>people actually think that this is a useless ability
you people apparently know nothing about thermodynamics
Her ability is only useful in survival conditions. Like if she got dropped in the arctic, she could just maintain her body's warm temperature, preventing any of the problems the extreme environmental cold would normally cause.
In normal circumstances? Totally useless.
That's not what her ability is though, she doesn't have the potential to reach level 5. Her ability is only to keep things at a constant temperature, her ability wouldn't allow her to change temps if she became a level 5.
>Another shitty Uiharu fanwaking thread
Sasuga ignorant Railgunfags.
Well for a user to reach level 5 they have to be able to use their ability to do a vast range of things like Misaka and Accelerator, there power does not change at all, Uiharu can't go from being able to keep things at a constant temp to being able to change the temps of things. Uiharu's ability doesn't have the potential to be used in a way that would allow her to develop it. I suppose at most a Level 2 or 3 Uiharu would be able to keep a large volume of atmosphere around her at a constant temp, and I can't see a use for that so it's hardly anywhere near level 5 worthy.
But the temperature of an object is not uniform, different molecules will have varying energies and the average will determine the temperature
So if she could maintain the temperature of just the hottest molecules in the air, those molecules would keep moving with constant energy, colliding with and imparting momentum to slower molecules, raising the average temperature.
Or something like that
So Uiharu can violate the law of conservation of energy. Who cares? So can every other esper.
It's not like pyrokinetics or electromasters generate the power for their abilities within themselves or draw it from the environment, it comes from nowhere. Hell, Kakine creates MATTER from nothing.
Uiharu can manipulate temperature. At level 1, this manifests as being able to simply maintain temperatures, it could easily change as she levels up.
The sisters basically have the same powers Misaka had when she was a level 2, and they don't have access to some of the powers she has as a level 5, like using EM to make iron sand swords.
When Saten became a level 1 she had the same ability as Kongou but all she could do is twirl some leaves.
Abilities change with the level, Uiharu could easily be able to change temperatures at level 5
>there power does not change at all
>Uiharu can't go from being able to keep things at a constant temp to being able to change the temps of things.
I guess we can pretend that's the case if you really want
>Uiharu's ability doesn't have the potential to be used in a way that would allow her to develop it
>I suppose at most a Level 2 or 3 Uiharu would be able to keep a large volume of atmosphere around her at a constant temp, and I can't see a use for that so it's hardly anywhere near level 5 worthy.
Maintaining the temperature of the atmosphere would be super useful in climate controlled scientific experiments or maybe for stopping global warming. If she learned to maintain temperatures for larger and larger volumes that would be level 5 worthy and would be a super useful ability
It's called the Parameter List. Academy City already knows what someone's power will be and what their maximum level is before developing their ability.
If Uiharu could become a Level 5, she wouldn't be stuck at the shitty level she's currently at, because AC would have dumped more resources into her development.
>Abilities change with the level, Uiharu could easily be able to change temperatures at level 5
Says the source material, you dimwit.
>If she learned to maintain temperatures for larger and larger volumes that would be level 5 worthy and would be a super useful ability
She can't. Go look up what the parameter list is.
The big deal with Uiharu's ability is the guaranteed reliability of regulation/control. Certainly, if we talk about the harnessing of energy that violates the law of conservation, there are many espers that can easily reach crazy levels of generation, but what matters is that it needs to be fully controlled, usually at a constant rate, and Uiharu's ability simply cannot be beat at it.
A combination of a prolific energy-generating esper + Uiharu as controller/regulator would be ideal.
Don't forget the parameter list also takes into account how quickly an Esper can level up. Uiharu may just be a level 1 now because it would take a lot of time and resources to get her up to 4 or even 5.
In the Parameter List's defense, Imagine Breaker isn't an Esper power so it can't be measured.
If she can maintain temperatures then why can't she maintain the temperature of her skin/the layer of air around her skin and thus touch things regardless of how hot or cold they are?
As of what we know now, yes. But, it's applications to the energy sector/others should not go ignored
That would still be an efficient method of going about things and should be looked into
Energy cannot be created or destroyed, so it stands to reason that her temperature-retention ability simply disables the ability to transfer heat energy of anything she's touching.
Once she lets go, it will radiate heat as anything would.
If it did anything else at all, it would be breaking the laws of physics and be magic.
>If it did anything else at all, it would be breaking the laws of physics and be magic.
how do you explain pyrokinetic and electrokinetic powers in terms of laws of physics then?
In terms of how their abilities work, they would have to take the energy from somewhere.
If i made fire with my bare hands, then something, somewhere else would have to get colder as a result of me suddenly having that energy there.
something has to give.
they bang on about it being science so much, and even specifically have an entirely different wing of power in the show; magic. that at the very least i'd expect them to give some measure of consideration to it.
