Are these the best shows in the genre of the decade?
Precure can be pretty good. It's not one show but a metaseries like Digimon or Kamen Rider, meaning that the people they pick changes each year.
And es, a children's show CAN indeed be better than a show aimed at adults since, for example, Saikon no Qwaser has pretty shit writing but manages to sell itself via fanservice.
Which isn't WRONG, mind you, but that doesn't mean it's better than a children's show, just because it's aimed at adults.
Does that make sense to you?
Dunno, Prism Illya isn't that good. I second the ones saying you should put in Heartcatch, though PMMM is okay despite being way, way overhyped and having some glaring issues.
These shows are not representative of the genre at all.
>a show has to be deep/mature or pander to my virgin neckbeard status to be good
Top fucking kek. Not even one of those shows are a good example of the genre to begin with. If only a studio would just make a pure mahou shoujo instead of inserting some shitty gimmick or lewdness. There hasn't been a good, real mahou shoujo for years outside of the Precure outliers.
Mahou Shoujo thread time? What's a show that combines singing and magical girls? I already watched Moonlight o Sagashite and Symphogear.
What's wrong with the follow up seasons?
> remove Nanoha
I think the best show in the magical girl genre of the last decade is Pretty Rhythm Aurora Dream with a perfect balance of drama, comedy, and romance.
You mean you haven't watched Mermaid Melody? Happiness Charge Precure has some singing but it's nowhere near the main focus of the show. Aikatsu is an idol show that's also a mahou shoujo if you overreach.
Symphogear has what I would call a gimmick, too, and they're both not very good.
I think YuYuYu is a decent example, from this decade at least.
>Actually spends time characterizing each girl
>Character interactions are meaningful and pay off when the girls start to rely on each other
>Spends time building tension and human emotions
>The girls solution to a daunting revelation is to help each other
Is it really a mahou shoujo?
awful CG that is worse than starting-level Aikatsu! in places.
Seriously, what does Illya add other than chuuni Nasu segments and LOL SO FUNNY gay moments that never lead anywhere?
While Nanoha is derived from Eroge, calling it a parody is overstretching the term near its breaking point, in my humble opinion.
>Seriously, what does Illya add other than chuuni Nasu segments and LOL SO FUNNY gay moments that never lead anywhere?
Get to the Drei manga, it really steps up it's game there.
>Happiness Charge Precure is better than Heartcatch.
> onee-san becomes Ricebot within three episodes of introduction
> romance plot that ends with a complete reset
> love triangle
> utterly idiotic deity that basically kicked off the issues on its own
> terrible, TERRIBLE superforms
> bland art style in general
> completely non-notable music with some exceptions
> outside of Pink and Blue, the voice cast is extremely bland
> boring finishers
> character chemistry gets worse as time goes on
I really, really can't see eye to eye with you on this, anon.
What the hell are you talking about? Pretty Rhythm's CG is light years ahead of Aikatsu. It's not until the second and third seasons that Aikatsu even competes.
You're going to honestly tell me that this
Is worse than this?
That is truly absurd.
>How does Precure even have a western fanbase?
Because it's got close ties to the Kamen Rider, Sentai and Digimon fanbases and has been organizing itself via
Livejournalsince before 4chan really became aware of it.
>Don’t forget worst animated Precure of all time.
Fresh called, they say if you stop stealing their credit they're gonna fuck you up. You just think it looks worse because the designs just don't allow for any further degradation of visuals without sticking out; It's basically got the opposite issue of HC, which was highly QUALITY-resistant due to its super deformed style.
>You don’t like Brazilian hookers?
> It’s like you’re not watching Precure with your dick at all.
That's irrelevant because I consider the hooker look to be not arousing at all. So even if I wanted to fap to that, I couldn't, because I consider it a turn-off on all levels.
>While Nanoha is derived from Eroge, calling it a parody is overstretching the term near its breaking point
It was blatantly a parody in it's first incarnation.
The actual spinoff anime did get darker and more serious and the producers decided to embrace the genre instead of lampoon it.
It could have just as easily turned out like Pretty Sammy and other earlier mahou shoujo parody spinoffs but they decided to make it darker.
Yuuna was way too boring to be on the same level as Madoka and Nanoha.
