Let's face it, Ufotable ruined the Fate series forever by adapting Zero first. The damage control we primaries are trying to do desperately is too much to contain.
http://youtu.be/yrj6ht8ne2g - http://youtu.be/nrpl8W7lE4g
No, what ruined the fate series are the fucking retards that refuse to do the simplest bit of research before starting a series.
This also includes 80% of this board.Have you even fucking noticed how many faggots there are on this board nowadays that refuse to read VNs?
Back in 2008 this board wasnt full of fucking casuals
I'll get my asshole torn apart but I watched Fate/stay night and then Fate/Zero on a whim and enjoyed it with both on their own. I don't have the time or interest to read the VN, but it is there, and if I get a free weekend I'll be sure to sink some hours into it to learn more about the story
all of this secondary nonsense is just wasted time and energy. if they have no interest in reading the novel, they won't suddenly come around
We're trying to damage control our own denial as primaries? If you like the VN you like the adaptation. And if you're not retarded you like Fate/Zero. I don't see the problem.
How much of a loser do you have to be to get mad at people enjoying things?
Secondaries are fucking retarded. They keep thinking Primaries are butthurt because they enjoy something we invested a lot of time in without investing said time.
Its actually Primaries trying to get Secondaries to enjoy the full thing. Only to watch them jump infront of a fucking truck for no reason.
If you watch the anime first you will never get the full enjoyment out of the VN.Youm won't even know how fucking gae bolg works without getting it explained to you.If you had read the VN first you could get twice the enjoyment. but you don't fucking care because you are a secondary.
>This also includes 80% of this board.Have you even fucking noticed how many faggots there are on this board nowadays that refuse to read VNs?
Not reading VNs with adaptations makes sense, though. I at least tend to prioritize VNs that haven't been adapted, unless I really liked the adaptation. An anyways, it is often said that adaptations are supposed to be extended ads for the original work more than anything else. In other words, they are made for secondaries, to lure them in, and complaining about secondaries watching them or showing interest in them is beyond retarded. Watching the anime then reading the original is a desired outcome, reading the original as a "research" before watching the anime is just silly.
>Some people just want something to watch, anon. They aren't nerds without life who can bother to read a 30+ hour visual novel.
Spending, say, an hour or even just half an hour every day reading a VN doesn't take a huge amount of time.
People like you are such faggots. When you call yourself something like a "primary" you are a retarded elitist.
The thing that amazes me though is how F/Z could become popular with such shitty "add more effects until it's good" animation and now FS/N is doing the same thing. The VN looked like shit so it's a step up from that but given the trillions of designs for fs/n you would think they would of went with one that didn't try to stay true to the original, which was dog shit.
Every single design in fs/n is terrible and looks like it was done by a teenager. It's clearly amateur work and I cannot understand, from an art standpoint why people like it.
Yes, shitty VN adaptions are made as advertisement to get more people to buy merchandise and the VN. they are still fucking shit and not worth watching, so you are still better of just reading the VN.
Its not like its hard to find out if a adaption sucks.
Yeah... This is really fucking hard.
I mainly try to explain things on
Youtube comments, but the secondaries will never understand. And ufotable doing once again like DEEN a bad Shirou characterization doesn't help.
I feel bad for Nasu, TM and we primaries. I mean, we know stay night is good, and knowing that other people will forever shit on something I like like comparing it to something inferior to my eyes, well... it's kind of sad.
For what purpose?
The character designs were definitely better in F/Z however F/SN was the first of its kind and coming from what they had, it was quite a lot considering it is still popular even today. Even after they said in 2005 "We're done with this story".
Type Moon has been a part of /a/ for close to a decade at this point. There's pretty much always a thread up; usually multiple. Whether you like it or not it's a part of the culture.
I just want secondaries to know that things aren't like that, I want them to enjoy the same thing I enjoyed so much. But ufotable now made it impossible, making look Shirou like an idiot in the last episode and not putting enough focus on the important parts, like at the end of the date or explaining its purpose.
I believe A-1 Pictures would do a better job with Fate just by looking at their Grand Order PV.
>I believe A-1 Pictures would do a better job with Fate just by looking at their Grand Order PV.
Fucking shitposters man, I know you like baiting people and have nothing better else to do but damn.
>[YouTube] Fate Zero ending scene with Shirou
Yeah nice try, but no, by "waste" I mean there are dozens of better VNs to read, and none of their fanbases are even close to how insuferable fate fanbase is.
If you're going to read VNs, read good ones, not complete and utter shit.
>Wasting 5 years of your life
What is your job?
>learn enough japanese to read FSN (that really isn't hard at all despite the rumors) in 7-8 months or so
Stop posting pls
I am not too critical of the original work, because given the circumstances it's understandable it's not super high production value. What blows my mind is trying to stay true to the part of the production that suffered originally instead of actually improving it like they could. Every fate thing that doesn't have to stay true to the original designs has better designs, like Extra.
Ufotable knows the important of making stuff which is satisfying to the core audience first and foremost. The story and characters must be slavishly faithful to the source material - including the worst things about it.
