It's called "20min Walk From Nishi-Ogikubo Station, 2 Bedrooms, Living Room, Dining Room, Kitchen, 2mos Deposit, No Pets Allowed"
It end up being a video of a girl walking for 20 minutes from Nishi-Ogikubo Station to an apartment she wants to visit before renting and it ends with her putting her hand on the door knob.
Not a single word during the travel.
JESUS CHRIST MY PANTS ARE SOILED
>That fucking animation
>THAT FUCKING OHIRA CUT
Best Animator Expo so far
Patrician choice, as opposed to /v/'s MEMEME Meme shit.
>that tit jiggle
Aight, I assume you want subbed: https://mega.co.nz/#!1N0hXK6L!f0CHyBH96SkuQKVnWhPscgPdFPrpZVrS9yJ9hUaqP9A (Maybe I will upload them all, I forget my upload is fast as fuck sometimes)
I'm saying this one was great, my point is that this entire project will go unnoticed except for me!me!me! because crossboarders like explosions and boobs
The people watching that don't know shit about animation, shit, there's people in this thread who have no idea who any of the key animators for this are.
Well who gives a shit what crossboarders like anyways
It's better for them not to know about this shit
Yes. "few nerds" who aren't new as shit. Learn to lurk moar rather than asking to be spoonfed everything or showing how dumb you are
People said they got into a fight when they're making Dennou Coil.
Honda quit his job as the chief animation director of the show because Iso was too hard on him.
But of course we'll never know for sure what happened.
I think it was more of creative differences. In Nip animation everyone's used to being berated and overworked.
Judging by this thread there are some intelligent anons left. We should expect to have interesting discussions about animation rather than getting dragged down by /v/ and crossboarders and general newfriends who don't know shit about what they're talking about.
/a/ is still elitist at heart.
So is Akira Honma's name actually Homma? They consistently spell it like that on the site.
Unless my memory is faulty it said Honma at first but it seems they have changed it at some point.
You could say the same for all of /a/ if you don't know what you're talking about. If you can't deal with elitism, go back to /v/
So call them out and tell them to lurk moar
No, but it's a good start. And hey, better to read them and know a little than to know nothing and still mouth off.
Welp, that was really good. I think I still like Dragon Dentist the most though.
>there's people in this thread who have no idea who any of the key animators for this are
Sorry, I just don't really know animators well enough to be excited about particular ones, or be able to match ones with a style outside of like... Yuasa.
If anyone has a more vague style, I don't know. Especially becaus Yuasa got his style from Shin-Chan
>Sorry, I just don't really know animators well enough to be excited about particular ones
That's fine, just lurk and try to educate yourself, and don't act like a retard
Really? I think his style is pretty obvious compared to some of this stuff... watching MADs now, and like, a lot of the people mentioned here >>118218613 seem to have a less distinct style. Then again, maybe it's mostly because they're all realists and Yuasa is more simplistic.
some animators have distinct style. Also if you have a favourite animator, you guess it more easily.
Credits give some hints sometimes with the order (chronological order, importance order, number of cuts amount order)
Same anon as here >>118221529
– as an artist myself I can certainly appreciate well-directed and drawn animation, especially when it's very fluid and retains detail. I don't know that I could speak with any amount of authority since I've never cel animated anything myself, but I can certainly appreciate it.
the point i think everyone's trying to make is that you don't need to know every animator who's ever lived, you just need to appreciate it. The retards who went crazy over the other short weren't doing so because of the animation, they were just doing it because it was colorful and "lol so trippy xD"
Well, that anon said that he was disappointed there were people who have "no idea who any of the key animators for this are", which is a category I fall into, and that's what I was responding to in particular originally.
No, it's because Yuasa's style has been done by other animators, and he took it from others
Because many of them have notable styles or mannerisms. Look at the ending of this short. The surrealist part, when it all got chaotic, was clearly Ohira, who's known for this shit.
The others are a little harder, but you can tell Inoue and Okiura apart from the way they animate bodies and choreograph movements.
If you know about animation, it's natural to know about animators. Few film buffs have never heard about Kurosawa or Hitchcock. Same here. If someone claims to know about animation but not any animators, they're bullshitting you, and similarly someone who knows animators usually has better judge of animation than someone who doesn't.
