Alright, it's finally done.
The powerlevel chart version 2.0 is completed.
Added new images.
Changed for a single font on all the names.
Replaced all boxes.
And it's in a png format, so no more goddamn artifacts.
Is there anything missing?
Can't wait for the next DYN Freaks so we can get Japanese Azathoth.
Oups. I didn't notice that.
He's never moved.
Check bottom left.
Nigga the multiple Chibaku Tensei barely devastated that small section of the country. Look at the Naruto map. That shit was tiny compared to the continent size. And that's what some claim to be his strongest attack.
Kiss Shot's continent cracker is a simple jump from point A to B.
Fuck, I made a mistake. I forgot to switch Ajimu's power for special.
Well, I could add the name things on top of the characters but do they really need it?
>Listing Sakuya that high out of all touhou
Now that we are Talking about Kiss.
>Area = 14 mil sq km.
>Ice average thickness = 1.9km
>Volume 2.66e16 cum.
>Plug it http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Science/Asteroids.html . Diameter = 370400
>Cratering energy = 2.4 teratons.
How is Dio + Za Warudo lower than Accelerator and Jotaro not even on the list?
His gadgets might be normal in the future, but in the current age they're comparable to the powers of anyone on the list.
Guy has the signature ability to pull out a bullshit device that can do anything to absurd levels on a weekly basis.
Japan at one time listed him as one of the three strongest manga characters of all time, or more "What we think of when we think of strong". More the popular powerful types, rather than "Demonbane, and that guy in some super obsure niche thing that is god-man, and this other guy in this series you've never heard of, etc".
Kenshiro was also top three
They're both types that on a weekly basis, could pull out any type of bullshit the plot demanded without limit.
Madara should be higher than accelerator since he should have that dimensional distortion attack thing anyone with a sharingan has.
Sakura should not be ab above any servant, she only wins against because of high affinity against them
her maximum power output at a time is only comparable to excalibur.
Dio and other stands can literally punch faster than the speed of light even without timestop, he should be higher.
>Madara should be higher than accelerator since he should have that dimensional distortion attack thing anyone with a sharingan has.
Kamui is unique to Obito
he probably gets the Human path to take souls
>Sakura should not be ab above any servant, she only wins against because of high affinity against them
Shadow was far above servants, it wasn't just "affinity", but rather it was directly noted time and time again to be a monster far above servants.
If it was nothing but affinity, they'd all beat it easily.
She wasn't just "Some human magus fuck", she was combined with Angya, something beyond servants, given unearthly power enough to make Saber shit herself, could move between shadows in less than a second faster than even servants, and it was noted in the game more than once that this thing's power wasn't just "affinity against servants" but rather it was a fucking monster all around.
If all it was was affinity, yet again, they'd just win easily. Because even if something has affinity, it doesn't matter if you're below them enough. they can just move super fast and snipe you from a distance, or kill you before you affinity against them. However she was faster, stronger, more mana, and was pure death for servants typically.
It was like a horror movie monster'; it wasn't just "Sakura", it was Angya.
Why are we letting Narutards like OP make powerlevel charts?
Hope the mods start clamping down on this shit.
After all, the mods cut down powerlevel shit down over at /co/, so they should give us some of that moderation here, too.
>Madara should be higher than accelerator since he should have that dimensional distortion attack thing anyone with a sharingan has
Madara doesn't have that.
>Sakura should not be ab above any servant, she only wins against because of high affinity against them her maximum power output at a time is only comparable to excalibur
Not a who versus who.
>Dio and other stands can literally punch faster than the speed of light even without timestop, he should be higher
He's correctly placed.
There's enough jojo characters already.
Myuugi is a multiuniversal being who is an elder god among a group of gods who go and destroy/eat universes to fuel themselves.
They fight off top tier characters for breakfast.
Myuugi has a special ring where if anyone has a thought about seeking to harm her, it automatically removes them from existence.
I don't know about Nozumu but he's always been at the top of powerlevel charts.
Maybe you should go back to /co/.
>After all, the mods cut down powerlevel shit down over at /co/, so they should give us some of that moderation here, too.
That only happened because their new administration believe that everybody is a winner and there is no need to discuss
Shit, bad typo, give me a minute to fix.
Yes. She's the level cap and a shit so she deserves to be at the bottom.
I should have made it more obvious and called Walmart Night but meh.
Is it better if I leave it as Walmart or just Walpurgis Night?
Why haven't you even added half of what's on the old list? There's nowhere near as big a spectrum as the old, and you call this finished?
I'd say Meliodas should be up there somewhere as well
Lord of Nightmares is her own Universe. She is not multiversal. She just has pocket universes inside herself made of herself. IT is a single entity
She should be tied with the choushin
>half of the old list
That was the old list.
Unless you mean that fucked up shit that removed the special tier group and added a billion characters.
Not a good idea.
>Not a good idea.
fanboys can get as pissed as they want but it's stated the universe and sub universes are made up of her.
She doesn't create shit... hell she'd be below the Choushin who can actually create matter using higher dimensional energy
What about Father from FMA:B? He captured God for like 10 minutes, could create anything he wanted by thinking about it, and probably would get more powers if Hoenheim hadn't fucked him.
The idea of a "special-tier" group is bullshit in the first place, and I've never heard a single valid reason or justification for its existence. It's characters are just as hax, usually for just as poorly written reasons as a ton of characters in the "normal" area of the list.
It's only original reason for existing was it contained characters that could "beat" characters in the normal side of the list that people making and/or suggesting the list don't want to admit could "beat" their characters, so they go "lol, this guy/gal can't be fairly measured or explained by my standards despite being just as bullshit as character A over here, so into the special tier they go!"
It's either you can bullshit them just fine just like half or more of the other bullshit sues on the entire list, or EVERYONE above a certain area is special tier anyway.
The entire list, or rather, ALL the variations of it ever made is nothing but a horrible cacophany of fanon, headcanon, baseless opinions, and other nonsense that no one will ever agree on, and as is readily obvious by looking at half the given responses in any one of these threads usually doesn't even take GIVEN facts/proven feats into existence.
Hell, I (my personal opinion, I admit) think the entire foundation concept of "this is only about raw abilities/"destructive" power, and we take nothing else into account is retarded, since about 75% ton 100% of everything we take into account and discuss in powerlevels is about context.
