Hope I'm not late on this.
Last night at the movie theater I saw the trailer for this.
The whole time I was thinking, this looks like a dubbed anime that I've seen before.
It says that it is based on a Marvel comic of the same name.
But after looking up stuff about the comic it does not seem to have much in common with the movie.
MC in both is Japanese boy genius who builds robot named Baymax.
But after that the comic sounds pretty dark and he teams up with a cast of government agents and superheroes to fight a evil dragon made up of the souls from the atomic bomb attack victims.
In movie MC builds gear that gives his friends powers to help him fight super villain in a kabuki mask.
The writers for both the comic and movie are all Gaijin but the whole production comes off looking like a CGI anime.
What do you think?
Haven't you seen this before?
What are you asking? If you're asking if western movies have ever stolen the concept of an anime, it has happened tons of times before. Stealth ripped off Macross Plus, The Matrix was heavily inspired (and blatantly copied) Ghost in the Shell, Avatar was heavily inspired by Naruto, etc. And don't even get me started on the dozens of blatant copies of Miyazaki in Disney movies.
They've been rolling out a lot of promo stuff for this film in Japan - inflatables and cardboard standees - so I guess if it is incredibly similar to something Japanese imageboards will have begun ripping into it already.
The only thing I can think of is Medabots and that terrible Korean CGI thing Cubix.
it's anime inspired cartoon movie, whats your point?
it's comonly known that lasseter has huge respect for Miyazaki and ghibli. would be such a huge surprise if people at pixar and disney was filled with weabos?
looks to me that theyve done movies homaging video games , old disney movies and now its comics and manga's turn.
Honestly cant be more excited for it. Loved wreck it ralph and most pixar movies.
>MC in both is Japanese boy genius who builds robot named Baymax.
Did you even watch the very tailor you posted? It was built by his older brother who disappeared and is totally the guy in the kabuki mask.
>made up of the souls from the atomic bomb attack victims
Who writes this shit?
>Aang doing rasengans and shit
>Katara being an useless love interest
>Zuko being an angst kid seeking revenge
It just writes itself.
The first two seasons were still better than Naruto though. Fuck Korra though. God why does it have to exist.
Western animation is trash. Shame that all of the real talent throughout the industry is drawn to it though since it offers the most cash. Lots of passionate people who are forced to make trash because of strict bias against animation in the west.
Not to sound like an SJW faggot, but the thing that pisses off most about this is that asian characters don't really look asian. They just look like white people with too much eyeliner.
>Western animation is trash
Never once disregarded a post this fast.
It's been in a stagnant state for decades because its industry is forced to target kids and family audiences and nothing else. It'll never reach its true potential until a company finally takes the risks of producing a successful PG 13 movie.
>Western animation, on a technical level, is so far beyond Eastern animation that it's not even funny.
Yes, and that's it.
In terms of narrative; it's stagnant, creatively bankrupt, infantile and always playing it safe.
Oh one of these idiots.
"Western animation is better because the characters move in every single frame and they spend 300 million one each movie!"
Nope. I'll still take anime over that. Especially since 90% of all 'western' animation these days is 3D crap. And the actual 2D stuff is drawn in Korea/Japan. So in short, you don't know jack.
Eh, it's more "inspired by" than ripped off.
A kid getting psychic powers and going power mad? That's about it. Akira had way more social commentary and involvement with conspiracies and government than Chronicle, which stayed more focused on the few main characters due to its "found footage" style.
>In terms of narrative; it's stagnant, creatively bankrupt, infantile and always playing it safe.
>Shit, we were better 60 years ago than they are today.
Funny how Miyazaki movies i nthe 1980s look better than Disney movies 20 years later. Something even Disney animators admit. Especially since they copy Miyazaki so much.
As long as the japs can't make Rick and Morty they will always be second place.
>Especially since they copy Miyazaki so much.
The level of ignorance in this statement is astounding.
Let me clue you in.
The entire anime and manga industry was created by a guy ripping off Disney.
