Why is this supposed to be good?
I watched the first episode and it was the complete generic shoujo story and I can already see the whole fucking plot. So why is it supposed to be good? Just nostalgia goggles? Shit's like Sailor Moon.
The figures of her are so cute.. the anime looks like shit
Well, she's the SJW of that school and frees all surpressed women and brings feminism to that place full of evil rapist men. Since it's tagged with yuri I guess there will be plenty of chicks falling for her but she'll get her beautiful beta prince who will do the household. Or maybe her prince will be a girl too in the end. And lots roses.
It's like this, isn't it?
Spot on, good work figuring out the show so early!
Close, but you didn't say anything about cows.
i thought this applied to everyone
good job, you got the plot 100% on from the first episode
btw you forgot all the rape, there's a man who is literally raping and oppressing the womyn
>Utena tells a coming-of-age story that explores two curious notions: can someone stick to childish ideals in order to defeat an opponent who embodies adulthood? And can a girl made of frills and pink hair and flower symbolism break free of the expectation of becoming a princess, and instead take on the role of a prince?
>At its core, though, Utena follows the story of a friendship-turned-romance between two girls who never expected it; director Ikuhara has even said that the love between the two is the most important thing of all.
>The series also focuses on sex, although it doesn't use any explicit imagery. Incest becomes a major theme, and the series explores it from numerous perspectives; loss of innocence (sexual and otherwise) also becomes very important.
Sounds like a 10/10 anime/manga right here.
>That's because it is.
Are you even a man?
But Juri is one of the best characters in the show.
the only impression i got from Juri is that she's a fucking idiot. Anyone would have fucked off far away from Shiori upon realising what bitch she is but noo, muh amulet
utena is also a retard
>She doesn't love Shiori.
Nigga please. Even her name sounds like yuri.
Her locket doesn't represent her love for Shiori in the sense you think.
The locket's meaning to her isn't in it's connection to Shiori, but rather in connection to the love she once felt.
Utena is not really about the feminism but more about growing up. Actually a lot of girls went through the "i'll be the prince myself'' stage, some of tumblershits at their 20's are still at that stage. And Utena don't really care about anyone except her friends.
It's hard to deny that Utena has feminist influences and themes, though. The expectations set by fairy tales about princes and princesses are core to the series, and tie to the central theme of maturing and realizing that such ideals don't exist.
I watched Utena after a lot of hype about it and It just wasn't that good. Looking back on the show while reading a lot of these 'this is what Utenas really about' fagparagraphs, i can understand how you are right but in short the series itself is too dragged out and too repetitive.
A duel almost every episode consisting of a grand total of 3 different duels against maybe 10 duelists, how does that shit even work out. cars driving on the fucking walls, spiral staircases (Oh but anon, that is super metaphysical) no its just another way to waste a minute every episode with the same scene and song that leads to a duel i have literally seen the episode before
Some people are put off by the repetitive nature of the series, so I don't blame you for criticizing it on that front.
However, I think that its formulaic nature has some purpose to it. On the surface, it's a subversion of mahou shoujo tropes like many other elements in the series, but its also used to make some of the themes clear. When you're trying to analyze the characters of Utena, the easiest way is to compare the differences in their duels. The show's structure makes it easy to compare and contrast character relations for a deeper understanding, and it makes the writing cleaner.
Looking at Penguindrum, which doesn't follow a rigid structure, it's clear that far fewer people understand it because it is more complicated in the way it conveys itself.
The only thing that was correct was the lots of roses. It is much smarter than what you've described.
Also going by your post, you're a massive twat but good news, this show is actually aimed at twats like you. There's two ways this could go. Either you're going to finish this having gained a new perspective and becoming a better, less twatty person, or it will all go over your head because you're too stuck in your /pol/ ways. It took me 8 episodes to get into it by the way. Also don't skip recap episodes, they're important.
>Using the word 'beta' unironically
>wah anime has budget
Go watch some action flicks or whatever
Utena's way of transforming a save of resources into an emphasis on the ritualistic aspect of the show is clever, like it or not
Were butthurt beta males always this common on /a/ or did GamerGate drag them in?
