>Goes on a 1 year hiatus to fap to Idolm@ster
>Releases 4 new chapter in the span of 7 months
>goes on another hiatus to play idolm@ster, again
I have this undesirable feeling he'll die before the series ends.
What happened to him actually. The was last berserk chapter was in october 2014 I think. That´s really long even for miura. I don´t want berserk to be another MM!
The editor for Berserk is just trying to hide the truth from the world: Miura is dead. For the entirety of Berserk's hiatus, a new artist has been trained to replicate Miura's style so that he can take over, and a new writer was also hired and has been trying to piece together the remaining story using Miura's notes and filling in the gaps to the best of his ability. When they are deemed ready, Berserk will return. The most recent batch of chapters was a test, to see if anyone could notice the difference.
Since I'm on a Berserk thread, I'll ask this here.
Who the fuck is that guy ?
Okay he's an apostle, I got that part. But what's his purpose ?
Why is Guts child inside him ?
Why does he have the mark if he's an apostle ?
If Griffith took Guts child body, then why the child appear later with Guts and Casca
on the boat?
I need answers.
>Who the fuck is that guy ?
>But what's his purpose ?
Being the egg for the new world.
>Why is Guts child inside him ?
So Griffith can be reborn on earth.
>If Griffith took Guts child body, then why the child appear later with Guts and Casca on the boat ?
We don't know for sure what that child is.
>We don't know for sure what that child is.
Man, he has Guts face and Casca's hair . He can't be another thing than their child. Even the crew said that they looked like parents when he was sitting between them.
What I don't get is how Griffith can have the vessel that is the child's body and whilee this same child is fucking around everywhere on Earth.
I honestly think Miura has no clue where Berserk's plot should go from this point. He's now spent years procrastinating over this writer's block, and it's at the point where Berserk could end up an unfinished series. He either needs to get his shit together and see Berserk through to the end (no matter how shitty it gets), or throw in the towel and dedicate himself to a different project. This chapter every 3 months thing is doing nobody good.
>Man, he has Guts face
His face looks nothing like Guts'
>and Casca's hair
Casca's hair can hardly be more generic.
>What I don't get is how Griffith can have the vessel that is the child's body and whilee this same child is fucking around everywhere on Earth.
Exactly, it doesn't make any sense.
You could read one bubble a day and you would stil catch on and hate Miura for the rest of your life.
I tought that Berserk had a lot of plothole but I recently read them all again and a lot o thing were more clear. except for that shit. If this Manga ends, I'm pretty sure, we're going to have all the answers.
Even if I doubt that Miura will find a logical way to make Guts able to take on Griffith.
I'm pretty new to berserk, but why is this guy so lazy? is there other reasons besides laziness? berserk seems extremely popular, why doesn't he just pump out volumes like most mangaka
>why doesn't he just pump out volumes like most mangaka
He used to. He worked at an insane speed for over a decade. What I assume is that he's pretty much burned out, lost motivation, lost interest in the story, and on top of that his work is much bigger now since his art keeps increasing in details.
The guy is fucking crazy.
I don't know what's the truth and what are rumors but:
- He plays Idolmaster
- He oftens burnout because he's drawing all by himself, being a retarded perfectionist. I read somewhere that if he draws something big, he just need one mistake to rip it off and draw all the shit all over again.
- Get sick all the time
- Old and lazy
Berserk is my second favorite Manga and I'm getting mad every time I read it again. That's the first time I hate so much an author of a work I love so much.
The best plot thread that never got followed up on.
It has a loli sidekick and pissing has healing proprieties. It just shows how modern influences are affecting his mind.
>Implying HxH will ever end
If it ends, it will be a cop out.
He's an Egg Apostle, a deformed vagrant who was abandoned to the wilderness for his apperance, he lived in a tunnel near the Tower of Conviciton, when refugees gathered there, they started to dump corpses into his tunnel, when he was being suffocated under the bodies, the God hand were summoned and transformed him into an apostle, he was created to reincarnate femto, he sacrificed the world in exchange for humanities desired world. The creature is probably branded because his purpose is to sacrifice himself, Gut's child is inside Eggman's body because he felt sympathy for him, he wanted him to die in peace, but because of Muh causality, he became the vessel for Femto's rebirth.
The kid is the fairy-king guy who will restore Casca's memories, or try to anyway.
>people who unironically blame idomaster and claim he's lazy
I hate you all
Why do we still have these threads? They're mainly populated by tripfags and fuckwits who think they're fitting in by beating that dead IM@S horse over and over again. The only thing worth discussing is the plot, but that's no use when everyone thinks Miura will die before it finishes. The guy's not even fifty.
>no use when everyone thinks Miura will die before it finishes.
People dying before their literary work was done happened several times before, you know. It's actually a plausibility for it to happen to Miura.
No more a probability than any other person in their 50's dying randomly.
He turned 48 last July. Meanwhile, Nagai and Tomino are still churning out shit with no questions asked.
Quads aside, Miura's a social shut-in who almost never physically shows up to interviews. The one where he infamously picked Chihaya as his favorite because "she's like Casca in the sense of stoic" was entirely phoned-in.
Maybe he'll die if he gets into an accident in his own home, if you look at these shitty conditions.
I don't care if the ending is good or bad, I just want there to be one. I'll die unhappy if there isn't.
>You didn't make that evident in your last post.
Which is why I simply specified when replying.
>Isn't posting here a "chore" to you nowadays?
Everything is a chore to me.
>Everything is a chore to me
There is nothing you can say to make me believe that you're "underweight". Fret not though, Hawk, as there are many chubby chasers within this thread who want to surprise sex a beta bitch like you.
