>>121572979 >>let his son be the Matou participant even though he didn't have a chance at winning just because he liked to see Kariya suffer >It was pretty full retard actually. That just means he's an asshole, not that he's retarded.
>>121574911 He did what he had to for the greater good, even at the expense of himself. He followed a virtuous path of self sacrifice right to his very last day. He's not enviable in the slightest, but he was a man among men.
>>121574908 >Hitler was far more merciful to his own people than Mussolini ever was. >We lost the war because I'm a fucking idiot, so please kill them all by destroying all the infrastrutcuire Great guy >>121574952 Tell me how, National Socialism is closer to Socialism then Conservative governemnt
>>121574768 It's described right-wing in the sense that it values traditional conservative idealism and nationalism. When people refer to left and right political tendencies now, they usually refer to the desire to preserve morality (the right) or to change it (the left).
In the traditional and more important sense, fascism is most definitely left-wing in it being an extreme form of collectivism; I think its key difference (as I see it) is that fascism often worships the idea of a national identity while communism worships the state and shared industry as a lauded practicality.
Anyway, Kiritsugu is a shitty character that takes Bentham's sophistic reductionist view of the world seriously. I find it hard to believe that someone as capable as him, and with such specific knowledge of magic and technology, etc. would take such a childish view of reality seriously.
This guy knows, though I'd add that modern political parties like to portray themselves as utilitarians simply using prudent policies to bring out desirable outcomes for everyone; which is just a way of justifying their own preferences to other people.
>>121575256 >you'd have to be pretty fucking retarded to deny he didn't kill any Jews
no one is denying that, what I'm denying is that a jewish genocide happened at the hands of the Nazis. We're they treated like shit? yes. Were they sent to camps? yes. Did many jews die in those camps? yes. Did anywhere 6 million jews die in those camps? no. Were the deaths that did happen genocidal in nature? no.
>>121575066 >Tell me how, National Socialism is closer to Socialism then Conservative governemnt
Nationalization of industry, robust welfare for the German people, suspension of individual liberty for citizens, war to enrich the populace (See: German Jews).
NS government was highly involved with the state in every facet of life.
Conservative government is simply more hands-off. It's about protecting individual liberty at the expense of utilitarian structuring.
"Conservative" government is incredibly vague and virtually meaningless in the context that you're using it anyway. NS was "conservative" in the sense that it yearned for an idealized sense of what it meant to be part of the German Volk.
>>121575305 >It's described right-wing in the sense that it values traditional conservative idealism and nationalism Except it wanted to abolish the Junker class who were the basis of the Conservatives in that era, quite similar to Communisms abolishment of the nobilty less than 20 years earlier >>121575396 Then you admit he still killed Jews? So why are you so flustered I suggested he did? The fugure is surely less than 6 million but he still used the cunts in armaments manifactories and worked them to the bone
>>121575305 >Anyway, Kiritsugu is a shitty character that takes Bentham's sophistic reductionist view of the world seriously. I find it hard to believe that someone as capable as him, and with such specific knowledge of magic and technology, etc. would take such a childish view of reality seriously. He almost feels like a strawman argument on it.
>>121574911 Kiritsugu a shit. Ideals aside, he was an asshole and never had to face the consequences of it. On top of that his backstory is retarded. And he's manpain central. What a shitty character indeed.
>>121575509 >Conservative government is simply more hands-off No it isn't, conservatives get hard as fuck over tariffs and export duties, Libs are the ones who beleive in shitlike free trade >>121575684 >I'ma kill erryone A bit edgy, let's be fair
>>121575784 >Kills Fastwheels and hjis waifu in the most edgecunt way possible >Shoots and kills COOL-sama >Kills 300 people, his waifu and his daiughteru in his fantasy I think Kerry has the highest kill count in Zero besides team COOL
>>121575517 And? the "Holocaust" or "all consuming fire" is a fucking myth then. There wasn't a genocide.
The Holodomor was a genocide. Japanese war crimes were a genocide. Rwanda was a genocide.
Did Jews die in the process of the war? yes. bet the holocaust is a myth perpetuated by jews to use as a "get out of jail" free card so that they can have the perpetual sympathy of the world. Why do you think despite apparently not even being the largest genocide it's the one we see the most media coverage over? Jews have a racket on the Holocaust hence why they don't want anyone denying it or belittling it by making movies/books/tv shows about worse genocides.
The Jewish media uses the purported tragedy of the holocaust and the suffering of their own people to line their own pockets; it's sick.
>>121575738 >No it isn't, conservatives get hard as fuck over tariffs and export duties, Libs are the ones who beleive in shitlike free trade
The problem is that you're thinking of this in terms only of modern American politics.
Classical conservatism is about minimizing state involvement, and has more to do with classical liberalism than modern liberalism has to do with the latter at all.
Also, I don't know where you got the idea that modern American liberals like free trade. They're all about state involvement in commerce and regulation of such.
Globalism is loved by all, because both of these positions are really just postured inventions for a plutocratic party that's been in power since the late 70's, and globalism is great for keeping labor costs dismal.
It's best not to think of political polarities as being on a single continuum anyway, anon. You're falling into their hands by doing that.
>>121575898 Ironically, yes. With the difference that team COOL were actually having a good time and got a nice resolution for their issues before dying, while Kerry kept being delusional until the very end and his life ended in misery because of it.
>>121575958 You might want to read this http://fanlore.org/wiki/Manpain
>>121575958 >He averted an apocalypse by killing those zombies.
That's not the reason people think he's a cunt in the first place, though. It just showed how pathetically childish his reasoning for everything was.
