his stubbornness is really getting on my nerves. does it get better as the series goes on?
You'll appreciate his stubbornness by the time UBW rolls around.
Yes. He loses his stupid "Saber is a girl so I should be the one fighting" mindset faster in the other routes. Not entirely, but mostly.
If you are actually watching DEEN though, you should stop.
The whole "you're a girl" thing is a coping mechanism for his need to be the one to sacrifice himself for others. Shirou isn't anymore sexist than your average Japanese dude, reality.
The UBW movie is fucking amazing. Great OST, and awesome fight scenes. I finished it today and yes, I'm an anime only fag. I finished the 2006 Fate Stay Night series a few days ago and liked it, the characters were the best part for me as I found every singe one likable. I'm planing on watching /Zero and the 2014 UBW series next.
Fuck yeah. UBW movie was also God tier. I'm going to watch Fate Zero next as well.
I've only seen Fate/Zero and thought it was superb. Not gonna watch the new Fate Stay Night because I've heard it's the worst part of the Fate series and was also based on an a old hentai game :/
One reason why Shirou's character is an interesting one is the fact that you see what comes from his ideals with Archer. Shirou alone is one of the better, more thought-out Type-Moon characters, but if you consider Shirou and HS Emiya one and the same (Which I personally do) he's easily the best.
Same. But I'm still gonna watch the Fate Stay Night remake because it's from the same director of Fate Zero, so the fight scenes should be good and make it worth watching. I haven't caught up with the remake because I've been to busy catching up on Fairy Tail.
It gets worse until you hit Heaven's Feel.
Then he actually becomes somewhat of an enjoyable character.
I dropped the UBW anime because of him
Your opinion is automatically discarded for shit taste
He grows on me on every route
When his depression over being the only survivor of the huge fire in Fate
When Archer starts berating him in UBW
When he gets Archer's arm in HF
I don't think anyone disagrees that he's always bad at first, on every single route
Shiki is a pretty average MC.
The moments he goes insane because of his blood is fun though.
To be honest, I don't really remember Fate that much.
In UBW, he was intolerable (while less intolerable in the VN than in the anime) throughout the entire thing. Though this is more personal, I didn't like the final fight and conclusion because it felt really forced.
The end of HF was awesome. It was just Shirou getting the shit beat out of him and then dying to prevent Angry Manjew from fucking things up.
Shirou is the most fleshed out character by far. The guy has multiple character arcs. Between UBW Shirou, HF Shirou, and Archer there's no competition in terms of depth of writing.
The only real weak link is Fate Shirou.
Well Bazett and Caster's Master die offscreen, and Zouken only joins the party if Shinji gets decked real early
Kotomine is also quite the proper Master, even if he's not that great a magus
Kotomine does a good job of killing the one scary magus, and Caster's Master is a fucking idiot
Iliya is good Master, and Rin does come from a good magus line, while the Matou family had already had no proper magus to be part of the war since the 4th
Even the 4th War had the one retarded Master that didn't even know about the Grail
Rejoice Emiya, your wish will finally come true.
Fate zero in a nutshell, file name very related.
Its not really that specific in UBW, its just who he was with his war flashbacks and "I'm not allowed to have fun" and "I want to be a hero!" mentalities. Not to mention he is an extreme fucking beta. Worse than the usual harem MC.
In HF he changes a lot though. He actually mans up, protects the girl he loves, becomes a great older brother, and dies protecting world in which his waifu lives in.
Kuzuki isn't an adult. Also, they all have a minor role anyway. If you're that concerned about the master's read some other battle royale F/SN is barely about the happenings of the HGW especially HF
Well in F/Z everyone had 60 years to prepare and made a bunch of strategies, plus Risei was much more subtle with his fuckery than Kirei
In the 5th Heaven's Feel the main families only have children heirs because it happened so soon after the last one (well the Matou don't really have any heir but you know), and the two proper magus who decided to participate die offscreen at the hands of Kirei or their own Servant, and one Servant is summoned by another Servant
Because no one told him being a Counter Guardian sucks
>Not to mention he is an extreme fucking beta. Worse than the usual harem MC
The dude faced a future version of himself who said his entire life would end in failure, and then told him was being a pussy, and convinced him his choices weren't a mistake. He then proceeded 1v1 the King of Uruk.
UBW Shirou faced his fears, his doubts about his ideals, his inferiority compared to his father and the people around him, and overcame it all; he reaffirmed he would still strive to be a hero, and along the way gained happiness with Rin.
How can you possibly say he was beta?
Jewels cost a lot of money
Plus Kirei screwed them over
The suffering wouldn't be complete with just constant soul shattering emotional devastation, we need some good old ultra violence to top it all off.
DEEN abridging lost crucial information upon adapting. The dots are there, and connect, but it misses everything else.
Check out the visual novel for the proper way to enjoy the story:
compared to typical happy go lucky chracters who dont want let anyone to get hurt i find shirou rather likeable.
>You are now aware you self-inserted as Emiya Shirou when you read the VN
He's a tsundere, he does odd things like that.
He fucks her raw, later. In between beating up an alternate future version of himself, and the strongest heroic spirit, mind you.
He got the shit beat out of him, then archer decided to stop because of reasons I still fail to understand.
Shirou's power was made to conveniently counter Gil's but be complete shit against anything else.
How does that compare to straight up fist fighting Kotomine at what seems like the end of the world?