>people taking the idolmaster jokes seriously
>There is nothing you can say to make me believe that you're "underweight".
I don't see why the part that you quoted makes you react that way. You realize that skinny people usually feel tired due to lack of nutrition, right?
>a beta bitch like you.
I'm not "beta". Don't know why you'd say that. I always state my opinions and everything in spite of so much adversity.
You are the very embodiment of this quote because the guy on the picture isn't even fucking Descartes
"being alpha on the internet" is a logically impossible situation, as opposed to a contingently impossible one.
Maybe you should take off your trip for a while.
Everytime you agree with me outside of Berserk threads I hate you less
Then you post this shit, I am convinced you're fucking about at this point
>boiling complex human social interactions down to binary concepts like "alpha" and "beta"
Once again you prove that you don't know shit about anything
>calling yourself alpha on the internet
And you also have an IQ of 190 right?
I said when she agreed with me, learn to fucking read
>Everytime you agree with me outside of Berserk threads I hate you less
How often does that happen? You make it seem like it happens on a regular basis.
Well, there's no "leaders" here, but I'm not submitting to anyone either.
Saying that I or anyone else here is "hiding" behind a keyboard is kinda silly. We've never even met each other in real life.
>We've never even met each other in real life.
And thus there's is no social dynamic to dominate, meaning that being "alpha on the internet" is logically impossible, at least as far as anonymous forums go.
I'm not hiding from them, I just prefer solitude, that's all. It's not out of fear, just out of comfort.
>And thus there's is no social dynamic to dominate
But there are. Even if it's just on the Internet, we're still all human beings socializing.
>If Griffith took Guts child body,
The Egg Apostle gave rebirth to Griffith as the fake Hawk of Light (Hawk of Darkness), but also to the real Hawk of Light (Gut's and Casca's son, who somehow turned into a divine being through surviving an Eclipse, bathing in Femto's cum and finally getting stuck into the whole "sacrifice of the world" stuff). He never gave his body to Griffith.
I haven't argued you were beta have I? I'd argue that it's logically impossible as well. If someone calls you a beta and are refering to your posting conduct they're just blowing hot air.
Social interaction on the internet is different from typical interaction. It lacks the the dominance dynamic we typically see in face-face interactions and a variety of other things.
>I'm not hiding from them, I just prefer solitude, that's all. It's not out of fear, just out of comfort.
Lie to me again, and I'll put your head through the wall.
>I haven't argued you were beta have I?
But you also haven't argued against the guy calling me beta.
>Social interaction on the internet is different from typical interaction.
Definitely, but that's why I also make a distinction between being alpha on the internet and alpha in real life. I definitely can't claim to be alpha in real life.
I don't see how this previous post contradicts what I just said.
I assumed he was referring to what details of your personal life you've revealed.
You also made yourself look like an ass, so I thought I'd post.
How the story is most likely going to go.
>Get to island
>Casca keeps resisting the cure the elf king keeps trying to give her.
>Guts decides it would be for the better if he leaves.
>Cacsa regains her sanity just as Guts leaves Island for his confrontation with Griffith.
>Cacsa tells the co what Guts is to her and what happened to them
>The company decide to raise an army to help Guts
>Jill's part of the world gets crazy shit happening she and her village now have to fight off monsters
>She befriends one of the monsters, maybe a dragon
>Guts on his rampage across this new world grows ever stronger as he cuts down the magical beasts and the hound/armor feeds off their strength.
That seems like the only way it can start to turn to a pivotal point and a climax and the only way Guts will be strong enough to face Griffith. Also Rickert discovers the underground rape caves in falconia, and the godhand members arrive in falconia and get their own sections.
Holy shit, he does. He looks like a wider Filthy Frank.
I was going to say she meets up with Jill following rumors of the Black swordsman. Then Griffith changes the world and their town begins to get attacked by monsters. It seems like you could wrap up a lot of character points.
Honestly though I hate the fact that everyone keeps bashing Miura. He's at a pivotal point in his Manga and at pivotal points like this there is no room for mistakes. So he is carefully planning his project and story development, I honestly think once the ball gets rolling he'll release more.
It's so ridiculous that it makes sense
>Honestly though I hate the fact that everyone keeps bashing Miura. He's at a pivotal point in his Manga and at pivotal points like this there is no room for mistakes. So he is carefully planning his project and story development, I honestly think once the ball gets rolling he'll release more.
This. Cut him some slack, niggah almost killed himself drawing this manga.
Also, it would be
poeticif Theressia killed Guts in the end
>Guts leaving Casca again
If that's the case then the story will go full retard. It's unlikely the story will leave Elfhelm after they arrive. Griffith will probably come to Guts.
How will it go full retard. It makes perfect sense. In volume 37 there is even a moment where guts considers what he is doing. Casca and his friends are the only thing stopping him from going after revenge and Griffith. When Guts sees Casca and co are safe he could very well abandon his security to burn everything once more with his black flame of malice. Griffith coming to elfhelm is a possibility but he has his kingdom why would he go after Guts? It would make a lot more sense for Guts to come to him. I mean that is what his quest has been since after the eclipse it's just now he has friends that he cares about.
I think he is just talking about the word faggot.
You wouldn't call them faggots anon. For one, Berserk takes place in continental not!Europe if anywhere, so placing uniquely british slang for no reason in your translation makes no goddamn sense. Even if you were dead set on calling the monster gay, (which also makes no sense, these monsters are pretty straight), you wouldn't use the word faggot. Faggot would've have meant a "bundle of sticks" if it was even in use.
