>>116089799 Western archer has it on the knuckle side, japanese and a lot of eastern styles(from Turkey onwards, really) you have it on the finger/palm side.
Generally, western bows used the three finger draw, this way the arrow when released pushes against the shaft of the bow, minimizing oscillation.
With the thumb grip, the arrow is released to the other way just a little when released, so having the shaft on the opposite side now counters those oscillation.
The pinch grip isn't used because you can't used higher draw weights, so the arrows don't penetrate. But it has the cleanest release and least amount of oscillation in mid-air because it doesn't go left or right but is simply let go.
Oscillation decreases accuracy and penetration, so you generally work to minimize that.
If you've ever seen in manga a bow being held with the string toward the enemy after firing an arrow, that's called a tsunomi(I think, I might remember wrong), it's letting the bow spin around in your hand, minimizing the oscillation by allowing the arrow to go straighter. It's considered a fairly unique thing to kyudo and japanese archery.
Of course, this is all generalizations. An individual archer in Japan could have had a longbow style and an individual in the English army could have used a pinch grip with a japanese style of loosing arrows.
The forest part of the episode was kind of silly. Why didn't archer just shoot Ilya when he protected Rin? He had a perfect shot. If they're gonna add anime original scenes at least make them make sense.
>>116090847 Not entirely true. The author of Holyland researched a ton, and then copy-pasted his research into Holyland. 3 pages of angst, 12 pages of exposition on how a punch is thrown, 1 page of thugs getting punched the fuck out.
>>116090847 I feel like it should be common sense. Do they think drawing a bow and firing it at such a speed that it could KILL another human being takes about the same effort as lifting and throwing a broom?
>>116092912 There is no "Ruler" class in the Fuyuki Heaven's Feel.
He's not a Rider because he lacks a famous vehicle or steed. He does possess Vimana, but he's not famous for it; it's merely another one of the treasures he's collected.
Among the Knight classes, the Archer class has the least strict qualifications. All you really need is a long-range attack of some sort and multiple Noble Phantasms. Among the seven classes of the Heaven's Feel, he is best suited to the Archer class.
>>116092968 I kind of wish the completed F/SN Gilgamesh used a modified weaker version of the NP that Prototype Gilgamesh used (Enki) as his go-to NP. It'd shut up 'B-BUT HE'S NOT AN ARCHER' people and it's actually cool, albeit as THE ultimate NP for one of THE ultimate Heroic Spirits, it's admittedly underwhelming.
None of the Shirous from the three routes would be stupid enough to form a contract with the world.
Saber-route's Shirou learns from Saber's example that such a contract is pointless. Rin-route's Shirou learns from Archer's example where such a contract would lead him. Sakura-route Shirou's a non-issue since he's not trying to become a seigi no mikata anymore.
Or rather, where the hell would she get the money for a catalyst? Does anyone who asks this question actually know ANYTHING about Tohsaka Rin and her circumstances? She doesn't have the dosh to obtain a proper catalyst.
>>116093841 A lot of her money was lost due to Kotomine being a shitty investor.
She only has enough money to live off, as well as buy gems which are kind of absolutely vital to her magecraft.
>>116093869 She owns the house. She inherited it. The actual cash funds in her possession are actually unusually low for someone of her status. She's not hurting for cash, but she sure as hell doesn't have enough to buy a priceless antique artifact.
>Because their sorcery reduces expensive jewels to ash after a single use, the Tohsaka magi are fated to be chronically afflicted with a lack of funds.
>>116094552 >Archer dead for good >Beautiful last moment >Nope faggot I'm alive >Here's your deus ex machina and here's your's deus ex machina, come closer, I have one more >Rin you stay with other me, otherwise he'll become a faggot even bigger than myself
>>116094712 He didn't redeem himself at that point. He'd just be a tragic villain who died moments after realizing he was wrong. By helping Shirou, by saving him and making amends with Rin, he demonstrated that he really was a good person.
