In no particular order.
Not a 10/10 but worth a mention
I agree with everything else but you lost me there
>Modoka on the list
>SSY on the list
>NHK on the list
>Lain on the list
>Fucking Eva on the list
>not a 10/10
Of those, I would only call LoGH and Eva true 10/10. The others are great but have many minor flaws.
And this is of the ~300 shows and movies I've seen
>there are people who actually think NGE is a masterpiece and Madoka is bad
Madoka/eva insecure homosexual detected.
Seriously, how pathetic can you faggots be? That you have to group your lesser favorite shows with legitimate 10/10s in order to gain favor of you fallacious opinion.
Saikyou Densetsu Kurosawa
Tenhou (pic related)
20th Century Boys
Tower of God
Bonus round: Getter Robo (best /m/anga ever created)
ITT : MY FAVORITE CHINESE CARTOON IS BETTER THAN YOURS AND THIS REACTION PIC PROVES IT
My only 'objective' 10/10 is NHK.
Of those on your list I disagree with Eva and Madoka.
My favorite anime, but not something I would objectively call a 10/10, is Bakemonogatari so feel free to disregard my opinions.
>an edgy piece of shit being good
how dare you say that while posting the edgiest character ever?
I don't even know why I bother coming here anymore. This place does literally kill brain cells. Not to mention that I hardly watch chinese cartoons anymore because IT'S ALL THE FUCKING SAME.
Yes, and also the greatest romance ever.
Attack on Titan because it's the most epic anime.
Both can't be good silly anon. One is better and the other has to be shit.
ok ok that's enough with the 10/10s
what's your 11/10?
I think it was better executed than Eva.
Can we please stop saying that NGE is good. For the rare person on /a/ who is happy and has never experienced depression it has literally no appeal outside of the mech designs.
>posts on /a/
>has never experienced depression
Sakamichi no Apollon
we're all well adjusted, outgoing, fun people here.
I find the setting and the plot more appropriate for what it wanted to accomplish. Eva's characters were more fleshed out, but for the little Madoka's characters did, it was well done. I didn't dislike Eva's monologues, they were great, but I like how Madoka leaves room for the watcher to think about the plot and the characters. They're both great, but I think Madoka suits my
Ergo Proxy had an excellent world and reasonably good characters.
Its philosophy references were mere name-dropping, which was more distracting than illuminating. That's its main flaw.
It's watchable and indeed edifying, but not 10/10.
All alone...what the last remaining human obtained was simply time to think.
>No Azumanga Daioh
>no Pani Poni Dash
Cory in the House
>No Glasslip or Pupa
>Forgetting the obligatory Boku no Pico
Anime is like apples. Some people like red apples, green apples, yellow apples and so on. Everyone got their own opinion of which kind of apple is the best. In the end there wont be an conclusion, because everyone got their own taste.
Why compare it with apples you may ask? I'm eating one right now, so i used it as an example, because why not?
The most legit 10/10 anime coming through
Do proffesional apple eaters decide which apple is the best discarding public's opion? For example, most people like sweet, sugary things and a sweet apple will be the most popular(best by numbers) ignoring the fact that it might be artificialy created in a lab and not even grown on trees. But organic juicy and a bit soury apples which are grown naturally are chosen only a few, does that mean sweet apples are superior?
So when will people stop with the "Evangelion is bad" meme?
These are the same people who think there is no symbolism other than the Judeo-Christian one
when it's clear that there is no religious symbolism and the symbolism is less obvious that religious icons.
Actually it was, though it was only ever in the background. I think it's outside Utena and Anthy's building, or whatever path they take from there to get to the school grounds proper.
>Patlabor films 1 and 2
>W.I.N.G.S. of Honneamise
>Castle of Cagliostro
>Macross Plus OVA
>They Were Eleven
>801st TTS AirBATS
Shin Sekai Yori had serious characterisation problems though.
Everyone is so fucking boring it's impossible for me to care about them.
And Saki isn't a good leader, she just cries a lot.
Maybe a 7.5/10, but not a 10/10
How old was Grumpy Jiisan. He seemed like a real OG Otaku. I figure he would have been born in around maybe the mid-50's. That's probably a good age to witness the evolution of anime.
He made the outdoors look so appealing too. Arizona looks nice.
I hope no one is seriously thinking that EVA without EOE is a ten. Shows with shit endings can't be a ten ever.
Here are my tens
>Hunter x Hunter 2k11
>Steins;Gate (inb4 "literally Reddit the Anime". inb4 "the first half sucked waaaahhhhh")
Nah, i'm just fucking with you guys, 8/10 at best
Sure, think what you want.
