>>118753026 except he doesn't derail everything to go into philosophical rants and he actually caused damage to SIBYL and he actually made other people beat the system and he wasn't a nihilistic douchebag (he was a douchebag but he wasn't nihilistic)
I can't say that I agree with the OP - Mika was PP2's only redeeming feature. Not as an admirable figure - she was utterly detestable - but it's been a long time since I've encountered a character that I've truly loved to hate.
>>118753835 >Why are you fucking even here? >Asking people on 4chan why they are shitposting in threads of things they don't like If I see a thread about turkey sandwiches on here I'll be sure to force my opinion down other people's throats. Fuck turkey sandwiches.
>>118753956 I'll have you know that one particular Chinese cartoon from this year took me by my ass and used it as a chew toy, all while taking the word "fun" and beat it to death. Fuck your "fun". Fuck your Oniisama. Fuck your everything. I hate you and everyone who is posting ITT and TT >>118729887
That's misleading and not saying much, since actually that show's second season was comparatively better and we've seen far worse than it on a regular basis, both before and after the fact. DTB S2, E7 AO, VVV S2, AGE 3RD/FINAL GEN, etc. P-P S2 being worse just adds to the list.
>>118753861 >Gino manning up and punching a drone in the face literally the only thing he did all season, he was a non-presence >Kamui more enjoyable then Makeshima Take away dumb meme nonsense like >>118752790 (honestly I think people were enjoying the show in their heads more than the one they were watching) and he had next to no character at all. And that's not even bringing up the 184 BODIES bullshit
>>118754193 So the answer to improve a society as a collective body is to remove all the bad parts. Brilliant, never thought of it. Except that was the point of Sibyl in the first place, except now entire chunks of the population can be judged by Sibyl at once. Given how easy it is to abuse the Psycho Pass of others (simply threatening someone a gun at someone can turn them into a latent criminal no matter how sane they are beforehand) this can't be a good thing
>>118754301 >Nothing contradicts it. Nothing about any past ~evil conspiracies~ was ever hinted in S1.
Kamui finding a job at a fucking military drone factory, as police psychiatrist and many others, all as fake identities of dead children in a world in which every job needs Sibyl's aptitude assessment.
Not to mention that MWPSB was clearly the one charge of Dominators is S1E12, but now it's Sibyl that's oh-so-bad for not turning Dominators off, even if it was in their fucking best interest, which contradicts S1's reasonable nature of the system.
>>118754497 That's not what its implied. The goal is to remove Sibyl from judging society, because it will be as flawed as a collective entity as humans are parts that make up society.
>>118754531 You don't know what contradiction means. Sibyl was always in charge of Dominators, see the fucking scene where the Chief hardwires and overwrites her dominator to kill Kagiri near the end of season 1.
And conspiracies were abound with the cover ups with criminally asymptomatic people being integrated into Sibyl's collective consciencesses was springboarded from there.
>>118754531 >reasonable nature of Sibyl system >season 1 Never implied. Sibyl system in season 1 is constantly portrayed as draconian, unsympathetic, and a symbol of big brother/authoritarian control and dominance.
>>118754675 Never implied? Wasn't it exactly this reasonable side that Akane appealed to, when asking for a locked-in Paralyzer? Wasn't it this reasonable side, that was comparing risk and reward in regards to revealing to Akane and Kagari's death?
>>118754531 >Nothing about any past ~evil conspiracies~ was ever hinted in S1. con·tra·dic·tion ˌkäntrəˈdikSH(ə)n/ noun noun: contradiction; plural noun: contradictions
a combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that are opposed to one another. "the proposed new system suffers from a set of internal contradictions" a person, thing, or situation in which inconsistent elements are present. "the paradox of using force to overcome force is a real contradiction" the statement of a position opposite to one already made.
The Toganes were acting out their own ambitions and goals when Togane's mother was integrated into Sibyl. This isn't contradictory to what was established.
>>118754764 Sibyl under that time was under the guidance of Touma, Makashima's old friend who was the current Chief of the MWPSB. Notice how when Sibyl is shown to have a severe CC itself, it only purges those brains to preserve itself when threatened by Kamui and Akane is watching on.
The system is try to preserve itself, and Sibyl only grudgingly went along with Akane's request. I still wouldn't call it reasonable, just pragmatic when the situation calls for it.
