>Moot retirement announcement
You now realize this is the beginning of the end. /a/ will be no more in 2 years from now. I guarantee it. Start finding a new place to go faggots.
You and all the other retards who came from there, sure
I'm learning German and moving to krautchan, they appreciate lolis if nothing else
>it now takes 1 minute to post anything
>Start finding a new place to go faggots.
Optimal choice would be a ghost board on archive.moe. I feel it would be the closest to the actual /a/ experience and having the archive close at hand would be neat. Second choice would be that doushio website, I haven't browsed much of it but it doesn't seem bad.
7chan and Desuchan would probably very wary of refugees, trying to preserve their own acquired board status quo, and I can' blame them for that. iichan is still alive as wakachan, so that's another option.
All I know is that I won't be touching the likes of reddit or eitchan. That's where the faggots responsible for 4chan's demise are.
/a/ has thought me you can just quote something somebody said and post a reaction image
>It takes several years
WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE FOREVER, NIGGER!
FIGHT FOR YOUR FUCKING /a/!
THIS IS OUR PROMISED LAND, OUR MADE BEDS!
I WILL LIE IN IT AND FIGHT FOR IT UNTIL THE FAGGOTS DIE OUT OR I'M SILENCED FOREVER!
WHERE THE FUCK IS YOUR FIGHTING SPIRIT ANON?! TAKE BACK YOUR BOARD!
But Japanese is such a different language than English. Here, you can add cuck to anything and make a shitpost such as "americuck." For Japanese you need to work out readings and slang that might not be in dictionaries.
How about this 2015, hey guys?
It sure started off to be a great year, right?
I mean, Origa just died and now 4chan gets sold to tumblr or facebook or whatever the shit.
What a way to go, man. Yeah sure, 2015 will definitely be better than 2014! Just look at how many sub-groups are still going strong these days as well!
I fucking love my life!
We need someone to setup a backup community that won't be shit.
Thing is, it has to be exactly like /a/, and can't cater too much to one crowd nor get too "muh frreeee speeechh" that it ends up like reddit or redditchan.
Basically, you need to setup another imageboard, only setup boards on it thats 4chan equivalents aren't complete shit as to keep out /v/ and /pol/, have an aggressive anti-pedophile policy, but at the same time tolerate lolicons and other drawn but offensive content that is harmless, but in a fashion that's just SFW enough to be on-topic, but that has moderation that "lets the rules slip" and lets just enough NSFW shit through at a time, that also bans for recommendations.
Face it. /a/ is hard to clone, and there are a lot of different kinds of us here that tolerate each other. I don't mind sharing a board with you lolicons, but I'll be damned if I'm going to support redditchan and its boards for actual pedos.
How to 4chan style shitpost on 2ch:
Talk about a Korean Conspiracy
Talk about how attractive Korean Girls are
Basically, how you would troll /v/ or /pol/ but with chinese xenophobes instead.
These other boards get it wrong though.
I'm not gonna replace /a/ with a board that's all loli. I don't come to /a/ for that. /a/ is a big community, and it won't be the same unless we all come, from you lolicons to us lovers of fat whores. Which means, you'd still need to be confined to sadpanda threads. I don't mind the occasional leaking into other threads, but I'm not gonna wade through 9 loli threads to talk about anime.
I'm just citing loli as an example. I just personally like the live posting style and wish we all could migrate to one.
That site has the most lax rules of the live ones, so I suggested it.
/a/ is its community.
Whoever set up the /a/ for redditchan tried hard to "import" some of the /a/ culture (spoilered porn allowed, 2D/3D distinction, no recommendations, etc.)
But it doesn't work because most of the people that go to /a/ aren't there. Same for the other alternatives. Sure /a/ has a lot of shitty new posters who use Facebook and Reddit that they probably don't have, but those boards are also missing the core users that make up "/a/."
4chan isn't about lax rules, we have much tighter rules than reddit or imgur.
4chan is about having tough rules, but not enforcing them properly.
This Meguca board isn't actually that bad, but seems dead, and r/a/dio has always been pretty cancerous.
moot agreed, don't bother him about it.
That's a crucial point, all 4chan clones need a circlejerk coming from another site to have a base to work with and they do, the problem is that with that circlejerk it can't be /a/ by definition
To be a substitute it needs to be really similar to /a/, where you're expected to not be new, and at the same time not have a culture on your own that divides it from /a/. Basically an "official" /a/ colony
It will never happen, you doofus.
/a/ is lazy as fuck. When was the last time you ever saw /a/ stand up for something and fight for it?
The last one I remember was back on Horizon's 1st Season that because of no fucking sub-groups, /a/ actually subbed the stupid show.
And this was what, 3 or 2 years ago or some shit.
anime discussion will always get bland if people do it for too long. Of course there will always be oldfags who refuse to leave, but people will constantly grow out of it, and there will always be more newfags. If the website changes due to Moot being kill, then so be it. /a/ certainly has changed before, I'm sure they can survive more changes.
/a/ needs to agree on a canary.
A phrase to paint in the sky when the shit hits the fans so we all know to go.
But the more the newfags learn about the culture, the more it gets preserved
If too many come all at once they subconsciously create a circlejerk where they become the majority and can laugh at people getting angry at them for being new
We're not all lazy. Some of us go outside!
I'm here because of 2009, and I'll never leave.
Someone will figure something out. We're probably fine for now though, 4chan will be here tomorrow.
Seriously though, the new admin is probably gonna be that sys-admin or developer.
Doesn't the developer go back to the Snacks days, have we EVER had any idea who codes this shit?
Redditors like you, assuming everyone else is like you, are the cancer of this board. Reddit will never capture the magic of /a/, the best we can do is go to other chans.
Go back to rebbit.
>being a casual
>admitting you're from lebbit
The slow decline of elitism, the rise of reddit retards, that's why /a/ is going downhill.
Well, that's because it's fluid and very casual, unlike a forum.
The fucking picture is coming together.
What happened 2 years ago? A massive influx of redditers, but unlike the Gaiafaggots, they never fit in. That's why we have Gamergate and /pol/. It's all redditers who "became" 4channers.
Fuck no, I'd rather go to that hachi chan or just run to red dit. Daiz may know his shit with encoding and broad aspects of fansubbing, but he's a terrible leader. Him running 4chan will be even worse than moot.
Daiz is basically on the same level as moot.
He once cared for the community he was a part of.
