Is Shirou literally bereft of brains?
Who rushes off to fight an enemy Stand on their own with only an inanimate carbon rod?
There is dumb, then there is too stupid to live.
Was a expecting a solid episode with a cool fight and that's exactly what it was. Too bad Rider is incompetent at winning a fight that could be over in like two seconds. Shirou is still an idiot, and Fate route Rin is still forever superior.
Yes, Shirou is a moron, news at eleven. That's why he's constantly berated for being a moron by the other characters. He survived because Rider's master is somehow more incompetent than he is.
Wow we have literally been complaining about this for almost ten years and you just fucking discovered it
I wonder if you're new
>an enemy Stand
Anon, you fucking retard.
Well this isn't HF so there are fewer things wrong with him, but you are not wrong.
I actually really like Shirou's complete willingness to throw himself into danger even if it's just to do SOMETHING about the situation he doesn't like. He's constantly thinking "there's no way I can win this" but he steps up to the fucking plate anyways because it never even seems to occur to him that he could NOT fight the bad guy. People call it generic but I think he approaches it in a unique way and I always found it really inspiring to the point where I'd call FS/N and Shirou really influential in the way that I try to live my life. Been considering getting a tattoo of pic related for years.
Spoiled because /a/ will tear me a new asshole
Hey it's "People die if they are killed" Shirou Emiya. I can excuse his existence if Archer shows up at some point.
This is the same story where trying to protect Saber by throwing yourself in front of Berserker's sword is a good idea.
It's still completely retarded to not use a command spell in that situation. Just have Rin cover you for a few seconds against Rider then summon Saber.
I agree with you
Shirou understands the concept of personal dignity
he can't ignore something that he perceives as an injustice
the living and dying, winning and losing isn't important
all that matters is that he lives for what he believes in
OP here. Is this show only going to focus on Saber, Shirou, Archer and Rin? Are they going to work together to fight against everybody else, until they discover Kirei/Archer like the first show? I noticed that Archer didn't get cut in half so I am assuming we will discover his true nature and relationship with Illya in that fight with Berserker.
>Gil will be defeated by a retarded and PTSD ridden kid that get's his mana from fucking sluts.
Biggest asspull since "lol here is super magic sword for no reason out of nowhere that kills you 7 times and in no way kills you from making it, even tho you get fucked up from projecting 2 shitty swords in UBW" from Fate
People here got spoiled hard with Fate/Zero and the more mature setting, huh?
I won't lie, Fate/Stay Night isn't as great as I remember and Fate/Zero definitely is the superior work. With that said, I'm still liking the series a lot and it's kind of sad seeing people dropping the series when I'm liking it this much. Guess the high school setting it's taking its toll in the story-telling aspect... The setting's part of the charm for me, but I guess some people are fed up of that setting, especially since it is so prevalent in modern anime.
Eh, anyway. Episode 5 impressions: I loved the fight and liked that they are starting to drop hints towards future developments of the route.
Common sense or even a childs level of logic does not make good drama.
Anyway, throwing yourself headfirst into situations stupidly and with no cause should have steep punishments that are long lasting.
When you do stuff like that, in a world where the worst he will ever get is a stab wound that will be healed in nanoseconds through maical plot then...it sort of loses any and all weight and just becomes a stupid occurrence.
The Gil fight is pivotal to UBW. It's the entire culmination of Shirou's character. You need it or the route doesn't work.
That being said I think it's fine. Gil doesn't take /anyone/ seriously. He was screwing around with the teenage ginger playing with his dumb little reality marble until oh shit my arm fuck I'm losing.
Has anyone counted how many times wormslut says "Sempai" in HF? I am willing to bet it's in the triple digits.
That's not a bad idea. Kirei doesn't do a whole lot in UBW, and there's a lot of untapped potential there between him and Rin.
I mean he pretty much screwed her life entirely while also acting as a guardian to her over the years. There's a narrative arc there if I've ever heard one, and having her take him out after he killed her father would be neat.
I really don't understand the complaints about Shirou being dumb or stupid.