It always felt like they've been trying to get the same feelings across as in Madoka, but always ended with a mediocre alternative. Especially the sudden happy ending and continuation of the whole system were unsatisfying.
>The actual spinoff anime did get darker and more serious and the producers decided to embrace the genre instead of lampoon it.
Well, that's the one I was talking about.
Huh. Must be misremembering then. What I do know is that PR and RL are among the best CG I've seen outside of, say, Ufotable production or some western things with literally billions behind it.
Takara Tommy are good people.
It seems like these 3 will be long lasting franchise.
Madoka seems like it reached the end of the line after Rebellion.
Too focused on its average plot, only develops its two worst girls, muh self-loathing and despair, muh left-field twists and shocking developments, basically only good for its music and Inu Curry visuals.
>Madoka seems like it reached the end of the line after Rebellion.
Is it just me or does the whitehaired girl to the left look like a mix of Leo from DogDays and werewolf flatty from Horizon?
These. Not to mention the "DEEP ROMANCE" everyone keeps sperging about is worse than the awkward story of a nerd who fell for the prom queen because she smiled at him once. Homura and Madoka are both pathetic, hollow shells that are somehow forced as having a LOVE STORY TO TRANSCEND FATE or some vapid bullshit like that.
All interesting characters are either support, die early and/or got character assassinated in the movies.
>Show main problem is that it didn't know what the FUCK it wanted to be. Bokurano/Early Gundam-style /edge or moderately dark SoL or slightly-darker Heartcatch or Madoka with cards. It's 1/5th tone and 4/th lack of consistency.
EP12 ruined that, though. They could have kept the awesomeness rivaling Madoka's witch system and the goddess ending if they'd resolved the god war in some way, but ignoring all that happened in ep 12 and pulling a good end for the girls and no solution for everything else was not a good follow up.
Replace Prisma with a better show and I'll agree
This shit is from reddit isn't it?
Yep it is
As expected, and this list is pure bullshit too
Don't it have a sequel announced though? I'm pretty sure I saw some piece of news about that somewhere
Because the follow up is month and probably years away.
They promised more animated YuYuYu if the series continues to receive support, so no confirmation yet but as long as people are buying the side material then another anime will be coming soon enough.
Forgot to mention but WaSuYu is the prequel series about Togo's previous team, so it gives you extra insight on Togo and the bedridden girl as well as how the world and system used to be. Worth the read as well.
I wasn't counting other works sourrounding the franchise though, I just think Madoka and Nanoha have a way better anime content than Yuuna or Ilya as magical girl series so far.
Counting other works in would give all those people ranting about shallow characters and stuff a hard time, for example Madoka's characters have way more background story and depth added with the drama cds and The Different Story.
they're not any worse than the assholes hating Madoka because it's popular. While Madoka has some flaws it also has a lot of good things.
Problem is here on /a/, you're only allowed to talk about stuff (specially if it's popular) by poiting out and exaggerating it's flaws like it doesn't have anything good.
If you only point out a show's flaws and can't see the good, you're np different from those who blindly praise a show.
Eh, it's an okay story with pretty nice characters seen from a different side compared to "normal" Fate works and all right fight scenes.
Plus you get used to lolibutts kinda fast.
It's obviously not a DEEP MEANINGFUL manga/show, but it never tried to be that.
>they're not any worse than the assholes hating Madoka because it's popular.
I really dislike the implication that I'm not allowed to hate on something just so I won't appear hipster. It's a very unproductive way of doing discourse because it makes popular works essentially untouchable.
I like certain things about Madoka and loved live-watching it, but it's very, very flawed and also not at all representative of the genre. After a while, it gets tiring having the same accusation flung at you each time.
Do you get what I mean?
But it also has a lot of good stuff. Problem is, people like you think they're smarter for thinking that shows are shit because of their flaws and being unable to enjoy the good stuff. You probably think anyone who can enjoy the good despite the flaws must be intellectually inferior to you, when you aren't any smarter for hating the show for it's flaws despite the good stuff it has
Haruhi, PSG, Madoka, Gurren Lagann, Bake and FLCL are still well liked and popular, because they are reasonably good.
Diebuster, Death Note and Geass were fucking shit, and once retards who liked them left or developed actual taste they got justly shat upon.
In short, if a show is awful people will shit all over it after the initial hype is over.
This makes no sense, anon. I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve, quite honestly.
