Do we all agree that the Berserker armor was a bad choice?
Because whenever he uses it (almost every fight, now), he becomes a weird supernatural mix of Sonic and Mario instead of getting mad to defeat his enemies (pic related)
No. Without it he wouldn't do shit against later Apostles. No fucking cannon ball or amount of guts will save him from that dragon apostle for example.
Bad choice was adding merry band of kids.
For one thing, he didn't get mad to defeat his enemies. He got mad in general and was slowly losing himself to the demon within. For another, it also never made him as strong as the Berserker armor does. He's struggling now, but that's because his enemies are larger and stronger than ever.
He's still about to lose his mind, and that's a major drawback of the armor. Either they fix that, or he's going to die or worse.
They didn't fight for a long time, but he wasn't losing more than against any other apostle. Guts is always overpowered at the beginning of his fights against apostles and has to find a way to
cut them harder
Because Guts is wearing armor never intended to be worn by humans.
The berserker armor is dwarf armor only intended to be worn by dwarves and like the witch stated, it was a popular mass produced armor for the dwarves.
Berserk armor feels like shit for Guts to wear because of this.
Only way to fix this shit is for Guts to meet some Dwarf Blacksmiths.
Or get a non-beserk dwarf armor.
I highly doubt Dwarf generals or their lords would wear berserker armor because generals have to kinda remain sane during battle so only dwarves in the front line would likely wear berserker armor.
The dwarf generals likely wore even better armor compared to the berserker armors with none of the side effects.
With that said, since the dwarves possess this level of craftsmanship, its strange how we didn't see any dwarves wreck any apostle who dares to fuck around in their territory.
Dwarves are probably extinct. What I find curious is how they even existed in the first place since before magic world and real world started merging.
Talking about Berserk always makes me think of Dark Souls, fuck.
I can understand where they're coming from. Before guts had to just use his own quick thinking, reflexes and strength to defeat enemies. But with the armor it feels like he's using a crutch and it makes the fights seem less high stakes.
On the other hand, Guts probably wouldn't be able to defeat newer enemies without it, and the armor is slowly killing him, making him blind and could drive him to insanity. I think it's a good balance, it's not just a straight power up.
That's what I like about Berserk though. There's never a perfect answer to a problem (except kill things, I suppose) Griffith couldn't magically heal he had to
murder all of his friends. And Guts can't just murder Griffith and solve his problems. So he gets a power that could let him fight apostles, but it damages him too; that feels appropriate.
Berserk never really followed common designs for typical fantasy creatures. Just look at Puck, he's and elf and yet most fantasy settings would just have him as a fairy or something.
I thought that too at first but after a while the lil guy started to grow on me. His back and forths with Guts were pretty amusing. Besides, without him Guts would just be by himself during the Black Swordsman arc. Without Puck there we wouldn't have gotten as much insight into Guts's character.
Though I don't want to fuck Puck.
>with the armor it feels like he's using a crutch
It makes him stronger, but it also destroys him. It's not like it's a pure power-up with no drawbacks.
>and it makes the fights seem less high stakes.
His entire party that he's trying to protect is at stake as well as his own life.
You would have to just be assuming 'oh he's got this super armor so that means he can't lose' while basically ignoring all the potential for harm it brings with it. His bones are literally cracking inside the armor, his consciousness is literally being torn in half, and he's literally death charging the people he cares about. So no, I really don't understand why people see this as such a fantastic power-up that makes things so super easy for him.
The thought of anything happening to Guts' new pals makes me worried. Right now they represent a small ray of home that he'll find happiness and companionship at the end of his journey.
That's why it's great, it could go either way.
Maybe they all work together and beat Griffith with the power of teamwork. Maybe Griffith murders them and Guts does some shounen shit and becomes true berserk.
Maybe none of this happens and they never beat Griffith.
I think it would be a bit unnecessary to kill his companions off. Guts already learned the error of abandoning his comrades and having to watch them die, it would be kind of redundant for that to happen again.
At least not unless Miura wants the moral of the story to be that Guts is perpetually fucked to be forever alone and that every attempt to better himself is useless.
Do you think that if we went back in time to when the lost children arc was coming out and told Berserk fans that Guts would team up with a kawaii loli witch, would they believe us?
Just a few years ago we had Berserk threads hitting bump limits, but nowdays we can barely scrape by 20 or 50 posts before thread is dead. Despite constant hiatuses, I don't remember we ever had this bad.