>it would be breaking the laws of physics
What the fuck do you think about Kakine's ability to create matter with impossible properties then? Because his entire existence gives the middle finger to physics.
Espers don't obey the law of conservation of energy. Hell, magic is actually better in that regard compared to psychic abilities, because at least magic has to be fueled by mana or some other power source.
The ability is smalltime in the grand scheme of things. It doesn't even have potential to reach level 3 or 4. Plenty of other Esper abilities are experimented on and developed by scientists and Kiharas. You Uiharu fanwankers who haven't even read the source material are the only ones that pay any attention to it.
You can have her attached to a heat source and generated power 24/7, but unless you're going to do that it's pretty worthless and Crowley has no real interest in that shit so it's never going to actually be used.
to add; they also make it incredibly clear that science is NOT magic, and you cannot practice both without serious drawbacks.
I could not, and would not attest to how Styl, for example, makes fire - because it's magic, they say it's magic, so i give it a free pass on that merit alone.
But for espers, the story goes far out of its way to make it very clear it is science and not magic.
I don't know enough about them, and even then i'm not an all-knowing being. I'm just a dude who has a rudamentary knowledge of science.
That said, lack of capacity to explain something doesn't make it magic.
Only saying in a literary or entertainment sense "this is magic" makes it magic, and even then, only for the purposes of fun and storytelling. Which is why i can happily let it slide.
Can't help but wonder if she can keep your dick in constant orgasm mode just by touching it after you cum.
I'm fairly sure the story goes rather far out of its way to explain that the science of espers IS magic.It is a specific system of magic. A system which is incompatible with the other systems, which results in it being dangerous for one side to use the other's shit.
>they bang on about it being science so much
Magic in Raildex is just as much a science as psychic powers, it's just that one is a system that's officially recognized by the public and the other isn't.
And conversely, psychic powers are just as magical as magic, it's just a system of supernatural powers that operates on different laws than magic. Literally, since esper abilities are actually Thelemic magic.
Matter can be created, matter can be destroyed. It happens all the time.
-energy- cannot be created or destroyed.
If you mash a load of non-material energy together, it will make atoms. Annihilating those atoms will once again create light energy (as in the spectrum of light; radio waves, gamma rays, xrays and so on. not just visible light)
If someone has the power to just conjure up freaky objects out of nowhere, it would stand to reason they must be siphoning energy from something or somewhere in order to do this.
They throw around quantum physics a great deal in the story as the backbone of an esper's power, and while i won't dare talk too much about quantum physics as by its very nature it simply doesn't apply to the logical formats I've spoken of thus far, i will say that maybe the energy all the espers need to do the freaky shit they do is in fact being siphoned from another universe; their 'personal reality' as they call it.
I'm not going to even try to go in debating the nuanced and entirely opinion-based definitions of what magic is or isn't.
Down that path leads fruitless conversation and madness.
I'll only talk about the things the story claims are science.
It's quite clear that intelligence plays an incredibly great role in an espers ability.
The kind of shit that Biri and Accelerator alone talk about when they're explaining the dynamics of what they're doing is supercomputer-level micro calculations.
If i had vector control like Accelerator, I'd be willing to bet I'd be fucking useless, because I'm shit at maths.
Basically this, Abilities are just specialized magic that Aleister derived from actual magic. It's supposed to appear scientific but it doesn't necessarily have to follow any scientific laws.
>it would stand to reason they must be siphoning energy from something or somewhere in order to do this
Occam's Razor would suggest otherwise. because Kakine tells us that his ability doesn't abide by the laws of physics.
>“… Go back and study up on physics, you idiot. No matter how you diffract sunlight it doesn’t change the nature of it into something like a beam of light that kills.”
>“Hm, that is indeed the case with the normal physics of this world.”
>Kakine’s six wings curled up and gathered strength.
>“But! My Dark Matter is matter that does not exist in this world! It completely disobeys the laws of physics of this world. Sunlight that gets diffracted by the Dark Matter will also have its own set of laws!"
We're literally fucking told that it's magic, just a different kind than the powers used by magicians.
That'd be fairly inefficient and probably raise me to level 2 at best.
Accelerator fucking re-wrote code inside a human brain on an atomic and subatomic level using his own intellect alone.
>Occam's Razor would suggest otherwise
If you knew even the tinyest thing about Quantum Physics, you would know that "Occam's Razor" is a method of thinking not only unwelcome there, but entirely counter-productive to its understanding.
>If you knew even the tinyest thing about Quantum Physics
A lot of the times, the students barking about their powers being this, or being that, or not obeying the laws of bla-bla-bla are just straight-up wrong.