Well, it's not the most informative post but he's saying -in an argumentative manner- why he dislikes it so... yea.
and I dislike the implications that Madoka's flaws are so bad they override the good. You aren't any smarter for pointing out flaws and calling something shit than those who blindly praise a show. Blind hate is as bad as blind praise
>people don’t like it because it’s shit
That’s precisely what I was trying to achieve. If you go against a very popular opinion, you have to do a little better than that to not come off like just another troll. If that means a series is untouchable for you, that might mean that you don’t have a lot of valid points to make in the first place.
Nobody is blindly hating. Just because the flaws make a show mediocre doesn't mean anyone is calling it WORST THING EVER WITH NOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooo REDEEMING QUALITIES. Or at least I am not; Not sure about the others.
Anyways, kinda sad this topic had to go this way. Guess it's time to close the tab and wait for the next magical girl general.
but diebuster was awful. it had the most annoying lead in a long time, it had retarded story, retarded themes and only aimed for big explosions and yelling.
the only thing that was good about it was animation.
ttgl managed to be just as over the top and mostly about yelling really loud, but it was at least enjoyable to watch and didn't make you want to strangle someone.
it was entertaining and I loved it. Blind hate of certain shows doesn't give you better taste than blind praise of certain shows, so stop acting like you're superior to people who love Geass because you hate it
Retarded magical girl parody with toilet humor
Arguably as good as Diebuster
Pinnacle of what's wrong with LN adaptations
Mediocre love letter to the super robo genre
well, I loved it and don't see a lot of stuff that was done wrong to call it mediocre. I guess it's because I prefer to be positive and look for the good side of stuff rather than being embittered and looking for flaws to call stuff mediocre or bad
Madoka's QUALITY is on the TV airings , though.
You should check the BDs
also, call me when Shaft get as bad as what Toei did with World Trigger (those constant pauses forced me to drop the show)
so? I'm not looking to make a perfectly logical argument in a place where most people's responses to different tastes is some form "faggot, you have shit taste"
/a/ is full of ad hominem
Once a show is old enough, the hate stops because for one thing nostalgia kicks in and for another it simply gives less hipster cred because the show itself gets less and less popular with newfags, it gets oldfag appeal, so to speak. It’s not all the rage with newfags any more, it instead becomes something you probably must have seen to be worthy of being considered “old”. Gurren Lagann got there, Geass is starting to get there and Madoka will be there too.
And stuff like Bakemonogatari never had real mainstream appeal, its popularity among certain demographics still gets it a reasonable amount of hate, but it definitely will be what people will circlejerk over in 20 years, oh how good it was, such a gem, so artistic, how dare you hate it, such a pleb.
>there is not le epic action in Precure
Well, there was Heartcatch at least, and it looks like they found a few pennies for at least the first episode of GoPri.
The thing about Gurren Lagann is that it hides most of it's flaws well. It never deserved the praise it got when it aired, but it doesn't deserve the hate either. It's overall a good show, and the same is true for Madoka.
I know this show wasn't that good but it surely wasn't that bad either, it had some good episodes. Its just sad to not see it being mentioned
>Heartcatch fights have much better coreography and animation than Mami vs Homura in Rebellion.
not the anon you replied to, but forgive for finding it very hard to believe your post
There are actually people in this thread that think Precure is better than Madoka.
Is there no hype for the Ginax magic girls show next season? Houkago no Pleiades
It seems like it could actually be a good magical girls show.
So what? Are you saying that no-one should be allowed to call your shit show mediocre? Can you prove that Madoka is objectively good or something?
>crimes against humanity
That's fucking stupid, calling a show mediocre = crime against humanity according to you?
>best mahou shoujo
it's not that. it's that I'm tired of people listing minor flaws and acting like they make the show shit or mediocre, when there's a lot of good stuff that overrides the flaws and make it good.
Also, "objectively good" is retarded, because "good" itself is something very subjective, so nothing can be ojectively good or objectively bad. And what I said is that Madoka's flaws are made to be bigger than they actually are. The "crimes against humanity" stuff was an exaggeration of how people treat Madoka's flaws.
Bad madoka clone with terrible pacing and directing
First 3 season (2 movies) are good. ViViD is shit.
Only good thing on that list is Madoka.