I admit, after I finished Eva and then continued with EoE, I liked EoE more, because it gave much more closure. But after rewatching Evangelion as a whole recently and knowing the context of Evangelion AND EoE, I appreciated the ending of Eva more than I did the first time watching it. Though I cannot deny that EoE looks much better.
>the masterpiece that is Steins;gate
>not a 10/10
Most of that list has severe flaws that keep it from hitting 10/10
NGE changed everything, but it's got some pretty severe flaws. The first half can't decide what the fuck it wants to be, and the second half was so low budget that it went so abstract so as to be incomprehensible without a fucking guide.
Lain was pretentious when it aired, and nothing about that has changed. Good? Yes. Flawless? Hardly.
NHK, while it might resonate with your failure of a life, is not 10/10.
Madoka is about as 10/10 as any other generic magical girl show. Adding death and violence in a genre not normally associated with it does not inherently make something a masterpiece.
I've been singing the praises of SSY since it was the unpopular show derided as yuribait on /a/, but calling the first half anything but a trainwreck of a production is fooling yourself. The directorial and animation flaws present in episode 5 alone are enough to knock off a point.
True 10/10's don't need mentioning.
My three tens that I have are Eva, EoE, and Spirited Away. I don't have a low powerlevel but I'm just picky with tens.
There are shows that I would give a higher score to if I was basing it on quality alone, but those have left the largest impact on my life and I have the most emotional attachment to. I don't think that any show deserves a ten if you're basing it on quality alone.
Nobody said anything about them being deep. They are only references, after all. But I guess kids who didn't finish school because of personal reasons, might be appalled by it.
He was such a patrician and his love of anime was so sincere, there will never be another Youtuber like him. He was perfect.
>But I guess kids who didn't finish school because of personal reasons, might be appalled by it.
And only someone fresh out of highschool would think a pseudo-intellectual villain who namedrops like Makashima did is interesting.
Let's not even touch on the issues with the cast, writing and plot.
Who gives a fuck about the villain? His only function was to serve as a plot device to underline the futuristic world which is obviously the main point of the anime.
You can go back to Conan now.
My favourite thing about Madoka is how it is able to polarize people after all this time.
Normally I fucking hate any show that even touches wishes as a concept. Madoka says: "Here Anon, be happy now. I have taken everything you hate about the entire concept and made the consequences 10million times worse than you ever imagined." I like that. I like that a lot. Oh fine, you want wishes in your universe? Let's explore what might actually happen.
>Who gives a fuck about the villain?
In a cyberpunk crime drama where a huge portion of the series is focused on the villain and his actions?
You're write, it was that awesome and totally not generic futuristic world that we should have been focusing on. They really did a great job at exploring the society instead of just shoving Sybils obvious shortcomings into our faces and then doing mediocre character drama.
LoGH is fucking great but it isn't art you fucking pleb
I heard once on /m/ that some of its animation came from North Korea. I doubted it at first, but frames like this one make me think.
The only flaws i consider are dumb villains (which die out by halfway through the show), and the fact that there are like around 6 fully fleshed out characters, would've been nice to see some the imperial admirals given more character than "the silent one" or "the mustached one who isn't stalin"
Also, if you're just quoting Jii-san this is pointless, but what do you mean naval strategy? Seems more like Napoleonic warfare.
Tatami Galaxy is not a 10, it's not even Yuasa's best show.
I'm curious, how many characters in LoGH could be considered fleshed out? Off the top of my head I'd say:
maybe i have to pay extreme attention to him, but all i know about him is that he plots, he's good at it, and he feeds his dog chicken (which isn't dog food). I actually consider mittermeyer to be more fleshed out than him, if barely.
my list is this
>Kircheis, although the side-stories enhance this
The terrarists survive all the way until the final episode or some shit what the flying fuck are you talking about? Hell does Andrew Fork even DIE? He's probably still out there somewhere in a permanent seizure
shit posting on /a/.
I can't believe I forgot about Mittermeyer and Reuenthal. They at least deserve to be on the maybe list.
Also, Mittermeyer > Reuenthal
They were both real human beans, but Mittermeyer was arguably the most affable man in the galaxy, even more than Yang.
I've seen Madoka. I didn't think it was incredible, but I thought it was good. I wanted to punch Madoka in her indecisive cunt many, MANY times, however.
But it wasn't horrible, nor was it a 10/10
What am I missing /a/?
I remember what happened to Fork.
The Terraists gave him a ship to attack Yang which they intercepted and destroyed, killing him in the process. This was a part of their ruse to get a shitload of men with lasers onto his ship.
yes the terrarists survive to the last episode, but in the last two seasons they nearly kill the kaiser twice, i thought the first plan was with the dying dude wasn't too dumb.