>Griffith going to magic elf island after showing he's terrified of witches since they threaten his power with their magic
Nope, this is also why Schierke will be pivotal to the plot
>Griffith kills Schierke as she is the last witch alive
>Guts snaps and goes full hellhound berserker and cuts through Griffiths telekinesis succesfully this time
>Splitting him in two right down the middle
>He doesn't die
Capped this shit so I can repost it with ease. Though I should have stressed how much the effort the art must take as well.
Guts leaving Casca to go off on a revenge party would entirely negate the conviction arc. The whole point was so that Guts learned that vengeance was an immature and selfish pursuit. If he left Casca again before she was cured that would invalidate his character growth. He might leave her if she was cured and then rejected him, but I'm of the opinion that Casca probably is never going to get better. Berserk has all the hallmarks of a classic tragedy. You don't get back what you've lost in a tragedy.
Oh I agree that Schierke is gonna die, and that it's probably gonna unleash the hellhound. But it's unlikely that Casca will leave the safety of Elfhelm (assuming Elfhelm is safe, there's a decent probability it's been completely fucked since Puck was last there), so Guts won't leave either.
Also can you imagine another Boat? I can't believe Miura would put us through that.
Why would Griffith be afraid of fairies? He didn't seem to think much of Puck when he met him.
We all know we're going fairy island to see it in ruins/go up in flames, so we are going back on the boat
Until Farnese learns to into magic Schierke won't die though, presumably her death will cause her to snap too and go full sadistic Pyromancy mode
Pucks a scrub and can't into magic, presumably they're magical beings but like humans only some can use magic
Griffith is scared shitless of the forest witches magic, so why would he not be scared or at least cautious of the magic wielding elf king?
Yeah Guts has stated that he wants to protect Casca but what happens when he gets to Elfhelm and as you have said she doesn't get better. Or when she regains her memories she rejects Guts. Guts is at the pivotal point of his character development. He has frends and is almost in the safest place in the world. But he is also tormented about challenging Griffith and letting him taste his steel, remember his malice has kept him up until this day and for 3 years after the eclipse he has been scorching everything with it. Also the boat ride back wouldn't be so bad, I don't even know if there will be a boat ride back, Skully could teleport him, or the giant tree that stretches across the world could be like a portal to get places. Guts will leave elfhelm, maybe not for a bit, but he will eventually
Maybe because he won't care enough, or maybe because he has the other 4 godhand members with him, since now they can come to out of their dimension.
That is a possibility. Shrieke's death or any of his new friends dying would trigger the hellhound's final transformation.
I'm just curious as to how Guts will gain enough strength to challange Griffith, He has always been getting stronger after every fight because with each kill the hellhound keeps growing but he still has a bit of a way to go.
I don't remember him even being present at Flora's mansion. In any case she didn't present much problem for the apostles. Even Guts with Berserker upgrade couldn't protect her.
Besides wouldn't it make sense for Griffith to come to Elfhelm to make it go up in flames if they're a significant challenger to him? He does have an army and stuff.
There has been no indication the Godhand are allied, I suspect Griffith will be murdered by Guts while he begs the others for help
>I don't remember him even being present at Flora's mansio
That was my exact point, he didn't want to risk himself because he knows her magic could fuck him over one way or another, overestimating her is a different matter entirely
Maybe he knows something about her and skull knight we don't
Why would he go to Elfheim when Elfheim has done nothing to challenge him and probably won't? It's a risk he doesn't need to take, especially personally
>time is a circle
>zodd a skully call each other old friend
>zodd was another person outside casuality, taught by skullu before he gave into the behelits power
>Schierke and Guts following skully and forest witch footsteps
I like boats
he should pass his work to someone else. It works just fine in DC/Marvel to get other people to write/draw. Not only will the new guy be interested, he may understand somethings better than the original author. Batman has been going for more than 70 years like. In manga they should do the same when the original mangaka doesn't want to draw anymore. Same thing is happening in bleach by the way.
I personally think you're really over estimating how Griffith fears witches. Even if he did, it's pure speculation that Elfhelm is anything like Flora's situation. Since Griffith's deal seems to be world domination, it's perfectly plausible he'd conquer Elfhelm for no other reason than he could. Though he might not show up personally, in which case we'd be in for another BOAT.
>What I don't get is how Griffith can have the vessel that is the child's body and whilee this same child is fucking around everywhere on Earth.
I have a theory about that, when guts first met and fought reincarnated Griffith on the hill, Griffiths body moved on it own to protect Casca and Griffith suspected it's the child's fault, taht was a normal sunny day, later we always see the kid only on full moon (when magic is the strongest), so I think the kid is trapped most of the time inside griffith, but on full moon he's strong enough to leave him and make a physical appearance, I mean before the reincarnation he was pretty powerful
>Guts and co. get off the boat.
>Puck says,"Boy we sure got here fast!"
It's not so much that he fears magic and witches but he realises they are the only thing that could pose a threat to him, he's literally immortal and a cosmic force of the universe
I've not seen that implied, it's been about muh kingdom but I see it escalating to that point in the future
We all know we're in for another boat, let's not pretend it'll just hurt more later
This is my favorite.
It tells so much without saying a single word.
From people being retards and taking everything they read on the internet as the truth, often exaggerating it in the retelling.
I love simple, tiny little moments like these in anything, these and the most intense crises really define characters. The nature of characters are really revealed when they aren't or don't have time to think about their actions.
This panel shows how gentle Guts can be. Somehow I feel like Guts can handle a world without violence just from this panel. I have faith he wont destroy himself from this panel.
>I have faith he wont destroy himself from this panel.
He will and you know it, he'll destroy his humanity for his revenge and that's why it'll hurt all the more because he's always had the choice not to and has the capacity for it
I don't know if I can handle to bear witness.
Miura likes iDOLM@STER, that's no secret, but it's an obvious exaggeration that he plays is 24/7 and it's the sole reason Berserk releases have slowed down.
