ITT: Strongest characters of a series
You have a point, but she's straight up bullshit, so doesn't count
Gohan had the largest talent of everyone in the series and that purple old guy unleashed all of it with that dance.
Goku + Vejita fusion was stronger than Gohan. But Goku was weaker.
If we're talking like that, aside from the freeza saga and halfway through the majin one, Goku only were the strongest in the climax, so there's no point arguing, it should have ended with the namek arc anyway.
Could solo all of Roanapur with his eyes closed if his main priority wasn't posing and monologuing.
Shichika wasn't even top three within his series.
Op as fuck
This may come as a shock, but you just have to trust me.
togashi is the strongest asshole tied with miura.
"Gilgamesh? What's that, some kind of fence?"
But could he defeat the crowned prince of freshness?
the mahora festival starts soon and the turnament is ontop of the tower
Yeah, that didn't answer my question. The powerlevel scaling is already nearing 1/4~1/2 of the negima and they were barely 50 chapters in and sincerely the whole drama with the genderless guy was annoying, I prefer the dead pan tsundere or whatever
>The powerlevel scaling is already nearing 1/4~1/2 of the negima
>they were barely 50
Well, time to pick up this
How do I explain this to you?
Bootenk was the stronger version of Buu with the exception of Buuhan.
He is, and he would've won if he hadn't been facing the second strongest Apocrypha and his anti-god NP hadn't been blocked by the only NP whos abilities were vague enough to counter it with pure bullshit. And if he hadn't used it he'd simply remain completely invincible.
Maybe not yet, but if we're honest we all know he will be by the end.
Although I do wonder how she would hold up against Fujino's clairvoyance-enhanced abilities.
Zelretch's a DAA too.
Bagels is still probably not as strong as Barthomeloi anyways, and has shit compatibility with anyone with MeoDP.
Of the characters that appear on the 3 mainFate/something she's weaker than super Kirei too.
If you go by the numbers, fujino would beat shiki, but that would imply that numbers mean anything in type moon.
>In addition to her Mystic Eyes, Fujino also achieved Clairvoyance during the battle with Shiki; combined with her Distortion, this allowed her to bend objects outside of direct eye contact, making her a fearsome opponent. She achieves the greatest ability within the story when looked at from pure statistics. After the events of the Broad Bridge incident, her eyesight became extremely poor to the point where she has to rely on a blind stick.
>he missed the miracle of the universe
The big questionmark is whether Shiki would be able the cut the bending magic again.
Previously the fight pretty much made a 180 degree turn when she figured out how they worked.
milf Shiki didn't get anywhere near enough screentime
>> Implying aizen didn't say he was just watching how things happen if he takes a interest he will move
That was in this current arc when the almighty went and asked aizen to join him.
On top of that she removed the weight behind her blows when she was hitting him with those speed blitz techniques.
You have to consider that she has the strength of a full grown mountain man, yet she hit him with with weightlessness using that bug guys abilities
Outside God modes Madoka would be the strongest. She killed Walpurgisnacht in one hit once, her strongest witch forms can destroy the Earth after awhile or become larger than the Earth itself.
You didn't read the manga because if you had, you would have known this. Smile let him win, EVERYTHING points to this. Even Kazama said he could have still gone pro, it's just that he didn't want to.
izi, there's not even competition
Madoka has the most magical potential so she can make almost anything happen.
Mami wrecked Homura, who has obscene combat capabilities remotely with a copy made of ribbons.
Are you fucking high?
>“I do not need speed.”
>A cold voice cut her off.
>“If I swing, I hit my enemy, so I don’t need to >put any effort into hitting them.”
>Kamijou did not know what happened.
>The next thing he knew, Fiamma, who was >supposed to be a few kilometers away, was
>situated right under Vento’s chin and her body >was blown away an instant later.
I didn't read the manga, so this could be my own interpretation, but it seemed pretty clear in the anime. Butterfly Joe was not a foreshadowing, but a foil to Smile. By going easy on Ryuu Kazama, Butterfly Joe lost his career and more importantly his friendship. Meanwhile, Smile trusted in Peco's ability to rise to the challenge and be the hero that prevails against all odds. As a result, their friendship remains intact and Smile's career is still open to him as Dragon mentions. However, by his own choice, Smile decides not to as it is not in his nature. Butterfly Joe was the opposite as he wanted to go on, but the media killed his career.
Arguing about no limits fallacies is pointless, every single ability in the raildex verse is a NLF. His holy right is supposed to be like that, the whole point is that it will ALWAYS be strong enough to match the threat.
>And that's the ability of types with backup from their planet as well.
Sure, but the planet can only supply what it has.
Fiamma's power is capped by whatever Archangel Michael.
Archangels in Index are obscenely powerful, a weakened Gabriel casually moved stars around to make a magic circle cast an obscenely overpowered spell.