And they got Yang, not all that dumb either.
I guess i'm saying that in the second half the villain that is terraism becomes a lot less important and less dumb. Rubinsky still makes bad calls til the day he die, but because everything he does is so ineffective can you really call him a villain? Does he impact anything? The most important thing he does is back Lang in the Reuenthal plan, and even then that fails to achieve Rubinskys goal.
you're not gonna get kicks, it's the same episode
Yang dies, episode 82 i think
while i agree Mittermeyer is certainly affable, Reuenthal is the best, if only for that fact that he can match and even defeat Oberstein when it comes to a battle of wods
>but because everything he does is so ineffective can you really call him a villain?
Yes because even Team Rocket can count as villains. But my real point was that everyone in LoGH even Reinhard, Yang, and motherfucking Siegfried Kircheis is retarded when the plot calls for it.
Which is fine, cause in LoGH the author intentionally dumbs down everyone in the universe with reasons.
Well I can't cite it word for word it's been too long, but remember the FPA and the Empire were both corrupt as SHIT and basically both sides held the masses down so hard it's inconceivable that the average citizen would learn to be competent.
Remember Yang during his cadet days? They gave no fucks about the history classes and stuff, yet this is an era where they fought in a Napoleonic style even in space because of the silly sandbox the author created along with the technology mumbo jumbo. I mean if you think about it, all it takes is figuring out a system that copies pilot telemetry and then stealing the ginger's moves like the Feddies did Amuro Ray. You would have won the war right then and there because every damn X-wing could take down half a cruiser by themselves.
I'm not saying smart people didn't rise up through adversity, but there wasn't a place that promoted education for the sake of empowering their people. Everyone was kind of supposed to stick to where they were in life unless they were crafty enough to climb up.
i guess i gotta think of another way to word this, Rubinsky and Terraism doesn't have enough presence to be a villain, they certainly antagonise everybody else, so this might just be a case of "villain =/=antagonist". Then again, this is just what i think, nothing objective
While they foreshadowed it, the sleeping pills definately played a large part in his death
I can understand the Empire's army being shit since their officers were 99% nobles collecting wages for doing nothing, but the alliance not putting in their all seems strange. I suppose the people in charge didn't give a shit as long as they were in charge and encouraged the people not to pay attention.
It's just harder to imagine a democracy stagnating as hard as the FPA did, but I suppose it's possible. I guess modern democracy's haven't been around long enough for people to work out the general trend of what happens to them over a long period of time.
Now I've gone and forgotten what the point of this post was.
You're going outside the bounds of my post, it was meant in regards to the anon who was thinking >why did I not think this show was worth a 10? Of course people can TRY to be objective and recognize something has worth even if they are not appealed by it, but they will never be able fully appreciate it as much as the people who are, that's what I meant by objectivity is an illusion.
>but the alliance not putting in their all seems strange.
It was corrupted as fuck, with lots of bribes and backdoor deals everywhere, let alone cover ups.
As for the democratic stagnation, the FPA hasn't actually been around that long if you recall. They were fugitives from the empire to begin with. So you kinda get how everyone's all stupid.
I understand they were corrupt, but they'd still want to win the war wouldn't they?
I suppose the people in charge might have been utterly unconcerned with the affairs of the state, that would make sense.
Nah I get what you mean because Rubinsky and Terraism are nowhere near the primary villains, but they are villains by definition. It might have been different if Rubinsky didn't just go HERP DERP KABOOM with his death but that's not the case.
The closest faggots to being not villain while still being scum are Oberstein and Job. And Job only gets to be considered due to the story telling us, not showing us that he basically did all that corruption shit to speed things up and reform democracy. We never even get a damn hint of it shown while he was alive.
It's hard to explain, but there's just a lot of shit that prevents bureaucracy from being efficient and effective when it's flooded with retards. Everyone wants the ship to stay afloat, but no one wants to fucking row the boat. So if two people are willing to row the boat, but one of them says everyone has to row, the faggots are gonna vote for the other guy who claims he can row it all by himself. Simple as that.
No, i don't think they said that about Job, he just wanted to regain his position, but in the empirethat wouldn't be possible with Reinhard and other warriors playing the big roles in politics, he'd need a democracy for that
And Oberstein is really difficult for me to get a handle on, but i'm halfway through a rewatch where i'm focusing on him, i'm starting to get a grasp, like it's important to note that he warned Lang that he better not be making shit up about Reuenthal, because if he was loyal and Lang was sowing dissent, he'd be be talking shit about a central figure of the Empire. But as it turns out Reuental expressed something close enough to a desire to revolt that got Oberstein off Langs back
Oh well then Job doesn't count then. I don't count Oberstein as a villain because he legitimately believes he's doing the right thing for the people, yet he's obviously scum because not only is he cold blooded, but he's incompetent as fuck as well which is the greatest sin of being edgy.
