's simply not important.
>Even for Manga series they don't have to do anything besides translate and typeset they fuck up, I'm looking at you compressed KnK.
And scanlations are better? I've been reading manga a lot for the past few weeks. Even scanlators admit that the average bar for translations in the scanlation scene is far lower than the fansub scene. CR for everything would be an upgrade.
>>115724722 Do you realize CR are the good ones? They provide most of their stuff for free after a week. They use softsubs. They employ all those former fansubbers, who ruined their lives by being NEETs because they wasted all their efforts on fansubs. Their quality isn't that bad.
Just compare them to shit like FUNi streaming or Netflix.
>typesetting are you kidding me? wait, or maybe you are blind?
>flow/nuance Can't be bothered to bring out examples right now, as I will have to download old shows just in order so that I can quote from the subtitles. Speaking of this, right now I have only the crunchy rip, DDY and Hatsuyuki of Trinity Seven for cross-reference... Hatsuyuki doesn't seem to have edited almost anything, but op/ed translation are pretty bad. DDY has edited a lot... and somehow they managed to make the script worse. Quite worse.
Which brings me to the next point >>115724584 CR isn't shit (usually). They are way above shit groups. But, in the same time, they are way below an actual good release, even in the best case scenario where the translation is done by one of their competent people.
>>115724833 >CR for everything would be an upgrade. Had me until this last line. You're living in a fantasy world where bad things don't happen and monopolies trying to make money treat content equally and their customers fairly.
>>115724833 I don't really care about their fansubbing part, but they could really stand to have a bit more checking of quality before the manga translation released. I don't think I've ever seen the worst scanlator do this >>114581198, but maybe I'm just clueless about how their system works.
>>115725061 For manga? Hell yes it would. Do you really think the scanlation scene is a "free market"? If a group starts something and does it badly, no one else would redo it. It's not like fansubbing.
>>115725038 How do you define good? I'd say CR's more like Chipotle. Commie is like Mcdonalds.
>>115725038 The industry is changing. Fansubs are dying, because companies finally provide viable legal ways to watch anime in the west. It's not only crunchyroll. Half of a season is licensed by other streaming sites. CR is the least evil and best quality one of them.
In the long term, people will watch shit on legal or illegal streaming sites. Fansubbing is dead. Fuck, Jinsei is still not translated.
Would you really want CR to die and being replaced by FUNi?
>>115725174 So CR is just going to scanlate every manga ever because they know everyone's tastes and will respond to them in a timely fashion. How about scanlators learn to not be such cunts and stop 'claiming' a series for themselves? How will CR decide which series to scanlate if there is not a preexisting fanbase? They're going to stick to what is safe, which means big series or ones that random people have scanlated and caught on. Will I read a series that is poorly scanlated or, jesus christ, has missing pages because it was 'too hard'? Fuck no. But a for profit company isn't going to give a lot of stuff a chance unless they feel the resources will provide good return. Wiping out all fan scanlation isn't going to instantly convert poor scanlations into CR scanlations.
>>115725448 >Many groups encode from CR's 1080p vs transport streams. Also many don't, even if CR obviously has access to a superior video source. Being able to ruin the video more than the TV codecs is an achievement in itself.
>>115725395 Welcome to how people thought over a millennia ago. By holding people that take certain tasks to a quality standard, a superior product can be produced for the masses so we don't need the entire population to be an everyman. >BUT THEY DO IT FOR FREE If you aren't going to do a good job, don't do it at all.
>>115725282 And Crunchyroll, on average, doesn't produce bad subs.
>>115725427 Well, try to understand the scenario a little. That particular episode of FSN was delayed (by 4 hours). They probably had some sort of emergency so they had to upload, probably, an unedited/checked script.
You can see the diff here (a lot of stuff was fixed): https://www.diffchecker.com/pefdiljl
Because of how CR operates, they can easily replace existing subtitles without having to "v2" the file. In real life, shit happens and sometimes you have to meet a deadline. What they did was understandable.
>>115725495 Yeah, that was one of the few times where CR was unacceptable.
>>115725531 >How about scanlators learn to not be such cunts and stop 'claiming' a series for themselves? That's not going to happen. How is it going to happen?