Michael is the highest ranking archangel and the likeness of God.
>He'll get killed against an attack faster than light
Gabriel clearly moves things, especially light, faster than light, otherwise him moving the stars to create a magic circle wouldn't be visible or noticeable.
Angel shit doesn't rely on time.
Fiamma is as fast as he needs to be.
I can pull that same card with a lot of verses or characters' powers. Just because a power doesn't have an stated limit doesn't mean we have to assume it has none without feats to back it up. By that logic Fiamma can beat multiversal-level characters, which is retarded.
Let me explain how a fight against Fiamma usually works:
Are you affected by his holy right's instantkill and instanthit abilities?
You lose unless you can wreck his meager more mundane powers.
Time clearly doesn't matter to angel stuff, otherwise Gabriel couldn't visibly have rearranged the stars to cast a spell. Twice.
>Gabriel clearly moves things
That doesn't mean he himself is faster than light specially when he has no feat to back it up. Please stop with the fanwanking ToArufag, it's starting to get pathetic.
As this anon said, his power comes from the Archangel Michael, who is the likeness of god. A weakened Gabriel was able to move stars around like they were toys, and Gabriel is weaker than Michael. Unless it's more powerful than Archangel Michael, he can't lose.
Wouldn't happen, his autodefense would protect him.
Arguing logic with Indexfags is a mostly fruitless endeavor. You're better off trying to stick your own erect dick in your ass and mouth simultaneously.
Except Fiamma and the Holy Right itself would get destroyed against an attack FTL. The HR has no feat of defending against an attack FTL., simple as that. Your fanwanking means nothing.
who is the strongest touhou anyway?
>That doesn't mean he himself is faster than light specially when he has no feat to back it up
He can either act and make things happen faster than light, including doing silly stuff like moving the light being emitted by the stars, time travel or has obscene precognitive abilities.
Weakened Gabriel was the weakest angel of them.
Pick whichever you prefer, they all have the same outcome.
The Holy Right is deteriorating with constant use.
That's why Fiamma needed IB and Index.
Fun fact: LPSaD Fiamma can do anything God does.
Yukari, Koichi and Flan are contenders.
The fastest one wins.
Rearranging stars in a way that it's visible from Earth implies one of those three.
You can choose whichever you like, they all have the same implications.
>He can either act and make things happen faster than light
Except you have no proof he can do this shit. Just because he moved the stars at FTL speed doesn't mean Gabriel can react or fight at FTL speed. Wank harder.
>time travel or has obscene precognitive abilities
This is false as well. And even if that were true, wouldn't help him against FTL attacks.
>Rearranging stars in a way that it's visible from Earth implies one of those three.
You can choose whichever you like, they all have the same implications.
Even if it's faster than light, there is a cap on how fast it is.
Gods > Youkai
Lies and deception.
His demon dad doesn't have the power of friendship.
Hell even if we assign the speed of the movement of the stars to Gabriel's own, which would be wrong of course, he still gets wrecked. Fate/Extra top tiers are hundreds of millions to billions of times FTL.
>doesn't mean Gabriel can react [...] at FTL speed
Actually that's exactly what it means, otherwise he couldn't stop the stars in exactly the right place.
>This is false as well
Remember, stars are really, really far away.
If he paints the night sky using stars, that either has to mean that he moved the stars while reacting faster than light to stop them when they're in the right place or that the moved the stars a long time before the fight, so it looks like he did it while casting his spell.
>statistically impossible to beat
>has survived being burned alive 4 times, frozen, dropped from orbit, shot in the heart, and other numerous wounds and injuries
>his superiors tried to kill him about 50 times just to see if he could die
>reacts so fast his AI built specifically to predict and counter superhuman enemy movements burnt out trying to keep up with him
>went up against TWO ARMIES with about 5 dudes backing him up and won
>1v200 against some mercenary faggots
>religious organization with followers all over the galaxy regards him as a natural disaster, and shit themselves when they learn he's coming after them
>he kicks their army's teeth in with only the help of a doctor
>killcount is at 2 planets, god, 3 fleets, 25 million friendly units, plus a similar number of enemy units, 3 armies, a number of supersoldiers, and counting up
>25 million friendly units, plus a similar number of enemy units
Feels good to have a series with an indisputable overpowered strongest so you don't have to deal with powerlevel shitposting
Nope. Smile viewed Peco as a hero and a hero can overcome all obstacles. He challenged Peco to see if he truly was a hero and in the end he understands that Peco really was a hero as he was able to overcome his injury and still win against him.
Sorry for poor English.
Othinus "why bother fighting when I can just end the world and make a new one without enemies" can effortlessly crush everything Nasuverse, except for true demon, at the same time with her preferred method.