There's nothing wrong in doing both. They don't conflict. If anything, knowing one strengthens the others. It's preferable to know both. I can more accurately describe the style of Kameda because I know about how smears work in animation, and knowledge of Obari lets you provide tangible examples of 80s effect lighting. And then there are effects tied to specific people. Dezaki and his postcard memories or Shinbou and his retarded fish-eyes.
You're just trying to find excuses at this point. The thing is, everyone can spout a half-baked "opinion" no matter how little they know. It takes some level, though a very minimal one, to know the people behind it.
Well, it goes both ways. If not for Iso's flair no one else could've done it that way. And he's done plenty of other stuff. GitS, Jojo, etc.
What kind of artist? You professional or amateur or a student?
Hey, if you can bluff that well you don't need to know shit.
>Well, it goes both ways. If not for Iso's flair no one else could've done it that way. And he's done plenty of other stuff. GitS, Jojo, etc.
You misunderstood what I said. I'll rephrase: the Sistine Chapel isn't great because Michelangelo painted it, Michelangelo is great because he painted the Sistine Chapel.
>No, it's because Yuasa's style has been done by other animators, and he took it from others
Sure, but still, compared to the vast majority of anime his art style is distinct and it's pretty obvious when he's done something. Like, I know this isn't an accomplishment or anything, but I watched Cat Soup for the first time recently and was like "oh, this was animation directed by Yuasa," without looking it up, because it was obvious.
>What kind of artist? You professional or amateur or a student?
Professional in name only; I have a professional degree but haven't really been doing any professional work since graduation.
His animation style honestly isn't all that original. It's his usual subject matter and his cinematography on top that makes it apparent.
That is, though action shows often incorporate Yuasa's blurry lines and freeform shapes, Yuasa himself rarely works on them.
I still dun't get it. You say it like those works defined them or gave them the skills. But that's not true. Sistine chapel was a later work after Michaelangelo had already developed his skills and was well-known for David and Pieta and shit.
Because names are all that matter.
I'm not being sarcastic.
Branding is extremely important.
If names didn't entirely matter, wouldn't be ghost writers or labeling someone's name on something to make it sell better.
>There's nothing wrong in doing both. They don't conflict. If anything, knowing one strengthens the others. It's preferable to know both. I can more accurately describe the style of Kameda because I know about how smears work in animation, and knowledge of Obari lets you provide tangible examples of 80s effect lighting. And then there are effects tied to specific people.
I agree you have to learn some vocabulary but you can have a good opinion without it. You can say 'blur' instead of 'smears' when you don't know the word i.e
Actually my point is some self acclaimed experts recognize names but can't really explain why it's good.
Mmm, I'm not really sure what you're saying. I mean, I know that he's not completely original, what I'm saying is that it seems to me that it's really obvious when he's done animation or directing work on something, compared to the realist animators where they each may have their own 'tinge' to something, but still may animate very similarly.
By the way, you see this week's Danna ga Nani wo Itteiru ka Wakaranai Ken? Imazaki was really good.
Well, I'm glad I got it, but I don't think it's gonna help me find much work.
Intelligent and knowledgeable are entirely different.
In your imagination anyway.
Anon, your prudery defies logic.
By good do you mean technically proficient?
I don't know why are you responding to my statement, but if you mean the subs explain that is a sexual fantasy I have no idea what you mean.
If you asking literally where they are, then you need to learn to how to use a media player better.
I'm with you. Yuasa's animation can definitely stand out. On his Space Dandy episode I assumed he did the scene in end when the sun scorches them because in an episode that was all Yuasa that was even more so.
Well alright then.
Thanks, I'm glad someone agrees with me.
Well, aren't you hardcore?
Thank you for posting this comprehensive list. Opposed to the well-known sakuga list from you know where, this is one focused on animators and a good entry point for people who would like to know more about the industry's key animators.
>I agree you have to learn some vocabulary but you can have a good opinion without it. You can say 'blur' instead of 'smears' when you don't know the word i.e
That's a very superficial way to look at it. Take it from my anecdote, that I can understand much more now about anime that I know about, well, animation, or the fact that it's agreed upon by every critic and artist out there. Your understanding and appreciation and judgement is expanded exponentially by your knowledge of the subject matter. Things you never would've thought of, like squash and stretch, become super apparent when you understand how it works.
