>Rookie animators only receive hourly wage for 120 ¥ ? They work roughly 250 hours a month, and that make them must live with income ¥ 30,000 a month.
I-is this slavery ? What are you doing to save anime industry /a/ ? Did you ever buy the original BD / DVD ?
This thread again? Also, at least post the non-moon version.
They only receive that because there are som many of them. If japs and other gooks stopped drawing and being lazy fucks and focusing on more productive shit like engineering or medicine, animators' salary would skyrocket
Slavery is not related to income, anon-kun. Slavery is not being the owner of your body. These animators can quit, therefore not slaves, just retards who can only draw and have no other skill
Except for the fact that the majority of people never get past that. It is for most an impossible lie that exploits their passion for the industry to get them to work at appalling rates.
Even on a government funded training program which has a ridiculously large budget compared to TV anime inbetweeners only get 600 yen a drawing.
But from what I know, the rent for apartment in Tokyo / Big City is nearly ¥ 30,000 (or can be more high).
It's okay if your parents still stupport you, but if not....what are you going to do in this position ?
Part time ?
>You use it as a starting point in the ladder for your career
You sound like one of those exploitative chucklefucks who offer 'unpaid' internships because it's all about 'the experience' and foot-in-the-door baloney. Oh so generous!
It's desperate and cheap slave labour is all it is.
Only shit, are you serious? I'm a corporate NEET (I go to the office and pretend to do work) and I get paid more than the goth loli. Not to mention Oi works more hours in a day than I do in a month.
Japan is such a fucked up country.
Well, see those tweet in the link OP gave, the blog one (yaneurablog)
That is the blog of Sachiko Kamimura (City Hunter's character designer)
It written that the hourly wage for rookie animator is only 120 Yen.....and that was 20 Years ago. I'm not good with economic, if you calculated the inflation rate etc, how much is now ?
Google gave me this inflation calculator, which only goes up to 2011, but it's good enough.
You just can't compare countries with vastly different economies like that.
How does an animator earn less than a person who works less hours?
>roughly 35,000 Yen a month.
No much different.
250 hours, that means 10 days work without stopping a month.
And animator's work is more difficult than a waiter, or working part time at convenience store (need more skills and education, which mean, money and concentration).
I start to pity them.
Pretty sure they actually earn slightly more than that. Still, it's not really enough when you factor in Japan's cost of living. Many animators have to subsist on instant noodles and convenience store food.
>Think of it as experience.
Sure, if a rookie work as inbetweeners in such high quality anime like what MAPPA, KyoAni, Ufotable, does.
But what about shit studio with limited budget as
Diomedea? You'll work more sloppily, and what we have, a QUALITY anime.
What about character designers?
And how does it work when making an adaptation, is money even passed around? or does the studio appreciate having a story to work from while the mangaka/whatever appreciates having advertisement?
I really need to pick this show back up.
Does having an A-list voice actor on the cast really make that much of a difference? Worth 25+ other staff working on it?
I can't think of the last time I said, "Well, the show was shit until it was saved by the VA."
A-list voice actors do more than one role per season, they also get money from live events, character songs etc. etc.. Directors, animators and others can do one, maybe two series per season, it's normal that they earn much less.
> Worth 25+ other staff working on it?
That's not how it works. The A-list VA isn't going to be at the studio 8am to 8pm like the animators; they have an hour-long session per episode at most and a lot of overlapping shows.
The distinction between wage slavery and actual slavery is academic at best. People can decide to quit, but they cannot decide to stop eating or stop living in a house, which is heated in some manner. When a choice would literally kill you, it is not an actual choice to make.
If being a part timer actually earns you more money per hour with less skill, no one can't have they don't have a choice other than animation.
Also refer to >>121570852 pic related
But anon, this is the developed countries. In non-developed ones, there is no 400 hr/month limit. There is no after 24 hours on call you get to sleep law. There is only anon, the pager is going off. Why are you not in the OR? Dammit see another consult for me.
When you are one of the few people who could do a work that needs someone to be there 24 hours, you have to pick up the hours to spread it around. But also, it is somewhat of a calling so I am happy doing it.
Sound typically get about 10% of the overall budget. That's everything audio - OP/ED, OST, sound design, and dubbing. Even A-list seiyuu only get around $500/episode, so hiring them really don't hit the budget too hard. If adding them help sell even a few disks, they'd more than pay for themselves.
Fixing it would basically require a complete scaling down and restructuring of the Japanese animation industry. The bread and butter of animation studios is contract work, which means they are competing for contracts with other studios. If one studio decides to give their animators decent wages, their fees will become that much higher and it'd be unlikely they'll get any contracts. External forces like the government or a union enforcing a minimum wage for animators would just result in a quick move to CG and a quick death for traditional animation.
That said, things could probably be improved by increasing efficiency. There's been a rather disturbing trend in recent years with staffs increasing in size in all the wrong places.
I think the real problem is why the fuck is Japan's government not doing jack shit about fixing the cost of living/value of the Yen?
Japan is pretty much pre WW2 Germany right now, to the point I am actually concerned.
We're already got Game companies being absorbed into Mobile Companies, and Toei Animation, how much lower can the average Japanese person go to make it in the country?
This accomplishes nothing. All goods will increase in price. The end result is people making the same relative to the cost of necessities.
What Japan needs is better education and technology. Animators could be more efficient if technology developed. CG animation is the way to go, it saves so much time and money. It can emulate hand animation if we can develop better cel shading techniques and the like.
Get a majority of those animators in other better paying fields. 10% of those animators should become CG animators and then they will have a decent salary.
You're exaggerating, sure it's not that high of an income, but most start up animators are young and still live with their parent.
The low salary is caused by the abundance of people willing to be paid, regardless of amount, for drawing cute girls.
What do you mean "interpreted"?
Animator is a full-time animator.
College student is a college student that works part-time.
Part-timer is not in school, and can spend more hours at work than the college student, earning a bit more.