>there will never be another anime as epic as Madoka
Madoka itself is a bad Mai-HiME clone by your same standards, retard
>Prillya is lolicon pandering
You can only say that if you haven't read the manga. The pandering stops in Drei
Not really, if you've read the first part and 2wei then you know enough not to get hopelessly confused in 3rei.
You won't catch on stuff instantly like Fatefags do, but there's nothing there that can really confuse you except for Gil's shota body and pretend pro wrestling.
Yukikaze is better mahou shoujo than most girls in this show.
And she is fucking whore.
>most girls in this thread
Also, Lili is still the best.
Magical girls with a twist (the truth of the contracts in Madoka. the HiMEs having to fight each other and the truth of what happens when a Child is lost in Mai-HiME), one of them being a lesbian obsessed with one of the mains (Homura with Madoka, Shizuru with Natsuki) , and a kind of "asspull" happy ending.
also, the "mentors" (Nagi and Kyubey) having secret agendas and speaking in half truths most of the time
To some, a lolibutt or a scene of two little girls kissing appearing every now and then in the manga is a crime against humanity and pandering overload.
Like seriously, there's plenty fanservice in the first one and 2wei but it's not like the butts jump at you from every page.
>asspull happy ending
We obviously didn't watch the show.
Why is this one guy so desperate to make people think Illya isn't shit?
He been scream "READ DREI!!" the whole thread almost.
Illya is a shit tier magic girl series and is only good to fatefags and people who like superficial yuri. Because let's be real, everyone knows they want to fuck Shiro, no matter how much yuri pandering they put into the show.
Except that YuYuYu drama was actually good. Not that Mai Hime wasn’t entertaining, it just had the usual Sunrise effect on me that I hated basically any character and looked forward to them dying.
You can’t imagine how mad I was at the end.
They only people that mindlessly shit on Illya are the ones who haven't read Drei, it's simple logic.
>Only good to fatefags
So then it still good then isn't it, in the chart it stays. It just has some prerequisites for maximum enjoyment but non-fatefags have been enjoying it.
And also only 3 of those are mine.
Thanks for being so honest about how you wouldn't lie over the internet, but it's obviously you. Because each post amounts to the same thing. And that's a pathetic attempt to get people to read Drei. There's no substance at all to any of those posts. And it's very unlikely that there would be multiple people stupid enough to make posts like that.
Literally everyone who died is brought back to life, the big bad dies, 100% happy end
Witches are defeated and Homu is freed from the time loop, but other than that nothing really changes, Homu and Madoka are still separated and Sayaka still dies, bittersweet ending
>not terrible pandering garbage
>ever accepting Rebellion as canon
>Rebellion is canon.
here . have a lazy screencap that proves you're full of shit
Like it matters.
Her wish already got preempted by Homu's wish.
As it is the Madoka franchise is over. I doubt Gen will ever return to write another sequel.
Seems like he became such a big shot and such hot property that he cares more about his own project right now.
Mai’s rage is stupid as fuck in comparison and Shizuru’s a fucking rapist. The drama in YuYuYu is character focused and in case of Yellow even just an act committed in the heat of passion, something to develop her character, as opposed to something that’s supposed to drive the story.
The characters themselves are also very different. People in Sunrise anime generally are horrible people or at least extremely annoying one way or another. That the whole plot of Mai Hime (the second half, the one that’s pure garbage) revolves solely around people bitching at each other due to misunderstandings or them just being plain assholes doesn’t really help this either.
I'm not the anon who originally mentioned that but its true, the yuyuyu fags always mention the difference between the "hot blooded" Yuna and Madoka to defend the show but if you change those two they have no argument at all
>Did Precure actually have a decent fight in it?
This is nothing new.
To be fair, they didn’t exactly cover themselves with glory in the last years and that’s one of maybe three scenes where HaCha actually had animation. The first episode of GoPri is already better than anything HaCha had.
But the fights are pretty nice, the stupid-ass humor can be entertaining at times and the art isn't bad. Even when it escalates into parallel worlds and shit it still manages to remain somewhat coherent no matter if it's your first time reading anything Fate or not.
Sure, it's not a MASTERPIECE but it's by no means bad.
And a peek into a world where small cup got to not become a tool is nice for people who happen to like the cup enough to wonder what would happen if.
VPNs extentsions don't actually work on 4chan, turn it on and 4chan won't let you post as it says proxies are banned.
