>>117927193 >and it only works when the enemy would die if you pierce his hearth Actualy Nasu compared it to an attack that does 100% of the targets health + X damage. You are underestimating the thousands of thorns completly destroying your whole body >avalon Saber doesn't have Avalon >and she managed to dodge it once Yes and that was already a small chance, while Cu could use it 7 times in a row
>>117926371 Arthur was never the strongest servant, she is only called "The strongest class". This is something Rin called her purely because Saber is the class that made it to the end in all previous grail wars, not because it necessarily is the strongest class.
Gilgamesh is directly stated to be the strongest servant, Saber would only be called that by a character in the story who only had a small reference of servants rather than it being a direct fact.
>>117927912 >She is the servant with the strongest set of base stats.
This is also incorrect, even when she's pumped up beyond what she was in life, she doesn't have the highest base total.
>>117927319 An extraordinarily gifted and disciplined human buffed by prehistoric magic that is several magnitudes beyond what modern magecraft is remotely capable of, using an attack that would never work twice against any competent combatant. That shit would have worked against anyone.
Just look at Lu Bu, Just counting up the first three or four of his stats will yield a higher base total than even Alter at her peak.
100 100 80 60 60 50
Stats aren't everything, but she does not have the highest stat or base total to date. There are many stronger in terms of power or ability, meanwhile Saber is like the Superman of servants. She doesn't have the greatest everything, instead she has all around basics at a high amount.
>>117937818 >Everything else about Alter is shittier than Saber:
People always want to make Alter out to be the worst Saber or at least "Far weaker than Rin Saber, which is the best one!". Denying the story itself in order to rationalize this answer they've decided for themselves.
>>117927319 I'm so fucking tired of seeing posts like this Every single god damn time
He's incredibly strong due to using his finishing move and added on top of that he was buffed by someone from the Age of fucking Gods Stop saying he's a normal fucking human. Under Caster, he's anything BUT a normal human
All this stat shit barely matters All that matters are the NPs and how you use them Archer has some of the worst stats in the whole nasuverse but you can't deny him being able to hold his own against any single servant
Saber is always struggling in every single battle. Shitty master doesn't excuse her because it was the same with powerfull masters.
Gilgamesh by comparision is so strong the only weakness the plot put on him was "being too lazy to curbstomp everyone instantly". Now THAT gives some justice to claims of being the strongest servant.
Herakles is actually far from being the strongest but also mantained the illusion better than Saber by virtue of being a powerfull presence in most of his fights needing the sacrifice of Top Tier Archer to diminish his strenght or the might of gilgamesh to completely anhilate.
Compared to Gil and Herc. Arturia looks pretty average. Hell she even strggled fighting a fake servant and a powered up human. Action-wise Saber looks closer in strenght to the likes of Rider while she's canonly much stronger but said strenght rarely shows.
>"But she lost Riding and a bit of Charisma, she's far far far weaker than Rin's Saber, which is her apex from life. Alter is literal shit in comparison."
I know about the stat totals, what's changed, and people what people who vote for Rin Saber as the best ever will tend to say about how Alter is far weaker as proved by her losing to Shirou. Despite how the VN makes note that she's at her strongest there and stronger than she was in life. In overall ability she is better than even prime Saber.
>"You're saying she would surely win any fight against OG Saber? No, Surely Saber would outspeed her and then use Aval-"
No servant will "surely" beat any other, however people love to absolutely undersell Alter hooked up to infinite energy, infinite regen, infinite manga blasts, while overselling their own version saying strange things like "Surely she'd have Avalon" and "Alter lost to Shirou, she's weak shit, this is fact".
I'm sure the replies will be "No, but she's shit compared to normal Saber" in some fashion.
>>117942649 Caster invades the house, Saber fights some dragon tooth soldiers, Caster reveals Fuji-nee, and it ends with the stabbing. It's not hard to assume what might be changed, since there's not really another part where Saber fights soldiers like that anyway here.
>>117942958 Ufo's been trying to talk to english speaking viewers for a while through their facebook and some contests. I think someone posted a drawing they got from them, with ayako and sakura on it sometime after episode 4, It's mostly been in broken english.
>>117943271 Saber is pretty strong. In this scene for example she only lost because of Shirou's clever tactics that exploited his knowledge of her abilities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03_zjBvMjIY
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