He doesn't think he would be attacked at school, being full of people, but he is engrossed worrying about is friend who has gone missing that he is wandering around the school and before he knows it every one is gone.
Also, it's not like he is defenseless, he could technically summon Saber at any moment if he wanted to.
As for him running off into the woods fighting Rider. Shirou has a very strong sense of justice, he wants to save people. His friend mysteriously went missing the day before, now there is another girl collapsed, who would've died had Rin not come around, because of a servant and their master. Shirou isn't the kind of guy to just go home and give us another cooking episode, while these 'criminals' will likely attack more students at his school.
If they are still there he will fight them, even if it means his own death.
Rider is no Lancer, and she certainly isn't moving at the speed of light.
Not all servants are created equal, and servants can be killed by masters.
Just because Shirou isn't a crazy magic dude doesn't mean he can't fight. It just means the chance of him dying is super high.
Hell there are some fights where magic wouldn't really help at all. For example, Rin's magic can't hurt Saber, because her magic defense is too high. So how would she defend herself against a sword? Shirou on the other hand doesn't have much for offensive magic capabilities, but he is skilled at using a sword, and could probably defend himself better than Rin could in such a situation.
There are a lot of bad ends for doing sensible things. Like running away when you first meet Berserker, when the correct option leads to running away anyway. F/SN is a story you have to be trying to lose to win.
Yeah, when he starts losing a lot of his plot armor in HF, I was thinking, "Sweet, finally!" He was actually sacrificing something of worth and then all of the sudden the route is over and the MC's have a happy ending.
HF normal end best end
What do you want, man?
If you actually take the time you'll understand that Shirou is by far the most interesting character to come out of Type Moon. He doesn't start off as a brooding badass like Kerry, but he has far more depth than him.
I can understand people being turned off by this adaption so far as. Most of the people here that are enjoying it so far have read the source material, which is a big benefit. We know why Shirou acts the way he does, we know what's going to happen, and we know what drives certain characters to do what they do. Someone who only watched Fate/Zero or is new to the Fate series in general would be confused. So far we have really no idea why Shirou is the way he is other than vague flashbacks to the great fire and his conversations with Kiritsugu. If I hadn't read the VN, I would be in the same boat as the others in not liking Shirou because at this point, we have zero reason to like him.
I always hated Shirou for how he's written to be a generic "socially oblivious, always awkward around girls, inexplicably competent and adored, pls insert yourself here otaku-losers" protagonist.
I agree that there was potential for a great character in his concept, but it was just too tainted for me.
"For fuck's sake Shirou stop looking for an opportunity to die you dumb fuck, you're worth something too, consider maybe not jumping in front of every truck that comes down your road"
If that the case then he would know that throwing himself in situations like that means death and a chance at making things worse.
The fact that he doesn't even TRY to become better at fighting or even understanding enough about that world to do what's needed to help others and not be a hinderance or another victim for someone else to help...
It's just ridiculous.
He trains with Saber.
And Archer teaches him about his magic. Kind of.
I'm not talking about his brain damage and autism. That's the other part of his character.
I'm talking about how he's awkward yet capable and, unbeknownst to him, popular. He's surrounded by beautiful women who hunger for his dick.
I'm this fag >>116943998 and I've never read the source material, so I think you're spot on about the people coming straight from Fate/Zero. I watched FZ and was absolutely enthralled up til the last episode, all the character motivations felt so right. Then I watched the earlier anime for FSN and hated it so much. Even the movie didn't really do shit for me. I hate Shirou because he seems like such a Gary Stu self-insertion justice-minded piece of shit. Still, I've known for a while that if I actually played the VN, I'd probably appreciate him better. I just don't want to make the time for it yet
>The fact that he doesn't even TRY to become better at fighting
Nigger are you stupid or does the new show (I'm not watching it) not go over him training with Saber? He specifically asks her to train him so that he won't be a liability
In the VN, how many characters openly were after him at the start of the story? Sakura maybe? It took getting to know the other girls for their interest to spark up. And time and time again Shirou is show getting his ass kicked in the novel; there are 40 bad ends in the game. There's nothing wrong with him becoming competent over the course of the narrative, unless you just want him to be a loser.