Diebuster isn't bad. It hardly even gets shit on nowadays except when anyone dares to enjoy it mure than Gunbuster.
All of it's negative traits such as over the top fanservice and plot inconstancy is more than enough to show it's bad.
And again, all the lesbian baiting to appeal to the fetishshits.
There are easy ways around this, and you know it.
But the fanservice isn't over the top at all. It's not like you're brutally attacked by supple little girl bodies every 2 minutes. The yuri undertones don't even happen often outside of Kuro's mana transfers, and in most cases get turned into a joke instead of LOOK AT CUTE GIRLS KISSING EACH OTHER.
And what plot inconsistency, exactly?
Don't respond to him, he's either baiting, in denial, an stupid hardcore hater or all three at the same time.
I realized it after he started saying I'm the same person as another one just because we happen to agree that Drei is when Prisma gets good
Random make-out scenes that serve no purpose at all isn't fanservice?
>yuri undertones don't even happen often outside of Kuro's mana transfers
Not true at all. Because there's all the other scenes, like where the older girl kisses Illya in the bath.
Oh yeah, and all the bath scenes, too. And them getting half naked for no reason. Like Kuro sleeping half naked over Shiro's head.
On and on and on.
>Because all your posts have literally no substance at all. It's not really common to be that stupid.
It's okay from the start. Obviously not everyone will like it in the first part and 2wei because it's mostly generic mahou shoujo, but it does that part well and manages to entertain. And when it escalates it doesn't go full retard which is pretty refreshing.
>mahou shoujo expert coming through
I don't know why people like you bother to voice your opinions, they are fucking meaningless. You are literally shitting from you keyboard onto the page.
Well I'd imagine coming after hacha would make pretty much anything look good.
That said I'm really enjoying gopri and the designs are a huge step up from hacha. My biggest gripe so far is a the return to frills over spats under the skirt for every cure bar mermaid.
But that kiss is a joke. Pretend pro-wrestling, remember? Other few times are maiden rape assault, Illya's three stooge friends and then all yuri comes from Kuro's mana transfers.
Kuro sneaking out to molest Shirou fits her character since she's the outgoing part of Illya. And those scenes just like all other fanservice parts don't even happen that often. It's definitely not on say, Nise level of fanservice amount.
But I understand it might be too much for some people.
I tried not to post screencaps, but you stil shot me down because I agree with other people about Drei being when Prisma gets really good (which is pretty much a shared sentiment amonst the Prisma manga readers) , and sorry for being Spanish and needing VPN to watch GBF Try episodes as soon as they come out on Youtube because the rips usually take several hours to come out
Really, go back and read your own posts.
They are far from baseless when each post is is nothing but "read drei!" That's all your posts consisted of. Maybe if you added some reasons and justification it wouldn't be so obvious.
Fuck off. no matter how hard you try, there's more than one dude who told you to read Drei (and I was one of them) and that's the truth. If you don't wanna believe it , that's your own fucking problem
Not even then, but looking at the screen shots one is using Hola VPN while the other is using ZenMate VPN, one is using Chrome and the other is using Firefox.
I wish all of you would just stop as this is just retarded.
It doesn't matter if the kiss is a joke or not.
All the yuri in the series is a joke, because they all really want Shiro anyway. In order for the kiss to qualify as fanservice it just as to be there. The scene is yuri for yuri's sake, nothing but fetish appeal. Everything you said just fits into what I said. That all those scenes are there for fanservice. They have no solid reason for happening.
the moron here is you , here's an screencap of my desktop. Tell where I have Firefox
Just stop replying twice.
Doesn't make the yuri anyless of a joke.
Because while none of the yuri attraction is explicit their attraction to Shiro is.
I didn't reply twice. Because there's one than more person arguing with you, but you don't wanna admit it
Holy shit, Mortadelo and Filemon are smarter than you, that's how stupid you are
So does everyone know about the upcoming Magical Suite Prism Nana by SHAFT? Any hype for it?
Watching you do this, I can't believe I actually used to be new enough to keep trying to convince the person. Just consider, you are currently wasting your time by getting frustrated at trying to convince some fat neckbeard on the other side of the planet of who you are. You could be watching anime, or masturbating or even sleeping would be a better use of your time, even taking fluff out of your bellybutton.
