>>120603060 Hate of a particular work/author is a function of exposure, consensus quality and experienced quality.
Gen has massive exposure and consensus quality thanks to madoka, fate/zero, and psycho-pass. Hate is generated because experienced quality varies from person to person, and so if a person has a poor experienced quality of works with high (perceived) consensus quality, that dissonance is magnified by the exposure of the works, which generates backlash.
>>120603060 He uses always the same bag of tricks, his themes are hated by the neo-otakus that shun everything isn't an eulogy to mediocrity and he's ugly as shit. I mean, he's really a fucking monster.
>>120603060 I don't mind what he's trying to do (old sensibilities into new anime i.e. some badassery with your moe), and like from what they said in Jirobako or whatever, he's gotten some good hits in and people will try to copy that. To be honest, that was probably going to happen anyway. I don't like everything that he's involved in - it seems like his best so far is in Fate/Zero, Madoka, and Psycho Pass. Gargantia and Aldnoah Zero are all right, and I tried watching an episode of Blassreiter but the CGI in that was so bad I couldn't finish the first episode. I don't know if he's an asshole in real life or whatever, but I've certainly enjoyed a lot of anime he has had involvement in.
>>120604930 >Fate/Zero Mediocre fanfiction >Madoka Great if you like mahou shoujo, mediocre otherwie >Psycho Pass Mediocre sci-fi that barely qualifies as cyberpunk or dystopian >Gargantia Shit >A/Z He only wrote the first three episodes
>>120605053 You say it's "mediocre," but what about it is so? Does he mess up the characters, are there plot holes, is the dialogue stale, is it not what you wanted? Just explain what makes Fate/Zero so mediocre to me.
>>120605785 Anon, I felt the same as you after watching F/Z, but then I actually read the FSN VN and it really is good.
It isn't typical shonenshit if you put just a little bit of thought into it, and some of the most important themes -- like the futility of Kiritsugu's superhero morality -- are taken straight from FSN.
The only two problems I have with Nasu's writing are that he repeats information to the point of unintentional parody, and that he can't write sex.
>>120605990 >FSN girls were better Yeah, if you're an escapist pedophile. F/Z females are a perfect representation of females in real life. They're either evil cunts, broken used goods or good waifus(though you'll probably never meet the last ones).
>>120606616 >Nothing is more typical of a shounen shit than the power of the characters fluctuating like the value of a cryptocurrency depending on how the author feels like at the moment. So Evangelion is shonenshit?
What makes shonenshit shonenshit is that it has no ambitions, and contents itself just telling a story about powerlevels and friendship. FSN is not shonenshit, because it takes its shoneny setup and uses it to tell a much more thoughtful story.
FSN isn't about servants and maguses(magi?) fighting. It's about the characters.
>>120606677 Homura is a selfish, deranged lesbian Madoka is a doormat for Homura's selfishness Mami only existed to be killed off in a le shock value way Sayaka went completely mind broken and became a murderer
>>120606688 >And if you want to see her writing, you'd better off watching her original instead of adaptations. Did you watch EVOL. How is that creative apart from nice setting? Storywise EVOL is much worse than the original Aquarion.
>>120606967 Unintentional emotional manipulation is still manipulation. He was trying to strongarm his waifu into loving him by "rescuing" her.
>>120606991 Yes, his characters have flaws. You've cracked the case, anon.
>Fuminori is a psychotic murderer who either gets murdered, locked away in a padded cell, or turned into a meat tree >Koji gets murdered in one ending, driven insane in another >Kiritsugu fails everything and gets mindbroken >Kariya wormed and mindbroken >Kougami is a criminal who disregards the law to satisfy his thirst for revenge Also, that's a lot of K's.
"Urobuchi is sexist" is one of the dumbest ideas I see get thrown around on the internet.
>>120607330 >Unintentional emotional manipulation is still manipulation. It cannot be even called manipulation if he interacted only two times with Aoi in the anime, at the very beginning he told her he'll save Sakura, the other time he was duped by Kirei and just stood there staring at Aoi's outburst.
>>120607090 >Nasu doesn't even try. He absolutely does, and there's an endless archive of 500 post threads filled with people explaining it every day. You just don't like the explanations.
And it's never explained in Evanlgeion why the Evas dramatically grow and shrink from episode to episode.
>Yeah that's its only redeeming quality, because the plot is mediocre at best. It's hardly damning to call a story's most important and detailed aspect its only redeeming quality. Especially when that aspect is characters, which are a lot harder to write than plot.
>>120607470 >Madoka girls are only written well because he's forced to with no male protagonists. So you define a writer as sexist because they don't split the sex ratio of characters into 50/50 ? That's dumb.
