>>117772268 I don't see the difference. He was practically already a girl, he was a girl in his own mind and promptly looked like a girl. Genitalia means nothing if the person does not feel one with it. Jun actually believed in his own mind that he was a female, we can all be girls too if we just believe.
She IS 100% girl. Physically, she was 100% girl the moment the apocalypse happened. Mentally and emotionally she has become 100% girl in the time that they have been in the elder tales world.
Dont get me wrong, all the cases of this in LH are unique. The personality change happens at different speeds depending on the person. But Tetra was more than happy with her new body and the transition to female personality occured quickly.
She is 100% girl in every facet in the Elder Tales World. This is a cast iron fact.
Speaking of Log Horizon and especially the last episode are Shiroe and the rest of the raiders in complete scrubs or is Elder Tale such a pleb tier MMO that no one there has never encountered a hard enrage till now?
>>117779366 I always play as a little girl whenever it gives me the option in MMORPG's. Why would I want to stare at a big muscly armed hairy man when I play? I'd much rather stare at a cute little girl.
>>117779366 I normally play a male character in MMOs (the exception being games with set genders for character classes like Vindictus). I think the last MMO character I had played was a male human mage in WoW, so I wouldn't be very cute.
>>117776901 So she's not a boy, at all? Like, she hangs around naotsugu but she thinks it's okay because they are from the opposite genders? Interest lost.
What about the times she dies? Shiroe and Akatsuki saw themselves in their old world bodies. What does Tetra see when she dies? Did she kill herself enough to forget that she was once a boy or something?
>>117779366 Not that cute, actually. When I do play female characters in RPGs, they are most commonly big breasted, pornstar-looking girls. Having a TG fetish myself, this setting allows me to fantasize of big strong men ravaging me.
I've started playing Guild Wars 2 following this trope, and I can only say I wait for the day the Database is real.
>>117779285 Wiping is a fundamental part of top tier progressive raiding, bro.
Fight boss. Wipe. Learn where you went wrong. Change tactics. Wipe again. Rinse and repeat.
You may have not experienced this as you rely on the raid boss tactics guides the top guilds post after spending hours smashing the face on the same boss. Shiroe and co only wiping once when fighting newer and harder content that is above their average gear level is an incredible feat in itself.
>>117779285 >hurr durr whenever I raid I have already read up on all the tactics and strategies the top tier raiders have posted for me on phatboss
Those top tier raiders didnt have anyone handing out easy tactics. Those tactics that you skimmed and then listened to your two-bit raid leader bark at you were often created from hours upon hours of players better than you dying repeatedly on the same boss and making tiny little gains each time.
>>117780789 >>117780831 >>117780887 >Transported into video game >Female avatar has a big nice ass >tfw you realize it's your ass >tfw female asses don't turn you on anymore >Instead you find yourself attracted to the male players walking by you It's a cruel world we live in, a cruel world.
>>117781153 That can't be. I wouldn't let it be. My passion for the female ass would surely let me remain a lesbian. If not at least bisexual. I mean, trans people exist or something so surely this is nothing in the face of my lust.
>>117781168 >>117781353 Chances are you would probably be attracted to men, actually. Remember that this isn't taking out your brain and putting it into a female body, it is actually changing every atom of you body so as to make a female one.
The brain depends just as much on biology as psychology, While it is true you would retain your memories of being attracted to women (as shown in LH), every day of your body constantly pumping out estrogen would surely have some effect in your mind.
Add to that the fact that every time you die you lose part of your memories, which is exactly the only thing tying you down to your previous sexuality, and you've got pretty slim chances of staying attracted to females.
Unless you propose a dualist understaing of sexuality, to which I would reply with uncontrolled laughter.
>>117781751 It sounds like you're majorly disgruntled that the cool kids never let you play in their group. Maybe wiped to a lot of old content in PUGs because you couldn't maintain enough composure and maturity to work together with a decent guild, that sort of thing. Rather typical.
Anon, I was one of those "cool kids". I am bitter about it partly because I was always bitter about people leaching our tactics and partly because now I look back at it, it was such a retarded thing to be so invested in.
So many hours wasted doing the fucking graveyard run.
>>117781751 Not only is there no real advantage to hoarding secrets/strategies to yourself, it is unlikely that any guild operating under that mentality is going to have the level of talent and cohesiveness to actually be one of the progression guilds generating those strategies.
>>117781168 Sexual orientation is principally rooted in brain structure. The brain is sexually dimorphic and homosexuals have brains that in some respects resemble those of the opposite sex. And there have been experiments on animals where exposing the embryonic brain to hormones that the opposite sex would receive results in animals that display sexual behavior normally found in the opposite sex. Therefore, if the character's brain changed in these respects during the transformation, it would make sense for the character's sexual preferences to be altered.
I'm not saying that one's sexual orientation would necessarily have to change (after all one could imagine a character ending up with what was effectively a lesbian brain), but the idea that it could happen seems plausible enough.
>>117781929 >I am bitter about it partly because I was always bitter about people leaching our tactics Many of the basic tactics you used and took for granted were painstakingly created by those who came before you; we all stand upon the shoulders of giants Anon
>>117782030 Log Horizon does seem to have mind body duality as canon though. The body and mind are in the same place now, which is why memories are lost, but they're still separate things. Of course it's magic, so writers can do whatever the hell they want.
>>117782181 >and perference changes I don't recall this ever stated. Hell, even the personality changes could be explained by socialization. The voice changes, but that really doesn't imply everything else does too.