>How will CR decide which series to scanlate if there is not a preexisting fanbase? Or you know, they can just license an entire magazine like they did with weekly shounen or whatever (Fairy Tail, Fuuka, KnK, etc).
>Fuck no. But a for profit company isn't going to give a lot of stuff a chance unless they feel the resources will provide good return. Wiping out all fan scanlation isn't going to instantly convert poor scanlations into CR scanlations. Oh, I guess you're misunderstanding me. I'm saying we need CR to translate everything. Then all problems are solved.
>>115725342 You realize that just as you claim most people don't give a fuck about the shit CR lacks, most people don't give a shit about sentences like that as well right?
This may rock your world, but those who lack standards, usually lack all kinds of standards. The majority is most definitely not on some fine line that parallels your own. They are either way more picky than you or give zero shits and read water panda and nigger stream.
So the whole argument of 'being a bit better' doesn't mean shit. It just means you somehow think your standards should be the norm for all readers which says enough on the issue.
>>115725848 >I'm saying we need CR to translate everything. Then all problems are solved. So long as they don't completely destroy the fan translation scene with their new copyright powers, then I'm all for more options. It would take a lot to convince me to pay for their stuff at this point though.
>>115725913 It does. Being in the whole fansubbing business for half a decade or so has allowed me to understand what's acceptable and what's not. The standard I have is shared with many other fansubbers and translators I've worked with.
PROzess has always been a faggot. Remember when he threw a hissy fit because there were online reading sites depriving him from his ad revenue? Remember how he "retired" from scanlating when he got BTFO'd by a 14 year old in a forum? Remember when he started watermarking the shit out of his releases because of that? Remember when he stopped releasing translated shit because people called him out of his bullshit?
>>115725678 >And Crunchyroll, on average, doesn't produce bad subs. I disagree. If I say that the subs are acceptable, I mean that they are acceptably bad. Yes, you can watch them, but I like working with language, so I can't help but be annoyed at the misses, the stiff English, and so on. Besides, it's not only about the subs. It's like kerning errors, I've learned to notice banding and other encoding stuff, the typesetting ruins my immersion, etc, etc.
Yet, if I am to choose between straight-out CR and DDY, of course I will choose CR.
>>115726016 It's 7? 9? bucks a month. In comparison, Aniplex is charging 10 bucks for 1 episode of Nisekoi in BD form. CR is a steal if you see value in their service.
>>115725947 >Why is it okay for the professionals to fuck up, but people who work for nothing are terrible? Well, in this particular scenario, they had a deadline to hit and perhaps the translator's parents died or something so he had to rush to hit that deadline. You've also forgotten that they actually fixed the mistake (look at the diff script out there). Something unacceptable would be a series like Haikyuu.
>They are equivalent or barely better than fanworks and this is their fucking job; tell me how that's okay? They hire the same guys who do the fanworks because they're better than the average pro you'd hire to do that sort of stuff. You're not going to magically become a magnitude better because you get paid 80 bucks an episode to translate.
>>115726030 Maybe, I certainly won't deny that being a possibility. I also recall G-Reco being hyped to shit because Tomino was directing it. I also remember Miyazaki making many controversial statements regarding anime. I'd like to think they were just as experienced in their industry as you are with your scene yes?
>>115726305 Not him but where are you getting these numbers from? The majority of leechers are not people who communicate. They leech and read/watch. I'm willing to bet more of them post on the comments on reader/stream sites like Batoto/Kiss/Fox/CR/etc than talk to the people involved in bringing them the entertainment.
Or do they not matter despite being the majority of your page hits/downloads/view counts/etc?
>>115726247 I'm not trying to convince you to use my standards. Like I've said, if CR is not your cup of tea, it's fine. It's just not fair to apply such a high standard to the vast majority of the viewerbase.
I remember there was a fansub reviewer from one of the cartels awhile ago who blatantly admitted CR subs were superior to most of what is being put out.
Here's the fact: /a/ hates CR in theory because they have the audacity to ask for money for a translating in exchange for providing timely competent releases, but if /a/ had to go back to the pre-CR days when you were entirely at the whim of unpaid amateur translators with no incentive to do shit other than get shit on for their work, they would change their tune.
>>115726403 I guess the main point I'm trying to spread is that people who are dead set on "quality" is part of a very small minority. You can do some estimation from download counts and the amount of subscribers CR gets.