The staircase scene is basically a transformation scene like in other popular mahou shoujo series. It technically changes twice, though the first time only the music changes to a more industrial remix in the black rose arc to signify the change in tone. My interpretation of the second change is to show that Utena and Anthy have gotten closer, since the sequence is far more intimate than just walking up stairs, and by that point Utena is battling with the sword within herself, representing the strength of her and Anthy's relationship as well as the power of her ideals.
Ikuhara uses stairs or elevators (you just remember the elevetaors now?) for sombolism purposes. Google that cause I'm not feeling like typing a whole essay about it, it's been discussed plenty of time.
It's also a very nice scene to spare some budget
It's also great way of introducing a ritualistic touch in the show (linked with many aspects that Utena deals with) even if it's far from the only reccurring scene
Lastly, it makes you pay more attention to the actual duel that follows (because you will be more apt to notice even a slightdifference after it) and it's implications.
But tbh that's just a small part of the show. Sying Black Rose arc is problematic is one thing, but complaining about this ?
Different anon here, I think she did care about her but she was too fixated on the past to help their relationship progress. Hence the black and white picture in the locket. She was obsessed with the past and I think Ruka's goal wasn't necessarily to get her away from Shiori but to help her move on from the past and to actually have options. She is in love with Shiori and she still is at the end of the show but their relationship is now portrayed in a healthier light, without jealousy as Shiori willingly accepts her as a superior (her fencing captain).
dragged out and repetitive is not a flaw
too dragged out and repetitive is a flaw
i wouldn't have used that word if i wasn't implying there was more than needed
also i would watch haruhi's endless eight 3 times over in a row before i would watch utena again
The only valid arguments for the constant repetition in your posts is the ritualistic touch and the focusing of attention (which I didn't experience that way, but whatever) and of course the budget cutting. As far as I see it elevators and stairs represent the transition between something like your usual state of mind in every day life and your "deeper" or more aloof desires (Utena transforming into a prince, student council getting power, people exploring their desires in Mikages elevator). However that alone is no reason to repeat the same scene, if that repetion does not hold a meaning in itself.
I already told you that it's a subversion of the mahou shoujo transformation sequence. Whether you like it or not, stock footage was a common element of shoujo, especially in the 90s. While I can see why people who are accustomed to more modern approaches to storytelling in anime would dislike it, it is not inherently a flaw.
i think i would be more pissed off than anything if i waited a week for an episode that would be 10% or more the same as the last one i watched. but then again i never watch a series until its all out (or at least season by season)
Except it's not dragged out at all, it chooses to gradually explore its characters (unlike certain anime that depend on plot twists and cliffhangers), providing parallels in relationships and different angles at looking at adulthood. The repetition is not a flaw, it enforces the ritualistic aspect of the show and is a means of playing with the conventions that surround mahou shoujo. This is especially apparent when the the show breaks the formula. It is even thematically important with regards to Anthy's character, if you would realize that she has lived through this hundreds of times more than the viewer has.
>unlike certain anime that depend on plot twists and cliffhangers
>in a series that originally aired in non-chronological order
nice one, anon.
Give me ANY reason not to skip Nanami episodes.
Nagato says in the novel it has been 15498 times, how do you get to 15532?
One that balances better between fast and slow paced episodes and gives you hints to speculate about the plot.
>can someone stick to childish ideals in order to defeat an opponent who embodies adulthood? And can a girl made of frills and pink hair and flower symbolism break free of the expectation of becoming a princess, and instead take on the role of a prince?
Aren't both of these descriptions about Utena?
Unhealthy stalker, believes that the real way to be man is to put women in trouble and then save them.
Selfishly projects his desires onto Anthy, fantasizes about having control over her.
A 'Nice Guy'
>watch haruhi's endless eight
the anime, which is what i was talking about.
the second episode of EE Nagato says 15498 but each of the 6 after that the number goes up to a total of 15532.
No, guys want to WEAR underwear, not see them
Can anyone say no to this motherfucker?