A person has to be stupid as fuck to think that he does. Unfortunately, that covers a good amount of the teenage chuuni faggots that manga like Berserk, naturally attracts.
My favorite page from my favorite battle ofmy favorite arc of my favorite manga.
Maybe I'm just being nostalgic, but the old iM@S threads were more addicting than the games themselves.
Can't really pick one favourite but this is one of those I like most.
I actually get my imouto to relay every chapter in interpretive dance to me.
Are you saying Griffith doesn't understand pain? Guy was tortured for like a year wasn't he? Not that that excuses anything he's done.
I want to put my hand on Guts' shoulder and tell him it's okay.
2013 was a bay year for Berserk fans...
Are they really foils? there's little similar about them.
I dunno, they're just different characters, not necessarily contrasting ones.
Well, that point is certainly different from your first. I'd say that there are aspects, other than the motif of black and white, that show that they could be contrasting, but that is all up to interpretation.
ITT: Newfags that don't know that Bastard and Berserk compete with each other for hiatus frequency.
People mention Togashi but Bastard's author was the Togashi of Muira and Araki's generation.
The problem with Bastard's author is that he goes on hiatus to redraw everything over twice already.
There have been not one but two complete re-editions of Bastard.
And unlike Miura, you actually know about Bastard's author's condition since he likes blogging in his afterwards and you can tell time passing by based on how he draws himself from a tall skinny guy sketch to a neckbeard sketch complaining about his eyesight getting bad.
No I'm not sorry I worded it differently. What I meant to say was Guts understand emotional pain as well as physical. Guts grew up knowing emotional pain and losing almost everyone he knows. So he understood how Shriek felt.
Glass Mask too, let's not forget about that.
>Been going on since the 70s.
>Very close to conclusion now.
>Berserk will still be on hiatus after it's over.
As much as I like Berserk the fanbase is pretty much awful.
I'm going to go with the eclipse
But that was becuase the king tortured Griffith so much
But that was because Griffith had to get all handsy with the Princess
But that was because Guts had to be a fag and leave the hawks
But that was because Griffith had to go all MLK and give his "I have dream speech"
I which Guts & Co. had met Sakura instead of Schierke.
Griffith is an incredibly charismatic and charming guy.He's beautiful and elegant.He is also calm and composed. He's studied a lot and is good at everything practically. He is also manipulative and cunning, and truthfully sees people sometimes as more as objects to control.
Guts is not charismatic and scary to most people. He is handsome and rough. Guts is an inferno and fights with rage. He only knows one thing and that is the sword, while also being quick witted. On the outside he is harsh and rough, on the inside he feels for people and understands their emotional struggle.
They seem like good juxtapositioned foil characters. Griffith could be argued as someone who does care, but that is for another debate. Griffith has characteristics that attract people to him, but on the inside he uses everyone the same. Guts pushes people away, but if you get close to him on the inside he cares for you. One is elegant, graceful, beautiful, and wins through cunning along with intelligence. The other a beast, primal, and fury incarnate relying on sheer willpower and quick wit to crush you without deceit. They have their similarities, but their stark differences could make for a great essay.
>He is also calm and composed.
Only when he thinks he's in control. He collapsed and ran to Governor Gennon's bed after he saw that kid with the knight doll die. Not to mention when he went crawling off to Charlotte's bed after Guts left him.
You are right that they do play on the classic blue oni/red oni dynamic that's very cliche in Jap writing. I was just pointing out that while Griffith is indeed a model of how to be cool and composed, he's also extremely fragile.
Berserk is a good manga but the way the fanbase act all elitist about it really infuriates me, it's the same with Punpun too, I'm guessing the fans have crossed over but while both still good manga in their own rights they pretty much make it impossible to have any good threads about them here on /a/.
Well compared to Guts he sort of is. Guts was swinging his sword around one day after Zodd, Griffith was bed ridden for like 3 days, and had to use a stick afterwards. But compared to Guts everyone is pretty fragile, dude is like an apostle in terms of durability.
Wait a minute, we were talking about emotional fragility, not physical.
As for what you said, well, they didn't get hit in the same ways. Guts got hit more often, but less strongly than that, so it's normal that his wounds will be different.
Was talking emotional fragility. Which Griffith covers up by acting suave and cool. Guts covers it up by swing his sword so much he doesn't have time to stop and think.
We see Guts break down during his sex with Casca and try to choke her, hallucinating about his child self(representing all his insecurities) in her place.
i met a former child soldier who'd been crippled by torture. real nice dude, was a peace activist. he wouldn't rape my girlfriend and murder 100 of his friends. i'm pretty sure he'd think griffith was an asshole, too
Yeah, Guts broke down emotionally pretty often.
Even though I'm sure he had a harsh life, I can guarantee he didn't get crippled nearly as much as Griffith did. That was some *really* hardcore torture, you have to admit.
what if miura is trapped in his house by a stand? i have a feeling there won't be berserk until 'bad romance' is finished
Griffith even says Guts was wounded so much more in Master of the sword chapter. Griffith would have been dead close to death if he took as much punishment as Guts
My bad, you could argue which was more emotionally fragile. I still would say Griffith, he went crazy after losing Guts. Guts was a child soldier along with being raped I don't blame him for freaking out once. Every other time he just sucked it up.
That's debatable which was more hardcore plus Griffith did he nursed back to health. Guts broke down maybe twice and one of those times was after the eclipse where he quickly sucked it up to keep on going at the end of the black swordsmen arc.
>My bad, you could argue which was more emotionally fragile. I still would say Griffith, he went crazy after losing Guts. Guts was a child soldier along with being raped I don't blame him for freaking out once. Every other time he just sucked it up.