Another case in point, about 80%+ of the character featured on this list ALONE, which ignores about 99% of all anime/manga/VNs/LNs, etc., their powers only work or are AS hax in their given Universes. Put them somewhere, in another character's universe say, that operates under different rules and they're fucked and/or useless/powerless.
Heck, I've always said from days of yore that these sort of lists should be weighted based on quality of writing and quality of character/power description.
I just personally find it stupid when we consider authors who've literally resorted to the same kind of character/power creation as you'd get if you asked a 3rd grader, or kindergardener, to use their imagination. "Uhmmm, I give my awesome heroman guy the power to punch infinity times 3!! And, and, he can come back to life when he gets REALLY mad!!!" The entire fucking Kamachi-verse is full of bullshit characters who have increasingly ridiculous 'because I win and am god' writing because power creep and retarded writing has become his standard.
The list is full of this kind of nonsense.
Also, the idea of comparing characters from different settings/universes in terms of powerlevel is retard, everyone deserves to be in Special Tier Fuck off from /a/
See my above point about "this character's in special tier because he can beat my characters". And he's a very unique case at that since his power is 'no powers'. And in his own universe a SHIT TON of not even very powerful things can override Imagine Breaker, like any spell that keeps being cast or renewing itself for more than, like 5 seconds, even if its nowhere near a powerful one.
Also, it just displays the hypocrisy of the people in these threads and who make the list, who usually parrot ad infinitum "it's not ABOUT personal matchups, or context, or circumstances, it's about raw destructive abilities or their default capabilities".
I largely agree, but if some characters powers are based off of principles like "always more powerful than everybody else" like Saitama, then I don't think they can be fairly ranked, as the power supposedly only works in their universe. I think the idea of a special tier versus the regular is that the regular assumes that their powers work independently from the universe their in and allows their powers to be compared on that scale, whereas those in the special tier are wholly dependent on the universe itself. However it never works out this way and the rankings are retardedly chosen anyway so it's not like it matters.
If any mod sees this thread, please purge OP and his thread with fire.
It's on the same cancerous level as Flashtards and Supermantards coming over from /co/ to start powerlevel threads on /a/.
Then we got those cancerous whatever versus one google ants,birds, whatever crap.
Mods, please do something before /a/ becomes Narutoforum where threads like what OP makes, happen on an hourly basis.
See >>121122672, it's mostly people arguing their own bullshit, fanon, wank, personal opinions pulled out their ass, headcanon, etc. You just accept this if you're going to participate among people who would have a versus argument in the first place.
Logic, or reason, or actual presentable facts (in so much as fiction can have 'facts') never really mean much here. That's why you have 'special-tier', and 'well, it doesn't matter if they'd lose to these 5 people over HERE, or to those few people over there normally, because we're not taking any sort of context, we're just going by my idea of their "raw destructive power"'.
Which is even more ironic because a lot of the characters listed are usually taken at their absolute, random, bullshit strongest, in a state that can't always, or rarely access, that doesn't really represent their actual powerlevel. But they don't do this with everyone.
Best case in point, Masaki Tenchi. He's almost ALWAYS listed at the top of these lists despite his 99%of the time default state being an ordinary doofus carrot farmer that wouldn't hurt a fly. reading the list and people wanking over him, you'd think he was the physical incarnation of the primal concept of power that haunts our dreams. When in reality 99%of characters both on and off this list could just show up on his door step and vaporize him before he's even realised someone was there.
Going from that, these lists never take characters personalities into account either, despite them being an innate part of a person. So good guys who happen to be strong (but would rarely if ever exert themselves or harm a fly, except in extremem circumstances) are said to be much higher than slasher psycho bastards who would flick their fingers and kill without a whim.
Did you not read the Special tier sign?
Those are characters which cannot be placed correctly.
>quality of writing
You're kinda asking for what isn't even there.
Homura has always been the lowest.
Fuck off newfag.
i want to finish the games but i accidently my save file for the first one halfway through completing all the routes.
>based off of principles like "always more powerful than everybody else" like Saitama
thats not how saitama works.
he broke his limits quickly and then gained a enourmous growth rate.
how strong he currently is and whether he can continue to get stronger through more training is unknown.
Except, as I stated above, one of the largest flaws with the idea of this list in the first place is that 80%of the characters would be ganked outside their universes, which are tailor made top support their bullshit.
Basically, I feel the opposite as yourself. that most of these characters are COMPLETELY dependant on their universes.
Likewise, most of these characters, like Saitama, are given I win power or buttons by their respective authors and/or fandom wanking over them.
Just as an random, easily chosen example, you'd have a hard time convincing me that someone who could, say, freeze time, like DIO, or Sakuya, or Esdeath, couldn't beat a lot of people higher than them because Time Freeze is a pretty "special tier" ability, going by the above referenced definition.
Does time freeze nullify powers that aren't yet activated? Does time freeze even stop "auto" abilities like, say Accelerator's "I automatically redirect everything LOL" hax, or does it not even have the chance to automatically kick in because time is literally stopped? Same with other equally hax abilities? What abiility supercedes what, and how do you determine that? Could a really powerful reality warper (assuming they're the type that 'death' applies to as a concept at least) be killed by a time stopper since they never got the chance to warp reality? Could a divine/god character?
How do you determine whose reality warping outdoes whose? If someone who has reality warping goes up against a character who has reality warping + 1000 other abilities, but reality warper 1 wills them to not have powers "first", does the more powerful reality warper lose?
I could go on, but my point is that it's all pointless.
>Those are characters which cannot be placed correctly.
My argument is that this isn't. It's either (1) they CAN be placed as "correctly" as anyone else on the list, especially some of the more bullshit examples, but are put over there because people find them threatening to their headcanons, (2) if THEY can't be placed "correctly", which is a silly concept to begin with, then neither can a dozen other people from the list, or (3) some of the so-called "special-tier" are really "we don't really know anything about this persons' powers at all" (like, say, Haruhi, whos reality warper/"deity" status has never even been proven in her own books), so they shouldn't be on the list at all.
Time Freeze isn't special tier. It's only a multiplier and at best simply the ability to move fast.
Reality warpers are categorized by how far they can reach and how much they can change.