Good taste. Anthy and Nanami are by far the most interesting grills I've seen in anime.
Anthy forcing Nanami to grow up by showing her the dark side of incest was among one of the best scenes in the anime.
It spent too much time giving focus to characters that are irrelevant, in the end. The same themes and topics could have been covered with a smaller core of characters in a shorter amount of time, so to me it felt dragged out.
I think one of my favorite parts about Utena is how it shocks you with the incestuous relationship, then you realize that it isn't one sided and that Anthy is a lot more manipulative than she appears.
> she's the SJW of that school
>frees all surpressed women and brings feminism
>evil rapist men
> I guess there will be plenty of chicks falling for her
>she'll get her beautiful beta prince who will do the household
>her prince will be a girl
>And lots roses
1/7, not bad.
I don't think they're irrelevant if they go on to show different aspects of the main theme, like Utena's cast does. Sure, it could have been shorter, but I'd rather it take the longer approach that allows for greater thematic development.
I think the number of characters was perfect. Every character was seriously twisted that it would be harder to take if you had to compile some of them. Though I guess that depends on how much value you place on all the angles the show took on its themes
do know who this is?
because that is basically who nanami is
>I can already see the whole fucking plot.
No. I really don't think you can.
Just curious, how many here prefer 1 cour vs 2 cour vs 3 or more?
Utena is totally predictable.
Depends on the show.
The issue was mostly that he was a passive person who didn't dare to act and was just waiting for things to happen. He wouldn't be able to try going for a revolution so Mikage had no use for him. Being a Black Rose duelist is not about being a bad person at heart, anyways, look at Wakaba.
I think he was nice to him and told him he was a good person so he would leave.
Did Utena turning into a car symbolize the loss of her virginity?
Technically its possible to predict and summarize Utena plot since the moment council pronounces the ambition to Break the World Egg Shell
That said, from watching multitude Utena threads, i am aware that majority of fans actually have no clue what Utena was about even though the basic story is quite simple, the depth lies elsewhere.
Its Matrix. Utena is Neo.
It depends. Normally 1 cour is too short to really achieve anything, and 4 cours is generally a bit too much. 2 cours is a good sweet spot, I think. There are rarely 2 cours anime that could do with a cour more; if anything, they usually require some restructuring to remove lower quality content.
I thought she was using him as an emotional outlet if nothing else.
I would also think that most people, on first watching Utena, would think that Akio is the one in charge of that relationship, not Anthy.
Not that anon, but all the slapping in the beginning really put me off from the show. I made a thread whining about it like a cunt, anons bitched at me to give it another chance, and I did.
Now it's my favorite of all time.
The "themes" and symbolism of Utena are entirely differen ttopic.
The story however is simple - at some point Utena has encounter with Akio and then at later point, gets trapped in encapsulated world where he is a demiurge, along with other people - living through his fantasy, of which she is part of, brough to his world to play role he though for her.
However part of the people realize they are trapped in the fantasy world, a dream so to say of one person - and want to break out of t, Anthy being a kei for that (her being Akios traumatic memory, since she died because of him in real world).
Thus the hijinks and plot leading to Utena escaping this world (differently in series and movie).
Aside from that Utena explored lots of characters and subplots - but this is the main story, pretty simple one at that and spelled out clearly and reinforced oer and over.
The main symbolic theme is not hidden either, its even in a name - Adolescence, maturing and entering real world.
Yeah. I actually thought the show was a huge waste of time after finishing all three seasons.
After thinking about it for the next several hours, it became one of my favorites.
Let us not forget the most important aspect of the show
EN TI ARU!
>The ending speaks volumes, really. Akio's reaction to Anthy leaving him says it all.
Yeah, but that doesn't mean that Anthy knew she had more power in the relationship until the very end. Relationship dynamics are more mental than anything else. For the longest time, Anthy thought she had less power in the relationship, so she did.
Even the slapping has a purpose in both channeling through shoujo tropes and representing Anthy being victim blamed for everything. It brings forth her having the center role in the series and is again an irony in how Wakaba is jealous of Anthy and the others for being so 'special' while the show actively portrays the negatives to such a position.