Ultimately, animation, like any art, is a very deliberate device. It's filled with subtleties and techniques used to bring out responses. You don't realize them until you learn about animation, and when you do, it expands your worldview dramatically.
It's the difference between "this scene has good atmosphere" or "this part looks cool" and "The digital bloom and simulated short lens creates a realist effect" and "by omitting internal lines and complex shading, animators are given more freedom to animate distorted limb motion and play with perspective"
There's a reason every film 101 class starts with teaching you the tools of the trade. You need to know the tools to know their effects, or rather, the effects produced are only in relation to the tools. Saying that someone who has know knowledge of anime production can make worthwhile comments on anything but the most basic elements like story and characters is laughable.
>Actually my point is some self acclaimed experts recognize names but can't really explain why it's good.
And my point is, if they can recognize names, they're probably better off than someone who can't. You don't learn about even the basics of animation without knowing a few animators.
>Thank you for posting this comprehensive list. Opposed to the well-known sakuga list from you know where, this is one focused on animators and a good entry point for people who would like to know more about the industry's key animators.
I agree it's a great list, but not a great entry point. Very text-heavy and jargonic
>Well, aren't you hardcore?
As much as I want Sakuga to become more well-known, there's no excuse for newfaggotry.
So true, Mememe is an absolute abomination, one of the worst pieces of trash I have ever watched, thank god the other episodes were better or I would have dropped caring about this project from the beginning.
>Oh no it already got popular, better start hating on it
I found the limited animation really jarring. Not that it was choppy or anything, but because it was terribly inconsistent. The frame count changed so often, and commonly during action heavy scenes too. That's probably my biggest complaint with the episode.
I know the mememe hate bandwagon is strong but honestly it wasn't half bad. The music was good, the video wasn't badly animated or anything, and some parts were really creative. I like The way the palette got gradually darker as the video went on, from light blues and pastel yellows and pinks to Violets and Cerulean to Dark red and Purple and Navy blues. That was pretty creative I think.
That and, you know, tit cannons. And clit wire.
Jesus christ the cringe
Mememe was absolute trash and it's fanbase is even worse, it's easily the worst short out of the ones shown off so far and considering how low it set the bar I don't think anything will be able to go lower if it tried.
Now you're really sounding ironic, the only bandwagon going on with mememe is the tit and fanservice jerkfest for it. Music was generic wubshit and the animation was choppy as fuck and nothing but a bunch of random images and scenes sloppily thrown together with no consistency.
Yeah I noticed the frame count too. But I think it gave it a cool effect because the frame count dropped during the beginning and end, where you familiarize yourself with the environment. It gives me this sort of drowsy feeling like in the morning.
Guys... can we stop talking about ME!ME!ME! and get back to talking about this one instead?
I thought this short was pretty cute and the animation was fucking great. I loved the pleasant pastel colors especially. It really brought out the whimsical mood.
That's an assumption, don't you think? I discussed it with people in those first threads, and yes, I expressed the fact that I disliked it and talked about why.
Fwiw, I'm not either of the people quoted here >>118224640. I was just stating that I disliked it even before it got shitposted incessantly for weeks.
First of all that's bullshit, the only vocal people have been the ones bandwagoning on mememe as some kind of super 2deep4u bullshit and fapping to the tits and fanservice, everyone else here saw it, disliked it from the start, and never talked about it again because it was genuine trash, there's nothing special about having taste.
>Simulating live-action camera artifice =/= "realist effect"
What's your definition of realism then? Early 20th century literature about immigrant workers?
If it tries to evoke a more natural feeling, a more authentic feeling, with the use of a camera nuance, then I'd call that a "realist effect". Granted, such things could also be used as a form of contrast or focus, but to say that bloom and simulated variable focus can't be used to evoke a feeling of the real world is just stupid. It's used in movies, video games, even anime all the time for that purpose.
Great example, Transformers. I don't like Bay's shit usually, don't get me wrong, but he uses bloom and very obstructive glares and lighting effects in CGI-heavy scenes to sort of obstruct that a little, take away from the obvious fakeness of it all by giving it realistic elements.