It works for them to believe whatever they need to believe in order to get their powers to work, and that's fine, but to an outside observer, often-times they're just straight-up wrong and their power can be explained, or the way they're explaining it is wrong.
index 3 when?
why did they discontinue? I mean it did well enough to do 48eps and a movie, a 48ep spinoff. How far they got barely scratches the surface of the source material; why aren't they making more? or making a spinoff anime (accel), or heck, I'd even go for a magical girl spinoff, prisma raildex or something
And? This is fiction.
You're doing unnecessary mental gymnastics to justify your belief that psychic powers perfectly abide by the laws of physics simply because they're called science in-story, when what you've been saying contradicts what we've been told.
Such as how, for one, that the "scientific" powers espers use are literally magic.
I want Uiharu to put hot chocolate on my
duckand keep it at a constant temperature while I drink Pepsi.
Well that's sort of what level-upper was about.
Not every student using level-upper would be 'giving it their all' at the same time of day every day, so during the times that one or two here and there needed the power of a level 3 or 4, despite being level 0, 1 or 2 for real - they could 'borrow' brain-power from others.
In fact, it was such a great and efficient method of advancing other's abilities through networking and sharing that they had to axe it by introducing that AIM-Diffusion bullshit to make it into a bad thing.
It was kinda sad, really. The entire arc was about low-levels feeling like shit next to their higher-level counterparts who get given all the attention, admiration and time of everyone and everything in the city, as well as underpowered people being bullied because their weak; then giving those underdogs the power to be just like those 'naturally-gifted' spoiled lot of espers through networking and sharing, and they threw it away because in the long-run it would be bad for the story about Railgun and Index.
>The entire arc was about low-levels feeling like shit next to their higher-level counterparts
We already have Hamazura and the rest of Skill Out for that.
It's been given enough focus in the story that it would be redundant for the plot to give it more.
>And? This is fiction.
Which is why i was happy to give magic a free pass.
I'm not autistic, i'm happy to just sit back and enjoy 'magic' if someone tells me "shut the fuck up, it's not real - just enjoy it for what it is" - i only sought to talk-science because it seemed the story was attempting to be scientific.
If it isn't then i can happily just ignore that and enjoy the story for what it is.
I really need to get my ass into gear and carry on reading the novels, I red the first and half of the second then stopped. Is any of the other stuff worth reading like Manga etc or should I just stick to the novels.
Skill-out was less nice about it. Regardless of what they started as, they ended up being a bunch of shitheads with a serious inferiority complex.
Level-upper was about saying "fuck it, maybe there's another way to get better"
Whereas skill-out is more like "fuck them, they need to be brought down to OUR level".
It's like modern-feminism.
the flowers are her soulgem, he already got her
>It attempts to be scientific when it attempts to be scientific.
When a story does that, that's usually when i go "okay, you know what - i'm going to do you a huge favour and just ignore everything you just said and continue enjoying you"
To Aru Kagaku no Accelerator, just like To Aru Kagaku no Railgun. Anyway Accelerator's manga takes off right after he gets shot in the head, so if you are aware of the previous events you are fine.
>Shit at maths
But anon, you unconsciously do high level physics and math all the time without thinking about it. Your brain does all these calculations without bothering your conscious mind.
It was first and foremost, foreshadowing of the Sisters arc, with Kiyama being what Mikoto was during it.
It is also the introduction of the concept of artificial science angels, particularly Fuse=Kazakiri, with the fetus with a halo that was born out of the LU network.
The LU was never meant to be something grand, in fact, it was part of a greater experiment that takes place during the latest arc of the manga. As the other anon said in the other post, the level 0 discrimination theme is touched upon in other arcs.
The Railgun anime using Skill Out as token thugs aside, they were less nice about it, but they had good reason to be.
After all, Skill Out as an organized group came to be because of violent attacks on unrelated Level 0s by higher level espers.
I got that vibe a lot from them.
Like a said before, a great deal of the time espers are blathering on about physics and shit, and making grandiose statements regarding the science of their power, when in actual fact they're just talking straight-up nonsense, and their ability works far more on a placebo-effect will-and-belief-based level than any of the pseudo-science they spout.
I guess it's just one of the many jobs of the city to allow and enable them to believe the shit they talk so as to maintain and advance their abilities.
It does. You said that
>they threw it away because in the long-run it would be bad for the story about Railgun and Index
When that is factually wrong. It's not that the author "threw it away". It's just that that wasn't even the point of the arc at all, as I pointed out.
You make it sound like Mikoto isn't hell for everyone that lives near her. Sure she doesn't kill anything but the electronics and the electrical grid, but she goes out a lot and shocks anyone who pisses her off.
Actually yes, scratch that. Mikoto is actually a stone-cold bitch.
She shot some faggots with a railgun in the first chapter of Index like it was nothing.
They were running away!
don't tell me they fucking survived.
