I was kind of surprised how abrupt the ending was, it was like Ginko telling them to fuck off with their arguing because the game was done. Also because the husband went nuts but it still felt pretty quick compared to the ending of Billiards.
>>119583098 winner or loser of the game doesn't matter. The game is merely a vehicle to drive the drama between the contestants. Whatever actions the contestants take during the game decides where they go: Reincarnation or Void.
reposting stuff from the other thread for discussion
These are the elevators that we've gotten from both episodes, the first one is cutoff by director's choice I assume. You can see that the masks of the elevators in Death Parade were switched. It's hard to say what the masks are in the first picture are though because dem chins.
The masks are Noh Theater masks (Hannya and onnakei) and don't implictly have to deal with heaven or hell. >The Hannya mask portrays the souls of women who have become demons due to obsession or jealousy. The Hannya mask is said to be demonic and dangerous but also sorrowful and tormented, displaying the complexity of human emotions. When the actor looks straight ahead, the mask appears frightening and angry; when tilted slightly down, the face of the demon appears to be sorrowful, as though crying if someone could find a good summary of the Onnakei mask that would be nice
Young guy won Death Billiards game and got the Onnakei mask. Michiko won Death Darts game and got the Hannya Maask.
>>119583098 The way I see it is the person who is still attatched to the world in some shape or form gets reincarnated, hence why both people to get reincarnated had those strings attached to them, sorta binding them to the world.
The person with no more attachments to the world enters the void and leaves the realm of life and death.
>>119583292 The elevators were at first referred to as Heaven (天国) or Hell (地獄). These are specifically Heaven and Hell as everyone knows them. Although in Shinto, only the gods live in Heaven, EVERYONE else goes to Hell. Like in Dragon Ball Z. Technically you go to Hell but there's a nice part of Hell where Goku goes and the really shitty part of Hell where Freiza lives. Also it's the same as Greek Mythology where the underworld has the Fields of Asphodel.
I'm guessing they're using the Christian versions for this show (these words in Japanese are also used to refer to Christian heaven or hell). So Heaven=good and Hell=bad
Later Decim refers to them as Reincarnation (転生) and Void （虚無）. Reincarnation is reincarnation as anyone knows it, but Void isn't the one that Buddhism uses, Buddhism refers to the Void as Kuu (空). This Void （虚無） specifically refers to literal nothingness. Like pre Big Bang nothingness. It's also used to refer to Nihilism which is the belief that life is meaningless in a bad way. Buddhism often does get mixed up with Nihilism but it really isn't the same thing. And I really don't want to get into this part so lets just skip it.
So what ultimately happened to Michiko, like everything, is ambiguous. We need to wait for the show to explain what the Void is. The Void is probably if anything, a special anime only thing. Like the thing behind the bar could be the Void for all we know, it was pretty spooky.
A lot of things in the script was way too convenient. She just happens to have a friend called Machiko who the husband doesn't know about, and who is married to a doctor? When they were throwing the darts they always "slipped" with perfect accuracy? The subject of the baby was brought up at the perfect time for more revelations as well. And their attitudes/behavior coincided with what we knew at the time, rather than the full story. I guess you could say they were remembering those things as they went along, but that's convenient in itself.
Also the animation when they went crazy was ugly, and the typical classy quiet bartender type character is really tiresome.
It's okay. Hopefully the concept won't get worn out too quickly in the later episodes.
>>119583354 >Although in Shinto, only the gods live in Heaven, EVERYONE else goes to Hell. What the hell Japan? And only 1% of Japan are Christians? I know most people aren't religious but this belief is just odd.
>>119583311 I agree with that too. The young guy in Billiards realized what he did was wrong but still knew he and the old man weren't equal walking into the game and wanted another chance at life. Takashi just wanted a happy family and felt remorse that he killed the happy family he always wanted. The old man had lived a full life while the woman felt guilty for cheating and not having done anything about it so she let the husband get reincarnated.
>>119583464 >the woman felt guilty for cheating and not having done anything about it so she let the husband get reincarnated. Because laughing at him and telling him he is unlovable and she only wanted his money was a sure fire way to feel sorry for him. I'm agaist domestic violece since he was going to hit her but she was in no way sorry for cheating on him.