But then when the mula started to matter he sold out like a fucking jew.
We'll keep 4chan alive /a/non.
Fakku started militarizing and Daiz said it wouldn't take any action against the panda and kept backing its owner
Later DMCAs takedowns started.
The owner was also a massive faggot and samefagged as various different people to back himself up in the /a/ threads
this should be coveted by every anon now
FAKKU still has no involvement with the Wani takedowns. Wani started them and Wani is the one keeping them going, and even without the whole FAKKU Books deal Wani would have still kept going with them (and the start of the takedowns was what resulted in the publishing deal to begin with).
Not going to defend Jacob's samefagging though, that's just dumb and I've said as much to him directly. I believe the quality of the products should speak for themselves, and if you do want to talk about things related to them, you should be honest about your allegiances & biases (and attaching your name to your posts is the quickest way to go about that).
Don't you miss the old Daiz.
The Daiz that would stream typesetting iDOLM@STER episodes.
The Daiz that work the fansubbing community and not against it.
Yeah.. I sure do.
Holy shit, my hand is so fucking cold I even forgot to type down the "for".
But out of the top of my head, how about the fact that Jaka has dominated and almost successfully destroyed the fansubbing community without a single stroke of retaliation coming from you, UTW, etc.
Almost every group is dead and you just stood by and watched, but are probably not even going to bother with fansubbing anymore since you're too busy county your FAKKU scheckles.
This isn't even my home board, but I'll support whatever someone who posts a gif of a Russian loli drinking vodka believes
>4chan gets sold to tumblr or facebook
You're overreacting, we're just having new admins
Since the thread's already being hijacked.
How exactly could fansubbers "retaliate" against HS anyway? Pretty much the only way to stop CR rips would be stop CR itself, and that's not something a bunch of nerds in their Reimu boxers could just do.
>Almost every group is dead and you just stood by and watched
Again, what exactly could I do besides watch? If people don't want to work on fansubs, it's not like someone could just tell them that they must keep doing it.
>>120188541 is right on the money in saying that it's really the people who don't want to wait for fansub releases and are fine with HS who have "killed" fansubs. Not to mention that a lot of people fansubbed to "make anime available", whereas basically the only reason to do fansubs anymore is having higher quality than what legal options (and rips of said legal options) offer. And on that front, I've never stopped advocating for high quality options.
>but you are probably not even going to bother with fansubbing anymore since you're too busy county your FAKKU scheckles.
Admittedly, I am less interested in working on fansubbing now that I am able to work on providing high quality legal digital options with relatively free hands. But can you really blame me? High quality legal digital distribution has been something I've wanted to do for a long time. Fansubbing has simply been a way to fill that want in the form of high quality illegal digital distribution. And the reason legal trumps illegal is simple: access to higher quality sources.
Daiz, you do know people give you shit because you make it fun to do so by being so uptight all the time.
Take it easy.
>because you make it fun to do so
I wouldn't bother replying to a lot of things if I didn't have fun doing so, you know. On that note, it's also pretty funny that people just keep claiming that I'm being "uptight", "upset" or whatever when in reality I'm basically just always having a jolly good time posting.
If /a/ and/or 4chan dies I was thinking we would meet up on the archive first and foremost. No use trying to crown a successor until then.
Personally I kind of wanted to make an /a/chan (/a/ channel in full, it could have Yuuko as the mascot or something) tgat is literally an /a/ copypaste with the same rules and nothing else,but people would just call it a hugbox if it didn't support other boards and I'm not willing to carry other leftovers.
Alternatively there could just be an /a/ copy paste going on the archive until something was figured out.
Well, just saying that people probably get that impression when you keep writing out long justifications for your actions (and I guess Jacob's actions) on a Chinese cartoon board.
>And on that front, I've never stopped advocating for high quality options.
Yet you are doing nothing to motivate the people who, along side you, once strove to deliver those high quality options.
Where the fuck is UBW from UTW? This is a good example, as you were part of the group at one point, or still are, I don't know.
But I bet my ass that not even once you went up to Kusion or aers and asked them, "hey guys, maybe we should really release a episode or two sometime soon", and instead you just let them idle on episode 3 forever.
>Fansubbing has simply been a way to fill that want in the form of high quality illegal digital distribution.
Fansubbing was something done by the fans of the gender, not something to fill in in forms of high quality, you troglodyte.
I fucking waited over 1 week on Animesuki just to get that stupid 240p hardcoded [WinD] subbed Higurashi episode, because I knew those freaks loved that fucking show so much they would go out of their free time to deliver it, translated, to the people that also loved it as much.
It was never about the form of high quality until your Hi-10p shit hit the fan.
>And the reason legal trumps illegal is simple: access to higher quality sources.
I'll grant you this, getting a good source was always a problem, but people managed back then, and I'm sure some people who still have active contacts manage till this day.
But this should be no way a fucking excuse for you to say that your cause is just.
Making something legal - FOR MONEY, always kills the free market. And that was what fansubbing was, the free market.
That you want to get payed for something instead of doing it for free I won't question, but what I truly question here is the ethics behind your reasons.
The ethics that the fansubbing community once held and the ethics that people like you, who no longer care what the true reasons were when this entire scene started and only care now about how much money I can put into my pocket.
CRAWLING IN MY SKIIIN
THESE WOUNDS, THEY WILL NOT HEAAL
Filters. There is even a windows program that does it for you.
Catch-up soon (should be within the next 12 hours).
Was pretty busy last week visiting murrica, finally got home earlier today.
I post here for my own amusement, yes.
>So you don't get upset at all?
Pretty much. I've been on 4chan long enough to learn that getting upset at things on the internet in general is pretty silly, so I largely react with amusement to things like that instead.
Well, that really comes from the fact that I enjoy debating and explaining the logic behind my thoughts and actions. It's something I find enjoyable in itself.
>Fansubbing was something done by the fans of the gender, not something to fill in in forms of high quality, you troglodyte.
That's not how it works. Fansubbers have always had reasons to do what they do. For most of fansubbing's existence, this reason has been to simply make anime available, since legal options were rare or nonexistent. Another big motivation has been to provide anime in high quality. Nowadays, the former has basically no reason to exist anymore (since anime is very much available with all the legal options out there), so the only big motivator left is doing it for quality. And even that will require the subbers to desire higher quality than what the legal options offer. As such, it's only natural that there's less subbers today than in the past.