I can agree with you there. Though I wouldn't really say Guts "sucked it up" so much as buried it under layers of anger and scorn. Which is why he was so scared of being touched or getting close to people. He was afraid of his defenses shattering. Which they did as soon as he got intimate with someone.
>Griffith even says Guts was wounded so much more
Much more, but at different places. He didn't receive a huge tail blow right on the back.
>That's debatable which was more hardcore plus Griffith did he nursed back to health.
Griffith couldn't be nursed back. Too many of his muscles were removed and tendons were cut. He was going to be a disfigured crippled all his life.
>Guts broke down maybe twice and one of those times was after the eclipse where he quickly sucked it up to keep on going at the end of the black swordsmen arc.
It depends how we define "breaking down". He strongly expressed sadness, regrets and other emotions much more than just twice. Can't blame him for that, though. Doesn't make him a pussy at all.
>the moment one of their friends tries to get some space.
Guts didn't "try to get some space". He deserted from his duty by sneaking out in the night without warning anyone. That's a form of treason.
>Most people don't throw away their whole lives the moment
Neither did Griffith. He was just trying to get Guts back in his place, and he just accepted his defeat once it happened. Then, yes, he tried fucking Charlotte, but he wasn't trying to ruin his own life at all. He couldn't know he'd be caught.
I'm always nice and polite.
>Much more, but at different places. He didn't receive a huge tail blow right on the back.
Hawk what has more mass and strength? His tiny tail, or his giant arm/claws. Griffith got hit once and passed out. Guts was slapped around by Zodd, in terms of damage Guts took way more.
>Griffith couldn't be nursed back. Too many of his muscles were removed and tendons were cut. He was going to be a disfigured crippled all his life.
I meant to say he was being nursed back every time after he was tortured, but you have a point Griffith probably got messed up a lot more.
>It depends how we define "breaking down". He strongly expressed sadness, regrets and other emotions much more than just twice. Can't blame him for that, though. Doesn't make him a pussy at all.
I define breaking down as actually breaking down and stopping what they're doing do to being emotionally stunned. Guts broke down because of childhood trauma and being violated. Griffith broke down over Guts leaving. Afterwards Guts hasn't really broken down majorly. Even during the eclipse and afterwards. Guts is the struggle in practically all meanings of the word. Emotional, mental, and physical he is a survivor. But just because he is a struggle doesn't mean he's note prone to losing his sanity like he is now.
griffith's torture was extreme, but that doesn't mean everyone would respond the same way. first off, guts wouldn't. i'm pretty sure most people would just prefer to die after receiving torture like that, especially if it meant killing all their friends. The eclipse was the culmination of griffith's character & it put the lie to how much he actually valued his comrades
>Hawk what has more mass and strength? His tiny tail, or his giant arm/claws
Zodd's tail is definitely not tiny. It was almost as thick as Griffith's body. Besides, more mass doesn't necessarily mean more damage. I'd rather get his by a stick than by a whip.
>I define breaking down as actually breaking down and stopping what they're doing do to being emotionally stunned.
Then I think that might have happened more than twice for Guts, though they weren't major breakdowns.
>Griffith broke down over Guts leaving.
You're oversimplifying it. It wasn't just because he left. In fact, I'm sure that if Guts had just asked permission, he would have let him leave. It was the combination of treason, losing his best friend, and losing his first fight that really hurt him.
> Even during the eclipse and afterwards. Guts is the struggle in practically all meanings of the word. Emotional, mental, and physical he is a survivor. But just because he is a struggle doesn't mean he's note prone to losing his sanity like he is now.
It's impossible to know exactly how people would react unless it happened to them.
>The eclipse was the culmination of griffith's character & it put the lie to how much he actually valued his comrades
It was a moment of weakness. Again, it was a combination of many different, big events that made him snap. It wasn't just the torture.
Punpun had good threads once upon a time. It's just that it got ridiculously popular toward the end, and now there's no new material coming out (obviously), so every thread just gets full of people who really want to mention how good they thought it was but have nothing else to say.
It's like Miley Cyrus.
KochiKame and Golgo 13 will outlast it. I believe that Miura can finish before the stars die, but those two will last forever.
Griffith did try to kill himself, he just either collapsed or couldn't bring himself to do it.
I think that's what makes him a great character, that he does such terrible shit and yet you can't say whether you'd do any better in his situation
No one purposefully gets caught. But the manga leads us to believe that Griffith is usually more level headed than forgetting the fact that his sword was broken, or putting himself in a situation where he could get caught in the first place.
Griffith sexing Charlotte is an emotional breakdown for him at the loss of Guts, pure and simple.
you can't say everybody would make the same choice griffith did under those circumstances. I gave a real-life example; history is full of people who preached forgiveness as they were tortured to death.
You're right that it was a combination of events; his whole life was leading up to that choice. The big thing about the godhand during the eclipse was that they pretty much just told griffith the truth about what he'd done to achieve his dream. The only lie they told was that his soldiers were willing to die for griffith's dream- the truth is the band of the hawk were willing to die for a shared dream, not griffith's dream alone. Griffith's duty was to bring as much of the band as possible with him to the future, & thats the premise they were willing to risk death under. Griffith was apt to believe that lie since even when he was in a strong position, he never respected the idea that his subordinates' dreams mattered outside his own. His dilemma's sympathetic at the eclipse, but his decision is completely consistent with his character
>Has sex with men
>hey guts come see my necklace
>what do you mean why am i naked?
>what are you talking about? this isn't gay at all!
>haha totally straight waterfight! teehee!
Behelits aren't genies. You can't just make any wish.