>>118754613 There's a difference between usage authority and literally overriding Dominator to whatever mode you wish.
S1E12 makes it clear that Inspectors can add a person to the Dominator's system, allowing them to use it, since Gino believed Kogami's bluff with a reaction "what are you thinking!?", not "is that possible?".
Now, stripping away Inspector's authority would require Chief to do it, but... here's the trick.
Imagine you're an Inspector and don't know about the true nature of the Sibyl System or about the Chief. You report to her, that an Inspector is aiding a criminal, shot several Enforcers.
It's only natural Chief would at first question validity of the report, but then acknowledge it, and turn Shisui's dominator off. That's how it worked in S1.
So, any other suggestion, other than "the plot needed it"?
>>118755243 I suppose it didn't add much to the overall plot, no significant characters died, Akane is in pretty much the same position she was in as the end of S1, but I found it entertaining at least. I'm glad it exists, if only to fill the gap between S1 and the movie.
>>118753861 >Gino manning up he manned up offescren in s1, from when his daddy did to when he visited his grave >Kamui more enjoyable then Makeshima they waited the last episode to give him any interesting traits half of /a/ was hoping Togane'd turn out to be final villain >Akane taking charge which turned out badly every time
>>118755458 >So that was probably the endgame goal. Save for the part where they tried to stop him at every turn? If that was the endgame goal, sending a Kasei with a dominator in the brains aprtment would've been better.
>>118755714 Like I said, Sibyl had its own reasons and justifications for doing this. The fact Kamui could also overwrite and hardwire dominators with his own skills also makes this even more difficult to implement.
Its not like Sibyl even always tells Inspectors or the rest of MWPSB the full story at times. Both in season 1 and season 2 its held back critical information from Division 1 and Division 2 Inspectors.
>>118755814 >Sibyl had its own reasons and justifications for doing this. None were shown nor implied so as far as the viewer is concerned, there were none. And since they were actively supporting someone that was threatening the thing that is most important for the Sibyl system, they better be some fucking good reasons. >>118755842 >exact same "arguments" That's wrong.
>>118756017 >None were shown nor implied as far as the viewer is concerned. That's your problem. Direct exposition is not always needed to be carried out blatantly for the viewer's benefit. It impedes and ruins a story by clumsy displaying motivation or need for a catalyst happening in the story. >Actively supporting someone that was threatening the thing that is most important for the Sibyl system A person which Sibyl can not detect or recognize until the very end. Kamui is the antithesis to Sibyl and its polar opposite, it does not know how to deal with him.
So it let things play out until it could evolve to recognize its own and Kamui's faults. That's a good enough reason for me.
>>118756223 >That's your problem. Direct exposition is not always needed to be carried out blatantly for the viewer's benefit. It impedes and ruins a story by clumsy displaying motivation or need for a catalyst happening in the story. Characters acting without a motivation is just bad writing. As was already said, if their objective was gaining the mass-CC thing (which they didn't really want until Kirito was about to get killed) there were far more effective methods of gaining it, like having anyone who didn't have a huge revenge boner against Sibyl and access to explosives in the brain apartments with a dominator. >>118756260 If you're implying burden of proof lies on me for saying you're wrong, then you're wrong again.
Sibyl in season 1 was supposed to be the ultimate expression of utilitarianism. The greatest amount of happiness for the greatest number of people. And if that meant individuals got screwed in a manner we would find unfair, then tough. This was expressed with the composition of the system being criminal brains. By the rules of justice and morality, they should have been isolated or executed. But because they were the best suited to work the Sibyl system, from a utilitarian perspective they should be used. But in Season 2, now Sibyl decides it needs to be judged, and wipes out a bunch of brains, thus reducing the capability of the system for no gain other than some sense of justice. It's never explained what caused this shift in behavior. Nor is explained (unless she just knew that only a fraction of brains would be killed) why Akane, who has been established to dislike the nature of the Sibyl system but doesn't want it simply to be destroyed, would go along with this plan. Nor is it clear why, even assuming most of the brains were never criminals, given their past collective actions why they weren't all (or at least a majority) found wanting.