Running out of space in this post, I'll reply a bit more to you in another.
I'm at it, Japanese is so fucking awkward and full of synonyms that it's more complicated than it seems. The chipmunk voices and random slang of my erotic cartoons don't help much either
>Making something legal - FOR MONEY, always kills the free market. And that was what fansubbing was, the free market.
>thinks free market means things are free.
God damn you're an idiot. You have no idea what the free market is do you.
That's incorrect - I haven't been involved in Cinderella Girls so far because I was on a trip which made working on the two first eps inconvenient, but I should be getting back on board this week.
>Where the fuck is UBW from UTW?
Something like that is really on the shoulders of whoever is leading the project, and at UTW I've basically always been just an encoder and nothing more. As such, there isn't really anything I could do to make the projects I'm not involved in go faster, as it's simply out of my hands. At Underwater, things are different - as the group leader, I'm basically the project leader on everything, and that's where I can actually do things to ensure releases happen.
>because I knew those freaks loved that fucking show so much they would go out of their free time to deliver it, translated, to the people that also loved it as much.
Here's where you and I differ - I've personally never believed there to be anything magical about the fact that fansubs are fan-made. I'm a very pragmatic person who is interested in high quality anime releases, and I prefer fansubs because they are the ones doing just that most of the time. I also don't think this to be an optimal scenario - there will always be downsides to fan-made hobby projects that can be only dealt with by doing things legitimately with money, so ideally we'd get the high quality currently only offered by fansubbers legally instead.
I'm with you.This is still one of the boards still telling normals to fuck off, god speed /a/.
Have you been living under a rock or some shit?
Horriblesubs has completely annihilated 95% of the fansubbing groups that were active.
And no, Horriblesubs is not a fansub group.
But is CR actually a bad translation? If it's not, what's the issue? Fansub groups should spend time subbing things not on CR while CR handles pleb shows that are highly popular.
>I'll grant you this, getting a good source was always a problem, but people managed back then, and I'm sure some people who still have active contacts manage till this day.
Hobbyists working illegally will basically always be limited to mass-market consumer products as sources. They will always have those as a quality ceiling. Legal business is basically the only way to get access to sources better than that, so the quality ceiling is much higher. This is why I support the idea of high quality legal products.
>Making something legal - FOR MONEY, always kills the free market. And that was what fansubbing was, the free market.
As others have already pointed out, you're basically going full retard here. Free market does not mean "getting stuff for free".
>who no longer care what the true reasons were when this entire scene started
As I already said, this is a matter of what motivates people to fansub. What got the scene started was the motivation to make anime available in the first place. The desire for quality came later, and personally I've always been in it for that.
CR does get better sources than fansubbers.
The reason why fansubs still end up nicer to look at is because CR doesn't make the best of their sources. They don't do any filtering on them (because anime sources are generally flawed) and encode them with little care.
For a concrete example, take a look at these comparison:
That's Crunchyroll's 1080p vs Kazé's (a German simulcasting company) 1080p, encoded from the same high quality source. The Kazé version is an example of what you could get if companies like CR actually cared about the quality of their video.
>As I already said, this is a matter of what motivates people to fansub. What got the scene started was the motivation to make anime available in the first place. The desire for quality came later, and personally I've always been in it for that.
Alright, first of all, I guess I should thank you for responding to my comments. On this you're at least one of the few people inside the fansubbing community who takes it's time to drop by and answer shit.
I already see that we diverge in ideas, though the way you made it sound by adding the word "magical" a while ago really made me want to punch your face.
There was nothing magical about it, it was just how it was. The community was a lot smaller back then as well, and though that gave a different feeling to the purpose of why the fansubbers did what they did, overall the matter of the fact was, as you said, and I as well, to make anime available.
If you're a pragmatic person who's only interested in giving out the highest quality I couldn't care less, if that's your niche, then fine, go with it.
But I sure bet my ass that the main reason why people did fansubbing back then was not about the quality but just to make it so that a translated anime episode could reach the people that loved anime.
But my question is now related to he part I quoted. If you say it's a matter of what motivates people to fansub, then I'll ask, what stopped motivating them to do such?
And also, what stopped motivating you as well.
If your answer goes in something of the lines that, we don't need to bother because anime is already legally available then I'll have to say that you're full of bullshit.
Specially when it comes to the quality aspects you praise so much of, because watching a CR horriblesubs rip in 720p is almost as bad as watching a fucking XviD.
You did absolutely nothing to stop this and yet you still say that making it legal helped? Come on, it fucking killed everything.
So what I gather from this is that CR is the Animejunkies of subs only in a corporate form with bad video quality instead of bad subtitles and video-- and they are killing anime just like Animejunkies was killing anime in 2002 or whenever
>But my question is now related to he part I quoted. If you say it's a matter of what motivates people to fansub, then I'll ask, what stopped motivating them to do such?
Isn't that obvious? Pretty much everything gets simulcasted by legit streaming companies today. The legal options fulfill the goal of "making anime available" better than fansubbers ever could, and with the exception of latecasts there's no way to beat the legal options in speed either, so subbing for the sake "being out first" e-peen is pretty much out of the picture today as well. As such, it's only natural that basically just the quality people are left today to still do fansub releases for things.
>And also, what stopped motivating you as well.
I already talked about this - a big reason for me to do high quality digital distribution illegally in the form of fansubbing is that I couldn't do it legally - now that I'm able to do (even) high(er) quality digital distribution legally (and even get paid for it), it's simply much more attractive to work on (and sure, it's H-manga instead of anime, but I end up doing surprisingly similar things and both are something I enjoy anyway).
>there's no way to beat the legal options in speed either, so subbing for the sake "being out first" e-peen is pretty much out of the picture today as well.
Wow this is like I'm in a complete situation reversal from 2007 or whenever when the corporations were hand-wringing that they couldn't beat the fansubbers in speed
>The legal options fulfill the goal of "making anime available" better than fansubbers ever could
Except when it comes to image quality, typesetting quality and even translation quality.
You just admitted what I said. Making the distributions legal killed fansubbing.
If you still cared, you would have at least talked the the fansubbing community and striven to get at least a bunch of people still active who had the same goals as you did, quality in all aspects. But instead everything just died and you shifted your motivation towards something that fills your pockets.
You're basically a sellout, and this is how you are working against the fansubbing community instead of for it.