Except Anthy didn't hold most of the power in her relationship with Akio at all.
Sure he can't do anything without her but as long as she thought she couldn't escape her fate and that he would be the only one to love her "as a witch", he was the one in control and could make her do what he wanted in order to get his powers back.
Hold on, Akio once asks Anthy why she tortures him. Her figure and facial expressions are completely different when she's with him alone and when she's not. When with Utena, she's very child like, seemingly innocent, clumsy, animal-loving and more. However when she's with Akio, her figure becomes more of a mature woman. She takes off her glasses as a sign of changing her outward persona. It's like a means of transition for her. Her eyes are haunting, her body is lifeless. She doesn't offer him any joy in sexual activity, he definitely does fear her. She does this intentionally, it's a constant reminder oh how dependent he is on her, even if she knows she couldn't leave the cycle so easily. It's passive aggressiveness at its finest.
Maybe you shouldn't take the words of a narcissist like Akio at face value. He asks why she must tortures him after he made her have sex with him and is constantly trying to blame her/rejects responsability : "It's not me that hates you, it's the world (I'm certainly not going to risk my ass to help you, maybe I will if we manage to get back my prince powers heh)"
It's true however that Anthy is very passive agressive, because it's a mostly safe way to get her negative feelings out.
(Also, note that the "why must you torture me" part happens in the episode of the Tale of the Rose and is partly there to make you think that Anthy might be the ~secret villain~ before we get to the true reveal of what happened)
>as they know Ikuhara actually has a message with all the nudity involved.
It's pretty simple. The invisible storm is lesbianism - it spreads and nobody can detect it without getting infected themselves. All bears are lesbians (except for the judgemens), and we can see that girls become bears after encountering them sexually.
that's pretty standard bullshit guys tend to say to girls they're obsessed with. it's just aggressive self-pity/whining from someone who's not getting the attention they want or for accurately reading the girl's disinterest. Akio recognizes that anthy is just playing a role for him. if you noticed that when she changes with akio, it's in a very sexualized manner but she looks pretty dead inside as she does it.
I'm a huge fan of Utena and I love YKA.
I love Penguindrum, too.
YKA's characters are pretty 1-dimensional as far as we've been shown. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, it was likely done intentionally to give more emphasis on the plot because of the 1-cour restriction, but because they are like that, it's hard to compare them with Utena characters.
I'm not hating it i'm just confused and don't know where is it going. But it is always like that in Ikuhara's shows. Utena at first was a story about tomboy girl saving the princess and Penguindrum was about saving sick imouto and crazy stalker girl.
Nah mate did all the symbolism of the show fly over your head or something? Its not particularly about feminism itself but it IS basically a commentary on how the world needs to evolve from its backwards, oppressive views of how society should function, both in regards to women [gender in general too] and love [Note how the series is full of homosexuality and incest] To bring the "world revolution" is literally a metaphor to bring about a revolution in society where more progressive ideas will be accepted and our traditional, moral puritan values about what is "moral" or the "way of the world" gets completely and totally deconstructed. Also the whole "end of the world" is also a metaphor for the old traditional world's era ending.
>TD;LR: It kinda is a show promoting turning the world into a SJW's utopia.
This is what it actually IS do u even symbolism??
I never said it was a particularly good message, but its pretty much a fact that that's the message the show was trying to get across.
>tfw Anthy's brother Akio represents conservatism, Utena is left-wing liberalism, Anthy being trapped in the coffin signifies being brainwashed and caged by old world values and beliefs.
It symbolizes her leaving the old, backwards oppressive world and entering a new world, a world where radical progressiveness prevails. She and Anthy enter it together, this time as a lesbian couple that are able to discover their true feelings for the other without being bogged down by the old world's expectation of heterosexuality.
Some people just have strange hobbies.
Saionji is certainly a strange one. At least his hobby is tame. He could have been dancing naked in the woods, smearing mud on himself, and howling at the moon in a poetic fashion.
Instead, he just cooks eggs.