>>118762005 >It's never explained what caused this shift in behavior. Wasn't there a discussion on the flaws of the system that was extensively shown in the show. Are you even paying attention or are you insisting on putting your head canon there?
In S1 we're told Japan has become a stagnant society. Everyone is so accepting of the Sibyl system that for example the study of history had waned. Because nobody cares about looking to the past for lessons for the future, when the present has already achieved the "ideal" that human society can reach and there's no improvement.
In S2 we're told people actually did draw from the past (from Jeremy Bentham's ideas) for inspiration for the future, and rather than accepting Sibyl as the ultimate achievement, tried to replace it. And this was stopped by your cliched assortment of a evil rich people conspiracy.
>>118762311 The only flaw a collective Psycho Pass solves was the inability to scan Kamui, a one off science experiment. Nor was it necessary even with that to take the subsequent judgement of Sibyl itself and try to solve it by killing brains to lower CC. Sibyl has already shown it will make value judgements outsides of CC when it decided to kill Kagari to save its secret, it can just as easily decide not to kill parts of itself in the name of preserving its judgement.
>>118762571 I don't think that was explained, but the only reason I can think of is that their CC rose as they assumed the role of Kasei and did things that went against the system as a whole. Although that shouldn't happen because from S1, we know they vote/decide on things together, so that shit that Togane's mom pulled off must with the accordance of the other brains.
>>118762842 >That judgement to end Kagiri wasn't made by Sibyl, but rather Touma/Chief, who overwrote Sibyl's control of the dominator to kill him when it intended to paralyze him since his CC was low.
When Akane confronts Sibyl about Kagari's death, they don't say "oh that was just Touma's fault" (who would make a pretty good scapegoat since he was dead) but defend it as a necessary choice to preserve the system. And of course the next brain put into Kasei tries to do the exact same thing with Kogami.
>Sibyl by its own admission is flawed. That's my whole point. Therefore they shouldn't really care if their "collective' CC is high if the end result is them producing better judgements.
>>118763485 I just don't understand the concept of a "collective" psycho pass, especially one where they can instantly tell which individuals are causing the high CC, which makes me wonder why they couldn't just judge those individual parts in the first place and skip the need for a group score.
>>118763772 I wouldn't accept that in Season 1. In Season 2, where getting a Dominator pointed at you or seeing someone else getting shot with one turns you into a latent criminal? It become a contest of finding a worse system.
>>118752641 Not worse. But not as good. It felt underwhelming and seemingly accomplished nothing other than killing off characters we hardly knew much about throughout the series. Plus, the finale sucked. Akane shooting out the tires of the truck she was riding and Kogami chasing Makishima through the wheat field is incredibly memorable to me. Meanwhile, we were fed mostly backstory of Kamui rather than personality which made me not care too much about his death in the end. And Togane's freakout was more funny than shocking. I still liked it
>>118763630 I don't think they thought it through, to judge a collective, they need to judge each individual. If Kamui is composed of many people, it should read many CCs instead of no CC. It's like pointing the dominator at a group of people.
I doubt we'll see Sibyl judging a whole group of people, it defeats the purpose of having inspectors/enforcers as the eyes of the system.
Why was Kamui able to shoot Momma Togane? Shouldn't she be CA? >inb4 "muh Sibyl group CC" Brains playing inside Kasei are separated from Sibyl. This was stated in Season 1, when Kasei plugs into her chair, learns Sibyl has decided to tell Akane the truth, and says she won't understand the decision until she's in a jar again.
>>118764719 So you completely ignored the part where I said there's no reason Sibyl couldn't make itself judgable, and then never act on the judgement, which would completely fit with their previous behavior of value judgements.
>>118765062 Because as I already said, Sibyl is a pragmatic entity. Those brains may give it a high CC, but the cost of "administering justice' to them is the loss of their judgement. The whole reason behind putting some awful criminals in Sibyl in the first place is that their contributions to the system outweigh their own crimes.
>>118765100 Brains that cause a high collective CC are the ones Sibyl added because they were needed. CAs that had committed crimes and were caught and added don't "compromise" the system, they're the entire point of the system.
>>118765184 There is no "paradox." Sibyl can judge itself and give a good judgement, judge itself and give a bad judgement, or be incapable of judging itself. Those are the options, there is no paradox present, and certainly not the specific omnipotence paradox.
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