Yep, that was the big thing about simulcasting - legal options that actually beat the illegal ones in speed. Not only that, they could also do it with much better consistency since it's a business for them, not just a hobby. This is a very big reason why high quality legal options would be the ideal - you can only really guarantee speed and consistency like that legally.
That's bullshit. That kind of thing only works if it's an industry people can actually compete in, when it comes to media only one company is going to get the rights to translate and show the title and companies are always going to choose the option that gives them the best deal in terms of gain, always to the detriment of the customer.
It's the same exact shit that's already happened in the video game industry.
Lolicon is a far fucking cry from toddlercon, which itself is a far fucking cry from child pornography. You don't need to make that distinction, nobody who likes loli wants the kind of shit that those other sites bring in
>Except when it comes to image quality, typesetting quality and even translation quality.
Look, I've been talking about two different motivators to fansub - "making things available" and "having quality things". The fact that the latter is its own thing is because quality was never as big of a concern for the "making things available" people - in fact, back in the day some subbers even argued against the existence of things like DVDrips because they were "too high quality". According to them, fansubs should be "lower quality" so that it'll motivate people to support legal options.
And the fact is that the quality of legal options today is generally better than the shit you used to get with fansubs a decade or so back. For the "making things available" subbers, this level of quality is enough, and thus it fulfills their want for availability enough, and thus they don't really have a reason to fansub anymore.
>If you still cared, you would have at least talked the the fansubbing community and striven to get at least a bunch of people still active who had the same goals as you did, quality in all aspects.
I do still lead a fansub group where we do things, you know.
>you shifted your motivation towards something that fills your pockets.
Are you saying there's something wrong with making a living doing something that you've wanted to do for years?
Who cares about the fansubbing scene? CR and subsequently, HS for the jews provide more anime faster than any fansubbing group could. If fansubbers give a shit about actual translation and the projects they work on, they can easily work on projects that CR leaves out, or on ones they are working on but providing better translations if needed.
Nothing was a detriment to me whatsoever when CR got big, in fact, it was a bonus because I got more shows I liked faster, and could still download other group releases if needed. The pain of waiting weeks for one 20 minute episode, or the pain of watching a shitload of shows go down the drain never to be translated was horrible.
But that's crunchryroll, who offer their shit (at horrible quality) for free if you don't want to pay and have HS ripping directly from them and subsequent groups taking from them and changing the subtitles wherever they see fit. The Fakku issue is completely different because they will charge you 10x the normal price for the product in a small range and there are no alternatives to get it free anywhere else. I care more about the scanlation scene than I care about the fansubbing scene, many of the dead groups had shit torrents you couldn't even find anywhere or find a single person seeding even if that older anime DID get picked up by some of the groups.
It's just too fucking sad man.
This place was/is like heaven for me.
Do you think that you could go back to using forums again after all those years you have spent here? I can't, they are way too cancerous.
All the fun, all the rage, all the feelings that I felt browsing 4chan and moot was always a part of it.
4chan has this certain magic. Every year some of it fades away and with moot going, a large part of the remaining magic will die too.
Seeing the creator walking away is so fucking sad.
Goodbye moot, I can honestly say that this place is the only place where I can be myself
You're not really making sense. The only thing that's required for legal options to beat illegal ones in speed is to get the materials in advance and a permission to release right after the initial publication. You seem to be implying that exclusive licensing would be needed to make that happen, which is simply not true.
But speaking of exclusive licensing, I do completely agree with you that it's basically nothing but detrimental to consumers, as it results in competition being more about "who has what content" instead of "who has the best service". In that regard, I'd much prefer if all licensing was non-exclusive (and while we're dreaming, global as well).
>Making something legal - FOR MONEY, always kills the free market.
What the actual fuck are you talking about? The free in free market is part of freedom, not free as in it doesn't cost anything. You need some RMS in your life.
>I do still lead a fansub group where we do things, you know.
So you're saying Underwater is an active and actually alive fansubbing group that plans to continue fansubbing current shows and will still do so in the future?
Come on, it's not April fools yet. You didn't even picked up a single show this season.
>Are you saying there's something wrong with making a living doing something that you've wanted to do for years?
There's nothing wrong with that.
What's wrong is the principle behind the reasons on this that made you allegedly "lose the motivation" to stop caring about the fansubbing scene.
But you'll never admit this to be true.
On another note, I'd ask if you even had any plans to at least do a single typesetting stream like the old times, but the fact that you're not even working on CG just proves how much interested you are in this anymore.
>The Fakku issue is completely different because they will charge you 10x the normal price for the product
That's just not true.
>in a small range
That is... but only for now. The range of available content will obviously expand with time.
>and there are no alternatives to get it free anywhere else.
A vast exaggeration. One does not simply kill piracy with takedowns, though admittedly those can make things a bit more inconvenient. But the possibility of that inconvenience is something that you just have to accept when you're pirating shit.
>10x the normal price for the product
What are you smoking? Fakku digital releases are actually less than their japanese counterpart
I love when these events happen because you get retards like this who have never weathered a big event on /a/ before and think shit is going to get fucked up. You could practically go back on the archives half a decade ago and see people saying the exact same thing and freaking out the same way. I wonder where those kids are now?
>I stopped scanlating after 4chan blew it's shit about batoto enabling ads for scanlators. How can I be a part of the evil fakku empire?
I'm a scanlator that uploads to fakku, we don't have ads on our accounts along with quite a few secret perks. I get paid for the views on my uploads (づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ
the guy is exaggerating but you fucking morons cant seriously tell me that's a valid price for a fucking digital scan which was previously available completely for free?
and you're fucking idiots, you can get that exact same shit for $2-4 on many websites. of course it's in japanese, but if i'm going to be paying fucking $20 for one book I might as well learn japanese for free on a thread here and buy a stack of doujins myself.
fakku isn't comparable at all, the takedowns have made things shit, even with regular manga it can be hard to find things floating around with whatever is taken down or lost forever when sites die, Fakku does the same hypocritical shit Crunchy did by going from pirating shit to making you pay money for it, difference is, CR is reasonably priced, HS exists, and people are still free to translate and upload whatever fucking anime they want whenever they want with no issues, which is the exact opposite on all counts with Fakku. 10x is ridiculous and nobody could get away with it not even the fucking idiots at J-list but those prices are just pure bullshit, you and Jacob can go fuck yourselves
Underwater is definitely alive, but working in reduced capacity because other things in my life take more priority now (in comparison, about a year ago fansubbing was about the only thing I had going for me, which is why we did a LOT of stuff).