Acce even has a limit to the amount of damage he can receive, so it's not like he has an auto reflect attack power.
It really just seems you're bitching for the sake of bitching.
You make a compelling argument. In fact, I'm inclined to believe it now. The only way to really judge powerlevel is if the universe rules are pretty much the same, which is only really applicable to conventional strength and non reality or time warping abilities, and even then I suppose there are probably other bullshit powers that wouldn't work.
I'm with this anon for the most part. Unless there's a standard, then it doesn't make sense to split them, or have a chart at all. If it's about who could beat who, then most people would be 'special' tier and couldn't be compared. If it's about overall power, then 'special' wouldn't really exist, as the overall power, say, in terms of what another anon used (ability to destroy a mountain or a planet) wouldn't really be conditional to the same degree the 'special' category is used as.
It'd be fine if it were more specific, or it was labeled as to what 'power' is defined as in the sense of the chart, but as it is, I don't really think it makes sense. You can compare characters on specific aspects, but comparing on 'power' in general is a little silly. Of course, who could beat who in a fight is different, but that's more of a direct comparison than it is a ranking/scale.
The fact that nobody can agree on where they can be placed says otherwise.
The fact that so many people bitched that X character should have been on a special list rather than ranked tells you otherwise.
Yes, that's exactly why she's in the special tier.
She's god but doesn't know it.
I agree with you, she should be even on that list but she does show that she can just fucking change everything so people want her placed on the chart. You bitching that it isn't conclusive doesn't mean she can't be added. Thus, she ends up on the Special tier.
There's a reason why the special tier was created.
Serious question: Are all of those other characters actually strong enough to beat Madara? After reading the copy pasta I assumed he was actually one of the strongest in all manga or something.
But how is time freeze a "multiplier"? If it's really a time freeze, and not just something that works like a time freeze, then that means time should be completely stopped except for the character doing it. No other abilities should be active or able to BE activated, since time is stopped.
Time freeze is completely different from "moves really fast". with a speedster and 'moves really fast', time is still moving and other abilities can be active and activated.
>Reality warpers are categorized by how far they can reach and how much they can change.
Okay, but, and I'm seriously asking this not just BSing with you, how do you determine the power of reality warpers if they're both within the distance they can reach, and they are both affectable by the amount they can change?
>Acce even has a limit to the amount of damage he can receive, so it's not like he has an auto reflect attack power.
True, he's not a "threat" to a lot of the higher people on the list, but he can tank things like multiple nukes and whatnot, so when comparing him to less "destructive" people, but people with haxer abilties, you have to consider how said abilities interact, which is not something people in powerlevel threads like to do.
Also, Accelerator's power only works on things it can understand, like, say, actual physical laws. It was completely garblefucked by magic for a while till it started getting used to it, and is still pretty fucked by powerful magic.n It wouldn't understand a ton of stuff outside his universes sphere, which goes to another point I've been making.
ALL the people in the Kamachi-verse, at least the pure magicians who are the broken ass ones, depend upon that "idol theory" bullshit, which only works in Kamachi-verse. Take them out of the Kamachi-verse, no idol theory = they're all boned.
>Yes, that's exactly why she's in the special tier. She's god but doesn't know it.
We don't know she'd god. People in her own universe don't know that. That's the point.
The point of (3) was that "if we don't have ANY fucking idea how powerful a character is whatsoever, don't know what their powers are or how they work, and don't know for sure if they have powers (which is a very valid suspicion within Haruhi's own books) then they shouldn't be on a power level list.
It's like saying well, that background character over there, we know not that much about him. "but he could be infinity man, with infinity+ powers since we don't know he ISN'T!"
"Oh yeah, he could. Well throw him in special tier since he could have powers but we don't know what they are."
The point of the (pointless) powerlevel list is to compare powers that we KNOW. We can, to SOME small degree, at least argue about them. If we DON'T have details, we don't just throw them wherever, that defeats the point of special tier even by YOUR standards of it.
And fucking what at Nagato being that high, but Haruhi being special. They're either both high or both special. Plus, Nagato got beaten by getting stabbed by relatively normal spears coming from a relatively not normal place, and was only able to win because the thing stabbing her was basically built was a kill-cancel code designed to let nagato stop her.
Like I said in the beginning, Special-Tier (outside of Haruhi and a few others) is just the dumping ground for people who can actually BEAT the other characters on the "normal" list in a fight, which chafes the asses of a lot of jealous/defensive of their characters anons something fierce.
But then they'll be the first to jump in and "oh oh, yeah!! YEAHH! Tenchi's the strongest cause he's like GOD and stuff!
Okay, but so is Akuma Homura. She basically has the same exact caveat, except she is in control of her godhood and its her default state that she can control, unlike Tenchi who's usually a powerless carrot farmer. And they BOTH have the caveat that they're only "gods" of their own universes.
Demonbane's "I have all the infinity powers of infinite universes + any power that you can imagine ever and am the "motherfucking flash" of robots" is no more or less hax or stupid than Medaka's "I can learn all your shit, and then infinity +1 you.
Ajimu's and several other characters' bullshit is no different from Bernkastel and Lambadelta's "everything is our toy and we have all power and can do what we want and play with reality" nonsense. They're the most special tier of them ALL.
Plus. it can easily be argued that Bern and Lambda and Featherine, and ESPECIALLY other Umineko people like Sorcerer Battler and Beato don't even EXIST, as some of the, are flat out CONFIRMED as just being made up characters in a book in ntheir OWN universe
>Plus. it can easily be argued that Bern and Lambda and Featherine, and ESPECIALLY other Umineko people like Sorcerer Battler and Beato don't even EXIST, as some of the, are flat out CONFIRMED as just being made up characters in a book in ntheir OWN universe
Death of the author.
Or how about Raymoo being so fucking high?
When her universe is specifically made up of god-tier broken people who together could bitch slap most of this list, but they don't USE their powers and she basically participates in high-stakes paint-ball matches with them?
Or the girls from Mai-Otome who have no particular abilities on their own other than "hit real hard, tank a bunch of physical damage, and maybe put some craters in the landscape"?
But then someone will jump in and say "NO! It's only about RAW DESTRUCTIVE POWER!! Those hard punches and craters are important!