And Bach is just generic Baroqueshit
LOL you fucking faggot. i bet you wouldn't even touch teddyloid if he wasn't related to anime. not that hes anything more than generic EDM shit but MADE IN JAPAN WIF ANIMEZ
go back to listening to anime OPs and gorillaz you fucking dumb pleb nigger
>I disliked it even before
Oh you special little snowflake, how do you survive in this cruel world
>Saying that someone who has know knowledge of anime production can make worthwhile comments on anything but the most basic elements like story and characters is laughable.
I kinda agree but I believe there're things you can tell like realistic physics or fluidity. Having other background can help (cinema, science). It's a way of commenting animation even it's just an aspect. Still better than "omg okiura oh shit inoue is god go lurk moar faggot"
>And my point is, if they can recognize names, they're probably better off than someone who can't. You don't learn about even the basics of animation without knowing a few animators.
Sometimes I doubt it when I read posts here but you are theoretically right. Problem is the lack of source about japanese animation. You mostly learn basics from western books. You can read the whole Animator's Survival Kit without learning anything about japanese names.
You're trying too hard. I'm just saying that popularity had nothing to do with my dislike of it.
The provocation is that hardly anyone will be talking about this, let alone any of the other episodes from the expo, because everyone just jumps all over mememe like a bunch of retards and work that actually took effort and actually has some good things to it like this episode will be ignored by the masses, it says a whole fucking lot about the anime industry today as a whole.
I don't believe in the notion of "realistic" filming. Realistic content, characterization, drawing, animation, soundscape, dialogue, hell I'll even give you blocking and framing, but the film effects themselves are always taking away from reality no matter what.
This is why there's so many shitty "schools" of realism here. Handheld overly lo-fi stuff? Oh it's realist because it's as if it was real footage taken by random dudes!
Super careful, filtered, polished stuff? Oh it's realist because it emulates real world optics! (it doesn't)
What's "realistic" about bloom, focus pulls and grain filters? They're film effects that enhance perception. If you're already enhancing perception, you're going away from what perception is like in actual reality.
I usually don't care either way, but if I had to choose I'd say I'm against animated works aggressively chasing at these sorts of live-action filters and techniques used to work around the camera. Animation doesn't have a camera in the same way, it doesn't have to be limited by it.
the idea is commendable but it lacks of depth as if he wants to share as many as he can but it ends superficial
It's nowhere near anipages freaking detailed posts or raito-kun's blog. I can understand because it's probably time consuming and not rewarding
>Thread goes to shit the moment Me!Me!Me! is mentioned
It truly brings out the worst of the worst.
They're 30 shorts anyway, there are going to be a lot more and only faggots that watched mememe for the "wackiness" won't care.
Please don't do that shit
It makes you look worse than him
>I kinda agree but I believe there're things you can tell like realistic physics or fluidity. Having other background can help (cinema, science). It's a way of commenting animation even it's just an aspect. Still better than "omg okiura oh shit inoue is god go lurk moar faggot"
Oh, definitely. Other backgrounds help a ton.
But that said, you need some background to understand it, be film or animation or whatever.
If people are telling you to lurk moar faggot, you probably should. Nothing personal. Of course, discussion is better, but if you don't know someone as famous as Okiura I don't know what to say.
>Sometimes I doubt it when I read posts here but you are theoretically right. Problem is the lack of source about japanese animation. You mostly learn basics from western books. You can read the whole Animator's Survival Kit without learning anything about japanese names.
In the end, what matters is your posting quality. If you understand animation well enough to give a reasoned response despite not knowing any names, No one will complain. Though rarely is it that way.
It doesn't matter, I'm providing rebuttle against those who are for whatever reason saying mememe was better than this, that's provocation
Look at this>>118225412, that's exactly what I'm talking about
A rebuttal to you insulting me? Ok
I fucked your mom
>if you don't know someone as famous as Okiura I don't know what to say.
Reminder that these sort of people might have watched 500+ anime and think they're "hardcore" and have "a high powerlevel" and flail around in those 3x3 threads trying to be elitist as if they weren't extremely ignorant about their own hobby.