>his stubbornness is really getting on my nerves.
Is it making you cross?
>then archer decided to stop because of reasons I still fail to understand.
Archer was having a post-life crisis. He lived his entire life without regrets, but spent his afterlife endlessly killing for Alaya. Through this, he started to think his past choices were a mistake; he grew cynical, and wanted to lash out against himself and his father for making him the way he was.
In UBW, he repeatedly tries to get Shirou off the path he was going down, but he keeps on failing. By the end he figures he'll just out and out kill him. He knows it likely won't change his future, but he doesn't care. He just wanted to take his anger out. The trick is is that Shirou's relentlessness in the fight starts to get to him. He sees the unfiltered idealism he used to have. Shirou doesn't break, and leaves him basically in awe. He starts to question if his choices were actually wrong, and by the end, he reaches the same conclusion Shirou does. It wasn't a mistake.
I swear 90% of the people who don't like UBW don't actually understand the story.
Just stop and leqrn to read.
Also unrelated but no Shirou from the VN becomes Archer.
Fuck Archer straight up says that he's just letting out his anger on someone who looks like his past self
It's pretty fucking good. It seems like F/SN and F/Z were cursed with shitty manga adaptions
>I swear 90% of the people who don't like UBW don't actually understand the story
This is true for all of F/SN and you probably also, don't understand it as well as you think you do.
Nope. If he just wanted to kill him, he would have done it countless times. He wanted to change Shirou's ideals, and if he kept going at them, completely crush them.
The fact that he couldn't is what led him to break.
If he really wanted to kill Shirou from the very start, he had plenty of opportunities to do so. He only gets violent when Shirou says something particularly grating about saving people at Ryuudo temple, and even then pauses to give some more condescending speeches.
It seems like you actually missed a pretty major thing, admittedly people often miss it. Why didn't Archer kill Shirou when he was walking him home earlier in the route if his only goal was just to kill Shirou with his own hands? His original goal was to try and direct Shirou away from being a hero peacefully, but he threw that goal away when he remembered how stubborn Shirou is after the first fight with Caster. During the fight with Shirou, Archer accepted that this Shirou wouldn't become like him so 1. the paradox would never happen because this Shriou isn't him and 2. Shirou's ideals in a form where he accepts his limits are beautiful and worth keeping. Therefore, killing Shirou was pointless and Archer lost the will to fight.
Caladbolg was directed at Saber not Shirou, he was trying to take Shirou out of the war because winning the war in his own life is what inspired him to put every ounce of his will into being a hero. It really is extremely obvious if you actually thought about these things. The first time Archer tried to kill Shirou was at the temple.
>Why didn't Archer kill Shirou when he was walking him home earlier in the route if his only goal was just to kill Shirou with his own hands?
Same reason he doesn't just kill him in Fate and HF.
Because he is allied with Rin against a bigger thread
You commented with backhanded and pretentious remark about people not understanding UBW. He may of been wrong but there might be aspects of F/SN that he has more knowledge than you on. My point is don't claim people haven't read the VN because the misinterpreted a scene.
If you think you understand it so much feel free to tell me everything you know about F/SN, although I could care less.
Didn't even open it.
As opposed to a dishonest one?
In my personal opinion that has no effect on your own personal opinion.
I commented on that because I've seen this conversation half a dozen times before. People who don't understand the Archer vs Shirou fight, and then act like it was an asspull or something.
You could fucking practically make a copypasta response to it.
>"Watch as Shirou strives to become a hero of justice... by getting saved by his servant, saved by his enemy, saved by his enemy servant, and getting saved by his enemies servant's servant."
That creator regrets forcing those h scenes into th VN, seeing as how the concept of sex to restore mana has been reconnected in the more recent adaptations of the Fate universe and newer versions of the Fate Stay Night VN are all, "all ages" only.
The reason why H scenes were included were because all VNs were read for at the time were H scenes, and not having those would cause Fate Stay Night to sell like shit.
Just because I like Fate the most doesn't mean I'm on the same level as that faggot Jack, anon.
I'd argue that the replacement scene in UBW wasn't that bad, but only because the h-scene was mediocre. Fate is just a touch better with the h-scene but it isn't a big deal. There is no excuse to play Heaven's Feel without h-scenes on though, it'd ruin it.
>That creator regrets forcing those h scenes into th VN
>the concept of sex to restore mana has been reconnected in the more recent adaptations of the Fate universe
Assuming you meant "retcons", please give examples.
You aren't cool anon. Stop being mean to me, I'm not Jack I swear.
Nasu and everyone else involved in Type Moon shit loves H content I'm sure, and the replacement scenes were garbage.
Then saying 90% of people don't the Archer vs Shirou fight rather than question their understanding of the route. Even then, there really isn't any need for a comment like that, you could simply give you're interpretation of the scene and other people will question you or add to what you say. Like a normal discussion.
I'm talking about the Realta Nua replacements, up until Heaven's Feel the quality difference is negligible. I could see how people would even think UBW is better without the h-scene. As long as you play Heaven's Feel with h-scenes, Realta Nua really isn't that different from the original in terms of quality.
Can someone please tell me what the Saber/Rin sex scene in the fate route was replaced with in non-lewd adaptions? How did they resolve the "Saber has no mana" issue without resorting to sex? An asspull? Saber turning murderous and killing people?