Is Mahoyo another form of TM garbage? It is literally praised by weebs who can read Nihonjese while no translation is out, but I bet that they'll turn their back on it when it gets popular
Shirou or Soujuurou, they're both hard workers with agreeable personalities (if rather dense). Shirou is a better cook, Soujuurou is purer.
Shiki would probably end up raping you sooner or later.
>there's people out there who don't enjoy TM works
It's like you hate having fun.
The important stuff about their childhood was touched upon in the game and nothing says that the clock tower won't show up in the sequels. Besides, the game focused pretty heavily on the most important aspect of their relationship, which is their rivalry.
>complaining about Soujuurou
In term of Nasu stuff:
CCC > Mahoyo > FSN > Tsukihime > FHA
Nothing he did is bad but it's not like there is anything great either, he is well in the 8/10 territory.
Though the sequels of Mahoyo could do something pretty nice if they keep the same production values and keep developing the setting/cast, chapter 5 of Mahoyo is probably the best thing Nasu wrote overall, it was awesome
But yeah it's hard to really get into the TM hype when you have access to stuff like Dies Irae or Muramasa
You get Fate/Extra zZz somewhere around 2019 and that's the last you ever hear of TM, because Nasu will be living off of fanfic novel and anime royalties for the rest of his life without ever touching the pen again.
I reread FSN in Japanese one year ago and both Mahoyo and CCC have much better writing, FSN's script is really really unrefined compared to everything he did recently.
And I put CCC first because it really felt like Nasu had a lot of fun writing it and I had a lot of fun reading it (the gameplay part wasn't very good though)
It's true that Mahoyo doesn't have much story and unlike it's previous stuff Nasu doesn't try to do anything really "epic" with it but it's pretty self-contained in its own right and manage to build a mood unlike anything he did before, in term of characterization it's also some of the solid stuff he wrote.
As for Extra itself disliking the setting may be understandable and the game itself isn't much more than a cash cow but CCC did a lot of interesting stuff with the setting and is more like a thematic follow-up to the entire series rather than a cash cow, at least that's how I saw it
>If he is too lazy to write why not just hire someone to do it for him or something.
Well actualy they pay him royalties to write in the Nasuverse.
See Apocrypha, Prisma , Strange Fake
>but CCC did a lot of interesting stuff with the setting
Doesn't help if I dislike the whole setting
>and is more like a thematic follow-up to the entire series
No matter what Nasu said I realy don't see that
They're just the two go to chunni VNs that aren't translated people always mention to give off a false sense of elitism and attempt to shit on Fate. Neither are anywhere near as popular, and only Muramasa is regarded as having the same quality. Dies Irae is a tier below FSN and Muramasa.
Writing encompass more than just prose you know, Nasu got a lot better at pacing and making sure the scenes are relevant too.
If you just care about the barebone story FSN has a "greater" concept sure but that's just for 2004, some titles already did the same but better since.
Soujuurou for sure. He's like a male version of the typical magic pinkhaired airhead moeblob that pops out of nowhere and doesn't understand anything about the world.
Popularity plays a role in hype and the quality I later described has nothing to do with popularity, otherwise I wouldn't have said Muramasa is regarded as having the same quality as FSN.
There is no actual correlation between quality and popularity you know
And again you are talking about shit you have no idea about so you mentioning Muramasa like it gives you some credence is pretty fucking stupid
>There is no actual correlation between quality and popularity you know
I have not implied one, and if you think I have, you're an idiot who doesn't understand what hype means and have a very low level of reading comprehension.
The latest version also doesn't even have over 200 votes.
I know what hype is and that's has nothing to do with quality, that's why I'm telling you there is no correlation to be made there.
Hype is all about timing, countless artists that are considered great nowadays ended their life in poverty because they missed that timing, that little bit of chance.
And countless utter shits manage to sell millions because they were released at the good time and managed to find their public.
That has nothing to do with popularity once again.
And once again I'm telling you that whatever you think is of no matter since you didn't actually play through these games.
>that's why I'm telling you there is no correlation to be made there
Which doesn't matter since it's completely irrelevant to the point made that has nothing to do with statements made in the original argument. I never implied popularity = quality, I specifically went out of my way to avoid that implication by saying FSN and Muramasa are regarded as having the same level of quality despite the popularity difference, and you still stick by this point for no reason other than your own misunderstanding of what I said.