And if you even attempt to educate them, you're called "hipster" and "elitist", as if /a/ itself wasn't build around those two concepts.
In the end this board is just as anti-intellectual as all others, and it hates to be called out on it
waiting for pic related.
So far most of the ones in the promotional have been shown, the one with food looks really creative.
>I don't believe in the notion of "realistic" filming. Realistic content, characterization, drawing, animation, soundscape, dialogue, hell I'll even give you blocking and framing, but the film effects themselves are always taking away from reality no matter what.
But it's not realistic fliming. It's realistic animation. You have to admit a difference between Lucky Star and, I dunno, Wandering Son.
>They're film effects that enhance perception.
But they don't "enhance" perception. They marr it. But they mar it in a way unique to reality, so when you see it in animation it reminds you of reality.
>I usually don't care either way, but if I had to choose I'd say I'm against animated works aggressively chasing at these sorts of live-action filters and techniques used to work around the camera.
I kind of agree, but that's your judgement on it. I'm saying, that realism, no matter how well it ended up working, was the intent and they do accomplish it to some degree.
Here's an interesting comparison I thought of while taking a shit.
Look at this scene closely. If you think about it, the way it's presented is terribly non-condusive to showing a fight. Worms-eye camera that stares at robots' crotch and gets too close to make out the fight very well. Ground-level tracking shots that can't even capture the robot's whole body. Obnoxious lighting effects that shine off every surface, and every other shot is inside a car. It's terrible at presenting an action scene, but it makes it feel more realistic. The low shots make it feel like you're watching it from inside the car. The lighting is shitty because real life lighting is shitty.
Now compare it to
Elegant, cinematic lighting. Far shots that capture the entirety of the action. The camera's steady and the music is intense. There's no concern for realism here, only an amazing fight.
Are there really only two mother fuckers in this whole thread that even mentioned this?
Fucking /a/, you god damn degenerates.
I don't know if you're insulting me or someone else.
I kinda agree
>MeMeMe was still better
This jerky tension in the arms really reminds me of something but I can't think what
Maybe something from Tokyo Godfathers
I was extremely disappointed, after mediocre HCG and then that god awful turd I almost lost all faith in anything that was coming out of this expo, seriously I almost vomitted when I was done with that shit.
You don't try to educate people though. By telling people they are wrong and commanding them to go learn something you are trying to make them educate themselves. If you were actually trying to educate people hands on you would be getting a different response. It then enters upon the spoonfeeding argument of how much are you willing to give.
>if you don't know someone as famous as Okiura I don't know what to say.
I don't even know what to say to you guys. Sorry I don't know much about animators, I guess?
>But it's not realistic fliming. It's realistic animation
I was only talking about the filming, not the animation. Of course movement and drawing can be closer or further away from reality.
Even then, it can get diffuse as to what sort of "realism" is "more realist".
I don't think the concept of realism is all that useful for technical discussions/breakdowns honestly. It's more of an interpretation/critical analysis thing.
No, but there's a difference between discussing airy, vague concepts like "realism" and talking about the creator's intent to make something look more "realistic."
Which is undeniable. Be it Tamako or Transformers.
That scene was my favorite as well. Also, full ED if anyone's interested:
I was a bit like the Metamorphosis but also Honey I Shrunk the Kids.
The point to the conversation would be to compared the two.
The Metamorphosis serves to show how strange human relationships can be when taken out of context.
This pretty much did the same thing, only there wasn't a door separating the main character from her lover.
Also she changed back.
And then she was happy that the bug got squashed, only because she knew her little bf wasn't the bug.
Very shit ripoff of Kafka, losing everything that made The Metamorphosis good.
Anyway, that's what I got out of it. I'm sure there are some people who liked it who would disagree.
God bless them
That's a thing now?
Then say that the first time, what you wrote is so vague it could be taken a million different ways.
>trying to sound cultured by name dropping some of the most popular composers in history
>trying to sound cultured by name dropping classical music
oh god it hurts
youre a fedorafag as well
please stop owning yourself fucking pleb nigger
Okiura is also a director. He made Jin-Roh and A Letter to Momo, and was the character designer for films like Ghost in The Shell.