>you can't say everybody would make the same choice griffith did under those circumstances.
I'm saying that we can't know.
>I gave a real-life example; history is full of people who preached forgiveness as they were tortured to death.
These people were usually religious, so it's different.
>he never respected the idea that his subordinates' dreams mattered outside his own.
I disagree. It's not that he didn't respect them, it's just that he usually prioritized his own goals, which is pretty normal.
No, the best part happened after it.
He had sex with ONLY one man, and it was for money. Gay for pay isn't gay (look it up).
As for the waterfight; male bonding like that isn't gay either. It was pure, harmless fun.
Feeling affection for someone of your gender doesn't make you gay either. Homosexuality is about sexuality, as the name implies. It's what turns you on. There's no evidence that Griffith was ever turned on by men.
>I'll have graduated both high school and college with Guts being on the boat
>mfw this is true for me too
i was referring to the choice the godhand gave him; become a godhand or go back & die as a human. Considering the mountain of corpses they showed he had made & how many more he would need for his castle, some people would balk & feel guilty. I agree with what you're saying, though i think the eclipse is about showing that deep down, griffith would always make this choice, and that many ambitious historical figures were probably similar to griffith because pursuing personal power is paid in your own humanity
>It's not that he didn't respect them, it's just that he usually prioritized his own goals, which is pretty normal.
Demonic sacrifice is pretty disrespectful. So is challenging guts to a duel to the death for attempting to leave; so was forcing guts to join the band in the first place (rude to guts, rude to the soldiers guts originally killed). Prioritizing your own goals to that extant isn't normal; thats not even prioritizing. In the adult world, 'prioritizing one's goals' usually means making sure some your own goals are accomplished, along with some of everyone else's. If its not done with some thought to coexistence, then its just being an asshole
>Demonic sacrifice is pretty disrespectful.
That's true, but it was just a moment of weakness. Just one moment that doesn't define his character and everything else he did before the Eclipse.
>so is challenging guts to a duel to the death for attempting to leave
No, that was actually respectful. Even Guts admitted that (see pic).
>so was forcing guts to join the band in the first place
He didn't force him. They both agreed on making a bet, if Guts lost, he had to join, and if Guts won, he could kill Griffith.
>In the adult world, 'prioritizing one's goals' usually means making sure some your own goals are accomplished, along with some of everyone else's.
Prioritizing means putting the priority on something. It means that if this goal can't be achieved without discarding the other goals, then the other goals get discarded.
>These people were usually religious, so it's different.
That's a bullshit answer. How is it different?
You're use of 'usually' kind of fucks up your whole point, since it admits there are non-religious people who wouldn't have acted like griffith did.
and if you're implying we can't know if anyone wouldn't make the same choice as griffith because there's no real godhand, that's just evasion. Post torture griffith also tried to rape casca in the wagon, so theres a definite real world comparison to be made even without the eclipse
>That's a bullshit answer. How is it different?
It's different because the promise of a great reward after death changes everything. Death is a positive thing for religious people.
>You're use of 'usually' kind of fucks up your whole point, since it admits there are non-religious people who wouldn't have acted like griffith did.
Yeah, I never said that no atheists in the world could ever do it. I just said that we can't know in advance for sure who would do what, unless they're actually put in the same situation.
>and if you're implying we can't know if anyone wouldn't make the same choice as griffith because there's no real godhand, that's just evasion.
No, I'm saying that we can't know because it was a *really* traumatic period, and people can and usually will change because of that.
I believe that because it's obvious. Griffith was damaged, but not insane. He knew very well he couldn't rape Casca in that state, and he didn't attempt to. He didn't even try getting his dick out or anything (it's likely he didn't even have one left). It was just a really awkward attempt at a hug, since he couldn't communicate and move properly.
Well, this is the only one I have saved. Though it wasn't because it was my favorite, but as part of a discussion about the nature of the beast. See mechanical arm.
>but it was just a moment of weakness
It was one of multiple moments of weakness in the manga, and it was consistent with the kinds of actions he'd taken before, even when he was strong. Thats why i gave three examples from different parts of the golden age.
Both duels, by the way, are completely forced. Guts accepted them both in his own way, but both times griffith was getting in guts way. Its an absurd overreaction on griffith's part to not getting his way, or to force someone to his whims
>Prioritizing means putting the priority on something
That's only the strict definition without context. The reason I said adult world, and the reason people say griffith is a villain, is because the degree to which you prioritize your own goals does make you a good or bad person.
griffith was mounting casca, but thats all he physically could do. the wagon scenes were about griffith's despairing as he fully realizes all the power and grace he had lost. he had absolute power over casca, and she had a crush on him like charlotte did. He sees casca's in command now & even has guts, so he's jealous & desperately tries to reassert dominance the same way he did with charlotte. though he quickly realizes that that wont work, so he just collapses in despair. Casca sees griffith's despair and failed sex attempt, and turns it into an embrace out of sadness.
>Both duels, by the way, are completely forced.
No, only the second one was forced. The first time, Guts could have just walked away anytime, but he wanted his revenge. He wanted to kill Griffith.
>Its an absurd overreaction on griffith's part to not getting his way, or to force someone to his whims
It was a reaction to Guts breaking a contract. Guts agreed that he belonged to Griffith, then he tried to leave. Griffith had all the rights to try to keep him.
>The reason I said adult world, and the reason people say griffith is a villain, is because the degree to which you prioritize your own goals does make you a good or bad person.
And I think he had a good balance. Really, the only time where he genuinely acted selfishly was at the Eclipse, and that was because of circumstances.
>He sees casca's in command now & even has guts, so he's jealous & desperately tries to reassert dominance the same way he did with charlotte. though he quickly realizes that that wont work, so he just collapses in despair.