Okay, but what about Enma AI, who can fucking kill people only one at a time and can't affect the real world, and can't even do it at WILL, but only under a strict set of retarded rules? And she's on about the same level as Fiamma. Another Infinity+1 guy right along with the "special tier" rejects. Who can't even raise the continents with his OWN power(which is more of a 1 vs 1 thing), but apparently toys like the angels and magical deathstars count for some people despite not being their "own"powers, but not others,
Plus there are a few actual all-powerful gods in there under some people who technically could be erased from their existence by some sneezes. I mean, I love me some Kinomoto Sakura, and she has a very versatile move set, but about a million restrictions and nowhere near enough magical energy, and what the fuck is she doing up in god fuck tier with people who could casually destroy the solar system?
Sakura Kinomoto is way too high on that list. Not even full power Clow Reed from the Clamp multiverse would be that high (he can't even bring back the dead and he is placed above reality warpers that can).
True he has a lot of special abilities that very high tier characters too but he has no destructive feats to back him up. And even if Sakura > Clow Reed she's not that powerful.
She'd be closer to Reimu level in terms of feats and abilities.
Why do people think Reimu is powerful at all? She's like, one of the least powerful characters in the Gensokyo-verse. The whole poibt of Touhou is that they DON'T FIGHT OR USE THEIR POWERS.
They just go around using spellcards (which might not even COUNT as their own powers), playing a game as a proxy for actually fighting. It would be like if Kenshin and Zoro (I'm purposefully chosing pleb-tier shounen battle examples) had a sword fight, but used foam NERF swords to boff each other.
You have to read the supplimentary works to see how strong some of them really are. Like the moon bitches manga has Remilia moving at like Mach 50, and talk about God's that can destroy worlds and bend reality. Reimu isn't actually that strong per say but its said many times she has the potential to be at the level she's placed at if she actually wasn't a lazy miko and tried for reals.
Yukari though is placed way to high on the powerlevel list. No way is she that powerful. Maybe the level of a mid-tier witch from umineko but not near the top.
Narutardation is stupid, but it's there. Good on calling them out, but the list isn't too unfairly balanced for Naruto or anything. Madara is just that Chunni bullshit strong.
I don't think it's that hard to understand. When you judge powerlevels, you judge CONCEPTS, not the extent of their powers described or shown. The special tier is for the concepts that are difficult or impossible to quantify and compare to others, or some strange workarounds like Touma.
Consider, say, the Abrahamic God. If you look at his fighting skills - firestorms, locusts, occasionally getting a Jew to kill the infidels - they're not terribly impressive. But the CONCEPT is what matters, and the concept makes him an omnipotent being. Same goes for Saitama, for example. You can compare his punches and how strong they were, but those aren't Saitama's character, his idea. They're his actions. And what he embodies is impossible to compare quantitatively. So he's "special"
That aside, I'm disappointed by the lack of skeleton representation on your list, OP.
But that's all LITERALLY fanwank. As in, bullshit written by fans. That's the entirety of Touhou. You might as well just go by ANY fanwank stupid assholes say and/or make up about any character.
But jeezus, even looking at the BOTTOM of this list is painful. Homura has timestop and access to just about all arms below "nuke" tier. She fucks over everyone near the bottom of the list. I'm using her cause she's at the very bottom.
There are a bunch of people around her that can't do anywhere NEAR as much damage, or kill people anywhere near as easily (as I said, if we make if personal power instead of bullshit "destructive capability", then timestop kills 50%+ of this list. There are some people and things who can't do much at ALL within a shitload of prep time, which, if you allowed a shitload of prep time to EVERYONE (including, say, Homura, who COULD go fetch a nuke) then it erases any advantage the prep time would give them.
Then there's someone like Nanoha (kid Nanoha at that) who are listed as equivalent or higher than people who can slaughter thousands if not MILLIONS in one go, and who's magic is SPECIFICALLY "does NOT do any fatal wounding or much property damage tier, it just looks REALLY flashy". Fucking 'A', she's listed as equivalent ot higher than Negi, Alucard, and people like Vash and Yuusha who can LITERALLY nuke cities off the map.
Then THEY'RE below people like Momoyo (who's, what a REALLY strong martial artist wanked by her own universe and...that's it?), both Izayoi's (one of which can timestop and use knives as opposed to Homura's ordinance, the other of which can punch really hard), and Accelerator, who's mostly defensive (seriously, whartever happened to "it's based on DESTRUCTIVE CAPABILITY"?) And if Accelerator can redirrect the Earth's gravitational and rotational momentum to fuck everything, asn I'm sure some people will argue, why the fuck isn't he much higher?
How the fuck do you guys do this?
I like to discus power level bullshit as much as the next guy when it comes to 1v1 fights but this.
There is so much shit to factor in to making a list like this is fucking incomprehensible.
>what determins a power level?
>is X character im gonna place over Y character even able to beat Y?
>do they even have to fight?
>is the list gonna incorporate asspull mechanics like "i fight for my freinds" and such?
>what if X character was in Y character's world?
>how does X's supper move effect Y if he has his super move
You can't even go after your gut instinct and just slap something in just you think is right. it has to be something everyon agrees with.
Fucking how can you guys sit and discuss something on such a grand scale?
And speaking of Momoya, who should basically be at the bottom of this list for being a "really strong martial artist", how the fuck is she so much higher than her complete expy and twin from another Universe Esdeath, who's LITERALLY her but with tons of magic powers, ice that can destroy cities and more, and fucking timestop?!
I could go offf on this shit forever.
Sure they both have time stop but Sakuya is at least 100x stronger physically. Sakuya's timestop is probably more powerful as well because its Lunarian tech (muh fanwank) and that stuff is reality warping levels.
Momoka is broken because her regen ability is tiers above everything else about he. Like planet busting tier. You pretty much have to have a power to counter it at if you are near that level or just flat out power through it even if none of her attacks couldn't even hurt or reach you.
I dont even need to begin explaining how wrong that is.
If your characters power takes a scientifically measurable amount of time to use, or your reaction takes longer than a plank unit of time you lose by default to sttgl via speedblitz. Disregarding the whole literally crushing your galaxy/universe thing
>it has to be something everyon agrees with
There is NOTHING that /a/ universally agrees with, there aren't even many things that a true majority will agree on.