Okay then, I guess that works.
>he basically did all that corruption shit to speed things up and reform democracy.
Was that his plan or did that just happen? If it WAS his plan all along then Job Truniht is a Yui Ikari tier manipulator.
And just to be clear on what you mean, he used corruption to end corruption by ensuring that the broken FPA would get torn apart and then implanting himself in the empire and sowing the seeds of democracy in the form of a parliament and constitution, right? I know that's what he ended up doing but are we ever presented with evidence that he had any motivation aside from looking out for himself?
Not according to >>121613277 and I'm too lazy to re-watch so I'll chalk it up to bad memory it's been ages.
And personally I'd like to think Job was just as big an idiot as everyone else.
Really? I found Oberstein pretty admirable. I didn't find him incompetent, I think it's implied that he took care of plenty more undesirable business than what's seen and directed all of the blame for anything that went wrong in the Empire onto himself for the sake of Reinhard's feelings as well as his image as a leader.
Cold blooded is a harsh way of saying utilitarianist. What happened at Westerland was brutal as fuck and I'd never do it but I can absolutely understand why he did it. By saving those people Reinhard would have arguably been putting himself ahead of other people since he'd be saving a couple of million people and his opinion of himself over several million more people.
I don't think Job's an idiot, all he wants is highest position in society and the benefits that come with it. Unlike Reinhard and many others, he doesn't want to do anything with the power other than just sustain himself (or at least that's all we know). In a way he's got both no and high ambitions
I don't consider Oberstein evil, i can't think of an argument he wasn't at least partly right in. I wouldn't do a lot of things he did, especially Westerland, but at least he has the people or something admirable in that cold, cold heart
>Can't keep tabs on fat ass Lang
>Didn't just have a satellite record Reinhard's ships intercepting nuke missiles and the resulting massive explosion in orbit instead of sacrificing an entire planet because MUH NEED TO BE EDGY
>Actually thought it was a good idea to have a room full of high ranking officers completely unarmed when all it would take is one mother fucker who was in hiding blowing a hole in the wall with his RPG to be the biggest danger to the empire
>Questioning mother fucking Kircheis's loyalty because MUH EQUALITY when it's a fucking EMPIRE and every damn one of the admirals acknowledges Kircheis as a superior in terms of merit and talent including the twin stars themselves
If this were fresh in my mind I could probably make a wikipedia page out of this. Don't get me wrong compared to most characters in the show Oberstein is smart and capable, but that doesn't mean shit. He's still useless and 99% of his merits have been due to the show telling us of his achievements rather than showing it, just like admiral Fischer aka the god of formation and deployment.
I'm not questioning Job's ethics/morals/etc. I call him an idiot because there's been plenty of times even before his death that you can tell that his plans get ruined and he doesn't handle it well.
He's a parasite sure, but he's a low level parasite. It just happens that he's higher level than the host he's leeching off of.
He had A LOT of power man. He could have easily kept it for the rest of his life if he didn't give a shit about the FPA collapsing after his death.
Nothing can ever be a legitimate 10/10. Claiming that would mean it's either literally perfect, which is impossible, or the best thing ever made, which can be overturned if something else better is made, thus invalidating the original 10/10 rating. Claiming anything as such, let alone multiple things, destroys all credibility you may have as a reviewer, regardless of what you have on that list.
I'm so conflicted about this.
On one hand, it's kinda cool that a guy /a/ likes questioned the perfection of the "best anime of all time".
On the other hand, the fact that people here actually cared more about the death of a complete nobody who gave his mostly utterly pedestrian opinions on anime in the mountains than they do about the deaths of actual important figures like Osamu Dezaki and Yoshinori Kanada is really sad.
Also, calling the animation "dated' is silly. LOGH's animation is flawed for a bunch of reasons but 'it looks old' is not one of them.
Oberstein never questioned Kircheis's loyalty, he thought that him being allowed to carry a weapon was an unnecessary display of favoritism. That was a mistake in his judgement though.
I can't remember Lang's sub-plot very well.
I don't think recording them intercepting the missiles would have had much of an impact. If they were planning on intercepting them it'd be reasonable to try, but I wouldn't count on it ending the war. 2 million civilians out of the way of the fighting being intentionally slaughtered is much more devastating for morale than the other side claiming that your leader made an attempt at killing 2 million civilians.
Easy solutiion, just make your scale is relative and define 10 as the best you've personally seen instead of flawless.
I'd actually bet that most people that rate shows at 10/10 don't think they're perfect.
Nigga why you are so entry level?