At the start? Pretty much none of them were open about it.
Also, what part about his ideal do you not fucking get?
>better then most of the garbage that plagues TM threads
I'd rather take the waifu shitposting, secondary bait, and powerlevels that we have here than all the "muh sexism" and "mature anime for mature people like myself" that makes up most of neogaf's anime discussions.
I mean like actively wanting him. Shirou isn't some super stud. He had one girl who was seriously interested in him (Sakura), and it took the events of the other routes for Saber and Rin to get seriously into him.
Given all his mental problems and struggles he has to face, I really don't see what people would get out of self inserting as him.
Really? I always thought it was pretty obvious that Tohsaka was already crushing on him because of her fetish for high jumping. Mitsuzuri was also making some moves on him (not that he noticed).
Plus he has a giant mansion, a rich onee-san who watches over him and a devoted imouto who cooks for him.
I mean yea, bonus point because he works pretty hard (arguably for all the wrong reasons) but imo you can't deny that his starting position is rather convenient shounen protagonist stuff.
It is said that Rin and Sakura had their eye on him for a while. Saber came in 3rd.
As for self-inserting, who wouldn't want an ideal that beautiful to come true?
And Unlimited Blade Works would be a fucking awesome power to have.
Rin had a passing interest in him, but she didn't get seriously into him until the war. Ayako never seemed to go past bro status for the most part.
I'll give you the mansion, but Taiga is just his guardian; he had no parents to take care of him past the age of like, what? 13?
>There are people in this very thread that watched F/Z before playing/watching F/SN
>There are people in this very thread who are watching the new series as their first exposure to the franchise
Shirou works himself to the bone daily; what's his typical day like? Get up, work out, make a huge breakfast, go to school, usually stay late, go to work, come home, make dinner, practice magecraft, and go to bed.
This dude is getting on average like, 5 hours of sleep a night.
I thought it was heavily implied that she tried but was just bad at it. In the prologue she talks with Tohsaka about getting a boyfriend and everytime she talks to Shirou I get the feeling she's trying but can't get over her ego because he's better at archery or something? I'd take their really awkward date in F/HA as further evidence, if you want to count the fan disc.
Idk maybe I'm just the one channeling Shirou here...
I hated it when people who only watched f/z talked like they were nasuverse masters.
F/z was really made for fans of the f/sn VN. How do I know this? Because the first 5 minutes of f/z blew my mind.
she was baiting him out to use his seals and if he used one would disable and kill him. she wasnt going all in until his trump was neutralized or confirmed he would not all in, which although happened rhino suddenly became a decent shot at a distance.
read the vn.
I haven't played F/HA at all so I can't comment on that, but I never felt like any of her respect for Shirou was romantic at all. Like, I think if Shirou asked her out on a date she' say yes out of "What the hell, why not" because she respects him as a person and as an archer but I don't think she ever had him in mind.
Rin was vaguely interested in him because of the high jump, but would never have cared much more if UBW didn't happen, especially because Sakura was there.
And Taiga wanted to fuck Kerry.
Nah bro, legit feelings.
Though to be fair, she still wants his dick super bad in Prisma, even though there isn't a war.
Rin wasn't romantically interested in Shirou before starting to interact with him, she found him interesting as a specimen because of how strange he is. Mitsuzuri never expresses any interest.
It's doing a pretty poor adapatation of the VN at that, it's all flas>>116944210
h and no substance, by this point in the story Shirou's character is established but they somehow managed to fuck that up.
>Who rushes off to fight an enemy Stand on their own with only an inanimate carbon rod?
Yeah, I'm sure that if he tried running away from the supernatural demon that has stuck a metal chain in his arm you would've called him a genious tactician.
You don't. Rin was occupied and Rider was trying to kill her, Shirous "protect the innocent" directive kicked in and he went fighting Rider to buy time. He realizes he's going to die though, he blocked the first couple of hits because sword instincts, even he realizes it's strange for a human to be able to block that shit.