I often read that, but I don't believe it. It just doesn't make much sense. With Charlotte, it was about sex, not domination. He didn't dominate her any more than during a normal sexual relationship between a man and a woman. As for Casca, as I said, he knew very well he couldn't do anything, he wasn't insane.
You're actually not far off the mark. Black Swordsman arc Guts is an idiot and a retard, and that's kinda the point.
Pic related is basically Guts until the end of the Conviction arc.
It's impossible for Berserk to be finished within the lifetime of the author with the intended length (based on Miura's comment about whatever % done he felt the manga was at the time he stated that).
So since you will never see the official ending:
How would you end it, anon?
It's the loveliest set of slideshows you'll ever see, straight from the people who gave you Pokeymanz. Read the manga after.
Also, I don't really see the point in Casca never getting better when that would render 15 or so years of traveling to Elfhelm entirely moot. She'll never be the woman that Guts originally fell in love with, but after so many years of building up the rest of the jRPG party it's obviously her time to shine now.
Miura likes to draw her.
Don't worry he's just taking a short break.
70% of the anons here are newfags trying to fit in with IM@S comments, "implying it will ever end" and other boring shit we've heard thousands of times before. We should be talking about better things, like how good of a lay Guts is.
I want to marry him.
I don't think it'll be so simple as the Elf King zapping her with his magic powers. Maybe he'll have Guts enter her mind, kinda like what Schierke does to stop the Beast from taking him over, and there Guts and her can have a nice heart to heart.
Wouldn't be that hard to get her to start fighting again afterwards, just give her some enchanted weapon/armor and her muscle memory will let her do the rest. Give her some relevance as the true leader of the Hawks or Isidro's swordplay teacher, keep some of her Spas Cas goofiness, and you've got a better character than before. Not that hard to patch things up.
holy fuck how many times do i have to say this?
Miura stopped doing Berserk so could have time to make more Filthy Frank videos. Miura doesn't give a shit about berserk, he's happy when he makes Pink Guy videos, can't say the same thing about Berserk.
Tomorrow, Miura makes an announcement that he will no longer be continuing the Berserk manga. However, he also gives a summary of everything that would happen, including how the story would end.
How do you feel about this?
There's no point in drawing it if it's not his own style. A light novel would be perfect. I only want to read the story, I've already given up on ever seeing it drawn.
>implying you even care enough about 4chan for it to break your humanity
I mean, I know that 4chan is probably the only place you can relate to anymore with people but I doubt sacrificing it would even faze you in any way for you to become a demon.
Makes me wonder what would have happened if Guts actually strangled and killed Casca.
Heh, if you think about it, if Guts killed Casca, Griffith would be rotting in a sell and die.
That would have stopped the Apocalypse.
But, you know, Causality and all that.
I don't think Griffith even cared about the rest of his comrades. He valued them highly and didn't want them to be worthlessly sacrificed (which is why the God Hand twisting his ideals and making him realize that sacrificing people for your goals is acceptable). But he only valued Casca and Guts along with the other strong but less so of his comrades.
Everyone in the Band of the Hawk understood that they would just be an ordanary mercenary band if it wasn't for Griffith.
It was Griffith who made the plans and pulled everything up.
You could say that the Band of the Hawk was more an means of Griffith's goal than end in themselves. When he fucked Charlote, he never thought about how it would affect the rest of the Band because the Hawks never mattered to him.
Once Griffith would have become king, what do you think he would have done with the Hawks?
He would probably just integrate them into the army and never care.
I started to read Berserk recently and kind of annoys me how it has evolved from a horror story in a medieval setting to a generic high fantasy story.
Since schierke joined this has been more and more lighthearted. The horror elements are still there but the whole atmosphere has become less oppressive. There was even a dump of generic fantasy creatures like goblins, dragons and unicorns. I liked more the nightmare creatures, I found it more unique.
BTW, now that we are on it there is something Schierke said and I don't really get yet, she said there is two other worlds, the world of ideas and the spiritual world.
Elves, trolls and such are creatures from the spiritual realm, right? And inside that realm there are different domains, the elves are from one domain, the trolls from a dark domain, isn't it?
But where fits the "world of the dead" with the spirits that used to pursue Guts (I miss those fuckers)? That spiral of souls, are them from the dark domain of the spiritual realm like trolls or its another different world?
Maybe not the armor itself but getting to that point, yes, I think so.
I'd say he planned everything from the start of Loss Children.
I haven't seen any evidence that anything he's done was on the fly.
The personification of Griffith's ambition.
I don't really have a problem with Shierke's character, (I find her much more likable than Puck, Isidro, or Elf #2) but I'm not a huge fan of the level of magic she's brought to the group.
Some power change was inevitable if Guts was ever going to face Griffith, but I miss when things felt a bit more grounded in terms of the group's abilities.
Her power change makes shit tons more sense
>Fights duels with Lords most of his life
>Can somehow stand against Guts
>Does nothing but wind sword
I don't buy it, he wouldn't be at Guts' level pre-eclipse
>How do you know he only likes "the small grains of gold in shit"?
Because if he has good taste in something you find shit, that means he has good taste, just in a shit medium/show whatever.
Just like you can appreciate and have a favorite interesting character in a shit harem anime.
>Just like you can appreciate and have a favorite interesting character in a shit harem anime.
Or like having Griffith as your favourite character in a good manga
>Does nothing but wind sword
>implying strategy isn't his strongest attribute
I agree that he's not even on Guts' level pre-eclipse but then again, neither was Griffith who was straight up undefeated before then. No one short of Zodd and Skully are on par with post-hundred-man-kill Guts.