>What's wrong is the principle behind the reasons on this that made you allegedly "lose the motivation" to stop caring about the fansubbing scene.
Dude, it really is quite simple. I care about high quality digital distribution. Fansubbing used to be the only way for me to do things related to that. Now I have an actual job working on legitimate high quality digital distribution of H-manga, and because legal digital distribution has a higher quality ceiling than illegal digital distribution, I end up caring more about the legal work I can do over the illegal one (especially because I also get paid for the legal work, whereas the illegal work is a pure time & money sink).
>I'd ask if you even had any plans to at least do a single typesetting stream like the old times
The main reason I don't do that anymore is because I don't really typeset anymore - I haven't kept up with all the crazy shit typesetters do today, which has made me into a mediocre typesetter at best. And streaming the stuff I do otherwise wouldn't be very interesting.
But it never happened here yet, or rather, I haven't seen it for myself. I was on 2ch.ru when it went down and things were fun.
I mean, really fun. Like, thousand people in an irc channel kind of fun. This place is so much bigger and if it ever collapses things will be just exciting.
So what? Yeah, people are freaking out about it now but we have crossboarders from all manner of boards.
Just one day previous to this, nobody gave a shit about moot on /a/, hell, the guy has barely even been here or posted here for a long time. He hasn't been an active participant in years to /a/ and everybody here knows that, moot has distanced himself from /a/ and anime and that part of his life and by leaving 4chan he shows he's distancing himself from 4chan alltogether.
This doesn't impact anyone because he's likely known about this for a year or even longer and has been transitioning for this moment for a long time. Nobody new is taking over as the head admin in this situation, if 4chan gets sold and some new guys are brought in to change things or monetize the site, then you kids can go apeshit over the death of 4chan or /a/. /a/ has always been an insular community and will continue to be so, as big as it is for moot to walk away this isn't going to change anything drastically in regards to /a/ unless the stuff I mentioned before happens
Okay? That's cool dude.
>nobody gave a shit about moot on /a/
Every his post gets a wall of replies.
Maybe because he has a red name, so he speaks the truth, but I think it's because we care about him.
>for a fucking digital scan which was previously available completely for free?
You do know those works have always been commercial products, right? As in something that you are expected to pay for to legitimately enjoy. That's why legitimate digital versions of them also cost money, and that money goes toward supporting the creators so they'll keep doing stuff in the future as well.
That's exactly the way getting the material is going to go.
Anime companies aren't going to just hand of the source material to whoever asks for it, it doesn't even work that way in Japan itself. Instead it will be one company who offers the best deal who gets the rights to the title and anyone else who wants to legally do anything with it is fucked unless the contract specifically allows the source company to make further deals.
Yea in an ideal world multiple companies would be allowed to offer their own translations for a single show but we don't live in an ideal world, we live in the real one. Denying reality isn't going to make it go away.
I meant everybody recognized he hadn't interacted with /a/ for a long time and nobody talked about him. Not in the way they do on /b/ or /pol/. Him leaving may be sad for now, but the majority of /a/ and not just the replies he's getting from every other crossboarder here will go on after he's gone and nothing is going to change, and 4chan isn't going to fucking die. Anyone seriously thinking that is retarded.
>Yea in an ideal world multiple companies would be allowed to offer their own translations for a single show but we don't live in an ideal world, we live in the real one.
Haven't you watched anime anon? We must use THE POWER OF LOVE AND FRIENDSHIP! to turn the real world INTO THE WORLD OF OUR DREAMS!
I am very much aware of the unfortunate exclusive licensing reality we live in, that's why I said stuff like "while we are dreaming".
However, it does seem like more anime production companies are interested in licensing to multiple outlets today than before, so there is a slight glimmer of hope for things to get better.
I won't be holding my breath, though.
This argument has been done to death, same thing with anime, but no serious avenues existed and even had they from the beginning, the market in the US is small compared to Japan. Effectively, we are overpaying for a product available much cheaper if anyone wanted to go down that route so that the middleman can make a larger profit rather than the creators or the people who distribute their products. Crunchyroll is more legitimate because they offer a huge catalogue at a reasonable price for the amount of money they likely give back to the people who actually produce anime.
If such a small market exists it's probably better for those creators to have their works available for free in these small markets so they can get more attention, and then hopefully, a better avenue than fucking Fakku can pop up and service those consumers
But him leaving means he doesn't give a fuck anymore, if we keep bringing less money with passes and jlist clicks than he needs to play for cloudflare, why should he sponsor us?
>Komm Susser Todd playing in the background
I did not fucking need this.
I did NOT fucking need this.
Him leaving doesn't mean or imply anything. People were arguing he didn't give a fuck about /a/ long before this incident, in fact, more people than not were bitching about him with the recent mod debacle on /a/ and everyone then was whining about how /a/ is going to go to shit and that moot is a faggot.
People were saying the same thing years ago when he banned half of /a/ over the /jp/ thing, and he rarely interacted with /a/ except to can some mods. Like I said, it is sad he is going as I love /a/ and 4chan, but this board isn't going to change and 4chan is not going to die.
>If such a small market exists it's probably better for those creators to have their works available for free in these small markets
Sorry, but that just comes off incredibly entitled - it basically sounds like whining about not having an excuse to pirate everything for free anymore because actual easy, legit and high quality options exist and are available for you now.
Oh wait, no, I don't want a text bbs.
I won't be able to post my reaction pictures.
You keep picking off parts of my post rather than responding to the larger issues I have with how Fakku runs things which signals to me you acknowledge the multiple areas where Fakku fails in which it doesn't deserve the amount of money they are charging for their products.
Aggressive takedowns in overseas markets have occurred before and had the opposite effect of making people go to buy their products; it made people avoid them entirely. It's probably better for an artist to have their works for free in those smaller markets for people to enjoy them and support them directly, rather than have some parasitic company come up, make a living off of their product whilst seeing little in return off of the huge slice of pie you are charging your customers.
>doesn't deserve the amount of money they are charging for their products.
Now surely you understand that under our glorious capitalist system, a corporation "deserves" whatever idiots are willing to pay it, right? If you want to overturn this law, you must first overturn the yoke of the demonic bankers in Wall Street. So get to it.