It's not this black and white. He never fucking was a bad person. He was saving people over and over and over. He didn't try to kill Shirou because he's a bad person, he tried to kill him because he didn't want to be what he became. Shirou's ideal was to save absolutely everyone, he doesn't even accept killing bank robbers to save hostages. Archer was the same but over time he had to change and became jaded and cynical, betraying his ideal or getting betrayed by his ideal. He's neither bad nor good for trying to kill Shirou.
>>116094854 In terms of the story he was the villain, or in the very least the antagonist. He'd tried to murder Shirou multiple times and put the rest of the main cast into danger. He had reasons, but by the end he realized himself they weren't justified. he agreed with Shirou; his ideals weren't a mistake.
If he had just died right then, you could still understand the reasoning behind what he did, but he ultimately wouldn't come out in a good light. By having him save Shirou and talk things out with Rin, you got a sense of finality and got to see his lighter, heroic side.
>>116095092 Killing Shirou was entirely unjustified. Archer /knew/ killing him likely wouldn't do anything. He said in the novel the reason he was doing everything was to just take his anger out on the guy.
By shielding Shirou the best you could argue is that he protected him from a situation he himself crafted. By saving him from getting killed in the final fight, he showed that he was a hero.
It's not that he couldn't, but that it would leave him open for Saber to attack. That's why he temporarily used his hands to fight, and get his sword later. That was the whole point, to show that he doesn't even really need the sword.
>>116095153 No, that's just running away from your own responsibilities. He decided to become a Guardian without a second thought. You don't get to pretend to be a different person from your past self. That's just selfish reasoning.
>>116095188 Why should he fucking care about his responsibilities? He did a stupid mistake by chance and has to regret it for eternity. If there's even a tiny chance that he can fix his own mistake then there's nothing wrong with taking it.
>>116095383 >in HF he recognizes the Shadow Not quite. He fought similar things back when he was alive, but wasn't able to do anything about it and was forced to withdraw.
>he tells Saber that (paraphrased of course) she gets saved (referring to the end of the Fate route). Again, not quite. Archer wasn't able to save Saber. He does say that he might be linked to her again in the future and that the day she may be freed will come. But Archer himself won't be the one to do it.
>>116095447 He's none of them. He's the Shirou from an alternate timeline, but that timeline doesn't correspond to any of the three routes.
Archer probably experienced a sort of "Normal End" to Saber's route. He learned about Avalon being inside him, and learned about Saber's past and her circumstances, but he wasn't able to free her from her quest for the Grail. We also know that one of his greatest traumas was being unable to save Ilya from dying a year after the Grail War.
>>116095376 After almost reaching a limit of two days, spending prana to fight Shirou and getting fucked over by Gilgamesh there is no way he would've had enough prana to project Rho Aias and shower Rin with swords, that's just flat out bullshit and Independent Action doesn't even come close to justifying it.
Here's what we do know about Archer's 5th Grail War as Emiya Shirou >He was the winner of the 5th Grail War >He learned Saber's identity, and he know what her wish is >He learned about Avalon being inside him >He fucked up his arm badly when he attempted to project a Noble Phantasm for the first time >He wasn't able to free Saber from her quest for the Grail >Ilya managed to survive past the Grail War, but she wasted away and died a year later, much to Archer's deepest regret >He had an amicable relationship with Rin, same as all the other Shirous. However, they probably weren't lovers. >He didn't know about Rider's Mystic Eyes, meaning he either didn't know he identity or he forgot it over time. >The very beginning of the prologue corresponds to his own memories of Saber's summoning
>>116095924 Except not. A stone form the base of Herakles own temple counted. That doesn't mean a random thing that Saber never had anything to do with would summon her. That's not how it works. Archer for instance was summoned using the pendant because he owned and kept that pendant his whole life.
>>116096035 >See, in order to keep it up, Shirou/Archer has to constantly pump prana into it. So it's not the same as with other projections. It sucks out a heavy quantity of prana every time he projects it. No it doesn't. That happened in the Lancer fight because he had to reinforce it against Gae Bolg. It doesn't happen in HF for example.