Now you are trying to bring powerlevels, quite possible the most volatile and open to interpretation topic that exists, and trying to demand an already impossible consensus on it?
That's some next level retardation there, almost as retarded as someone who would waste the time putting together a giant powerlevel chart that not a single anon will agree with fully.
Arguing powerlevels is something young kids so while they wait for their weekly installment of long-running shounen manga, it wastes time and that's about it. There is nothing to be had from convincing yourself or others that fictional characters you like are stronger than other fictional characters.
>but Sakuya is at least 100x stronger physically
Fanwank, nothing to back it up. And this is supposed to be about 'potential and destructive capability'. Sakuya isn't a physical fighter anyway.
>Sakuya's timestop is probably more powerful as well because its Lunarian tech (muh fanwank) and that stuff is reality warping levels
You admitted it was fanwank.
>Momoka is broken because her regen ability is tiers above everything else about he
What does regen have to do with anything? She doesn't have a wolverine-esque healing ability. And she isn't even "area" busting tier, let alone city, or etc. busting tier. That's fanwank bullshit.
>You pretty much have to have a power to counter it
There are a dozen people with powers to HARD counter it, like, oh, I dunno, TIMESTOP. And others. Like I said, Esdeath is LITERALLY equivalent to Momoyo or stronger at BASE ability, in a universe where the averager WIMPY Human is probably somewhere above some of the people near the bottom of this list. And then she has dozens of more abilities than Momo-nee on TOP of being her physical equal.
That's the problem with this chart. Tons of people near the BOTTOM can beat people near the top.Which is when wankers come and say "it's about TOTAL DESTRUCTIVE ABILITY, not who wins in a fight!" and then will go on to list plenty of people with NO destructive ability all over the chart.
A few minor things
One misspelling - Yukari Yakumo, not Yukumo.
It seems strange to have DIO but not Jotaro considering they have essentially the same powers and Jotaro is the main character and ultimately stronger.
Inconsistent text alignment for character names kind of bugs me but it's probably way too much to bother fixing.
The jpeg artifacts on "Power Chart" and "Special Tier" are unsightly, the chart would look far better if they were redone.
Yuki nagato being able to destroy an entuty that literally and accidentally brute forced an entire fucking universe is undeniably wrong. She has trouble enough holding her own against spikes early on in the series.
And from what i remember, her localized reality warp in disapearance took a measurable amount of time.
Hell, if the fight takes place in 99% of these characters universes against sttgl they lose from the very moment the fight starts since sttgl is bigger than most modern estimates of the universe, by several orders of magnitude.
STTGL simply existing is a gross violation of physics. Anything less than some demonbane tier shitfuckery and the fight is literally over before it starts
Momoka's regen is way above wolverine level did you actually play the VN?
Her regen is so fucking broken that it breaks the entire verse she's in in terms of powerlevel and the only way someone beat her was to create a device to counter her regen (the device itself a deus ex machina).
Also, you say there is no proof that Sakuya is 100x physically stronger than Homura so I can just tell you to read the offical/canon 2hu mangas it'll show you. Even if she was 1/5th as strong as her master (Remilia) she would be able to move at mach 10+ and have city levels of destructive powers.
I won't agrue that some of the stuff here is full fanwank but some of it is actually true and backed by feats. Just because you haven't read their source material doesn't mean its fake.
seconded, i won't argue about anything below, but something like myuugi just can't be beaten.
Her entire concept is that anything that even thinks about trying, even subconciously or collateral...is just erased from existence.
And it's clearly stated her powers span across every single possible universe, so she can't just be lumped in special tier.
She is the most literal definition of a god.
Lord of Nightmares is everything you dumb fuck, everything is just her dream. The Sea of Chaos is her body, beings like Darkstar after he absorbed Vorfeed was extremely weakened after traveling between the staves, weak enough for Lina and the gang to kill it(didn't even need a giga slave).
Dark Star after he absorbed Vorfeed was strong enough to destroy his entire multiverse, you can't be dumb enough to say he is stronger then LoN.
Previous chartfag here, other then some nitpicks, like Yuki being too high(just universal with slightly ftl reactions), should be alot lower, and not put in the realms of multiversals.
>She is the most literal definition of a god.
I won't argue against that she she be in the absolute top of the chart but Demonbane is a tie when it comes to this. The way that their powers have been described is just two different ways of saying the same thing, that is that they are perfectly omnipotent. Both are perfect gods that can do anything and none of them can be defeated.
I still want Medaka moved out of the special category, her main power is extremely powerful and her secondary power doesn't really work as a power and can be countered with no effort at all.
The End is the best duelist power there is and should put her around Giorno level and her Main Character factor would lose out to say, the witch of miracles who would potentially hard counter her like Zenkichi's Devil Style did.
And on a side note why is Takumi so low, if anything he belongs in the special tier due to his 100% perfect reality bending power.\
Also could somebody measure out Momoyo vs Kiss Shot, while she is powerful Momoyo loses to a glorified Kamehame satellite and is outclassed by Hume
Yuki Nagato is merely a limited interface of the Data Entity. Data Entity itself is an on-the-boundary of evolution species, meaning they the absolute form of intelligent-life. They are absolute data that stretches far throughout the universe, as well in alternate-plane dimensions and multiverses, so basically they are the universe. Because they are data, they are allowed to manipulate EXISTING data, thus they're place in the list is justified. The reason why Haruhi would seem to be classed much greater than this entity is because she is able to create/destroy/manipulate/etc. NONEXISTING/NEW data. This means she could, potentially, wish for a limtless amount of Demonbanes or some shit if she wanted to, and thus her power would be broken. That's why she's on the Special list, as well as the lack of knowledge of the true extent of her powers.
Now with that said, Nagato would be considered universal because she branches from the Data Entity. Haruhi was explained above.
And here I am assuming you're talking about the Asakura v. Nagato fight. Remember, both are Data Interfaces, thus both would share a similar set of ability, thus they'd have the ability to fight each other. These spears you talk about are manipulated data that is used to the advantage of Asakura in breaking down Nagato's physical barrier, which she purposedly set low and weak because of reasons already said in the scene. And I end there because you seem to have no idea what you're talking about.