Oh but I try to educate them. I give details, links, and all that spoonfeeding stuff you retards loathe. But no, you're just "a pretentious namedropper" or a "hipster" or the funniest one, "who cares about this shit IT'S PORN CARTOONS XD"
I'm not going to congratulate them or apologize for them setting the bar low enough for themselves.
They could have animated anything they wanted.
They could have made any story they wanted.
They ripped off one of the most well known stories written in the last century without understanding what made the story good. They honestly could have just changed just the ending for it stay in line with Kafka and actually have some meaning. They didn't.
It was shit, no need to make excuses for them.
>Oh but I try to educate them. I give details, links, and all that spoonfeeding stuff you retards loathe. But no, you're just "a pretentious namedropper" or a "hipster" or the funniest one, "who cares about this shit IT'S PORN CARTOONS XD"
Then don't spoonfeed them. Tell them to fuck off.
>They ripped off one of the most well known stories
Um no that's your own little delusion at work
This is an animator expo, the stories they are animating are not important the animation is.
So intense felt like a wild rollar coster ride all the way up to the very end.
I thought this was his.
What the hell was this bullshit? I mean, I liked the story and concept, but it was animated like a turd. This is supposed to be a fucking animation expo, how could something that looks like a first draft with jerky 5fps sketches be considered an exhibition of anything? Are well-respected animators just allowed to turn in an incomplete, cheaply done work and expect people to accept it? Mememe, despite some shortcuts such as the CGI fps scene, had smooth, well done, stunning animation which made up for it's admittedly half-baked plot. This just had a middling concept that was executed in pencilscratch on used napkins. 0/10, Khara shouldn't have even allowed this to be shown until it had the same level of animation expected of even the cheapest seasonal anime.
>The Metamorphosis is not one of the most well known stories written in the last century
Are you going to next tell me no one knows who the fuck Kafka is? And that The Metamorphosis isn't the one story everyone knows when his name is mentioned?
Again, stop apologizing for them. It is not difficult to make a story that is interesting, ESPECIALLY when you are already ripping off a well appreciated story.
The fact that they rip it off and take out what it made it good is deplorable. They could have kept everything in it up to the end, all the animation and then kept the ending Kafkaesque.
That was me. The one he asked.
It was a joke. I'm not for shitposting but don't have such a stick up your ass.
the fuck are you even talking about, I hated mememe the moment I laid eyes on it and that hasn't changed a bit, if I wanted to fit in I'd pretend to like it like all the retarded teenagers who're jumping all over it.
Agreed, this episode really disappointed me, not as much as mememe obviously but really, ripping of kafka? That's a dick move, lost a lot of respect for the people that made this.
That's like saying someone who knows about film is a bad film fan.
If we're cunts, that's because we expect a higher level of posting, and don't want retards to come in spouting shit. You know, like the rest of /a/.
>Trial was better
It was. Good on you.
>I'm pulling this out of my ass
Main character wakes up.
Main character realizes they are a bug. They in fact have turned into a bug. Must now deal with reality, specifically family/lover/employer.
There is only one story that everyone will instantly tell you when you describe this plot.
Are you fucking kidding me
Listen, my good amigo. They aren't fucking adapting the book. They don't have to be "Kafkaesque" if the only shit they want is to have fun setpieces.
Mahiro Maeda likes gimmicks. Maybe he thought "oh why don't we make her a cockroach like in that one book" and did it, just like that. It's not even a tertiary point of the short. Nobody gives a shit, except you.
>your sister will never turn into a cockroach so you can make her your pet
I don't care really, just trying to point out that people are going to be dicks on both sides. Its dumb to throw a hissyfit because the majority of cases you work with are retarded.
I want you to go to /lit/ and describe the very beginning of this story and see what they think it is.
You are completely shitting yourself if you think this is anything but a direct rip off or homage to The Metamorphosis.
That's just you projecting a bunch of things because a person turned into a bug, ignoring all the other things like them shrinking or finding out it was all a dream which don't fit your hypothesis
And again this is a expo about the animation not the story.
Just because a few of them a retards doesn't mean criticism and scrutiny wasn't ultimately better for the industry. Innovators like Hitchcock and Welles relied on critics and studies as much as anyone else. Hell, the first generation of film schools practically revolutionized the industry.