>Implying Shirou wouldn't befriend the shit out of her
Wrong. Gary Stu reporting in as the strongest, just you wait for the upcoming intense training to develop the ultimate technique.
all of them defeated by this girl
I'm not even a Raildex shitposter but Othinus is a capital-G omnipotent God with power over the entire universe and the Mooncell is a giant magical computer with no power beyond its virtual reality and indirectly Earth.
There's nothing in Fate that could defeat her if she was making any effort to stop them.
>but she got cut off into a million different pieces!
It's a Gainax ending, so it doesn't count.
Reimu has the ultimate defense making her undefeatable, but she's not necessarily the most powerful by any means
No, resolving that issue is what elevates her to perfect Magic God status and she decides to remake existence on a whim immediately afterwards.
THIS SHIT IS WHY I HATE POWERLEVEL THREADS.
It's seriously like comparing apples and oranges. You're comparing characters that function under completely different sets of rules, and you try to force them to coexist.
Shiki can kill Fiamma and Othinus, discuss.
Reimu is unbeatable when she's not giving a damn about the rules.
The spellcard rules exist so Raymoo doesn't effortlessly crush them every single fight, so other can actually fight Reimu and that Yukari doesn't have to rebuild Gensokyo whenever somewhat strong individuals clash.
See but that's the issue when talking about anime and manga characters, authors usually don't give them thorough feats of power, they tell you what the character can do and leave it at that.
>Implying he could even touch Fiamma in melee range
Even if Fiamma fucked up and Shiki was going to cut him, his autodefense would protect him. There's no way Shiki's brain wouldn't explode in that case.
Tohno will kill Fiamma's manhood
Fiamma is fast enough to land a hit.
Fiamma is strong enough to make that hit an instant kill.
>Tohno especially, he has some kind of combat clairvoyance not unlike Touma's.
Doesn't matter, he could have the universe warping itself to make him win and he'd still lose.
Fiamma won against Touma every single time, even on the flying fortress.
>someone who doesn't follow powerlevel rules.
First, if that were true, then he wouldn't be able to beat anyone in the Nasuverse. Nrvnqsr especially, he's practically unkillable but not all that high up there offensively. Literally, the only thing we've seen other than MEoDP that could kill Nrvnqsr is Ea.
Second, Shiki himself doesn't follow powerlevel rules.
Kingprotea is an artificial Servant based on "the Earth Mother", humanity's oldest Divine Spirit and the basis for all creation deities in the Nasuverse. She is essentially the embodiment of the "circle of life" on Earth. Even so, the strongest Divine Spirits inherently cannot be more powerful than Gaia itself or the Types created by other planets, and none have any power beyond Earth. Even Amaterasu can be overwhelmed if confronted by several Heroic Spirits.
The darkness is a natural law, not a character
Going by the updated power levels, probably this guy. He's so hax now he doesn't even have to try.
By the end of the manga the kishin said he already reached the level of a bunshin, and he fought with a handcap since he wasn't used to air battles and had to rely in tsubaki powers, in the epilogue they say he's getting even more strong, not that there's no one that could rival his power though
He cut IB off, grabbed it, accomplished his goal.
Then something invisible and really, really big and evil really scared him, Touma regrew IB and after a speech Fiamma basically went "letting him punch me is fine, I saved the world, but I was a massive bastard about it" .
Aleister obviously made those things happen more or less exactly the way they did.
What wasn't in Aleister's plan was Touma dying after he "won" against Fiamma.
25+ years and people still have trouble believing he was the strongest
Toki was a martial arts master Jesus of the HnK. He also happened to be cursed with that terminal illness which incapacitated him.
The 3 Hokuto Brothers are hard to decide.
I think Toki with no Illness would have edged out Kenshiro and Raoh but that's just my opinion.
Kenshiro did master the Musou Tensei first but if Raoh would have had a better understanding of it he may have beaten Kenshiro.
The irregularity, the inconsistency, the unaccountable, the paradox, the isn't that is, the real unreal, unknown to beginning and incapable of ending.
Kind of sad now that Ikaros is one of the weaker Angeloids, but I just have to deal with it.
probably why the series sucks such massive dick
Shiroyasha is stronger. She's the strongest that we know. The highest tiers of digit one Gods would be stronger, but we don't know them yet.
From the novel:
Suddenly the area was lit as if by a spotlight. I looked up and saw that the aurora filled the entire sky. A curtain of pale green hung across the sky, blended with ripples of red, pink and purple light.
“How…? Shun, are you doing this?”
I knew that the aurora only appeared at the north and south poles. Although I didn’t understand how it worked with solar wind and plasma and whatever, I could tell that pulling off a stunt like this was something not even Shisei Kaburagi could do.
>powerful sword skills.
>able to beat any member of the himura group
If not for the skin condition and himura MC super power.
Shishio was by fair the strongest swordsmen in the manga.
Now the idea of a fight between him and Seijūrō Hiko came to mind. But sent they never crossed paths we will never know who was the strongest.