>moeshit took over in 2007 causing millions to flee
>those that remained behind in the desolate wasteland learned to love and enjoy their captor through a mix of stockholm syndrome and deranged memetic love for 2D characters
>flash forward 8 years
>people now complaining that their favorite moeshit is in low quality VODs with awful translations from scamming hucksters looking to make a quick buck off their lust
Hey man, as long as those artists get a couple of cents for a snack from the gumball machine, what's it matter that some group makes huge profits from their product, before passing on the leftovers to the group they are already paying for licensing before said artist gets anything? At least its a couple cents more they had before, except in this situation a bunch of greedy jews get to make a living off of doing nothing. (In some cases, they are also hypocritical jews, like fakku)
We all know the low on the chain man like an animator will get screwed by the executives who make decisions about his work. Again, you must take these complaints to the government and tell them to restrain the demonic nature of capitalism, for this is what is at fault for ruining your hobby.
Force the companies to dissolve and make animators form collective guilds where they all democratically make decisions about what is best for their collective guild.
You really can't fault Fakku for being hypocritical in the system we live in. They saw an opportunity and they seized it, despite everything else. They can make a large profit from it for basically doing jack shit, this would happen with or without the artists consent in most cases.
Idealistically, you might see more if people got shit for free and decided to support artists directly. People buying anime BD's sink more cash into the industry than paying for a CR subscription (at least its cheap).
Capitalism is always going to shill you for products you want, and they less they can pay the creators, and the more they can charge you, the better. Corporations don't have any incentive NOT to do that because that's the way everybody else is doing things.
Doujin circles don't have the resources of collectives like guilds or corporations. They;re just normal people passionate about creating something. But it can't really have the production values of a TV anime
Y-yeah yeah, I know that anon. It's just a shame that better places don't exist for some products. At least instead of buying figurines and merchandise from J-list, you can order it from a million other websites; ordering directly from Japan often will still save you money despite the shipping costs (and you can pack a LOT of doujins in the smallest box they provide).
sadly retards still DO go to j-list despite multiple better options being available with better incentives and pricing
>ordering directly from Japan often will still save you money despite the shipping costs
Don't forget that many of them will often send you cute bonus goods and handwritten letters thanking you in broken english.
>you acknowledge the multiple areas where Fakku fails
Oh, there's definitely room for improvement in FAKKU's service, mostly in terms of discoverability and product demoing. As it is, we're basically relying on fame artists have gotten via illegal releases to sell stuff, which is not an optimal place to be - you should be able to discover and demo all this kind of stuff legitimately. These are things that we are actively working on, but it's going to take a while to get it all going.
However, when it comes to things FAKKU does already offer, I do think they are much worth the money. You're not going to find any other place where you'd get digital manga in such high quality, DRM-free, with unlimited downloads and unlimited online reading, and the quality of the physical versions is also pretty much unparalleled in English manga - and you get all the digital stuff for free when you buy physical to boot (this used to be limited to physical pre-orders but has now been extended to all physical orders, pre-order or not). And all of this is available very globally.
If you think something like this isn't worth supporting, then I doubt anything would satisfy you. In reality, though, you just obviously don't want to pay for anything, especially not porn. And really, that's fine as long as you're being honest about it - just don't pretend it would have anything to do with supporting artists, please.
You waited one week for higurashi subs and you feel fit to brag about that? And you're whining about slow releases? Ahaha, Ive waited months for good fan subs. Stop being such an ingrate...
I am being honest, though. I can support the artists much more directly by buying their actual works or supporting them in other ways rather than the drip-down profits you give them as you sieve the cash down after everyone takes a cut from it. I'd rather continue pirating shit and then giving more of my money to artists I enjoy than give a dime of my money to a hypocritical website that basically did the exact same shit everyone else did, except do a complete 180 when the time arrived that they could make money from it. It's the exact same reason people still prefer to torrent their anime and then simply buy the BD's, or why people used to go to Mangatraders and then buy the manga. There are plenty of people in the buyfag threads who do so, and their money is actually probably going in larger amounts to the artists and people who produce anime and manga rather than these slipshod websites that pop-up trying to make a buck off of the community it basically took a shit on when it went 'legal'
>Daiz posts high rez page from fakku which costs $15 to buy and view
lmao i bet they give you that shit for free you fucking sellout faggot i hope some white supremacist runs a tank over your eurotrash ass.
you'll find most people on /a/ in the buyfag threads do just that. crunchyroll has a manga section but it's horribly inadequate and priced. you see more people simply reading scanlators works, and then buying the manga from the jap websites.
actually, i've given money to bakkin and have every single YrYr volume (in Jap, of course) because it likely actually does get the money to the people who actually deserve it, but then again, it's hard to be ethical with your purchases in this type of world and whilst i don't support it, I understand why somebody would rather pay extra money to a site like Fakku rather than having to download a manga/anime and then buy the physical copy in Japanese. I don't understand it completely especially on /a/ because most of us should easily be able to do that, but whatever. I see why it happened the way it did. and I'm by no means an expert but these companies went legit because Japan had no interest in expanding their products to a western audience in a first place, it was only the piracy that got them to prick up their ears to the (some) profits that could be made here. hopefully in the future we will see better companies pop up you can give your money to for the products you enjoy but for now you can always just continue what you/i am doing
None of it matters in the end, since we're not the target audience of anime or manga. Despite how complicated fansubbing politics might get, the simple truth is that we are entitled to nothing, and if we want to change that, we have to make our voices heard. Otherwise, keep hoping that we can get shit for free.
>I'm learning German and moving to krautchan
>Not learning japanese and moving to 2chan
Nothing has changed faggots, at least not yet.
Just hope we get an admin/admins that knows what he's dealing with and starts getting things moderated properly. Otherwise we are all fucked.
We have industry gossip on /a/ all the time, have you ever lurked here before?
There are tons of posts ripped from 2ch or other sites, people regularly discuss the sales of recent anime and talk about different shows and production values and blah blah, discussions about anime insiders and big names in the industry and interviews with animators and other bullshit like that. You'd be hard-pressed not to find a thread or two in a day that devolve into that kind of shit if you lurk hard enough/spend enough time on /a/
Let's all be honest for a second here:
We all just want to watch anime and read manga in the best quality as possible for free. As long as there are torrents and pirating, the majority, of which I am a part of, will not pay for these.
It's way more convenient to just go and torrent because we can keep everything we download, we don't have to set up accounts and of course we don't have to pay for it.