Shirou is not a normal human being not simply because he feels guilt but he literally has no emotionsand doesn't care about whether he lives or dies. That's they purpose of the Archery cutscene which they still somehow managed to completely miss the point of.
Shirou is not "gppd" at Archer like they were implying he has completely master the ancient Japanese martial art of Archer and will always hit his target if he wants to. That's because he has achieved nothing , and become one with nature.
That's why Ayako was saying he never laughs. Which they managed to screw up. She knows why he never laughs because she had figured he had become one with nature (hell she even tells him).
He's a machine like human who only cares about saving lives. which is supposed to be established by now. Your not supposed to apply normal human thought processes to him because he's fundamentally crazy.
The VN does explain him a lot better. The adaptations butchered the source material, on the half chance you haven't been told. There's a good reason why people say "Read the VN." Hell, his personality's a pretty big plot point in a couple of the routes and they try to explain it. Still a good chunk of asspulls, though.
Him tracing Caliburn came the fuck out of nowhere for me when I read it. Yeah I know there was a bunch of foreshadowing, but fuck.
That's still not really too off the mark, she's not super different.
Even the recent developments with Miyu-Shirou manages to basically "complete" Shirou's character. Prisma literally shows off his two sides; the one from Ilya's universe shows his lighter regular life personality, while the Miyu version shows him in full hero mode.
I stand by that the only one who's super out of character is Ilya herself.
This shit right here. People always expecting shit to be explained in the first one or two episodes. Absolutely fucking retards, even more so since a good majority of things are already laid out you just have to have a brain and you can easily figure most of this shit out. There's also the retards that use subtitles and think that everything being said there is 100% accurate to what's actually being said. This doesn't apply to just FS/N, but all shows.
If you are talking in general, in the first episode there was inner monologue.
If you are talking of a specific missing inner monologue that was SO important, can you please tell me which was?
>Finally a good adaptation
>It's not a good adaptation because they changed one scene I really really like and without that scene the entire story will never work
>Even though there are like two hundreds hinner monologues through the entirety of the story reinforcing the same, basic point, removing that single scene will ruin the adaptation completely and forever
>Fuck you ufotable
I have no words.
Yes but it's not because of guilt, it's or any normal reponse. It's because he simply died and was reborn. Simply showing the fire is an extremely poor way of getting that point across. It's why that scene exists in the firstplace.
I think a lot of people would happier if they just waited for the show to finish then binge.
"Why isn't Shirou a total badass in episode 5 of a 24 episode series?" It's like, what the fuck.
And he practices his spells every single night, and works out every day. He's doing everything he can with the piece of shit cards Kiritsugu left him with.
It's not like he can just stroll to a bookstore and buy a how-to-magic guidebook since that shit is kept secret. He has no connections to the magus world, all he has is Kiritsugus less than halfassed tips and tricks.
It's a poor adaptation because the purpose of the story is not high production values of flashy fights. There's a reason why the climax of the route is an argument.
If you miss all of character explanation and development ithe story serves no purpose, it's literally the entire point. Not the random fights.
>it's not because of guilt
Of course it's because of guilt, Shirou feels indebited to "those that were sacrificed for him to live" and has been desperately searched for a way to atone for his sins. He doesn't actively seek fun because he thinks he doesn't deserve it exactly because by him being alive he feels like he is perpetuating a sin he thought he has committed.
The point is that he knows this is wrong, he knows even thinking about it is pointless because those are the feelings of an idealist and a dreamer, but it's exactly because of that he has to go on.
they will do it, have a bit of faith. Instead of telling they are trying to show. It's a different approach but let's give them some slack, showing the fire is a good point to start and it's better than the endless monologues in the Deen versions that instead of adding depth ruined him even more because Deen didn't understand shit.
It was only the first episode. That's the point, in the rest of the adaption it's not existent. Considering the climax and main purpose of the route is the internal monologues it's kind of important.