Critics aren't always good but introspection, studying what you do and understanding it, is VITAL to improving it.
Unless you prefer the movies before these developments. I'm partial to Stormy Weather but I wouldn't want every movie to be Top Hat
And not every "dickish move" is completely serious
Though I agree
So Teraformars and Spiderman are ripping off Metamorphosis then?
You're trying too hard to analyze it. Yes, it's Kafkaesque, and yes it's most likely inspired by the Metamorphoses. But they're not trying to adapt the story, nor do they seem to be attempting to have it relate in any way beyond the premise. I don't know why you're so mad about it.
Again, if you want to excuse them for setting the bar low, do what you want.
This is their work, and they should done their very best. If they couldn't do some basic research, or be literate enough to know that they were rewriting The Metamorphosis then fine. But I completely doubt it, and if they were influenced by that book then they completely missed the point of the book and a great opportunity to animate an amazing story.
For fuck sake. They could have had this great animation and a great story. Why the fuck would you not want that? Only a moron would back peddle on his own work so hard to make such a poor excuse for their own damn work.
It's called a ripoff dumbass, ripoffs are looked down upon because it's a poor attempt to ride off an already popular story and even worse they took out what made that story so great. Get a grip.
But it's not a ripoff at all.
I'm getting the impression that you guys haven't actually read The Metamorphosis. The similarities start and end with "the main character is a bug"
In fact, it would be a ripoff if it tried to have Metamorphosis' themes and plot arc. Copying the base gimmick (a thing so unoriginal, I thought about it when I was 6, before knowing what a Kafka even was) doesn't make it a ripoff.
Okay. Well, have fun being assmad about this then. Everyone else will just enjoy a relatively simple story with some great animation.
>wasn't ultimately better for the industry
No it really wasn't. You just need to look at the industry today. You can't make a genre film without the critics shitting on it and demanding you make some 75 hour long black and white jerkfest about you eating your own shit.
So then you just say fuck it and adapt comic books because at least you will be rich.
You missed my point entirely
Pretentious douchebags will always be pretentious douchebags. Plenty of genre films get great reception. Everything from Tarantino to Black Dynamite. Don't you know? Pastiche is the way of the 21st century.
>guy wakes up one morning and finds out he is turning into a bug
>he then puts on a bright red costume and fights crime
>Oh ok it's Spiderman
So when does it stop being a ripoff mister /lit/
Fixed that for you since reading the metamorphosis is basically getting a much better experience than this
Holy top kek you call this slideshow great animation?
And you went retarded when she tried to communicate with her bf twice without grasping that she was no longer a human?
She realizes what she is wen the wings grow out on her human form.
Spiderman never turned into a bug buddy, maybe you should take a minute to actually look it up, while you're there, look up The Metamorphosis and you'll realize they ripped it off.
>So when does it stop being a ripoff mister /lit/
When they do something with what they were given, rather than just pandering?
I also don't understand why you keep bringing up spider man. Spider man is not at all like The Metamorphosis. The main characters in that both have to deal with "becoming a bug" but spider man embraces it and becomes a super hero. In this animation and in the book, becoming a bug is horrifying because others become hostile and estranged.
The fact that spider man looks human throws this problem away almost entirely.
>She realizes what she is wen the wings grow out on her human form.
>Main character realizes they are a bug.
>It's a plot point that she doesn't realize this you fucking moron.
So you're just inconsistent. Ok.
Pretty much anything is better than this, like seriously, everything about this short was fucking shit, the other bad ones had some redeeming qualities but everything here was just flat out terrible.
He actually did at one point
someone doesn't know much about Spider-Man
The point is that 100% of the interactions in the episode are between the girl (who doesn't know that she's a bug) and the guy (who doesn't know the bug is actually the girl). Her realization comes immediately before she wakes up. Basically, while The Metamorphosis is about a group of people attempting to cope with some fucked up circumstances, this short is basically a misunderstanding.
This thread is like a really bad accident in slow-mo
Now this is bait, yes.
My post isn't bait, it's genuine fact, sloppy 1 fps animation and practically zero quality control, hardly any music in the first place and the story is bland as shit and already done vastly better by the Metamorphosis.