Inversely when people come and want to make profit of this, they are considered jews. It's for the fact that other people do it for free and often with higher quality, in many areas (but not quantity), than them. You also don't know to what extend the original creators will profit from it.
All of us are hypocrites, let's just stop blaming each other and enjoy the media. People who want to pay for it, will pay for it. People who don't, won't pay for it.
Hey Daiz, if you're still around..
What exactly is it that you do over at fakku?
>"hey guys, it's me, fellow /a/non here, been an oldfag for... a long time lol. anyways fakku isn't that bad, us FELLOW pirates (yes me included I'm a pirate too :D) are going to get free shit for free, fuck the creators! And there is no thread on /a/ that is dedicated to buying merchandise directly FROM Japan and these artists, none at all. Our only options, speaking as a fellow pirate of course, is to either pay out our assholes for HIGH QUALITY (HQ) CONTENT, or pirate it for free and suck the life out of those artists! anyways, just wanted to throw my two cents in (or fifty dollars worth) as a fellow /a/non and pir/a/te. Believe me, there is NO other way to support artists you love. NO OTHER WAY!
Wait a second. I never said anything for or against either side. (ok maybe a little against paying for it)
I just wanted to say that all of us should stop being hypocrites and just enjoy anime and manga whether we pay for it or not.
My favorite thing about the Jacob samefagging thing was when he would post
>removing the credits page? thats low you fucking nigger!
And then with his trip he posted a little later "Hey guys, lets have some respect and be nice here!". Even better when he pretended to buy from his own website and pretended to be multiple anons, hypocritically claiming that "you are the reason panda is kill" despite shitting up threads with his samefagging and advertising.
I mean just the irony of him saying "you are the reason panda is kill" was enough to make me laugh for an hour straight. What a fucking moron. I can't believe this retard conducted himself in such a manner and then demanded respect from the same userbase he is trying to shill for money and attention.
I work on the new online reader and on the digital distribution side of things in general (both planning and implementation, eg. I encode all the digital versions of the books).
I certainly wouldn't mind fixing up CR's quality issues, but that would require them to actually care about quality first. And of course, I'd have to actually get hired by CR, move to San Francisco and get into a position where I could actually do something about the matter, and that's not something that can be done by simply snapping your fingers.
>It's for the fact that other people do it for free and often with higher quality, in many areas (but not quantity), than them.
Funnily enough right now the situation is pretty much the opposite with FAKKU - the illegal alternatives have higher output, but FAKKU hands-down beats them in the quality department. For example, here's what the scanlations look like for >>120194566 (not to mention that it's censored while the FAKKU version is uncensored). Of course, over time FAKKU's output should get bigger while the quality will remain the same (at the very least).
>every board's thinking it's gonna get axed
Nah seriously Good for Moot. He's finally getting off the wild ride. Maybe 4chan will die, maybe it will change into something horrible and mainstream, maybe we'll sail off into that 2d sunset. Either way guys, it's been a hell of a ride. I look forward to seeing you all in hell.
Jacob is the guy who owns Fakku. He decided he wasn't making enough dollars off of ad-revenue and running the site so he decided he was going to start charging money to people for the translations. He then went to Wani, which is one of the largest publishers of hentai, and asked for a contract. He got it. He then went and issued cease and desist orders to multiple websites including sad panda in order to force them to pull hentai content he planned on releasing himself for money. However, this would obviously cause a problem because how his own site Fakku got popular was hosting pirated works of hentai, often from that same Wani publisher. So he instead lied out his teeth and said he had nothing to do with it at all. He was, however, caught in the act as emails came out that showed he was the one forcing the C&Ds, and so the whole house of cards started to crumble down. Then eventually he does release his "works" and charges 10x the amount that a Japanese person would have to pay for them.
I don't hate him for trying to legitimize hentai, I hate him for being a massive hypocrite and a lying sack of shit. Also, I'm sure he hasn't actually payed anyone to retranslate the stuff he's releasing which means he's making massive profits off of it.
1. Wani sent a bunch of DMCAs, C&Ds or whatever you call them to a bunch of sites to take down porn scanlation sites
2. Fakku got hit too, decided to negotiate, offers to be the official releases of h-manga in english
3. Posted on /a/ about it, get's shit on by /a/. Also, he sucks in explaining stuffs.
Doesn't help that he shills and samefags on /a/ like hell, gets shit on by /a/ even more.
4. Daiz came (because of course, he fucking had to stick his bald head into everything), talked to jacob, to get a better grasp of the situation.
5. Daiz came to /a/ to explain and clear up confusion jacob left.
6. More bitching, arguing and proper discussions on /a/ about how good/bad is fakku going legit going to be.
8. Daiz is now working for fakku; something about improving the quality of their releases.
Well, that's the main details. I don't think I've missed much.
He does charge around 10x the amount the average Japanese person does, but not the average amount we would pay.
Don't get me wrong, it's still more than it fucking should be, and Japanese people can get it for pennies on the dollar of course.
Don't forget he was caught samefagging multiple times, bringing up Fakku in many threads and advertising like a bitch here. Of course, Daiz and Jacob will dispute every little detail of your post because they are hoping that there are newfags who are too fucking stupid to realize the history of these things (and they are right, look at J-list for an easy example), but it's basically the situation as we know it.
>people think shit will change for the worse because beloved moot left
but the things are bad and have been going progressively worse under his administration
if anything we might get something good this time round
No need, you can use the archives for that. We don't need more fucking shilling and bullshit explanations from anyone. There are links in this very thread for your enjoyment.
>they will still respond to this post with a huge paragraph that is just a stealth advertisement for fuckku
Hey guys, it's me, fellow /a/non and pirate here. I am a contemporary youth on this wonderful imageboard of /a/ and would like to ask extremely specific questions about Fakku™ that are in no way meant to prompt any sort of shilling or advertising in ITT. May I remind you both that
>It's not advertising if it's simply responding to a question asked™
Well, I really don't like the kind of entitled little shits who believe they should get everything ever for free. Especially so if they pretend to have some "moral justification" for being like that (like "buying this legitimate product wouldn't actually support the artist so I'll pirate it instead which somehow actually does support the artist hurr durr"). At the very least you should be honest about what you do, and if that means not wanting to pay for shit, then have the spine to admit as much.
Look what you've done, you've summoned the bald headed jacob dick sucking cancer.
>At the very least you should be honest about what you do, and if that means not wanting to pay for shit, then have the spine to admit as much.
