Why does it take the combined effort of all of Shaft to be as weird as Ikuhara is by himself?
Actually Silver Link is mostly made up of ex-JC Staff members, people only associate them with SHAFT because Oonuma works there.
Are you implying that Ikuhara's natural personality isn't as attention-seeking as can be?
Because you clearly don't know him very well.
Ikuhara's weirdness could never make me smile, nor could it drive me into pangs of sadness or melancholy. His works feel utterly forced for me. Wait, no, he's not weird. He's a bit short on attention, like he's always spewing "look at this oh so sexual me, I'm so dazzling, am I right?" His works tend to declare itself as refreshingly sensuous, and then attempt to plaster such a claim on the audience's face, regardless whether the audience gets it or not.
Shinbo's works, on the other hand, feel like its evoking what it wants from the audience, not spoonfeeding the idea itself, because he knows the audience is already seeking for it. He's catering to the fanbase's wants, sometimes selling the imagery almost plainly, never in a roundabout Ikuhara way. Its easier to evoke smiles this way, but it comes off as rather short lived sometimes and not too memorable. However, its far more successful at drawing the smiles from the audience's face.
In short, Ikuhara is for the narcissists, and Shinbo is for the moefags
Shinbo is arguably the superior director and more successful. Shinbo works are watch by many. He gets his points across.
Ikuhara works don't go anywhere besides hardcore ikuharafags.
I really hate how Shaft's picked up the "lol so weird and 2deep4u" moniker. Its just Shinbo's art style ontop of him picking out works by people like Ume, Nisioisin, and Kumeta.
Shaft is basically just "are we in the black? great lets do whatever"
>Shinbo works are watch by many
This was pretty much never the case until Monogatari and Madoka and you can argue that Nisio and Urobuchi had more to do with the success of those two.
>Ikuhara's weirdness could never make me smile, nor could it drive me into pangs of sadness or melancholy.
Ikuhara is actually smart, though. Everything he puts in his stories has an eventual payoff. You see a lot of bizarre imagery in other series but his gift is that he always brings it full-circle.
Penguindrum is an excellent example of this, watching it a second time over you pick up so much that you missed the first time. It seems like every detail he includes is meticulously crafted.
SHAFT by comparison seems to have an aesthetic idea of how they want things to look, and they just move things in that general direction. It's more of a stylistic thing for them. Ikuhara's technique is to put everything on the table in a huge mess and then start showing you how it fits together.
I don't think I agree with that. You may attribute the odd inconsistencies in SZS or Monogatari or whatever as just SHAFT being weird, but a good amount of the time there's a reason for it and it fits together once you have the full picture. Shinbo is a master.
With that hair, he reminds me of Pagan Min...
I forgot to include the picture of the apple!?
A lot of the bizarre quirks in monogatari are solely SHAFT being SHAFT. and making adaptations as good as SZS and Monogatari takes real skill. Watching Monogatari is a lot like reading it, but it's not like the writing in the novels calls for odd cinematography and art design or bonkers close ups/animation/backgrounds that don't make any sense.
>SZS or Monogatari
No. Read the source materials.
SZS is exactly like that, after you read the manga, all the pieces come together, since there were shitloads of hints.
Monogatari is the same but in a different way, only thing Shinbo did was to masterfully adapt ate this things into a visual medium.
Monogatari novel was good, but, for example, the scene where Hitagi falls the stairs was pretty bland on the LN, but Shinbo made it look like an angel falling on a super high tower with spiral stairs.
Monogatari and Madoka just have his name attached to them. The real directors for those shows are Yukihiro Miyamoto (Madoka), Tatsuya Oishi (Bake), and Tomoyuki Itamura (post-Bake Monogatari). Shinbo hasn't been sole director himself since like 2008 or so, he just takes the credit of the work other people do, which is a real shame since I like Shinbo's directorial style much more than I do his apprentices'.
That's no apple, that's a battlestation!
that's too bad, I didn't know that. He did do SZS though right? If he did then it seems like even if he isn't technically the director of Monogatari and Madoka he had a big hand in making them what they are, there are just too many similarities for them to not have any influence from Shinbo, especially Madoka Rebellion and same of the later Monogatari arcs
I have read the source materials, I'm saying SHAFT did an excellent job of adapting these things. But the writing in Monogatari doesn't really call for a lot of the weird shit they do in that series, SZS totally does though.
Shinbo was sole director on both the first and second seasons of SZS.
And yes, he certainly did influence those shows, just as how he influences most of the people at SHAFT, but there are clear differences in their style of directing compared to Shinbo's other works. For one, people always attribute the constant presence of complex architecture to Shinbo, but when you examine the works where he worked alone as director, he very rarely uses the same kind of style. He is generally far more dynamic than his underlings, using a lot of really uneven and dramatic shots, as well as more styles than simply blank cards and cuts, such as real photographs, flat shading and silhouettes. I think those differences enough prove that he has significantly less to do with current shaft than he used to.
I totally agree, I also read the monogatari novels. What I was trying to say is that while the most shaft can do is being quirky with their visuals they never adapted something with a narrative style as weird as Ikuhara which really contributes to the weirdness of the show.Nisio writes great stories with great linguistic skills but it's pretty straightforward in storytelling compared to Ikuhara. I'd love to see shaft doing something with a plot as confusing as Yurikuma.
This has been very educational anon. I do tend to dislike that out of all the anime directors in all of the industry /a/ tends to use only a handful or two commonly, and Shinbo and SHAFT are definitely buzz words around here.
While that's true it think it has a lot more to do with the fact that Shinbo's stuff or things he's had a hand in are really easy to spot. SHAFT definitely does a lot of work, but even on /a/ it's mostly Monogatari, Madoka, Zetsubou and Nisekoi that get discussed, with things like Moon Phase mostly forgotten. Conversely, /a/ eats the shit out of Nichjou, Chuunibyou, Haruhi, and all of the key adaptation stuff (which I like too) yet you don't see Ishihara mentioned by name much at all, even though he has definitely had a lot of influence at Kyoani in their style as well.
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or Kaworu from NGE[/spoiler
>N4 Reading: One is able to read and understand passages on familiar daily topics written in basic vocabulary and kanji.
No, you don't read a novel with that level. Not even the simplest novels