>>117781770 I wouldn't say it is determinal, which is why I used "would surely have some effect". Together with the memory loss, think of youself a year into the Database:
You have died a lot by now, you don't even remember how you looked before the event, but you are pretty sure you were male (you distinctly remember some interaction with someone, maybe your dad congratulating you when you graduated school, or something). You have learned to cope with the female body quite quickly, having used the advice from your female friends: you now take good care of your hair and face, know how to put on a bra properly, learn how to control periods, you have even acquired the habit of looking at guy's eyes so as to make sure they are not staring at your breasts. All the friends you have made since the Apocalypse treat you as a female, and you can even feel some strangers ogling you every once in a while. You take good measure so as not to imply anything when dealing with the opposite sex.
Just one fateful night, fighting off some goblins with some strangers, a spear goes through your heart. You wake up, and you no longer remember a bit of your life before the Apocalypse. Were you male? Female? All you know is you picked a female character, and that you are currently female.
Building on the premise that you lose your memories of your past life, that would include sexuality. Unless, again, you really suggest sexuality is somewhere outside of the body, like your soul.
>>117781929 Sorry but you're not doing a very good job of convincing me with your attitude that you were ever a serious contributing, competent player. The image you're broadcasting is "disgruntled second-rate guild struggling for scraps of e-fame".
>>117782328 Again though, this can be explained by socialization. You live as a girl, get treated like a girl, you're going to act more like a girl. Plus, most male players with female characters were probably more inclined to do girly things to begin with.
>>117782030 The brain of a female and a brain of a male is different for sure. Both male and female brains are very adaptive. When a male becomes a female, their personality will change. What might not change is the sexual attraction. Female brain is more flexible when considering sexual partners when compared to males. So if you are a male who likes females, but then became a female yourself, you probably will still like females. But you will also be more open to male partners. Its just how the brain works in female brain. The opposite might not be true because if a female becomes a male, their sexual preference most likely wont change because male brains are more rigid.
>>117782724 And all I can say is if that's the way you think then you very clearly were never in a true progression guild, and have constructed a fantasy of what they were like based on your own experiences with guilds of lesser quality.
>>117782587 Heterosexual women do show physical arousal to stimuli from both sexes, however that simply means that their sexual orientation doesn't depend on simple arousal like it does for men. Studies indicate that there isn't a higher rate of homosexual activity amongst women when compared to men, so women aren't more prone to bisexual activity than men.
>>117782794 >I think that end game raiders are happy care bares sharing their data to their hugbox
I remember Paragon withholding the video of themselves being the first to down an endgame boss in WoW because they didnt want to reveal their tactics until at least a few dozen more guilds had managed to kill it by themselves.
You really dont know anything about the pride, competitive and near autistic nature of endgame progression raiders
>>117782875 This could be attributed to social pressure though. Studies have shown homosexual fantasies to be common in both genders. However, society has very strong pressures towards heterosexual relationships. It's not uncommon for people who identify as gay to have long term heterosexual relationships in response to that pressure.
>>117782587 IIRC, sexual attraction works a bit differently in men and women. In straight men, they aroused by and attracted to the same things, namely tits and ass. Straight women, on the other hand, are aroused by both sexes, but attracted to men. That's the source of the 'all women are bisexual' claim that was going around a few years back.
>>117783031 I agree that it's hard to determine the source of heterosexual female sexual preferences. It seems quite likely that societal pressure will play a role. Still, female sexual orientation isn't as well understood as that of males so there may be other factors.
Assuming that the societal environment played a primary role, we can imagine that a male that magically ended up with a hetrosexual female brain would probalby still be aroused by women but would also be aroused by men. The latter would be novel for her and may well cause her to question her sexuality, especially due to their previous exclusive attraction to women. So I suppose that she could end up with a man (based on the realization that she's now attracted to them and an eventual self-identification as a woman) or a woman (based on a refusal to abandon her previous identity).
>changing into a female body makes you attracted to men Sorry but this is just idiotic. You keep trying to act like sexuality is just some trivially flipped switch dependent on today's hormone ratios and not something that's become an ingrained part of these adult characters' personalities.
>b-but they lose memories and become more like their new bodies when they die! They lose MEMORIES, not their intrinsic personality. Don't talk to me about brain chemical structure and neurons here fucksticks, the author isn't a doctor. In the context of the series, these two things are established to be separate.
>b-but people are becoming more like their new gender! The only character we have to use as evidence of this is Tetra, and she was ALREADY extremely girly and WANTED TO BE SO. The only other thing we've learned is peoples' voices changing, which is purely physical. There is literally zero evidence to suggest anything about sexual preferences changing against a person's will.
The entire crux of the argument, which has gotten way off track, was assuaging the fears of poor fools like >>117781153 who think they'd immediately start craving dick if they went into the database. This runs alongside the same old misconceptions that anyone who plays a female character must secretly be gay or want to become a dickslut.
If you have a strong male mind but a female body, the database isn't going to overwrite that. IF you are already confused enough about who you are and what you want now, you might find yourself drifting to a new lifestyle (as you easily could in real life in the right environment). But the database is not going to turn you INTO something that you are not.
>>117782278 Unless you are dying nonstop, the memory loss is nowhere near so significant that you forget who you used to be, especially after a year. Even William's raiding guild doesn't seem to have any of those sorts of issues and they've wiped a fair bit bashing their heads against high level raids
>>117783674 >intrinsic personality No such evidence. All evidence points to people's personality changing over time. People's brain is a very malleable thing. The advent of brain scans helped this fact become scientifically accepted.
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