Yup, and yuri foreplay before they have sex with a dude is real yuri, too. You have a point there.
Something that crass and low brow would never happen in the nasuverse. Oh wait, it was actually a plot point in the Fate route.
nice photoshop skills retard. I don't even know why you're so desperate. Is more than one person agreeing on something (in this case, Drei being where Prisma gets good) such a shock to you.
Holy Demonbane, how can one human be so stupid?
Him trying so hard to prove isn't actually all the proof you need to know he is.
Newfags try to abuse anonymity to enforce their opinion with numbers, then get mad when they make it obvious what they're doing and people catch it.
>before they have sex with a dude is real yuri,
Like this is ever going to happen. He is just there for Fatefags to jerk off to. He is a total joke, which becomes obvious when even the guys start lusting for his D.
The relationship between the girls is what counts.
Some of them flesh out a character a tiny bit. Other are pure fanservice. It's a pretty standard thing.
And nothing that horrible or show-breaking unless someone just hates any form of fanservice and mild yuri undertones.
It's not a deep, meaningful manga/show, and it doesn't even pretend. But claiming it's 90% fanservice and full of rampant yuri is just wrong.
Little girls develop somewhat romantic feelings towards their older brothers quite often, anon. All it takes is for the brother to be nice to them and give them attention. It's the same in real life.
It doesn't need to happen, I was just giving you an example to prove that girls kissing != yuri.
And you say that like the yuri isn't there just for yurifags to jerk off to.
The fanservice is pretty show-breaking even if we excluded the yuri.
Stupid things like mood whiplash swapping between a serious scene, and then having Illya grab Gil by his shota dick.
And the yuri undertones are not the problem. It's the glaring yuri-service overtones when they are blatantly straight.
>And you say that like the yuri isn't there just for yurifags to jerk off to.
Of course it is. The whole manga is filled with pandering. Even pissing is in it.
What i am saying is that nobody will ever get together with him and the end will focus on the relationship of the girls, not some rather unimportant sidecharacter.
Notice how I'm talking to another person right now who is actually trying to support his point about the series with examples and reasoning?
That's how I know he's not you.
Two other people, actually.
Yes, but getting together or not doesn't change the fact the yuri is fake because they're all straight. The relationship between the girls is one of "fake yuri closeness for pander purposes". It's not a real relationship.
I'll give you Sella , but Sakura doesn't matter because she just showed up in a side chapter. If we're gonna count someone as minor as Sakura we as well count Issei and the older sister of one of Illya's friends
Even if that were true, and it's really not, because Miyu wants the alternate universe onii-chan D, Illya is still glaringly straight.
True, but that's not what's happening here.
And they show know sign of really turning gay seeing as how whenever Illya is around Shiro she goes all dere dere.
I find the blatant car references/advertising kind of amusing for now, but I can see it getting a bit too silly eventually. It's not like this is the first time a car company was involved with a full length anime series such as Rinne_no_Lagrange, but with RnL, I wouldn't have guessed that Nissan designed the mechs if I didn't already know beforehand. That type of advertisement was kind of neat (the tourism advertisement was a completely different matter and was by far the show's biggest problem).
I don't get what's so great about failing to do a high jump.
They should be laughing at him, not wanting to ride his dick.
That's why you always train in private. So you can then come across as a total bad ass who does things without working hard for them.
what I wanted to say is that most of Shirou's harem is minor characters and only 3 of the mains can be said to have an interest in him
Shirou's harem in prisma serves no purpose other than a joke of how he was a harem MC in F/SN
Agree with this and OP. Wouldn't mind adding a season of Precure to that list either.
Very disappointed with the Precure fanbase in this thread though. I watched and enjoyed a few seasons and hung out in the threads for about half a year, but it always surprises me how aggressive and belligerent some of them can be.
Yuuki Yuuna wa Yuusha de Aru is so incomparably superior to those other 3 its not even funny. Madoka is 1-dimensional characters and contrived suffering for the sake of drama, Fate/Kaleid is pure fanservice, and Nanoha is just a typical mahou shoujo. To even compare them to the masterpiece that is YuYuYu is an insult to everything the Yuushas fought for.
Madoka is the only work with artistic depth and value there, others are insipid garbage for neckbeards. Just goes to show how shit this whole genre truly is when a mediocre work is a breath of fresh air.