Why did the quality of Anime go to shit in the 90s? It's never recovered since.
The 80s were literally perfect.
At the time it did honestly. A good example of this is Zeta Gundam (late 80s detailed artwork but shit animation) and Gundam F91 (early 90s, some of the artwork is not as detailed but the animation is wonderfully fluid). Sadly some time afterwards studios seemed to tend to the worst of both worlds.
The funny thing is that the dude who made this browses /m/ and he's embarrassed to hell and back that he actually made these. He seems to be able to take being the butt of a joke though, so good on him. Not many can handle the banter.
What a massive cringe thread, you weaboo
It's a shame Otaking deleted all his old "LOOK AT THE ANIME SHADING!" charts, they were hilarious. It's rare to see such blind ignorance and nostalgia faggotry.
Hey look, I found Otaking's favorite Gundam
I actually agree with this guy. but the reason why anime doesn't look very as good as it did is because there's less money to spend on animation. different times, different ways to use money.
it really makes me mad when people say the old art styles look bad because they're so used to the new ones.
Actually anime today doesn't use 80s OVA levels of shading because they want to focus on the animation. Most of the examples Otaking posted were from moneyshots, highly detailed stills that didn't move, or had very little movement.
Anime is still considered for nerds and losers in Japan. But there's just a market for that niche over there. Tell anyone in Japan that you watch any anime that isn't ghibli or primetime stuff then they're going to judge you just as much as most people in the west would.
it's not as much for nerds as you think it is, it's just not "everyone watches it" tier. And the whole "anime has better production values because it's not targeted at children" still stands
It's an economic thing, right?
In the 80's japan was doing gang-busters and their economy was booming, everyone was happy as fuck and probably still having a bunch of kids too. Then the 90's went to shit, the Japs even call it "The Lost Decade" or something like that because they were hit with a terrible economic crisis that effected most of south-east Asia.
So I assume there was lots of money to be thrown around in the '80s and in the '90s everyone was depressed and poor instead.
I wasn't a big fan of Trowa, but Heavyarms was the baddest motherfucker. That nigger was as American as Gundam Maxter. Damn thing could have started and finished a medium sized war before having to reload.
if you watched those shows at your age for the first time you'd probly think they're "just kids shows" which they are. you're only saying they're good because you watched them at the age you were supposed to watch, but in the end they're just kids shows
I only watched Samurai Jack for the first time in 2009, it's a pretty good show and can be enjoyed by people older than the intended audience.
Shame we'll never see it finished though, oh well.
As gorgeous as the still shots are, even shaft's laziest slideshows have better animation than that these days.
Courage the Cowardly Dog is still good in the way Looney Toons is still good. It took the slapstick comedy and visual gags of older Western animation and combined it with the growing surge of sentimentality in animation the 90s helped usher in (in part due to the prevalence of anime). It's kind of like watching the end of an era.
no it wasn't their fault, it effected the entire region. I forget what caused it but it was some international monetary high-jinks that back fired and fucked all of Asia but left the rest of the world unaffected which is why you don't hear about it too often.
My dad was a Naval Officer at the time and he loved it because it made basically everything in Japan, Singapore, and Taiwan cheap as fuck and the STRONK American dollar could basically get you whatever he wanted.
I'm supposed to like stuff with an actual story development and character development. medium for kids doesn't have that because it would be to complicated for them. just look at old cartoons, they're always comedy shows with very simple humor
But 4/5 of those cartoons are better than 5/5 of those anime?
stuff like dr katz, south park, even early simpsons convinced people that to be funny on TV and get an audience, it wasn't important to have good drawings. these type of shows are constantly appearing.
and you have to be critical of anime to some degree, that even though the art is nice, there's hardly any experimentation, while the west is the opposite. its mostly experimentation with little regard for quality.
And now time for some Richard ''Forced Animation'' Williams autism.
I knew this day would come.
How's your first week on 4chan?
You seem a tad insecure, don't you have homework to be doing?
>cherry picked stills
>muh old anime
God how boring
>Comparing ova with TV anime, ever
Get over it, new anime is better if you compare old TV anime with new TV anime and movies with movies, don't let you get over yourself just because you watched few titles selected or even made for western audience in the past, those were and are just the minority of anime as whole.
I'll never forgive YotsubaC for ruining K-On threads for everyone. Same with Uidrew and Komeiji.
Not that I disagree with your attempted point of western animation, in general, being shittier than anime - but that's a poor image to make the argument with.
Only one of the "anime" examples is a television series, the rest are movies or OVAs which have significantly higher budgets and timeframes to work with.
None of the "western" examples are movies/specials.
>significantly higher budgets
We can play that game too
>Not being idort master race
You're missing out on a whole lot of quality titles by just closing yourself off to shows from the 90s/80s, or only wanting to watch anime from the year 2000 onwards.
>I'm supposed to like stuff with an actual story development and character development
>not liking cute girls doing cute things
>not liking healing anime
>not liking old cartoons because they're for kids
Well, I guess that confirms my conjecture.
many of the cute girls doing cute things shows actually have a plot or character development unless it's something really bad. you're still a shit eater if you're trying to justify watching kid's shows
Yeah, look at that amazing 80s quality.