That's why Dragon Dentist is still my favorite of these shorts. Because story is equally important to animation. Not that I'm agreeing with the Metamorphosis fag, I'm just saying that while I can appreciate sakuga in anime and such, it's not the end-all be-all of the form.
So you haven't read The Metamorphosis? He believes he is in some dream state, or the very least has not completely accepted that he has in fact transformed. That's why he is surprised to realize that no one can understand him when he speaks, whereas before he thought they could.
Both main character develop into learning what they are, and they do this through interaction with main characters.
The main character of this animation realized she had become a bug just like the main character in the book. Get over it.
>a expo PURELY about animation
>story is equally important
Wow shit look at that choppy animation, it's like I can see the frames
>He believes he is in some dream state,
>"What's happened to me?" he thought. It wasn't a dream."
That's the second paragraph. After Gregor Samasa has observed his own bug body. You should probably quit now.
I just realized something
what if animorphs
what if animorphs was a rip-off of Metamorphosis?
It's uniquely styled and stylishly unique.
You still need to realize the futility of human interaction. As the great philosopher, playwright, novelist, political activist, biographer, and literary critic Jean-Paul Charles Aymard Sartre once bloviated, "Hell is other people."
Well, it was an interesting concept, but the presentation was horrid. This anon sums up my thoughts accurately: >>118226565
Please, no meat-touching, ma'am.
>The Metamorphosis serves to show how strange human relationships can be when taken out of context.
That's one angle for it. There's also the critique of utilitarian society which places more value on an individual's effort than the individual himself.
You enjoy cherry picking I see.
The character over times comes to realize what they are. Are you just going to ignore the part of the story where he thinks others can understand what he is saying?
If someone fully understood that they were a bug, they would know that others couldn't understand their utterances. The character over time comes to terms with this.
But please keep cherry picking. He at first thinks he's a bug, then tries to deal with it, one of the first being, this must be a dream, shit im late for work and so on and so on.
most important for what
Couldn't this short have been made with the intent of highlighting other aspects animation. After all, there is very little degree of artistic expression tied to frame rate.
What's the point in animating moving backgrounds, we have CG for that shit
You are bound by the cage of mainstream aesthetics. I don't blame you. You don't even realize the cage exists. But, please, leave us masters of creative expression do as we will. The psyche of the true auteur is, and ought to be, incomprehensible to those who aren't as well.
It "could" have, but it didn't, the art is awful, there story is very simple and most people would compare it to something they've already read long ago, the metamorphosis, there isn't much else to it besides having a good transition between frames, which it failed to do, causing it to look choppy and unfinished, it doesn't have anything else to really make up for it but the frame rate, or more honestly the lack therof, makes the entire thing look bad.
>What's the point in animating moving backgrounds, we have CG for that shit
You're baiting but I mostly agree, hand drawn animated backgrounds only really work when the backgrounds in the show already share the same line quality/artstyle as the animated characters.
My nigga. That looked so cool.
Crossed with Metamorphosis.
I have to say, I appreciate that the naked people in these shorts at least have nipples. The lack of them in more and more shows is disturbing.
Here's how it went.
Animators: WE WANT TO DRAW CUTE NUDE TINY WOMEN JUMPING AROUND AND GENERALLY BEING EXCITABLE.
Writer: Um, well ok. I guess we could have be like The Metamorphosis where...
ANIMATOR: IS THAT THE ONE WHERE THE GUY TURNS INTO A BUG? SHE IS A BUG AND SHE DOESN'T KNOW IT AND HAS TO ESCAPE FROM HER BOYFRIEND. WHY DO WE EVEN NEED WRITERS?
This seems pretty true honestly, especially since basically every short has had naked women in it, it's obvious what demographic they're aiming for with these. It's a real shame since I was hoping for more story in these shorts instead of blatant fanservice.
It's like I'm really watching a slideshow! Thanks Shaft, I mean Khara
But as defined by society if I disregard my attachments and don't fulfill my responsibilities as a person I can't function correctly as a human.
You're telling me to kill myself, here.
That's still like 5 years away, man.
Look at this shit
Yeah, this is definitely just a case of
>muh artistic vision