How did you manage to get Doraemon but not Arale?
would haruhi summoning an endless amounting of demonbanes beat EDG demonbane summoning an endless amount of demonbanes? could haruhi maybe wish for a demonbane that could defeat all of EDG's summoned demonbanes? could she maybe even wish to pilot another-EDG demonbane or some shit? or would EDG demonbane beat her anyways?
Subway is Russian now?
Ok, she could potentially do all these things, but we don't know the true limit of her capabilities. We don't know, maybe her awakened power would be limitless thus she'd be high up in the chart there. But her place in the list would also definitely be based on how she reacts to her ackowledgement of powers. Maybe she becomes some sort of Universal Diety that rules and takes the universe and any other universes out there down to their knees instantaneously just by the thought of it, thus reigning her some supreme being, toppling those on the top of the chart. Or she could be all cool and mellow about it, though I'd doubt she'd remain calm and normal. So that's why she's on special tier; her true potential is unknown. Though her great powers are hinted at in her unconcious abilities such as summoning Espers, Aliens, and Time Travelers; awakening ancient organisms solely by her influence over the internet; etc. And all of these are done unknowingly and unconsiously, so imagine her power upon acknowledgement. So yea she's a mystery, and there's limitless concepts surrounding the potential powers she has.
tl;dr Maybe; if she's up for a fight she could do those things
Why the hell is Giorno still so high up? His powers are greatly exaggerated by a bad translation. If we go by the most accurate tranlation so far found at http://jazztronic.tumblr.com/post/107133419953 you see that he is far from being as strong as stated on that chart. Quoting the translation from the page,
"Gold Experience Requiem:
Stand power developed after being pierced by the arrow. He has the ability to make his adversary’s strength, in actions as well as in spirit, null. Since death itself becomes null, the one hit by his power must die in an infinite, constant loop."
Giorno should also be removed completely from the chart and be replaced by GER as the more accurate translation also says that "Requiem stand basically becomes their own entity separate from the user" so Giorno isn't the one with power enough to be on the chart, his sentient stand is.
Maybe anon. She would definitely NOT be above or at par with Demonbane or Myuugi, but I wouldn't think she'd be low as she is now. Nagato, at limitless jurisdiction, would probably be somewhere around where Haruka is. But that depends on how chart creator thinks about this.
Have you actually read Dragon Ball? The gods of the DB universe have world-altering powers, Babidi had psychic powers. Powerlevels in DB render you immune to that. This is canon, even. It's like a high level fighter in D&D having magic resistance. Chances are half of the world-altering shit wouldn't work on Goku (or any other DBZ character for that matter) because he'd simply go "RAAAAAAAAAHHHH" and nothing would happen.
I don't know why this shit is tolerated either. After a while I've stopped complaining about it and simply ignored the threads. However, I still see a problem with it because it makes cancerous demographics feel at home here.
In 2007 or so OP would have been laughed at and told to get the fuck out and take his shit to gaia or animesuki.
Because most of Accelerator's supposed powers are fanwank extrapolation of poorly described and poorly translated abilities he supposedly has. When it comes to powers that are actually exhibited within the series the Index characters are probably at the level of Piccolo Daimaou or Muten Roshi at the end of DB.
>Featherine, Bernkastel and Lambdadelta on the top
I'm satisfied you miserable piece. Maybe i will not throw you to the depths of Abyss
With this explanations we can conclude that anyone from the TTGL is stronger than haruhi since their very willpower allows them to spawn infinite amounts of matter into the universe.
A smart person would have realised the futility of making such a powerlevel list because they're not measure at the same scale since many abilities depend on the setting itself. However, people like OP are mostly children and adults still stuck in their chuuni phase and thus unable to comprehend this.
TTGL verse is in constant threat of collapsing into a blackhole because spirals keep introducing energy into the universe.
Haruhi in TTGL would be nothing more than the average awakened spiral.
You forgot the one person who trumps them all
How do defeat Demonbane:
1. Take a character who is "keystone of reality" tier.
2. Get Demonbane to use reality warping against them
3. Azathoth interacts with something outside of its "dream", and thus wakes up.
4. Demonbane's entire universe is erased.
She's god and can spawn shit as well.
Also, the sheer size of any robot past the Arc Gurren-Lagann make every move it does violate special relativity and be faster than light.
And nobody would like to be hit by a faster than light punch.
Whelps, I would destroy your beta powerchart made up of 50% prepubescent girls.
How dare you talk poorly about my servant?!?
Nabeshin in the special category.
Godspeed anon. Of course the power of afro is unmeasurable.
lol accelarator stronger than madara? he got his ass whooped by touMan
madara could beat him with taijutsu and theres no way to confirm his vectors work on genjutsu or illusion abilities
Ilias is way too fucking high, as always. She can't even destroy a single planet, is vulnerable to physical attacks, yet apparently she's above super tengen toppa gurren lagann. Even in her final form, she's slightly below Accelerator at best.
This is a good list since 4 top characters which abilities basically exclude each other existence are finally on par, not someone above. Add another character from Eternity Sword who is on the same level as Myuugi.
Also he still got rekt by mere humans while having the power of god. So when he doesn't have the power of god, he's just a scrub that can't get out of his flask
Except that a much lesser version of demonbane got to a dimension where nothing existed, he and his enemy stopped existing on that dimension and still they keep fighting, keyword is lesser version.
Are you perhaps retarded? Stopping Demonbane for existing don't do shit to even a much lesser version of him, is that hard to understand? Nevermind that exist a infinity number of Demonbanes that can't stop existing, a infinity number of demonbanes that can cancel powers, a infinity number of demonbanes that are Myuugi but even faster, I could go on.
>Nevermind that exist a infinity number of Demonbanes that can't stop existing
Except they can
>infinity number of demonbanes that can cancel powers
Except they cease to exist the very same moment they try to cancel Myuugi powers
>Infinity number of demonbanes that are Myuugi but even faster
Except they aren't
>I could go on
However it's useless.
You fail to grasp the whole point of arguing: you are trying to prove Demonbane is more powerful than any of the three characters posted, this is what makes you so pathetic. However they are equal since their abilities nullify each other and you can't place these characters into the same universe/plane/whatever so they can interact: just because they can't. For example, any given iteration of Demonbane is a character of Featherine's book, so it doesn't matter which abilities does it have, because it's just a character, etc.etc.