>>115726444 >I'm not trying to convince you to use my standards. Like I've said, if CR is not your cup of tea, it's fine. It's just not fair to apply such a high standard to the vast majority of the viewerbase.
That wasn't my point at all. I was using those two as an example of showing a person who makes a statement implying they knew what they were talking about based on being an important person involved in the scene but then everyone reacts completely different.
I was more interested in whether or not how you'd respond if the 'majority' turned out not to agree with you as time passed that's all. I personally don't have a...stance? Just playing devil's advocate here.
>>115726609 If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. Leechers/consumers vote with their wallet and their downloads. I don't have concrete data backing up my claims as they're mostly anecdotal. It's just interesting to see that a lot of respectable fansubbers watching Crunchyroll subs. If they're fine with it, then it should be good, right?
>>115725909 I'm not an expert but I don't think something like master files even exist for manga and many comic books. The sfx are drawn directly on the pages and so is some of the text, some artists even write every single thing themselves. The ones doing localizations should have to clean it up manually every time, shouldn't they?
>>115726817 They're out from EGS. We've done our job getting them off their asses (it's funny how competition motivates even the laziest of all fuckers).
>>115726655 They announce them. It's in the range of 200-300K? Also, they were recently acquired for 100MM.
>>115726636 I could. I just need to look into it more. Sometimes not all subtitles are uploaded at the beginning, and we rip the file the moment it's out. It would be annoying for viewers to not be able to have a consistent expectation, which is what HorribleSubs strives for.
>>115726873 Analog printing is too expensive, anon. >>115726878 >also their subs, that is to say their scripts, sound incredibly stiff when read out loud in English. I don't think this is a fair argument. I mean, yeah, they can do better, but the actual japanese and english dubs aren't going to be much better.
>>115726873 I have friends who worked for jmanga (the piece of shit that was the predecessor of CR manga). I'm pretty sure they got master files to typeset on. SFX is definitely drawn on, but speechbubble text and text that overlays an image are not.
>>115726878 What domestic release are you comparing it to?
If you're comparing it with TV, their videos are on par with the TV streams (raw/not encoded, because the average Japanese doesn't watch some filtered 10bit video on their TV, so that's not a fair comparison).
Their video is definitely miles ahead of the shit they watch on Niconico or any Japanese stream site.
>>115726519 I've always been of the opinion that most of the whiners are mostly people who only got into anime in relatively recent years.
>>115726878 I hate to say this, but >>115726578 is right. We simply aren't CR's target audience. From their customers' pov, you know the ones who are willing to pay them, the quality they offer is good enough for them. And that's what matters, since they are ones giving the cash. So yes, from CR's pov, the service they offer is indeed good enough because us who actually cares about quality are a minority. Strictly from a business perspective, it doesn't make much economical sense to throw more cash to improve the quality just to get that marginal increase in potential inflow.
You see that very same mentality in other corporations where their strategy is simply low price, low quality targeted to bulk level of customers ala Walmart. For them, the increased value is insignificant.
>>115726818 Hard to say, personally I think competition is key to quality staying up. Monopolies only ensure quality and consistency take a back seat to profit. Scientifically speaking being paid as an incentive is very weak at producing results for tasks that require some brain power.
And I'd like to think that does apply to scanlating/fansubbing seeing as how no one's made machine translations acceptable yet.
>>115727169 That's a good point. However, I don't believe the Walmart comparison is fair because Walmart is known for cost-cutting to the extreme.
Think about it in the reverse. If, say, half of CR shows have subs as bad as Haikyuu, people will still not give a shit and continue to subscribe. That's a scary thought, isn't it? But that's clearly not the case and they do a much better(?)/more decent job in most of their translations.
>>115725673 >If you aren't going to do a good job, don't do it at all. hypothetical, nobody does anything anymore because they can't possibly meet your autistic criteria and english translation of manga/anime stops almost completely. who loses?
>>115727415 >people will still not give a shit and continue to subscribe. Considering that fucking hadena still have fans? Yeah, it is fucking scary. Then again, didn't some bloke once said something to the effect of how nobody's ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the general populace?
Yeah, walmart's not the best example; it's just that one that's one the top of my mind since face it, walmart's products aren't exactly top tier quality either.