>>116089466 Consensus is that it's a strange combination of different styles, which is perfectly fine for anyone with little or no amounts of autism, given that he has a servants body and has been fighting allover the world for who knows how long
Saber's catalyst was Avalon. Archer's catalyst was the pendant. Caster was literature from Colchis with ties to Medea. Lancer's was an earring inscribed with a rune. Rider's was a mirror from a temple in Eritrea. Heracle' was a piece of rock from one of his temples. Assassin's was the Ryuudou Gate. True Assassin's was the Assassin class itself.
Everyone in the Fifth War had a catalyst.
As for the Fourth War, the only Servant who wasn't summoned with a catalyst was Caster.
One could argue that Rinnoske's book was Caster's catalyst. Or the dead kids, since Gilles was famous for being a child killer. The latter would probably make more sense, since it's implied that a prostitute is part of Jack the Ripper's catalyst in Apocrypha, IIRC.
>>116096489 I'm a Saberfags for all it's worth and that ending was shit. Saber being alive and well doesn't automatically make it good. Even though it pleases me on the inside a little bit, a tiny little bit
Generally, some kind of catalyst is necessary in the Fuyuki Heaven's Feel. If the catalyst is vague but still a legitimate catalyst, then the Grail will summon for a Servant with high compatibility with the summoner's personality (as was the case with Medusa and Sakura).
The Moon Cell's Holy Grail War is a bit different though. There are no catalysts involved there; participants just summon a Servant compatible with their personalities. The exception is the protagonist, who technically didn't qualify (due to losing in the preliminaries), but his/her sheer force of will caused Saber/Caster to appear before them of their own will. Nero in particular's a special case since ordinary Magi would normally avoid summoning her (since she's something of a wild card), and Nero herself dislikes offering herself up (meaning she wouldn't normally step forward on her own), but the protagonist moved her so much that she step forward of her own volition. Tamamo, on the other hand, isn't even allowed in the Grail War under ordinary circumstances, but the protagonist was "her type" so she steps forward regardless of all the nerfs she'd have to take. As for Archer, he's chosen by a third party (that shady priest).
>>116096597 >However, in the first place, there isn’t a Master to be found who would summon her. >Her true name corresponds to great evil in a certain religion, and the end of her life was a miserable one. >Just as much as she is an emperor, she is also an artist with unshakable faith in her own genius, and the only absolute justice to her is “beauty.” >Whether ally, enemy, her citizens, or herself, she will not love anything that does not fit into that category. >That holds true even for a Master. For sure, she will never obey someone she finds unseemly. >There’s no magus who would want to make use of a weapon who judges matters based on something like “beauty.” Contracting with this Heroic Spirit is simply too risky.
>“……Well, that’s only natural. >Magi are clever and calculating creatures; certainly not fools who would entrust their lives to me.”
>>116096718 >And so she spent her days in ennui in the Throne of Heroes. >Though she gets lonely, her pride overcame that. She decided not to settle for just anyone, planning on only contracting with a genius of her level. >And so, at the end of another round of preliminaries. >Just when she was about to leave, thinking that there was no one to call her this time either, she heard a faint voice. >When she turned, she saw a nameless someone who, despite being on the verge of death, still fought to stand. >Someone who was not strong. >Someone who had no outstanding talent. >Someone who wasn’t even a proper wizard. >But―――Saber saw a kindling that twinkled like a star in the night, a kindling that refused to fade. >Instantly, she rushed forward. >What she had in her chest was not sympathy for that someone, but anger against the high heavens. >She knew that it was the way of the world for the weak to remain weak and perish, their prayers to no avail. >Precisely because she knew this, she couldn’t stand for it. >What kind of heaven would ignore such powerful will? >Even in the death throes, that nameless one chose not to give up but to fight.
>“If it would not answer that purehearted wish, the will of the heavens matters not! How can I not answer the cry of that noble soul―――?!” Rather than answering summons, Saber had come to the place of selection of her own volition. >While groaning inwardly at the offering up of herself that she had disliked so, she speaks to the nameless soul.
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