They should be equal exactly because any arguing who is stronger of this 4 (actually 5) characters is pathetic and retarded just like you.
>Thinking that Lambda, Bern and Featherine can actually interfere with the world of humans.
By that logic Ange should be at the top of the chart since she totally owned Bern and Bern and Lambda have equal power.
>Implying I haven't read the sound novels or that I didn't discuss it for years
You understand nothing of what "witches" actually are. If you interpret their powers literally I can only laugh at you.
>stands aren't that different than each other...
Is this a fucking joke? Are you saying that a stand that control people from being above them it's not that different from a stand that blow people with touch or a stand that can create life or a stand that stop time or a stand that pull meteors to earth?
You don't understand the nature of Demonbane though. Due to nature of alternate universes, EVERYTHING is Demonbane. At one point in the infinite number of parallel universes, everything that exists, has existed, does not exist and could never have existed was/is a Demonbane.
That means Myuubi is a Demonbane. Featherine is a Demonbane. Peter Pan is a Demonbane. And all of these, as Demonbanes, can be summoned and used freely by Elder God Demonbane, the embodiment of the very concept of Demonbane.
There's nothing stronger than Elder God Demonbane, because Elder God Demonbane can summon an infinite number of them as a servant regardless.
I think that both Jojo and Index have enough reps at this point honestly. Maybe the chart could stomach Johnny (who can spin probably all non-reality bender tier opponents, but has only human body).
MFW Aiwass and Aleister aren't the two strongest characters. Now while I don't know any of the top guys I do know that Othi-chan is stronger than TTGL and the Antispiral. I also know that Aleister and Aiwass are stronger than Othi-chan. Using that logic they should be at the very top.
I agree that there's more than enough Jojo and Index reps but saying that the stands aren't that different from each other and implying that Index have more variety is just retarded.
How come pegasus kouga and sailor moon are both stronger than ssj4 goku, he can literally destroy a galaxy by accident
Freeza had power to destroy a whole planet, and that was back in the namek arc, from there their powers just kept scalating, several of them can explode a planet on a whim by the end of the series
Whatever you say man, I am just pointing out that putting the strongest stand is enough due to the nature of its power and even more so compared to other stands in his own universe.
Then we should put cock on the top. As we all know, girls cannot win against it.
The power to destroy planet is surprisingly little in DB/DBZ universe and was possible even at the beginning of DBZ. And still they kept punching each other and producing small energy blasts that were destroying buildings at best in battles. There's some inconsistency in DB in that regard.
Not really, because "the strongest stand" was bullshit and there's no way that Jotaro can defeat Giorno. Also he lost to Pucci.
>saga can destroy galaxies
except that he can't, that's just the name of his attack and it's not enough to even destroy the building that they're in
shit two Athena Exclamations were just barely enought to destroy the house of virgo
The Milky Way Galaxy is roughly 40 orders above the Earth in terms of volume. Now assuming powerlevels increase incrementally and Frieza is the threshold for planetbusting, there's absolute no way anybody in DBZ can destroy a galaxy.
In terms of raw power, they are.
There are other crazy stands with crazy abilities but those powers would be only fatal to humans.
Say, for example, if Kira makes an explosion right in the face of Goku it wouldn't do anything to him anyway. Even if Anubis at the speed of light would try to cut Kiss-Shot and succes it would be pointless.
Maybe the one who should stop posting is your retarded ass who can't comprehend shit.
Actually you just showder how little you know about stands. Kira doesnt create explosions, he creates bombs. So if Gokus face became a bomb, he would die just like any ordinary human would. Similiarly, he can be spun to infinity by Johnny, reset by Pucci rewritten by Rohan or annihilated by Valentine.
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>Ableism is a form of discrimination or social prejudice against people with disabilities
>being color blind
>bitching at your disability
>implying I'm going to waste time to change shit to accommodate a person inferior.
She's there to give the middle finger to every single fucking annoying Homurafag who wanted her at the top near Demonbane.
I got sick of people's bullshit so she had to go there to just stop discussion.
Also, the Special Tier Homura wouldn't even quality since she can only alter memories from people who know of Madoka and nothing else.
Yet people want her ranked high because of waifu bullshit. Fuck that.
So into the special tier she goes.
The point is that she is supposed to be the weakest because she's shit and she's a good level cap. Which is why Walmart is added.
The only real way to determine powerlevel is if every single author in the world got together and engaged in a Battle Royale deathmatch. Last one still alive will have his character declared the strongest.
Powerlevel charts should be ranked based on what they have done, not what they are (theoretically) capable of. If a character says that he can blow up a planet, or he should be able to do so, but has never actually done so, then his power level shouldn't be that of a man capable of destroying planets.
Fuck that shit, I don't want to associate with that.
Yeah, I'm not touching ORT.
Sakuya is stronger.
Honestly, despite people bitching about her, she used to be a lot higher (near Goku) but was lowered so she seems fine where she is.
Pre-retcon Beyonder is above this list bitches.
He is million times more powerful than the multiverse combined, and can blink out every character on that whole power level chart out of existence. No one can stand up to him and that's objective fact.
Blinking Demonbane out of existence is meaningless, as Demonbane can reconstitute itself from nonexistence. In fact, the vast majority of its Demonbane Athleta Aeternum army has never existed to begin with, it just pulls them straight out of oblivion.
You should just put ORT above arcueid and be done with it.
Also put akame demon form above esdeath.
Any nanatsu no taizai love?
Moar 2hu is required.
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOTas lowest tier.
Flanders is a shit.
Yummydoodoo, Suika, Eirin, Yukari, and Moonbitches are the only contenders.
That being said, A-tier 2hus like flanders, Marisa, or Yuyuko could wipe the majority of the lower half of the chart.
It's really difficult to quantify the effects of Crystal Valley.
Ruling over your own (infectious) laws of physics is interesting, but what does it mean? He's a chess piece on a checkers board. His rules are inexplicable.
>Ultimate Gravion above Genesic GGG
>Ultimate "did nothing notable on my finale except some vaguely near planet scale BS" Gravion
>stronger than "fuck your sun my weaker form chills on stars" GGGG
>LOLMars above the Big O, only powers LOLMars even has is being quality and being essentially as much as a slideshow as JoJo was.