>reusing the same rotoscoped scenes for two decades, from 101 Dalmations to Sword in the Stone to The Rescuers to The Jungle Book
Keep telling yourself that dude.
Tezuka didn't rip off Disney. He was inspired by and was open about his love of Disney material, particularly Donald Duck comics.
Now if you want to get into RIP OFFS, we can talk about the Kimba the White Lion/Lion King similarities.
Weren't some of Disney's movies rotoscoped?
Especially the one in your picture?
Disney animatiors themselves admit to copying Miyazaki. Movies like Treasure Planet and Atlantis blatantly copied Miyazaki. No to mention The Lion King being a point by point retelling of Kimba The White Lion with crappy Shakespeare thrown in.
>The entire anime and manga industry was created by a guy ripping off Disney.
Taking inspiration is not the same as 'ripping off'. Tekuza had just as much influence from early turn of the century comics and movies like Metropolis. He didn't blatantly take a Disney movie like Dumbo and remake it. Yet every major film by Disney has been a remake of a famous story by someone else, with very few exceptions (like Lilo and Stitch). For fuck sake, Atantis was a complete copy of Nadia. Which itself was ripped off from Laputa.
And none of this has anything to do with 'animation quality'.
It's actually true, though.
Miyazaki is literally the only person in japan that releases films of equivalent technical fidelity.
The average cartoon in America is better animated than a high budget, high profile anime.
Most of the Disney movies between 1960-1990 were rotoscoped. Which he somehow thinks is 'better animation'.
Mostly because of people like Don Bluth who were the art director for those Disney movies. And Don Bluth loves his rotoscoping.
>Atlantis blatantly copied Miyazaki
Nope, Atlantis copied Anno (and quite blatantly at that)
You're seriously not trying to say that the gif you posted is a good example of that, are you?
Japan's animation can, and there are times where they've done better. The problem is that their animation isn't consistently smooth. But consistently smooth and detailed animation is expensive as fuck and is really only reserved for big corporate studios.
The west did give us the Thief and the Cobbler though, and that's the most painstakingly detailed animated movie ever, bar none.
Show me what he actually ripped off.
Using a style is not a ripoff.
Using images and concepts in such a way that they don't reflect back to the original is a ripoff.
Like Lion King.
Does it really matter? Artists copy and build off one another all the time. When it's a back-and-forth inspiration like that, over oceans and decades of time it just ends up making everybody better.
Meh. Atlantis was basically Stargate's story dressed up in Nadia's clothes.
You failed already anon.
It only matters when people claim one source is better than another, like that one guy did. Obviously anyone with a brain and actual knowledge of media knows good artists take inspiration from other artists. Art is not created in a vacuum. Its built on the shoulders of predecessors.
>kid builds a robot
>his otouto bonds with it and they help save the day
The plot is definitely sticking to a Japanese setting/atmosphere. Western media typically demonises robots so I'm glad the movie isn't going in that direction.
Nadia's story was actually written by Miyazaki back in the early 70s. It was just shelved before being sold to NHK, who would go on to hire Gainax to make it.
And Anno was constantly fighting against NHK to make his own thing, but was constantly reigned in to follow Miyazaki's blueprint. Until the end when he went full ALIENS and SPACE SHIPS and BIBLE IMAGERY. He cited that part of what sent him into his depression that lead to Eva was his frustration with the lack of creative control on Nadia.
Snow White was an early attempt at rotoscoping. They couldn't do a complete 1:1 transition because Disney was basicaly pioneering new forms of animation in the late 1930s.
However, later movies like Sword in the Stone or Jungle Book did use straight rotoscoping. And looked even worse than the early Disney movies as a result.
its pointless to argue about all this though since there's an anime equivalent to every animation style. They've done it all, from rotoscoping to traditional cel drawings to 3D CGI crap.
Disney made better animation (before threy went full cgi), and even family guy is funnier than the average nip anime comedy. Only thing they have going in their favor is mecha shit because the white man has long realized that humanoid robots are stupid, especially in space.