>I'm supposed to like stuff with an actual story development and character development. medium for kids doesn't have that because it would be to complicated for them.
Lots of kids shows had stuff like this. Just look at stuff from the DC Animated universe like Batman TAS or Batman Beyond. Hell even
Avatarhad all that stuff.
Clearly anime is better now than ever before!
>Golgo 13 movie
>Urusei Yatsura movie
>Dr Slump movie
That was a great year.
It does look a lot better than before. Remember all of the horrible looking anime that came out in early 00s when they were just starting to using CGI? You don't get QUALITY like that nowadays.
Do any of you have trouble getting into older anime? I seem to have several problems with what I've seen so far. First of all, to me a big problem is the lack of good adult-oriented series. This doesn't even mean R-rated series, just ones aimed at adults (like Mushishi is seinen but is rated 13+). The are very few series like this, so it's mainly OVAs and films, which are incredibly gory and edgy most of the time, I mean stuff like genocyber, cyber city Oedo, wicked city were just a drag to watch when you compare them to newer stuff. There are some more adult oriented series like captain harlock or fist of the north star, but those are rather cheesy and really uneven. I must admit, some mecha series stand out here, but you usually have to wait for half the series to pass so it abandons the quirky humor and characterization (gundam, patlabor).
The children series are a whole different matter, I remember I watched many of them on public tv like cities of gold, treasure island, moomins and so on. But when I watched other stuff which didn't hold nostalgic value to me it usually turned out to be rather mediocre.
Overall there are a few things worth note, I mean ghibli movies (Nausicaa especially), Patlabor movies, a few Gundam series, Votoms or Logh. But I can easily understand that people can find more stuff to enjoy from the first half o the 00s and on wards.
tl;dr version: Post 2000 anime is better than pre 2000 anime.
There may be some quality differences.
But you may also be suffering from perception bias.
You simply know fewer pre-2000 shows, and those you know are what was mostly popularized in the west as kid's shows. And with post-2000 shows you're ignoring all the shit that airs each season because with torrents and season preview charts we have a very easy time to pick up everything that remotely matches our interests and ignore the rest.
and here we can see someone with no sense of humor killing themselves slowly
Most western cartoons have big budgets, but they don't expend it only in animation, voices and marketing take a big part of the budget too, specially popular cartoons like adventure time, regular show, gravity falls etc.
Also cartoons looks worse because they sacrifice detail over fluidity, tv anime most of the time are composed of still scenes of characters talking, in cartoons characters never stop moving and making gestures.
>upload to imgur
Y'know, I've been wondering this for a little while now; I remember Komeiji from quite some time ago as an obnoxious tripfag, but I took a break from 4chan somewhere around 2010 and came back a couple years later to see the pizza-faced bastard is on a fucking banner now. Did something in particular happen or was he just a notoriously autistic waifufag?
i fuckin wish ergo proxy was that emo chick and the gay robot goin around solving mysteries and shit. still liked it but it was a little disappointing being different from what i expected
Didn't feel like cropping on this slow ass laptop.
Thanks bud, now I have something to watch tonight. Anyone have a chart for 80s ovas they could drop so I can mass torrent them?
Notoriously autistic tripfag and waifufag. Got personally offended if someone said that Azusa wasn't the best K-On and always swooped into threads to defend K-On or Moé. This of course lead to people baiting him and he took it every single time, it got to the point where many people who hated K-On would often just shittalk it in a K-On thread just so he'd show up and ruin the thread for everyone.
2010 was a shit year for /a/ in general with all the accel spam.
Guess I picked a good time to duck out then, thanks for the explanation. I do remember the spammer though, at first he was shitposting jumbled up letters then moved on to random non-sequiturs, I think. Dark times those were.
About when did Komeiji stop posting? Did he get bullied too hard?
I wish I could tell ya for certain, I had to duck out of /a/ for a while myself. But I assume that he finally had enough and left. K-Ons thread quality has increased 2000% ever since he departed.
I remember when he got betrayed by the guy who maintained his spam program, it was just like my japanese NTR doujins. Also his overly defensive nature that came up when someone called him autistic was hilarious.
>giving a shit about what year things came out and 'shading' rather than wanting to look for quality stuff
The only 'heavy shading' was only in OVAs, which could construct their budgets better. Other than that, most things looked like pic related, kind of flat.
Damn right they won't. I have never seen a girl with such an unquenchable thirst for cock as Slutzusa. That kitty sure loves her milk.
He then stayed on MAL for some time before returning to post randomly on /a/ while switching waifus every few months
Interestingly, Japanese traditionally used flat color almost exclusively - so even if this was accurate (it isn't) it would represent an acquiescence to Western artistic sensibilities, not the other way around
>It uses less frames
Fight/chase/other rapid motion scenes often are at full 24fps, at least in shows with a decent budget. Which is the same framerate as used by disney movies.
>Fight/chase/other rapid motion scenes
Of which this movie has none.
>often are at full 24fps,
"often". You mean like in Black Rock Shooter?
I have trouble thinking of other TV shows coming with that kind of FPS during action sequences.
What better way to contrast and compare animation than with still images?
00s > 70s = 80s > 90s > 60s
Purely from an aesthetic point of view