The only good thing about Fate series is the servants concept.
Shame it had to be an VN so it went all otaku waifu pandering.
Fate would be great if it was just Novels with a fantasy setting, pretty much like Zero instead of shitty VNs that basically force the author to introduce harem elements and otaku pandering.
>King Arthur was a cute girl and the protagonist fucks her
Everything besides that point is irrelevant, it's otaku waifu pandering and there's nothing to do about it
Actually, I'm glad because this is going to make TM threads fun again. We can now shit on secondaries for entertainment until they finally read it or stop trying to discuss it. It's perfect.
>As long as manhwa threads are not deleted I can post whatever the fuck I want here
It's not a matter of "you shouldn't talk about the VN", but rather "you shouldn't expect people to want to read/play VNs".
Except these mythological figures are barely characters and don't have 1% of the presence of their original.
You have fucking Arthur, the only servant with actual screen-time, being made into a retarded little girl who act like a boar and has none of the charisma of the original
It's not ufotable's fault though.
They even made Fate route of the VN for free as a way to ease people into their anime. They're trying to get people to become not secondary filth.
yeah, what a shame I have read the VN and actually know almost everything about the series.
Luckily I have self-respect and some taste and I have no problem admiting I read something awful and wasted some time doing it.
Good luck with your denial in life, you'll need it.
btw, the term "secondary" is used for people who haven't read the VN and make pointless questions, not for people who disagree with you, retard.
I don't remember stuttering in my post, are you ok? why are you quoting posts incorrectly? are you insecure about something?
And yes, take a look around other VN threads, only fate's fanbase is as retarded and autistical, no one else gets mad when people who only watched the anime of their liked VN make wrong questions.
>autist can't even into understanding posts
Careful m80, this ain't reddit, nobody's going to hold your hand through the difficult text. Better take care of that autism and try again, kid.
I feel sorry for people if Type-Moon was the only place you could hide from normalfags and responsibility. You're club is changing and screaming secondary isn't going to chase them away.
There's literally not a single part of your past that makes sense and doesn't make you look like a retarded 15 yo kid, man, I feel really sorry for you.
How to detect when someone is out of ideas.
>Except these mythological figures are barely characters and don't have 1% of the presence of their original.
These mythological figures were mostly main characters of their original myths. Hardly comparable when they're being used as side characters in a battle royale.
>You have fucking Arthur, the only servant with actual screen-time, being made into a retarded little girl who act like a boar and has none of the charisma of the original
There was likely a King Arthur during that time period, but the myths are nowhere near consistent. You can't fault a writer for having creative liberty with a fictional person. Hell, this shit is even directly brought up in FZ when Waver points out that Rider looks nothing like the books say of Alexander the Great.
Books are like a massive game of telephone. When you have stories from thousands of years ago, it needs other sources to corroborate it. Otherwise you can pretty much assume that it has been altered enough times to be fictional.
I agree, LNs are the worst part of the industry by a huge margin. You wanna spend your time reading text without voices or sound? read a real fucking book and not a LN that has 95% chance of having shitty writing and being haremshit.
Why didn't Lancer just lend Saber his curse-wounds-that-can't-heal spear
>You can't fault a writer for having creative liberty with a fictional person
I can when the writer takes a character like Arthur and make him even more stupid that a 18 years old kid.
Saber can't into tactics to save her life, the fact that Shirou aka the guy who will literally throw himself in front of a bullet is more level-headed is pretty fucking retarded.
Saber is a loyal servant. She protects Shirou and leaves the tactics to Shirou, who consulted with Rin and her anyways. And in FZ, she protected Iri and left the tactics to Kerry.
I'm not sure what other tactics you'd like her to take because if she isn't protecting her master, then she loses.
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>Not reading VNs with adaptations makes sense, though
>adaptations are supposed to be extended ads for the original work
What the fuck. Watching the ad instead of the thing it's advertising makes sense how? Instead of the original, you prefer a diluted copy, filtered through a bunch of people who had nothing to do with the original?
>Berserker in UBW
She didn't defeat him but if you mean her using the tombs at her advantage it's basically the only time in the game where she uses her brain.
>Gilgamesh in Fate
>Assassin in UBW
Oh please, how many times does Saber just decide to go fuck it and rush the enemy and you get a bad end for that.
Rushing into Caster in Fate for example without consulting anyone.
She is supposed to be a king who went through countless battles and she never show any of that stuff
>people still worshipping the F/SN VN as if it's the best thing ever
>people still giving a fuck about in which order people watch their chinese cartoons
There's a reason why Nasu likes the Moon Cell more than Fuyuki, you know.
>There's no edge
You clearly haven't read 2wei or 3rei.
I personaly do it for the OST and seeing some scenes animated.
Also Rin's expressions
I agree with the VA part. It's like listening to a radio drama so it's easier to follow.
But the visual part they are actually the same. LNs focus on killing people's imagination so there are always many pictures and charts. They are becoming a plain version of manga.