I wouldn't mind staying the bar forever and it seems you can bring in items. So if I can internet there I think I be set. You already dead and going to heaven sounds boring and course no one wants to go to hell. And all of the cast seems pretty fun to talk to.
>>119583522 I thought so too, hence the quotation marks, but you could interpret it differently. I just mean that if they were doing it on purpose, then they must be borderline darts professionals. I just thought it was silly.
>>119583560 >Because laughing at him and telling him he is unlovable and she only wanted his money was a sure fire way to feel sorry for him. How can you not get that she's doing that she he doesn't feel guilty about causing the car accident and killing them all? Him being angry at her is better than him being driven mad by guilt (especially since she did cheat she must feel like she deserve to be hated)
>>119583408 The baby thing was her trump card anyway. She used it when she saw fit after recieving the first hit. You dont come out with that shit first. >She just happens to have a friend called Machiko who the husband doesn't know about, and who is married to a doctor? Were you paying attention?
>>119583775 >She didn't feel remose at all. Of course she did. Look at this pic. Does she really look satisfied by this one night stand? Like yeah I made a good decision, let my cry on my pillow about how I feel no remorse.
>>119583560 >Because laughing at him and telling him he is unlovable and she only wanted his money
Nah I truly believe she was bullshitting him there, but she half-assed things by cheating and decided to add that bs on there to reaffirm his suspicions because she knew he wouldn't believe him if she said she cheated on him but still loved him deep down. I think she just blamed herself for what happened and just gave up at the end.
>>119583989 >She kept talking to him over the phone. Still no proof of that.
Her feeling remorse fits perfectly with what she does after the game, taking the blame for the accident so her husband doesn't have to.
>>119584026 >This never looked like she was crying into her pillow. She's clutching the fuck out of that pillow, she's clearly not sleeping. >It was one guy she kept going with not a one time thing. Baseless assumption.
>>119584087 >we can assume she kept a connection with him. I wonder why though. Maybe she just wants to keep him as a backup? As her friends said he has a rich one and a good looking one. Never a backup needed.
>>119584087 First I assumed there was really another "Matchy", now I'm not so sure. Maybe her friends were telling the truth but she actually fell in love with the husband? While the "...but fretted that she couldn't break it off with an old boyfriend" she was talking about herself?
>>119584087 Actually fuck, I'm not sure. What if it was just a one night stand and the other scenes with her phone were just to show the husband's paranoia and her resistance was just because he was invading her privacy? But then what if it wasn't and she was keeping him as another outlet? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>119584310 Did you? Because they were. She lied when she said that there was a Mitchiko. It was her they were talking about. She took the story of her friend who she said hadnt seen in awhile and gave her that story, that she hated her name and got that nick name.
>>119584152 It's what his actions and speech deserved. He was resigned to his death and well accepting of it. He even went so far as the thank the kid for giving a good game of pool before his death. He had given up his attachments to life and was deserving of release from the cycle.
>>119584363 We have to play with what is shown, anon, we can't assume things we didn't see and there's nothing to suport he was invading her privacy. Aside from the car episode the show portaied him as a great husband.
>arguing about the fucking pillow Stop being silly. The fact that she think there's a good chance that the baby is the other guy's means that she must have let the other guy cum inside her on numerous occasions. Use your brain.
>>119584501 >She lied when she said that there was a Mitchiko What are your proves for that? I'm not saying she was definitely saying 100% of the truth, but you can't say she was definitely lying either.
>>119584323 There's a card for Machida Yuuki in the ED. It doesn't mean anything about the story was true.
I knew someone once that, for reasons that completely escape my imagination, left logs of some nonsense related to them cheating on their significant other on one of my computing devices, and when I told them that they had done so, they concocted an elaborate story in an attempt to attribute it to another person in the social circle that had never used it.
>>119584788 >people lie in real life, up to and including framing their real life friends, to their other real life friends >people lie in fiction about their fictional friends, to their fictional husbands
>>119584713 >It doesn't mean anything about the story was true. Why would they choose to specifically show us this Machida Yuuki card in the ED then? They want us to understand that the wife wasn't lying about that. Even if she was cheating in the end, what the husband overhead had nothing to do with her.