We had a fantastic berserk thread not to long ago. Nobody's here because of the baity OP.
Not that I think that anyone who dislikes the Berserker armor is a "troll" or whatever, but the OP really posted his opinion in a shitpost-like manner.
I think the armor was a point of moral compromise for guts. It also shows how his willpower is starting to fail as he trades his humanity for the chance of vengeance.
I think it foreshadows a more serious decision between maintaining his current newfound relationships and seeking revenge for the deaths of his comrades.69
What's worse just leaving the series as is? Or the epilogue though. Even at a chapter a month would take another 5-10 years to wrap up the story. And we all know realistically we'd get maybe 4 chapters a year if we're lucky.
Berserk is turning in to Apocalypse Now.
>Journey on a boat to find some evil leader of a group of blind followers
>Guts is Willard
>Casca is Lance
>Griffith is Kurtz
>They arrive at Falconia
>Griffith captures Guts
>Gives him a bunch of long monologues
>Casca is being her retarded self and dicking around with everyone there
>Guts kills Griffith
>Walks down the stairs of his whatever
>People just stare in awe, make a path for him as he walks away
>Takes a retard Casca back to the boat
I just wonder what Casca is going to be like when she comes back to normal. Is she going to hate Guts, or still love him? Will she go through all the steps he also did when he was raped (not wanting to be touched, etc.)? Will they try to have incredibly awkward sex? With both of their PTSD and Guts's questionable sanity level it would be interesting. Will she even remember the eclipse?
>but the armor is killing him!
This argument is so silly. Guts is the MC he is not going to end up as half-retarded cripple no matter how much he overuses the armor.
The armor was a terrible addition to the series because it removed any complexity from the fights.
Lone swordsman vs horrifying abominations was an interesting concept but now it's gone for shitty dragonball fights.
Might as well reveal that Guts is the bastard child of Zodd and Slan so he has an excuse to dual wield dragonslayers for maximum faggotry.
Demon sex was so good it drove her insane. If she goes back to normal then Guts is certainly out of luck with them having a sex life.
@ Topic: Guts is following the footsteps of Skull Knight. The armor is a plot device that slowly takes away his humanity.
The armor was added to give The Beast an edge over guts' affection for his growing party, and to allow guts to defeat the ever stronger enemies.
It also allows his internal conflict to begin to mean something to the rest of the party, which is important when you recall Guts' Behelit. Berserk is now about how guts is torn between the revenge and anger which has allowed him to survive, or to stay with his new comrades.
Is staying with his new comrades betraying his old comrades, by not seeking revenge and forgetting them?
Berserk is about more than the grimdark and hyperviolence.
At least the Berserker armor works as a symbolism of Guts being consumed by his rage and hatred. I agree that I preferred the idea of Guts surviving fights by the skin of his teeth, but with how powerful the apostles are now it'd start stretching many peoples suspension of disbelief that he can still beat them.
I don't see it as that much of a DBZ power up, and while we may not get to see the side effects of the berserker armour in their most dire form, the very fact that these possibilities exist really gives a sense of weight and importance to each time Guts decides let himself be consumed a little more by it.
>If she goes back to normal then Guts is certainly out of luck with them having a sex life.
Guts was raped and they were still able to have sex, even if it was painfully awkward. He might be able to get through to her because he's the only other named character to be raped, so he might know what she will most likely go through. With that he will help her to heal and then they have sexy time. When she's all healed up she will be trained to fight with one of the magic bullshit weapons and then they all go after Griffith, leading in to the final arc.
Please recall that it wasn't just the fact that she was raped.
She was being touched by a God Hand with the brand. If we recall early on in the manga around chapter 15 Guts attempts to attack Femto but is unable to get within range due to the pain of the brand.
I think if anything, it's more that than the rape that caused her to go loopy.
That's just what caused her to go loopy initially. When she is healed that part is completely taken care of. I doubt that it will have the same lasting effects as the rape itself.
That's a fair point anon, but i honestly doubt considering the mental and physical pain she went through, that she'd even remember the rape upon being cured anyway, unless someone told her.
Berserker armor is a good story choice, but visually it's bad because the fights are now really dumb looking. Farnese and her +1 were a bad choice.
So, had a thought. Since Guts and Casca were the sacrifices to make Femto, yet they are still alive, does that mean he might not be 100% God Hand right now? Especially when you consider babby's body.
Am i the only here who thinks that every time Guts goes into berserk mode with Schierke on he fucking looks like the goddamn Batman with the cape and shit with the horn.