>And once again I'm telling you that whatever you think is of no matter since you didn't actually play through these games.
What does that have to do with the general opinion at large in regards to what people think of these games? I could say that my favorite VN is Tsukihime, but me having played it isn't all of a sudden going to magically make it more well regarded than FSN.
>What does that have to do with the general opinion at large in regards to what people think of these games?
You know nothing about the "opinion at large" too you fucking idiot, you are just seeing some numbers in egs and think they mean something without caring about their real significance
>think they mean something without caring about their real significance
And what real significance do these numbers have then if egs is somehow so much more magically different than every other rating site out there? That all the well rated VNs on that site aren't actually good? egs isn't the only place out there I can look to see that VNs like MLA, Clannad, or WA2 are still held in high regard.
It's pretty different actually.
Egs itself is the playground of 2ch users and is countless going through waves of anti-pro wars, stema and artificial hype
Then you have to take into account the time these titles were released and the situations these titles were in at that time.
Dies Irae for example got a lot of anti because people were fed up with the releases and rereleases due to Light incompetence, that has nothing to do with the intrinsic quality of the game itself.
Another famous example would be Asairo, the game itself is fantastic but it got a really low rating in egs because the game marketed itself as having several heroines but ended up having only one with only one real sex scene.
And then you have to consider that the rating themselves don't correlate with each other since they aren't made by the same people, people who rated shit in 2004 aren't necessarily the same people who rate shit in 2010 and they don't have the same vision of things
In FSN's case in 2004 there was nothing really like it and it was hyped to hell and back since 2002 or so with it even appearing in mainstream media at that time, that was before its release, and hype build on hype.
That has nothing to do with quality (not saying FSN is bad by the way)
Anyways like I said before you see the number but you don't understand what they really mean, you'd have a better case if you used actual reviews but it's not like you can read moon
So stop being a retard who use the words of other people to form its own
Hey should I wait for fuwanovel to upload their torrent of it or can I find a torrent to the game somewhere else where there are a decent amount of seeds for it.
I've tried google but I've only seen ones that have either a couple of seeders or just no seeds at all.
At least they nailed the art, where was the guy who did the art hiding all this time?
The Tsukihime remake will be fucking vastly inferior than this.
Anyway I tried to install the game and it doesn't run, any ideas?
Two things are inevitable despite what TMfaggots believe:
1.) The inevitable translation will at least boost it's relevancy, if only by a little.
2.) This will get an anime adaption.
It;s just a matter of time.
>it's completed it's just in TLC
Don't expect that to change anytime soon.
I doubt it'll get an anime, especially with what they said in the interviews leading up to the release.
>look closely at that page you'll also see that it hasn't been updated in a year and a half now
Fuck how did I miss that.
God I take it back
This shit is super depressing why has it been so long.
If you removed his bandage, would he die?
Too bad presentation is amongst the less important things in a vn, unlike having voices, branching/lengthy story, good OST...
Mahoyo is the shortest TM novel and will never be translated because no one cares for it
I STILL HAVE HOPE THAT HIS MAJESTY IS STILL ALIVE AND IS SPENDING TIME WITH C.C.
Happy Birthday Lelouch.
ALL HAIL LELOUCH!!!! THE 99TH EMPEROR!!!!!!!!!!!
Go home Enkidu
Whenever being a Mahoyo-fags gets me down, I think about you people and remember count my blessings.
Hang in there.
Also Lancer is the only servant Gil calls by name in F/SN. I don't remember whether he called Iskander by name
>1500 years since the Battle of Camlann
>not praising the glory and majesty that is King Arthur of Camelot
A guard dog and a man outwitted by a serpent are not worthy of such respect.
I was not a hound of taking of a fort,
I was a hound of taking of a deer:
I was not a hound of a forbidden trotter,
I was a hound strong for combat:
I was not a hound of round lickings of leavings,
I was a hound who visited the troops:
I was not a hound to watch over calves,
I was a hound to guard Emain Macha.
That guard dog did a far better job than your failing king
Only thing out of those you listed that's objectively above presentation is story. The rest just function to set the atmosphere, which is something Mahoyo's presentation does very well. The reason people don't really care for Mahoyo as much is not because of a lack of voices and porn, but because it's so small. It doesn't feel like a complete story like Tsukihime or Fate do. It feels like a glorified prologue, which I guess it is if Nasu really is going to make it a trilogy.