Nobody will ever remember this girl existent in the Toumabowl
>You make it sound like Mikoto isn't hell for everyone that lives near her.
That's why she's the most beloved girl in Tokiwadai, right?
>but she goes out a lot and shocks anyone who pisses her off.
She only shocks people that mess with her, and it isn't even painful or serious. Otherwise Kuroko would be dead by now.
>ability pertaining to the regulation of molecular momentum
The only question, HOW fucked would Accelerator be in a fight against a level 5 Uiharu.
It seriously isn't. She even shocked Saten unconscious and she was fucking fine moments later.
Uiharu would keep him warm and comfy and everyone's smile would be protected.
Biribiri is probably only beloved for being a level 5 and therefore pride of the school. Bitch can't even pet a fucking cat, her latent electromagnetic field probably makes anyone and anything around her nervous. The calling down of lightning strikes when her short fuse gets lit probably doesn't help with their ease. We're talking about a girl who thinks kicking soda machines is an acceptable substitute for spare change.
Her esper nickname could be "Equilibrium".
>Can transfer energy at will
>Ice out of one hand, fire out of the other.
>Sapping energy from one area, to place it into another.
>Can preserve her bodies state of energy, meaning kinetic or electric energy wouldn't damage her at all, rather than having to deflect vectors.
Fuck you, I was still thinking in manga terms and forgot Accel is gonna punch Aiwass in whever its genitals are supposed to be.
Uiharu is still capable of invulnerability if she can control the speed of any molecule that touches her.
>her latent electromagnetic field probably makes anyone and anything around her nervous
Only works on animals, apparently humans don't notice.
She did something like that for Touma, it didn't work out so well.
>Biribiri is probably only beloved for being a level 5 and therefore pride of the school
Literally every girl that has met and liked her does so due to her personality, not for her powers. See Kuroko, Uiharu, Saten, Wannai, Kongou, etc.
>her latent electromagnetic field probably makes anyone and anything around her nervous
Too bad not a single character in the series has suffered from that. Girls enjoy spending time with her.
>The calling down of lightning strikes when her short fuse gets lit probably doesn't help with their ease.
You mean under very specific circumstances. She's as nice as nice gets with her friends in the everyday life. She's even relatively nice to Misaki and doesn't shock her even though she deserves it more than anyone else.
Okay, timeline-wise, is the manga (any and all of them) further-along than the events of the anime?
Or do i have to start reading the novel to see what's going on after the events of Index/Railgun 2?
She's stupid, short-tempered and childish. She could probably ignite the atmosphere if she wanted, so she probably has a "straight line from A to B" mindset.
All the level 5s are pretty fucked in the head. Being able to bend reality would probably make you incapable of giving a fuck at some point.
railgun is and the index manga skipped stuff but is still behind. read the novels anon it has pictures as well.
Because he's tall, brave, strong, selflessly good and the only person she can rely on to help her out and not have to worry about the safety of at the same time?
Every time she starts a fight with Touma, all she really wants is for him to dispel her power, hold her to a wall and kiss her.
>She could probably ignite the atmosphere if she wanted
You mean cause a reaction between nitrogen and oxygen? That reaction is not self sustaining, if you do cause such a reaction it doesn't really spread, you would also have a hard time detecting it without analyzing the chemicals in the air.
It's a downright hassle for me to read novels.
Is Index worth the fight?
>Breaking the laws of Thermodynamics isn't a big deal
>Creating Energy from nothing isn't a big deal
>Reversing Entropy isn't a big deal
>Literally being able to stop the heat-death of the entire universe isn't a big fucking deal
Wooooow It's like I'm really talking to a fifth grader
hmm, okay. Brb nyaa.
Any suggestion on where to start reading the novel from for an animefag, or should i just Game of Thrones this shit and start from the start, and grit my teeth through all the shit i already know about?
Where do you guys get the novels now that bakatsuki is kill?
Kuroko and Uiharu have abilities that may negate any side effects of being in a strong electromagnetic field. Kongou is really uptight and poised. You can wave and be nice to someone a few yards away even if they're freaking you out.
Since water is a conductor, Biribiri's ability probably just make Wannai
The thing is it's not that bad for thermodynamics.
Most of the time you have something that is a "thermal reservoir" which is something that changes tempeture by a negligble amount for any heat added. E.g. using a river as a heat sink for a power station.
Also the ability is for things she's in contact with, so she can't maintain an extreme tempeture, limiting her to roughly room tempeture. No advantage over air-cooled.
You're argument doesn't hold up in this universe, neither the science side nor magic side obeys actual scientific law
I think it's SS2 and then Volume 14 iirc
forgodsakes, they're not creating energy from nothing.
For all you know they could be sapping the tiniest little bit of energy from every atom in a half-mile radius to create the crazy shit they do.