Why are yellow people so shit?
I've been pretty excited to see this since viewing the trailer. It looks like a better than average animated film.
From what OP described, calling it a rip off sounds a bit harsh. I don't see a problem with them taking inspiration from Japanese anime. Filmmaking does not exist in a bubble and neither do ideas (about story telling, cinematography and of course what is commercially viable).
If it had copied scene for scene or blatantly ripped an entire plot from a different movie that would be different.
For some reason superhero cartoons are the only ones I can think of with "proper" anatomy.
>The average cartoon in America is better animated than a high budget, high profile anime.
Except it fucking isn't.
The animation is smoother, but only because they're character designs are shitty simple childrens' scribbles like pic related. It's far easier to animate.
Not that it really matters either way. 2D is dying internationally, so all all of today's 2D shows can't be compared with some of the work that aired in the mid nineties and earlier. This is regarding both eastern and western animation, for your information.
>The anime industry has been stagnant for years.
>has had its biggest changes in the last 15 years, most notably all studios switching from cels to digital and 3D CG
Stop trying to hate anime so much. Especially since nearly all animated works produced by a western distributor has ties to Korea or Japan. Ever watch all those huge budget Disney/Pixar movies? Notice how 3/4 the animators are Korean? I wonder why....
He mean the Avatar The Last Airbender cartoon.
But we all know it was really ripping off Pokemon.
Western cartoons just have enormous budgets. They spend more money on one episode of The Simpsons or Adventure Time than half a season of anime. And plenty of people would still say those series aren't that good looking compared to something done by KyoAni or Production IG.
Its all pointless. Because guess where Simpsons and Adventure Time are animated? Korea and Japan. Whoops.
It's sad because that's like the only thing American animation can do.
It's either some shitty comedy, a superhero show, or some kind of politically show.
It would be nice to see them do something like a Shoujo work.
I hope you're not implying that every anime character design is detailed or has proper anatomy.
Part of that is that animators are VERY well payed in America. And the voice actors are VERY over payed. Dan Castellaneta, the voice of Homer, makes roughly half a million PER EPISODE of the Simpsons. Yeah, that's the kinda bloat that really drives up the cost.
They also spend more money on animation itself. But much of it is wasted on needless things. Like The Simpsons will spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on a 30 minute 'skit' imitating Miyazaki. Those 30 seconds of film being more expensive than entire episodes of anime.
>It would be nice to see them do something like a Shoujo work.
You sound underage. Or maybe you just don't watch very much western animation in general.
There was plenty of "shoujo" shit in the 80's, 90's and early 2000's. There's also that upcoming French production called Lady Bug or something. Though I guess you could say that that one is more magical girl than shoujo.
BH6 looks like it will fail. I cannot stand an animated Western Action film. We all know that they will not allow for decent violence and consequences. This isn't like anime, what the average Shounen can do I do not see this lame crap doing.
everybody knows that japanese humor is either graphical shit that everybody over the age of 10 already grew tired of or something you will never understand and even if you understand it you will never get why its supposed to be funny.
What about all of Bruce Timm's work? Batman the Animated Series, Superman, Justice League... all of that shit looks great. The Spider-Man cartoon from the 70s? Not so much.
In general I think American cartoons do animate at a higher frame rate than Japanese ones and actually care about lip flaps. This seomtimes means you have shows like Airbender with amazing, fluid fight scenes rather than your Japanese variety. On the flip side, anime has come up with awesome camera angles to make things dynamic.
As with most things, I think the question of which has better quality/budget is simply: it depends.
>"So I heard Jamie slept with Barbera"
>"don't go there!"
>repeat every episode
>characters about to get close
>generic 'cute girl' jumps in and interrupts them right before they kiss or admit their feelings
>repeat every episode until the last one
Pretty sure most of them are disqualified because the faces alone. Large eyes and small/no noses are pretty common, but not anatomically correct.