>You forgot to add that Kariya is a delusional pedophile >There's also Madoka's father, who apparently stays at home while his wife is the one going to work >Ryuunosuke, who loves playing with living humans as much as corpses >Caster, who loves playing with human beings and corpses as much as Ryuunosuke >A bunch of Assassins whose speciality is to get killed without having done anything flashy >Among them, an Assassin who shows off just to end up receiving a sword in the face >Kayneth, an arrogant guy who is scorned by his fiancée, becomes handicapped, gets shot at, loses his servant, loses his fiancée, agonizes, then gets his head cut off
>>120607437 >It's as if I complained that Lovecraft was racist, who gives a fuck? I judge a writer for how he writes not for his ideologies. But when their ideologies interfere with their writing, making them bland, boring, and poorly represented, it's a problem. >>120607580 It's not about just Madoka though. It's about all his series. Did you watch Kamen Rider Gaim? The two most important girls in the series are basically just support to men. One becomes a literal McGuffin Prize meant to be Eve to the winner's Adam and the other is a lackey who admits to wanting nothing more than to serve a strong man and is killed off without a tear shed for her.
>>120607955 >a lackey who admits to wanting nothing more than to serve a strong man and is killed off without a tear shed for her. This contradicts your point. It would be sexist if she survived or was glorified. It's saying that someone whose only dream in life is to serve a strong man doesn't even deserve respect in death.
People don't realize that Kariya gave little fucks about Rin and Sakura. He just wanted that sweet Aoi pussy. He was only using them as a means to that end. No love at all. That's what makes him truly pathatic.
>>120607998 Try the 1980s Ghost in the Shell. It's one of the most normalfaggot things you could possibly watch, but there's a reason it is so highly spoken of. Make sure you don't watch the 2.0 version. Watch it subbed or dubbed, but not the 2.0 version.
>>120608264 His dying thoughts were of stealing his brother's family and especially his wife. Kariya was pathatic,foolish and overall a scumbag. He ran away from the Matou because fuck that worm shit yet he has the gall to still want to be involved in magus business, he still has the gall to even go to the Tohsoka house to hang out with the family, and he still has the gall to call them out on things that are non of his business. Aoi pegged him right, he didn't love anyone but himself. He know the rules and life styles of magus families and spat on all of them. It's like an amish person coming back home and trying to push modern society rules on the people living there. Long story short. Kaiyra should of grown the fuck up instead of behaving like some entitled brat.
>>120608638 Yes, it's because of him that Sakura got raped. If he hadn't run away from his duty, Sakura wouldn't have entered the Matou family in the first place. Besides, that also means he is indirectly responsible for what happened in the HF route.
>>120608895 Kariya wasn't jealous of Tokiomi as much as he despised him for being a scumbag and an asshole towards his family. Tokiomi did tell Kariya that if he fails at obtaining the grail now, his goal will be passed onto his daughters, who would have to fight and kill each other.
>>120608701 >She's disposable because she chose to live a disposable life. Yes, she chose to be that way because she was WRITTEN THAT WAY. Fictional characters do not have the free will to choose to be awful and poorly misrepresent their sex in a god damn childrens show. They are written that way.
>You're disregarding Akane's entire character just because she has a feminine side and wants to avoid unnecessary deaths. So because she's feminine, she wants to avoid death? What did Akane do exactly that was so badass? Keep in mind I didn't go past season 1 because if you can't make a decent female character in 26 episodes, fuck that.
Urobuchi's comment After he ran away from the Matou, he had no choice but to earn a meager living by working as a freelance report writer, or at least that's my headcanon. [Gen Urobuchi]
Comment for Kariya Takeuchi: Because I only thought of this design as the first volume began publication, major changes were made. You'll see the initial design in the following pages. It was good in terms of the result. I'm fairly pleased with it. Urobuchi: Looking back on it, the design that called for him to wear the hood of his parka low over his eyes wrecks this jut a little bit. We should have shown this amazing face straight on more. Takeuchi: I am not drawing his face from before the Crest Worms twisted it, but I think it is a face without much individuality. From my point of view, the normality that you can see both in his regular and twisted face is Kariya Matou's nature. Urobuchi: As for that, he seems to have a face like the protagonist of those early games that went "Please enter your name."
Takeuchi's comment Kariya's early design. It was a design concept that made him give off a villainous first impression. [Takeuchi] Frozen in a pained expression. Should his teeth be bared?
>>120608444 >other one's entire character was being a lesbian. There was one more girl and she was bi. Plus you can count Kasei as a women since she appears as one to the public. I hope you haven't forgotten the highschool killer. Which brings us again to the 50/50 ratio.
>Psycho Pass, where the main girl is an incompetent ninny who most of the time just watches God forbid the MC being unable to think and act on their own! Especially if the MC is female! If you actually paid attention to the show you'd see that Akane was made a sheep on purpose. It's like you missed the entire point of the show.
Fate/Zero material - Encyclopedia: Matou Kariya [Person's name], p.103-104
The little brother of Matou Shinji's father, Byakuya. The gutsiest, most rebellious person in the history of the Matou family – against that monstrous old man, just standing up to him and running away was a heroic act of valor. Of course, from Zouken's point of view, no matter how much better Kariya's magic circuits were than his older brother's, they weren't worth the effort it would take to break his will and train him into a proper family head. In fact, at that point he had probably already decided that he had no choice but to bet everything on Byakuya conceiving an heir that would turn everything around. Unfortunately, in the end his longshot gamble backfired spectacularly, and instead of a miracle that would save his lineage, he got Shinji.