>a manga site where you can put captions on every page for everyone to see
>read a few chapters of Berserk for shits and giggles and to see what people wrote
>get to the first two-page shot that features the boat
>eighteen thousand captions saying "nice boat"
>it was a year ago
One thing that the future centuries will give us will of course be space travel, and someone finally animating all of Berserk. I hope they use Kaji wo Tore once the boat appears.
And don't make people wait too long, we have suffered enough, you can let the future generations pass.
Which site? Spoonfeed me just this once please. I really want to see 18000 nice boats.
Well, I'm ok with the level of magic she's brought to the group (magic equipment, seals), what I'm not fan of is the level of magic SHE uses.
I mean she can alone do more damage than an army of apostles, since she appeared is a "win" button. I preferred if she limited herself to small rituals and giving the team backup through creating/mantaining magic equipment and providing wisdom of the magic world and stop making her nuking armies, because it feels as if all the problems in the world could be solved by hiring a bunch of wizards
>Guts dominated pre-eclipse Griffith in a sword fight
I blame Causality.
Shorten mobility, lack of possible ways for Griffith to win (basically aim impossibly for the shoulder or just kill Guts outright. We don't know what he was going to do).
Whenever people bring up the fact that Griffith lost to Guts, I don't see it as though Griffith is weaker than Guts, only that Guts had a vast advantage which limited Griffith a lot.
Guts *did* grow stronger, I'd obviously admit that, but would he have been able to beat Griffith if there wasn't any snow?
Now that's a good question.
I still claim that Guts only won because of the snow.
No, he's too female-friendly. Look at how rape has completely vanished from the manga in the past ten years, the fanservice now being reduced to tits and ass. By the way, I think you should stop focusing on rape and lolis, otherwise people will dismiss you as being one-note. Not even your theoryfaggotry will save you there.
The snow affects only one of them negatively? Lol get real man.
Griffith became more interested in politics and was passed by Guts. If Griffith had trained like Guts they would have still been even or Griffith would have been stronger, but they weren't when they fought. Guts had created a gulf between their respective skill levels because of all his training.
Griffith said so.
Did you see how accurately he beat Guts the first time?
Also, the sword was cold in that match so it was easier for Guts to break it.
Everything points to Guts being lucky.
>Griffith became more interested in politics and was passed by Guts.
>only interested in politics
>while being on the fucking front lines
Get real fuckface.
>If Griffith had trained like Guts they would have still been even or Griffith would have been stronger, but they weren't when they fought. Guts had created a gulf between their respective skill levels because of all his training.
Regardless, again, because Griffith was able to cut Zodd's arm off, showing that he has post-Eclipse level of skills.
You think I'm dismissing Gut's strength you guys are just ignoring how fucking strong Griffith is.
I mean, you're just claiming that Griffith was weak simply because you saw him read book and 'he was interested in politics'.
What the fuck sort of bullshit reasoning to explain why Griffith is weak is that?
>Guts trained and trained
>Griffith was a bookworm and didn't train
What a load of shit.
I think Griffith's emotional instability in that moment was a much bigger deciding factor than the snow. Conversely, Guts was completely calm and focused as even Griffith noted. What I wonder is how Griffith would have fared if he were in his right mind during the duel.
>What I wonder is how Griffith would have fared if he were in his right mind during the duel.
That's what I'm pointing out. A lot was stacked in Gut's favor, even though people dismiss all of it as though Gut's just being awesome is what made him win.
And if you imagine IoE planning everything, it made this outcome a complete certainty.
There is no possible conceivable way for Griffith to win that match.
I've read a lot about Berserk over the years, but I'm finally trying to take the plunge into reading the manga.
The first volume of the batch I torrented starts off with Guts literally balls deep in a monster and missing his arm. I thought that he doesn't lose his arm until the Eclipse, which takes place later in the manga. Did I fuck up?
Berserk starts in medias res, with most of the first three volumes taking place after Guts leaves Casca in Godo's care. After defeating the Count, it then shifts to his backstory and the Golden Age, AKA the events leading up to him losing his arm.
That's why she is going to die
I just really fucking hope she doesn't get raped first
Muira please don't do it
>We've just entered the midpoint of the series.
>waiting 25 more years until Berserk ends
The first two volumes are meant to show the setting and his character ( you get to see him cry after the slug-count kill ).
After that a thirteen volume flashback starts that explains everything. After the flashback, you will want to murder a certain someone, but the story continues roughly where the first two volumes left off.
After that it is just smooth sailing. [Oh god, It physically hurt me to make that pun.]
>After that it is just smooth sailing. [Oh god, It physically hurt me to make that pun.]
It's okay. I'd bet my life that Guts will finally be
carried off that boat in a stretchercome next chapter.
>you will live our your life to see the end of Berserk completed
>your reward for having lived your life will be to see the end of Berserk
Millions of people will be unable to experience this joy
Are you a bad enough dude to live your life just to see the end of Berserk?
I wonder how many of us will be there to see the end?
Guts and Schierke don't have that kind of relationship, he's not her surrogate dad and she's not his surrogate daughter, she's already pretty grown up.
Their relationship is more complicated, deeper and more than that
I'm not sure if I can articulate it fully, it's symbiotic to a point with trust and respect for one another
I don't think imouto fits either, Guts relies on Schierke more than she does him she doesn't need protection or looking after as opposed to say Isidro, where Guts is clearly nurturing, teaching and a father figure
The relationship is complicated because it's non-traditional and Muira is a good writer
Do not sexualise the Schierke, that's what Farnese is for
Your waifu NTR-ing you/spoiler]
>Love HxH and Berserk
>Neither will ever end
What would Griffith look like with a fully grown beard
That explains why Guts' chin stopped growing