I guess this is a strictly "strenght" powerlevel chart since lots of glass cannons in the top would get fucked by a clean hit from the guys at the bottom. Even then it feels wrong as fuck.
Nevermind the fact that the list somehow puts Pucci above shit he shouldn't be able to touch because how Made in Heaven works, and Yuki Nagato way above what she could normally handle.
there is no proof that aiwass is stronger than a magic god even at best it was credited the strength to bust a planet. crowley just came back from a getting beat by a magic god, it is unknown if it took more than one or if magic gods are equal in power, but until we know crowley's power is in limbo. othinus is less than all powerful but it is not clear where her limits are besides the ones ib forces on her, so placement is once again difficult.
I don't get why Mugen is so high.
She's only a magus mantling Yog-Sothoth and she hasn't shown anything more advanced than warping earth around.
I know we haven't seen everything she can do, but it's pretty heavily implied she couldn't overcome Crow if she didn't possess the soul of Al-Azif, so she's probably more around Yukari's area of power. Power over the laws of a single universe, basically.
But maybe she should be up there as a representation of Yog-Sothoth anyway.
He got retconned by The One Above All, who is the supreme God above all. TOAA is the truly supreme being in the omniverse so it's only natural PR Beyonder be retconned by him. I don't include him in this thread outside this post because he's the supreme being. No need to discuss his power level with anybody else because he's the most powerful fictional character in history.
You can't, since Sakura's powers were what made it a threat in the first place. Her magical affinity has it where she can make an alternate dimension where pretty much anything can happen and time holds no meaning, see the bad ends. Those are her powers, not Angra Mainyu's.
Nasu just happens to hold her back in the same way as Kamachi does with Index, where she can only exhibit her powers in specific plot driven times or with severe handicaps to keep it from being too broke. In Nasu's case, he makes it so that Sakura can't normally function like most magi can, and trying to do so makes her blacken. So her power is often used for jokes and such.
There was a Hispanic magus who has much her same element, and exhibits the same powers of using it as pocket dimension in some side story pulled from TM's now defunct mobile site.
In case you didn't know, this chart started with Index. The original chartfag basically took the Index powerlevel chart at that time (I think more than a year has passed), removed the bottom tiers, and then filled it with characters from various other franchises.
>can override Imagine Breaker
No. Nothing can "override" IB. It will just take longer to negate. Also, self-regnerating or self-renewing stuff will get destroyed immediately. Only those being generated/renewed by an outside source/entity will be able to last.
it wasn't the index fanbase it was the people who got drawn into index powerlevels by "how do we kill accelerator" threads. those threads were largely carried by people who don't give a crap about the series.
Kars is strong as fuck, but both his offensive and defensive capabilities are entirely limited to the "physical" realm. Ant sort of magic or reality warping fuck him in the ass.
kars is held back by the unknown limitations of his evolution. if araki showed up and said kars can be any living creature AND could do their non genetic feats like stands or the special shit that pops in these threads he would be a force to be reckoned with.
also the lava was about to kill him
Looks like you've never head of IB. Protip: it's limit lies in its negation speed, not on how "powerful" something is. The same idea applies to all powers that act on concepts and are not limited by your standard DBZ "my punch/laser/speed is stronger/bigger/instant" powerlevels.
It can wipe out all life on the planet by itself, it can kill all humans with speed equaling or surpassing a beast specifically designed to be able to slaughter them, it's invincible outside of Mercury without hax skills to physically destroy its body (and even then, it still isn't dead because it doesn't have that concept), and all its stats are higher than anything else on planet earth (able to kill a Servant-level being in an instant).
I agree mostly, except Kiss Shot. She rekt a continent just jumping from one point to another, she needs to be WAY higher.
Only two are added.
reimu beat everyone and Yukari has her border manipulation that is OP but since she had problems teleporting from the moon, she was greatly lowered.
Some still bitch that she should be lowered but meh.
That doesn't really apply when the whole point of IB is that it has no limits, since it's not a supernatural power in the first place. IB is an object that serves as a savepoint for the Universe and cannot be supernaturally altered in any way even by the setting's equivalent of an Omnipotent God. This is stated outright.
Two or three tiers above Arc, below anything that can physically destroy a planet.
It's pretty impossible to compare strength between them because they are so different in function. It's also not the strongest of them either.
We don't know where ORT stands exactly. Add Kiara and BB instead.
Negi is much more broken, and we still dont know how Koro sensei did that. We just know about his speed but besides that, theres no trace of massive strenght or even a beam. The moon looks like it got hit by a power beam from Earth.
>we don't know if he did it
A lot of people have birched about that ehich is why he was lowered. He used to be at Reimu's level but was greatly lowered even though he's still near midtier. I'm tempted to just outright remove him but I don't think it's a good idea.
Where would BB or Kiara stand?
I'm still not convinced to and ORT.
He doesn't need to be removed, he's got a lot of good feats, but the only one he has that places him anywhere near as high as he is is unconfirmed so he really should be lowered.
But Kiara can destroy a planet while Aristotles destroyed continents at most in Notes.
No point to the powerlevel chart if you don't put at least the top tiers of eachfranchise.
Something related: Anime Arceus is laughably weak compared to the games, why is it that high? Either remove it or replace it with Dialga/Palkia/Giratina, which are actually universal+ tier
Doesn't need to be top tiers from each franchise, it's not a dick waving contest, the most recognizable ones work fine so that it's easily recognizable what sort of tiers go where
She grows up to planet size and the description of her attack states Bodhisattvas rule over entire solar systems, so she is potentially way above planet level. Fate/Extra legends are all stated to become real so we know it's not hyperbole and can be taken at face value.
>But Kiara can destroy a planet while Aristotles destroyed continents at most in Notes.
The Aristoteles never tried to destroy the planet.
Heck, Type-Venus was going to consume earth's remains and make it Venus 2, so at least one of them actively didn't want the destruction of the planet.
Kiara and BB fought the Origin Servants who went back from the edge of the galaxy after Kiara flung them there in a few of minutes. Kiara can grow to planet size and has control over the combined energy of all the worldd lust which she can channel into a physical and spiritual attack. BB has a move which erases the target from existence along with the dimension, even characters with resistance to her power (i.e Origin Servants) get erased by it.