>>115727470 But that's how it is. If you disagree with it then get your ass and do something about it. Start your own business that values quality and focuses on the audience that CR ignores. You can hate it all you like but CR's method works. Most people don't care about quality, that is a fact.
>>115727965 >Then they are living improper lives, as is anyone who willing, and knowingly, wallows in mediocrity. And so is complaining without bothering to do anything about it. We're seriously not in any better position to point fingers.
>>115726886 >>115726973 Because i knew he was scanlating this series i read the chink scans version. I went back and read a few pages of 14 sai in english due to the shitty chinese grainy scans and was shocked to find out that some pages were flat out missing
>>115727522 Yeah that's what's worrisome. Your group is the only life line everyone has right now so CR is still acceptable because in a strange fucking way, you're also a source where competition comes from now in the sense that people use your rips as a base line for their adjustments.
But what if they target you? Anime's dead no matter what if HS dies, but if manga dies with it then it's game over.
So while I think CR doing manga is alright, I'm kind of skeptical at the idea of them covering everything like they did with anime. Scanlations might not have a high overall standard, but if you read the series by the good groups like Turnip Farmers, Hox, Power Manga, etc etc you'll see there's still a lot of groups out there that don't deserve to be caught up in it even if some of them are slow. Commercially, well it's not gonna happen period.
>>115727816 >Yeah, walmart's not the best example; it's just that one that's one the top of my mind since face it, walmart's products aren't exactly top tier quality either.
Walmart's products are great. What the fuck are you talking about? It's all just the same brands you get everywhere else cheaper. Stop being a retarded elitist. To add to it their produce is pretty good. Just because they don't have scammy organic shit doesn't mean it's worse.
>>115726578 Well /a/ is part of that minority for the most part, so you sitting here defending CR on /a/ is retardedly futile. Quality is one of the tenants of /a/.
>>115729793 From the looks of it, that particular special chapter ran in a different magazine than the one CR picked up, but that's not a fucking excuse. If they run a special chapter in another magazine, you get in contact with them and make a deal. People who are, ostensibly, paying for your services want all of the content of a particular series, not just the main series. I want my special chapters, my OVAs, and anything else they may shit out.
For fuck's sake, I want even the littlest joke strip scanlated if I'm reading a series.
>>115730163 >Sucking their dick obviously Where do I line up to suck HS's dick?
Do you retards even remember fansubbing? Some shows would never get picked up. If they did get picked up they'd be days late. If they were days late they'd be inaccurate more than accurate.
You fucks don't even realize we're in the golden age right now. Boo hoo someone made a mistake about helicopter moms. Do you have any idea the amount of mistakes we sat through 7 years ago? Does anyone remember groups like GG gaming the entire scene, picking shit up then dropping it half way for lul?
Fuck you guys are brats. Fansubbing was egotistic shit flinging. Anyone who wants to wait three weeks for shitty mediocre subs is an idiot.
>>115730324 Jinsei is still not fully subbed. Yes, I know, even with fansubbing it literally could take years until something was subbed, but the CR thing has actually killed off all potential translators and all fansubbing culture.
>>115730324 This. You are all ungrateful bitches if you complain about stuff you get for fucking FREE and in basically the best quality available while most non-jap shows are done by yify or in 400p avi.
>You fucks don't even realize we're in the golden age right now. Boo hoo someone made a mistake about helicopter moms. Do you have any idea the amount of mistakes we sat through 7 years ago? Does anyone remember groups like GG gaming the entire scene, picking shit up then dropping it half way for lul?
Yeah I remember and if HS quality subs were available then, I'd have appreciated them, but this is 2014, not 2006; I have seen good quality works. I will not suck CR's dick today because they are good by yesterday's standards.
>>115730415 >fansubbing culture Fansubbing culture was awful. I had to teach myself Japanese because I hated them all so much. The amount of drama-drops that happened was unreal. Every fansub existed just to wank someone's ego.
>>115730779 >>115730779 >Artist asks sensualaoi to stop scanlating his work >Says it's eating his sales >Sensualaoi counters with "English speakers aren't your target audience since they can't read moonrunes so you aren't losing sales" and "If people can't get it legally, do you expect them not to 'steal' it?" >Offers some suggestions to try and reach English markets >Artist says it's too hard and gives up
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