Can't believe I'm actually hearing this from someone who works for Jacob and fucking Fakku. You literally have no moral authority or justification to even accuse others of that, you stupid faggot
The problem is that everything they spew out is such contrived bullshit that no one believes it. And in most cases, the timelines don't match up.
For example, this post >>120195774 claims Fakku didn't start working on getting the rights to the hentai until AFTER the DMCA, but that's false because the whole Fakku books thing was in the works for months if not an entire year before the DMCA. And, in fact, Fakku announced the books almost immediately after the DMCAs came out, which is utterly impossible in copyright law as there's reams and reams of paperwork you have to fill out to even consider such a thing.
And, again, there were the emails.
And I really don't like the entitled little faggots who expect me to pay money for something when I can get a better value from some guys who do it for free.
You can look at >>120195774 for starters, it's a reasonably accurate description of what went down. Wani went on a warpath against piracy, FAKKU got hit among others, FAKKU decided to ask if they could work together instead, that ended up turning into a publishing deal, and Wani kept continuing their war on piracy.
Why do you morons even bother responding? You aren't going to change the way they respond to you, they know people are too stupid to look shit up themselves or use the archives, and they will use your posts to act as fakku apologists and advertise and shill even harder, the only thing you should respond with is fuck off until they leave and stop starting shit here day after day after day
No, you only started hearing about the DMCAs then. That shit has been happening far longer than you think. It's just been kept relatively more quiet. The Fakku crap was what really made the whole thing known everywhere.
You can accuse jacob of many shit (and I probably would agree with you), but in this case, Wani struck first. Jacob just decided to 'sell out'. Join them if you can't beat them, if you will.
>but that's false because the whole Fakku books thing was in the works for months if not an entire year before the DMCA.
Where the hell did you get this idea from? The takedowns started in April last year (picture related), and that's what sparked the conversation between FAKKU and Wani. This lead to a couple months of negotiating, and then the deal was announced in June.
>And, in fact, Fakku announced the books almost immediately after the DMCAs came out
Wrong, the deal was announced a couple months after the takedowns started.
>which is utterly impossible in copyright law as there's reams and reams of paperwork you have to fill out to even consider such a thing.
Wrong again, DMCA takedowns are ridiculously easy to send out to the point where there's companies that specialize in sending automatic DMCA takedowns. So in fact it's really the opposite - sending out takedown notices is ridiculously easy (and that is pretty bullshit, to be honest - the DMCA system is ridiculously abused by copyright entities worldwide).
>And, again, there were the emails.
What e-mails? You mean like the one that Jacob sent to E-Hentai asking to add FAKKU Books (as in actual FAKKU releases, nothing else) to the Do Not Post list? That's a pretty far cry from sending full-blown takedown notices for all Wani works.
Hey, I don't pretend like me fansubbing would somehow benefit the creators - it's simply about me wanting to watch anime in high quality, and legal options don't give the kind of quality I want. If they did, I'd definitely support them.
Though I most likely wouldn't be up for buying everything individually, I'd only want to do that for shit I actually end up liking. For everything else, I'd prefer a catalog rental model (a subscription service like Netflix). That's something that FAKKU is currently missing, but hopefully that should change given some time.
Do you really have to argue about this on a threat about moot's departure? Now, of ALL TIMES?
I don't even care about whether you're "right" or not, but goddamn it, Daiz, fuck off.
>and legal options don't give the kind of quality I want. If they did, I'd definitely support them.
When did you started supporting the legal scene so much?
You fucking did illegal work for a ton of years. What the fuck happened to make you switch sides so suddenly?
Was it the mula? Yeah, I bet it was a mula.
Even fucking moot sold 4chins out.
>When did you started supporting the legal scene so much?
How about you read the thread? I've talked about this particular thing quite a lot already.
But to repeat, legal digital distribution has a higher quality ceiling than illegal digital distribution, and there are other things that can only be realistically achieved via legal means (like really fast release speed and consistency). If people doing things legally cared about high quality, they could easily wipe the floor with illegal alternatives. But sadly many companies don't give a shit, and as a result the illegal options end up being better.
And the main reason why I've done things illegally for years is simply because it was the only way I could work on digital distribution at all. Getting to do high quality digital distribution legally has been a dream of mine for years, and now that has actually turned into reality.
Daiz, I want to support you, I really do, because I actually agree with you. BUT. Here's the BUT did it really have to be Fakku? Honestly, if you moved away to join CR, I would have actually rejoiced.
If trips you get the fuck out of here you bald cuckold jew
and you tell us your secret on how to get such a smooth head
If the good groups don't die I feel like this is forced bad group/good grouping. Like what used to happen where a shit speed sub would come out (CR) and then you'd wait for a real sub (Anime-Keep or some shit).
The good groups are dead aren't they?
>did it really have to be Fakku?
Well, FAKKU was the only site to step up and see if something could be worked out with Japan to make the best out of a terrible situation, and as a result got an incredible licensing deal out of it. I wanted to get involved to make sure the potential of that amazing deal wouldn't go to waste, and so far I've been quite satisfied with what we've managed to do and what's in the works for the future.
And really, is there really any reason to hate FAKKU besides the takedown conspiracy theories? I mean sure, it was pretty damn irrelevant before due to the existence of sadpanda, but with the legit stuff it can actually provide something that no pure piracy site can. Kinda like how CR was completely irrelevant until they went legit and actually started doing something of value (providing fast decent quality translations).
Because Jacob is a faggot. The guy's worse at what he's doing than the ponyfucker at sad panda. Like hell I'll willingly choose to work alongside someone like him. And no, I don't mean the recent wani crap.
>inb4 Daiz makes a huge stealth advertising post shilling for Fakku about why he didn't/couldn't go to CR and all the 'great reasons' he went to Fakku with a new image of some overpriced doujin they're selling now
I would if I could, really. In my ideal world you could actually buy anime digitally and get DRM-free downloads in 10-bit (and other formats for the sake of compatibility) alongside with catalog rental models that currently exist (which would also be higher quality than what we're currently getting).
Daiz, I've been here too long to shitpost about chinese porn drawings with you, what you choose to do it's your own business so let me ask you one thing and please don't try to change the subject.
Now that Moot is gone who's in charge of managing
eh4chinks? Will you oldfags choose another person or will you all work together without one of you being the "face" of 4chan?
I just have this one question.