By the way, even Kariya's childhood friendship with Aoi was set up by Zouken, who had become aware of the Zenjou family's excellent hereditary trait long before the Tohsaka. However, due to Kariya turning his back on sorcery and getting cockblocked by Tokiomi, the old man's plans once more came to nothing. …Well, Kariya bringing his beloved Aoi back to some horrid worm pit was never going to happen in the first place. Maybe if the Matou sorcery was a little more normal, he would have been willing to obediently accept his inheritance and become Tokiomi's rival for Aoi's affections.
>>120609048 >Yes, she chose to be that way because she was WRITTEN THAT WAY. Fictional characters do not have the free will to choose to be awful and poorly misrepresent their sex in a god damn childrens show. They are written that way. Now we're getting somewhere. She was WRITTEN THAT WAY to make a statement. And that statement is that people who have their entire life open to them but throw it all away to become some man's servant are garbage. Sayaka is a much lighter play on the same theme.
This isn't even complicated.
Akane >could have had the easy life with her remarkable test scores, but instead chose to become an Inspector >shoots the tire of a speeding truck while hanging off the back of it >is the only one with a chance of bringing down or fixing the entire corrupt system that's unto a god >never takes the easy way out or gives up And this is just the tip of the iceberg.
>so because she's feminine, she wants to avoid death? Anon, I think you need to reread what I wrote. Several times, maybe.
>>120609036 >>120609036 His logical hate of Tokiomi was just a convenient way for him to express his jealousy while hiding it. It was made so that the readers would understand this. You have to read between the lines.
Fate/Zero material - Encyclopedia: Matou Zouken [Person's name], p.104 As far as the Matou family's sacrifices in the Fourth Holy Grail War go, for the small price of a ruined home defense barrier and a grievous injury to Byakuya's wrist, they were able to get their hands on fragments of the Holy Grail. Too cheap, too cheap! Grandfather is laughing.
Though Zouken allowed Kariya to participate in the Grail War, he mostly did it just to punish him – if Kariya had actually won, he probably wouldn't even know how to react.
Originally, Zouken had been content to turn a blind eye to Kariya's transgressions as long as he was living the wretched, fearful life of a runaway, but his extremely un-Matou-like willingness to heroically sacrifice himself bought him the old man's ire. Probably, it was the warped pride of a living, rotten corpse at work. Like, "When did my own flesh and blood get so damn impudent!?" or something to that effect.
By the way, Zouken thought that Kariya had died when all the crest worms were killed by Berserker's rampage. The reason that Kariya, finally free, was able to return to the Matou mansion and reach Sakura's side without any issues, was because Zouken had rushed off to the scene of the fire to see if he could find anything worth salvaging. In fact, they must have literally just missed each other. It seems Kariya has a talent for seizing odd strokes of good luck at the height of misfortune.
Zouken Matou [Person's name] A freaky old bug man. The end. The scenario director is quite fond of him, and would get carried away typing every time he appeared. He belongs in a romance novel, don't you think?
>>120603060 I liked his earlier stuff, but now he has a habit of writing a good scenario, then letting a bunch of retards ruin it because he doesn't follow through with the worrying and prefers to sell on brand name. Also CG is pure fucking cancer and his new movie can go fuck itself.
>>120611233 >thinking that every anon who doesn't share his opinion is the same anon >using the bait meme without knowing what a bait is >"me thinks" >taking everything like a personal insult and reacting like a butthurt teenager
You were spotted since the beginning, newfag. Go back to lurking.
>>120603585 >Gen has massive exposure and consensus quality thanks to madoka, fate/zero, and psycho-pass >psycho pass >>120610091 >but it did an excellent job with what it set out to be. It didn't. It was poorly written and quite dumb.
>>120611974 >So you base your opinion of the show on the basis of one plot twist? Nah the show as a whole was poorly written but if you're willing to defend a show that literally explains it's references go right ahead Mr. Jackass
>>120611992 Congratulations, you identified one of the least important side characters.
Besides, Yayoi's a cutie.
>>120612028 It wasn't dropping references to look smart. It was dropping references because a college professor of psychoanalysis, his protege, and a theatrical serial killer are all the type of people who would make those references.
>>120612190 >It wasn't dropping references to look smart. >It was dropping references because a college professor of psychoanalysis, his protege, and a theatrical serial killer are all the type of people who would make those references.
>>120612074 Psycho Piss drinkers do a very poor job of defending the show or explaining what makes it good. It was funny to see them squirm during S2 because it shows that they were just following the hype.
>>120613024 She was completely grounded and level headed, and just a plain old friend to Akane. It's rare to see a character like that, and against the backdrop of PP's other characters, that's Godsend. Ginzo's dad was also bro tier.
>>120613648 >The second season is written by a different guy >implying it was written at all
>It also has more shock value than the first series. Cheap shock value. First season actually managed to make me feel something for the characters when they died and I really wanted Makishima to die for what he did. Second season just made me laugh.
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