>Is berserk the edgiest shit ever made?
The kids are awake people.
Anyway, what the hell gives you that idea?
Are you new?
Have you read the manga? Have you watched show adaption?
Are you autistic?
Usually when shounen battle manga has this kind of power up they claim it has a price but it rarely has to be paid (Naruto's Kyuubi and Ichigo's hollow both worked themselves out without any major loss to either of them). Guts however has already paid and has to keep paying, so I don't mind it.
>abandon the quest for revenge and live with her.
How about no?
>dont always go for revenge
>it's not worth it even if it was something unforgivable
>forget about me
>Just remeber to stick to yourself and your morales
>DONT DONT DONT DONT
Pretty good story and very good art.
Loveable main Character
>with Shierke there, armour drawbacks are mostly negated.
Just as nothing bad happened to the Band of the Hawk ,right?
My statement is based on what previous Arcs have shown. If Miura is consistent, i wouldn't doubt that he'll make a few sacrifices.
You are just simply guessing. You are deluding yourself
I don't think the armour itself is bad, it's just handled poorly in the story. When Guts first used it, his hair got white and we were told that every time he uses this armour he becomes less humane. And after that he keeps using it and thanks to some brat-witch-bullshit "no consequences at all" just some random blood coughing.
It was supposed to shake with the basics of Guts' character, not some random power up.
then rickert makes some napalm and burns the shit out of falconia
I think we're just on the cusp of a huge boost in the armour's lethality and that we're being lulled into a false sense of security in thinking that Schierke can just jump in and save Guts whenever.
nothing wrong with the followers or what they bring to the story. And i trust Miura not to introduce something like the beast of darkness with the intention of letting it controlled (by kids no less) for the entire story.
Isidro looks up to Guts as a role model and mentor which is something he may not even have had during Golden Age. And for the first time Guts has taken someone under his wing and trained them.
Schierke has tonnes of purpose in the group. She's the one with expertise in the astral world and arguably a closer ally to Guts than Golden Age Griffith. Right now she's the only ally actively helping Guts subdue the beast of darkness.
And Farnese and Serpico are the only members with the potential to split off from the group or worse, actually turn around and challenge Guts (though this is more likely Serpico considering Farnese's new developments). They add tension to the group, especially considering they're only there to cure Casca and we don't know how they'll react to meeting Griffith AND finding out Guts is planning to kill him.
none of that does anything to improve the STORY, they don't actually have a purpose in the story as a whole.
Schierke, Farnese, and Serpico have all been introduced to the story as a driving force to the plot for a segment of filler, at this time they had purpose. But then the arc ends yet they STAY with the group for some arbitrary reason just to fill out a cast.
Isidro is 100% pointless tho, puck already fills his role. all he does is make "intense fights" look trivial
>character development and dynamics do nothing to improve a story
Not that guy, but come on anon, story is more than just plot. Part of the reason why Berserk is as revered as it is in the first place is because of the unusually good character development. If all that were stripped away and it was just reduced to the plot, then it would just be any other generic fantasy manga.
If you really think Guts would be better off going back to edgy alone black swordsman out for revenge, then you apparently don't even care about the character development of even the main character.
>then it would just be any other generic fantasy manga.
no, the BEST generic fantasy manga. name me ONE "generic fantasy manga" that comes close to the 1st 4 arcs of berserk
Also, if a characters only purpose is to grow another character they are pretty fucking worthless. Look at puck, he has a purpose to the story (setting mood / comedy), he grows guts AND develops himself.
the rest don't DO anything, sure they are interesting characters but i just don't see a point to them after their introduction arcs end
>if a characters only purpose is to grow another character they are pretty fucking worthless
Only if you don't care about character development and think everything has to be in service of the plot. Which we seem to have established that that's you.
Berserk apparently just isn't the manga for you anymore, since you're complaining about things that aren't going to change.
so you suggest he use foul language to combat full blown demons? or you forgot how useless he was during the festival? sure he killed lots of monsters but in the end, all the guts he had for war meant nothing.
that's as dumb as saying why would some one jump in a sherman when combating a tiger in lieu of running up on the tiger with a hand grenade. you're not very bright OP.
Gonna dump some cool pages from King of wolves, one of Miura's early works
You can tell it heavily influenced berserk
Only italian Scans unfortunately at least that's all I can find.
Plus it is only one volume.
You can tell Miura still wanted to use this design formerc guts
Final image I saved, tried not to save many pages with italian dialogue