>>119584496 My theory right now: her friends were really talking about her, but she mentioned Machida Yuuki to support her lie in case he remenbers her (she does play to win), she did fall in love with the husband before the marriage but her friends had no way of knowing that, she couldn't stop the cheatting after the marriage and the guy keeps 'bothering' her over the phone, the baby could and could not have been the husband's (she's not sure herself), at the end she remenber how she fell in love with him and regrets her actions that led to this but chooses to reveal it in a way that the husband doesn't feel guilty about their deaths.
>>119584536 He was genial. But the very fact he was willing to think his wife was cheating on him with nothing more than bathroom gossip speaks volumes about his faith in other people. While, I'm not saying he should have just brushed it off, the fact that he refused to bring it up with her for fear of it being true speaks volumes.
>>119584903 It just disambiguated the existence of the woman.
Since they don't establish that what she said is true you can apply Occam's Razor. You have to assume that it's more plausible that the woman happened to also marry a doctor, also had an affair, and also retained her unmarried surname.
>>119584575 The card doesn't mean she was telling the truth though. She sheer fact she did cheat on him and that she was given oblivion as her punishment discredits her severely. You could only MAYBE...MAYBE say she was lying at the end to try and protect him a little but even then, remember...she was given oblivion.
I don't get why they stopped the husband from beating the shit out of the wife. They did the same shit with death billiards but the guy actually killed the old man. But they won't even let the husband smack his wife when its actually justified for once.
>>119584947 That's a plausible theory. Mine is different in that the extra phone scenes just show the husband's paranoia and that she only cheated once on him. I think the child was their's but like you said she twisted some things to make it like it wasn't their child so he wouldn't feel all the grief of killing the whole family through his paranoia. I mean it doesn't really matter since both of our theories lead to the same conclusion.
She also said she wasn't lying which was a lie. Overall her sins caught up to her in the end and that was that for her.
I believe that was the point, she comes off as the normal innocent one while he comes off as the ugly bad guy when it was the opposite that was true. She was awful and the ugly one, she just happened to feel bad about it. He was the innocent that looked awful because of his mistrust in her which was well placed in actuality.
>>119585147 >you can apply Occam's Razor That's if you only consider this part of the story.
When in context with everything else, that's what is making the most sense to me.
The starting point of my reasoning is that starting from pic related, the wife is lying about almost everything for the sake of her husband. She says she loves someone else and that she only married him for the money, therefore she truly loved him and not for the money. Which means the toilet gossip wasn't about her, which means Matchy is really Machida Yuuki, and since we know Machida Yuuki exists from the ED card, everything fits.
>>119585389 Maybe, but yeah he shouldn't have grabbed for it and if it was really no one important calling she shouldn't have pulled the phone away. It was just an accident, no one is at fault for the crash.
>>119585440 I think that's the point. It's meant for you to reflect on what happened after you watch the episode and form your own opinion on who you think was more wrong and if they deserved the end they got. I think it's better that way.
>>119585442 I'm just saying, regardless of being unintentional, his actions at that specific point in time directly lead to their deaths. She's clearly at fault for cheating but he made an irrational decision in the heat of the moment that killed them both.
>>119585514 >she was destroyed Can we just stop with this? This is not what the ending means at all. There's no "punishment" or "prize" to be offered to the participants of the the game. It's just two different forms of afterlife, with different meanings, none being objectively "better" than the other.
Honestly I'm pretty much set on everything in this episode until the crash part. I just can't tell if the wife is still communicating with guy #2 or she's just being ultra defensive about Takashi going through her personal stuff.
>>119585276 They only allow violence to occur during the game. It's why when the bartender stops the husband he does so saying "the game is over." In billiards, the game was still ongoing and violence could be used as a legitimate tool in winning the game. Just like in Darts using the other person's darts was a legit tactic. And I'm willing to bet that had the husband tried to kill his wife while the game was still going, they wouldn't have stopped him.
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