He'd kill a room of 200 babies to save 201 rapist niggers, for example. His reasoning doesn't just apply to situations where the only reasonable alternative is so fucking obvious a toddler would figure out the solution, such as the zombie plane.
>>121575928 >Why do you think despite apparently not even being the largest genocide it's the one we see the most media coverage over Because it was perpetrated in the middle of civilized Europe by a civilized European people against another and is related forever in the public mind with the most devastating war ever fought.
>>121575995 Here's my basis, Cons like industry in the sense of protectionism and a limited amount of state investment in things like railways and agriculture, Libs like free trade and fucking their industries up the arse with outsourcing and no tariffs to compete with foreign markets. Socialism and later Fascism emerged as a response to this shit. To say Fascism is right wing is as retarded as saying Anarchism is Left-wing, they exist as middle ways to the bullshit that don't really work on a practical level
>>121576229 I think a lot of that has to do with how scientific Nazi Germanies racial policies were, I mean just look at SS recruitment before the foreginers were allowed in. You weren't even allowed to have a filling
>>121576000 they're both genocides and that only serves to prove my point.
Why the fuck don't you think there's a big holywood movie about either event?
>"Mr. Hebrewstein we just got a fantastic script for a film about the chinese genocide under Mao!" >"Not on my watch, momzer! we cant goy giving the goyim the wrong ideas, ya know! Star of Solomon Studios only produces films in that're best for the interests of Israel and all her children!"
>>121575615 Thats the point, his there to give Shirou as shitty a start on moral theory as possible, Kuzuki and Kotomine are the same- perfect followers of a retarded ideology (although since Kotomine is just a no strings attached consequentialist he at least comes off as consistent).
In universe this is justified by the fact that obsession begets magic begets the power to actually carry through on that obsession (Uknown Armies if you're into tabletop RPGs) all mages having a somewhat warped worldview as a direct result of following through on their magic research and gaining awareness of the inner workings of their soul (knowing you're destined to become a killer tends to gravitate you towards the moral system where such a thing is permissible).
There's also the fact that the universe is rife with the sort of eldritch horror that justifies the career choice of professional hitman over a doctor for humanitarians- malaria being a diseas made up by the west to cover up all the monsters running around in subsaharan africa and what not.
>>121576263 >To say Fascism is right wing is as retarded as saying Anarchism is Left-wing, they exist as middle ways to the bullshit that don't really work on a practical level
I agree in a way. It's that these things can swap positions on different left-right dichotomous scales. For example: Anarchism is pretty decidedly right-wing when it comes to valuing the individual over the collective. It's rather leftist in that (in most of its resultant philosophical offshoots) it does not value property, since the protection of property requires some sort of collective authority with the power of final arbitration.
I agree completely that implementation of any of these political philosophies can never be done fully or at any practical level, though. Even discussing it is basically a pleasant form of mental masturbation for the sake of discourse.
By the way, I'm a big proponent of Saber's Fat Rumpism.
>>121576676 Striped Pajamas is a superior film to Shitcunts List, undoutably some Jews died in work camps and I have no problem with that as a film storyline, I just wish they weren't so fucking preachy about it >>121576720 Not a war, kill yourself >>121576795 I highly doubt the Congo Wars statistics, did they even have a census before it?
>>121575958 Yeah, but you can't blame people for disliking him if he treats everyone around him like shit and the idiot of his wife and lover still devote themselves to him and puts his needs above everything else. Because that's obviously how people work, they either devote their lives to you, and never complain about your treatment of them regardless of how shit it is. God forbid Maya and Iri complaining to Kiritsugu that he can treat them with a bit of respect (specially Maya) and not think of them as mindless tools or retarded parrots.
Also because every person he has faced is put in a ridiculously cartoonish villain light. Obviously his dad is to blame for the zombie apocalypse even though the story never brings up that Shirley shouldn't have messed up with an experiment. Or that Natalia wasn't all that good of a role model/motherly figure, or that the plane scene could have gone a different way. Because OBVIOUSLY everything has to be set in a perspective where poor innocent Kerry is a victim to assholes over and over again until he's left crying in a corner over the thousand corpses of beautiful women that sacrificed themselves for him for no good reason at all because they were barely characters. And that's why he has the complete right to treat everyone like shit. And everyone, in turn, have to put up with it because that's how Kerry's allies have to behave.
How much the narrative was so obsessed with making him look like a poor victim that went through tough shit and that totally gave him the right to be an asshole to everyone (and how everyone HAD to put up with it without every talking back) was the very thing that made him unsympathetic. I couldn't care less if his dream was world peace, the guy was a douchebag and somehow he always got away with it.
>>121576676 No, they made them because they're Jews and care about the Holocaust. It isn't a conspiracy, it's interest in their ethnic history. If Hollywood were full of South Sudanese, we'd have a bunch of documentaries about that right now. If it were full of Congolese, Mobutu would be the SJW boogeyman.
>>121576881 The Congo Wars aren't listed there. Do you mean the Leopold bit?
>>121576881 Striped pajamas is the ultimate hebrew trickery movie
>those evil Nazis lying to everyone about the camps, even their own family! >claims shit like the soccer fields and swimming pools were faked >story about children to make it more emotionally effecting >le gas chambers meme >Evil Nazi father gets a taste of his own medicine when his son gets killed in an absolutely retarded way
>>121577079 > tmfags > not delusional There was one thread a few weeks ago where TMfags were arguing Nasu was on the same literally level as Tolkien. Don't bother with them, those guys are far off the end.
>>121577078 >Do you mean the Leopold bit? Yes, I highly doubt chopping ninggers hands off because MUH QOUTAS resulted in 5 million deaths, let alone 22 million. Fuck the Germans probably wiped out more in Namibia
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