The french are just as perverted as the Nipps. This is very good news.
To be honest, it's the only big-budget western-animated movie I've been looking foward to in the last couple of years.
Frozen was overrated crap, Wreck-It-Ralph was mediocre and also overrated and HTTYD2 was flat out terrible. At least Paranorman and Ernest and Celestine were good.
>all studios switching from cels to digital and 3D CG
Ypu make it sound like thats a fucking good thing. that siwitch has made all anime inorganic, bright colored puke that have taken all variety out of all tipes of animation,.
Common /co/ have some dignity... Dont you have some webcomics to read? I heard that men in spandex are really popular now. If you dont hurry tumblr is going to take over your board.
Are you implying western 'references' are not just 'how close can we talk about sex without actually admitting it'
At least Japanese shows will blatantly point it out. Watching an American or British show is just all innuendo and no development.
It has a Catboy too. Looking foward to the inevitable fanart porn for both characters.
America did the exact same thing in the late 90s, early 2000s. All 2D animation is digital. That is, for the 10% of western animation that is actually 2D anymore. All the rest is 3D puke that looks far worse than anything Japan makes.
Not anymore, they scrapped the anime-French/Japanese co-production since western suits and execs firmly believe that 2D can't sell anymore in the west.
So they went generic 3D animation style instead.
I'm kinda looking forward to Song of the Sea too
The main show is going to be CGI, but it seem it's going to have some 2D web only episodes by Toei
>Sailor Moon Crystal QUALITY.jpg
Hope the french budget prevents some tragedies
>These movies made by the same people are over rated crap
>looking forward to a movie by the same guys because anime connections
Look at this faggot. You are those weeaboo cringe pictures.
>that siwitch has made all anime inorganic, bright colored puke that have taken all variety out of all tipes of animation,.
So basically, like going from Old gritty Spongebob to new digital Spongebob. Its not like Japan is the only culprit of this.
But most american cartoons dont have laugh tracks.
what comedic american have them?
none from seth mcfarlane , nor the simpsions or the the other fox shows, nor south park or those at adult swim.
You're arguing between types of shows. A laugh track is not used on animation because there's no audience viewing it. Though some shows like Simpsons and Family Guy did put laugh tracks in to parody live sitcoms.
You didn't like HTTYD2? Same here. But why? IMO the movie's story was horribly ruined by Hiccup's deadbeat mother who doesn't suffer for abandoning her family to go on a hippie crusade essentially. Reminded me of The Simpsons with Homer's mother who also abandoned her family for hippie activist bullshit reasons. I hate that shit especially when they don't treat such females like the pieces of shit that they are.
This thread was on page 9 with one troll post when I left if for dead to play some vidya.
>mfw thread still alive and actually has some discussion
What the fuck are you even talking about here?
The directors for Big Hero 6 aren't the same people who did Dang-It-Bobby or those shitty princess cash grabs.
Paranorman was Laika and Ernest and Celestine is a French production.
>because no show is filmed before a live audience anymore anyways.
Yes they are. People hate Big Bang Theory to death for its laughing. But it is filmed in front of a live audience. Look it up.
This. Its one of the reasons Western animation will never rival anime. How many times can you do a Batman cartoon where the Joker cannot kill anyone unless its a special expensive Blue Ray one shot movie? That shit's obnoxious and difficult to take seriously.
You mean the customer is not always right?
It removes all impact from the scene if there's no physical effect except for bruise marks.
I disliked how the pacing was so fucking fast it never felt like they had time to develop anything, not Hiccup's mother or the villain, they were there but I never cared for what was happening
The mother was essentially useless, the story felt uninspired (Dragons are/aren't mindless monsters was already done with the first movie, DW needs to find a new premise already) and they amped up the cliches by 10. Not that the first HTTYD wasn't already cliche and typical, but they managed to twist the cliches in such a way where they didn't feel shoehorned in and it managed to feel natural. That wasn't the case with HTTYD2.