> I hate Shirou because he seems like such a Gary Stu self-insertion justice-minded piece of shit
Why do you hate him when you KNOW you are not getting the whole picture? You know you are getting inferior character represented in the Deen/SN and UBW movie. Just ignore those and give him a chance and read the VN or watch this adaptation. Don't just complain about here because you will only be called secondary for it.
Yeah, this is the point where he starts to act cooler. He handled himself well against Rin, and took that hit to the arm like a champ.
I mean this OP is talking about how Shirou is suicidally insane, when that was like a fucking plot point in the very episode. Rin fighting with him was essentially her giving up and wanting to take him out of the game for his own safety due to his action. They cover this, but I don't know, that's not enough for some folks.
Holy fucking shit
>He did it because he liked kiritsugu's smile and thought the ideal was sacred, beautiful and worth protecting
>Because of this, all of the other 900 thousands monologues are non important because shirou is lying to himself or missing the point
Shirou is a complex individual and his mentality is not easily summed in a word. He thinks a lot of shit through the novel and those are not my speculation, those things I wrote are written in the fucking novel. I know he is broken inside but don't you dare say he doesn't feel guilt about those that died in the fire and that he doesn't think he deserves to have fun (even though he IS capable of having it).
Yes that was the point. Your basically admitting to being an idiot and ignoring what was stated in the fucking novel. It was the climax of the novel it was what you were supposed to take away from the story.
You can choose to ignore what the author blatantly wrote as a purpose of the story but don't pretend as if it's the authors attention.
He felt guilt yes but it's not why he does what he fucking does.
If you ever want to argue about the merits of Shirou as a character, you can at least say one thing: People talk about him. 10 years later and people are still argue over his choices and his ideals and everything about him. Can you really say that about Kerry?
Shirou lost his sense of self in the incident 10 years ago. The fear that "I'm going to die" is just raw information to him, without emotional meaning. Who is the "I" that is going to die? It doesn't matter. The thought of dying doesn't factor in his decision-making at all. More important is the thought that "I'm going to do something about this". Normal people whose survival instinct dictates all their behavior can't understand that. If there's 80% chance of dying and 20% chance of achieving something, average person will refrain from acting, because the odds are clearly against him. But to Shirou, the 80% means literally nothing. All he sees is the 20% chance of achieving something, so he will act on it.
That's because Shiroy has what is essentially 3 novels worth of text explaining and exploring his character.
And that Kerry is fairly one dimensional in general, competent but one dimensional.
>Who rushes off to fight an enemy Stand on their own with only an inanimate carbon rod?
How else is he supposed to draw Rider away from Rin who's too occupied with magic surgery to be able to fight?
I'm an animeonlyfag straight from Zero and even I thought it was pretty obvious Emiya was trying to divert attention away from Tohsaka and the girl that was being healed, given what we've learned from his character. I mean he doesn't say it, but it was pretty clear to me. People love the phrase "show, don't tell" but seems like it doesn't work too well in practice, huh?
>Your basically admitting to being an idiot and ignoring what was stated in the fucking novel.
So Nasu describes a complex individual he characterizes through thousands of lines but I am an idiot because I want to see the entire picture instead of summing his entire character, the whole of his human being, with a single phrase?
I wonder who's insulting the source material here, truly.
One day you guys and your elitarism through your sacred bible Nasu wrote will maybe realize why most of the guys here consider you almost my little pony shit as a community, it's impossible to talk about the story because everyone is acting like twelve years old, calling each other names because of single lines of text taken out of context.
You can be a slut virgin, like doing anal and oral and all that other good shit, i imagine.
Even more than that, even Kiritsugu's characterization is explored in a way that still offers insight to Shirou's character. Their differences complement each other more often than not.
>Someone who only watched Fate/Zero or is new to the Fate series in general would be confused. So far we have really no idea why Shirou is the way he is other than vague flashbacks to the great fire and his conversations with Kiritsugu.
At least Zero should improve perspective on Shirou later, considering that Shirou ended up going through the same problems as Kiritsugu, up to and including his attempt to appeal to a higher power to achieve his wish turning out to be just an opportunity to do the exact same "kill few to save many" on a much bigger scale.