It's a human in disguise, had their memories wiped out or at least blocked.
Have feelings, doesn't show.
Sympathizes with humans, try to understand them.
Despite of this, give them shitty judgements.
For peace of mind makes dolls of those who he send to the Void.
99% of them are women.
Decim... why is he a piece of shit?
Get rekt tumblrfags
There have been many full English openings and endings. Please don't imply that it improves the quality. Whether the song is actually good or bad does not depend on the language.
it isn't though, which is what makes it even more outstanding
besides that, it stands perfectly on its own as well
once this shit ends in a tragedy you fuckers will learn to love it
To begin with, he judges people based on a game. That's stupid from the start. So you kill 3478437 people but behaves well there, what happens? you go to heaven?
also, he just condemned the woman to hell because she Cheated on her husband. WTF. She didn't Kill anyone or stole anything. Too harsh.
the problem is that the entire thing is based on the theory that Evil people will do something stupid in extreme situations. First, they don't put people in an Extreme situation; why not throw them in an island and tell everyone that they need to kill each other if you want something extreme? because only stupid people would misbehave because of a game. Actually, only stupid people would even play it. So basically, he can easily condemns innocent people.
human judgement is better than the one in heavens. lol.
>he just condemned the woman to hell because she Cheated on her husband. WTF. She didn't Kill anyone or stole anything. Too harsh.
>human judgement is better than the one in heavens. lol.
Yes she did
>My face when she went to hell and it upset indoctrinated children like you
>So you kill 3478437 people but behaves well there, what happens? you go to heaven?
You wouldn't be sent there if you killed 3478437 people.
> he just condemned the woman to hell because she Cheated on her husband.
No, he knew that from the start, he condemned her because he took what she said at the end seriously.
Any other objections?
as far as we know, they judge everyone. The problem is, whatever you did has NO repercussion on their judgement there?
> No, he knew that from the start, he condemned her because he took what she said at the end seriously
So... he condemned her for cheating, basically? because that's all she said.
>as far as we know, they judge everyone.
But not everyone is judged the same way.
Proven by Castra mentioning "special arbiters" last ep.
>The problem is, whatever you did has NO repercussion on their judgement there?
It has repercution on where you get judged and how you get judged, what makes you think it doesn't?
>So... he condemned her for cheating, basically? because that's all she said.
That's not all she said and you know it.
Decim is moe
Just kill yourself already.
still you're speculating that they Wouldn't be judged there. Even if it is not the Same way, it is probably another stupid way that does not involve whatever they have done, considering how things are going. The judges on 'heaven' aren't even omniscient and can be easily cheated. Our judges are better than that.
>So... he condemned her for cheating, basically? because that's all she said
what is it that she said that makes him so angry that she Deserved hell?
>The judges on 'heaven' aren't even omniscient and can be easily cheated. Our judges are better than that.
Fuck off retard.
>random Capital Letters in your Sentences
Learn to speak English, lurk 10 years then post again faggot.
if they know everything about the person, there would be no need for a game in the first place. They could judge comparing what the person did and did not. The game would serve no purpose. You get someone that objectively deserves hell and send him to heaven because he behaved well during a game?
Yes, are you fucking serious?
I am not here to educate you :^)
If you need to be explained the concept of trust, loyalty and betrayal you need to fuck off, she got what she deserved you dirty apologist
Have you even watched the show? It's been critiquing the system through its whole run.
It is currently set up to balance the game more than life for some reason, you just missed that bit of exposition because you have brain problems.
not necessarily true. First of, there is no real reason for him to believe that he will die if he loses the game or something, the people they show until now are simply dumb enough to assume that. Second, there is the possibility that he wins the game easily, so he won't even need to get to an extreme situation. They did try to show that the judge tries to 'make it hard' for him, but seriously it makes me laugh how he did it and how wrong his plans could go (the arcade game thing). Third, there may be other responses that doesn't involve killing that he may try resorting to; killing is actually the least that he should try to do considering the 'judge' may not like it.
So yeah, you kill, and you can still go to heaven easily.
>still you're speculating that they Wouldn't be judged there.
Nah it's pretty much guaranteed.
We know thanks to the synopsis from the next episode that at least one of the two players is a murderer, and those were the ones who needed to be judged by a "special arbiter".
So yeah, murderers are judged differently, that's a fact.
I'm sorry but you don't have an argument.
>what is it that she said that makes him so angry that she Deserved hell?
That she didn't love her husband.
That she only married him for his money.
That the kid wasn't his.
Cheating doesn't make her go to the void, but being a manipulative deceptive and hateful woman does.
so, someone lie, and he gets Eternal damnation and endless torture. Doesn't seems proportional.
Just consider that it isn't even punishable in our world what she did. So when they will start to punish women for losing their virginity before marriage?
>Why such a stupid system exists in the first place?
Because god fucked off and this is a stopgap, the show has yet to explain everything, because we have 5 more episodes left.
>But it's still an eternity without anything good to weigh out the shittiness.
It's just the end of the soul.
>Cheated on her husband, betraying his trust, disrespecting their marriage and then lying about it
>Eternal damnation and endless torture. Doesn't seems proportional.
It is, loyalty is important but that's not what happened you retard
>Yes, they deserved to die and I hope they burn in hell!
>Just consider that it isn't even punishable in our world what she did.
So fucking what? Not relevant
>So when they will start to punish women for losing their virginity before marriage?
Strawman and false equivalency, fuck off I see what you're trying to pull
>it's just the end of the soul
No it's not. The soul is sent a literal void with all it's negative feelings. I'd cite something but I'm using a phone and it's too much of a hassle.
> it isn't even punishable in our world what she did
Yes it is. Some societies punish it heavily with death, others call it a crime against honor and demand compensation to the victim.
1. We'll see in the next episode. Just hope they don't fuck it up. For now we don't even know what this especial judgement is. Not only that, the fact that he will be judging the murderer could mean that Some murderers can go there to be judged in a stupid way. Oh, and why even judge these people for eternal damnation if their "crimes" (that again, cannot even be called crimes) are so little?
2. There is no way to cheat without being a deceptive and manipulative woman. So again, basically she got hell for it. Too out of proportion.
but once we learn it was a mistake and that these arbiters are not omnipotent and capable of flawlessly judging human souls, suspension of disbelief breaks. You can't take what they do seriously and each judgement gets called into question. They are fucking with human souls here.
>Not only that, the fact that he will be judging the murderer could mean that Some murderers can go there to be judged in a stupid way.
Nona fucking fixed it so he'd get a murderer, this never usually happens.
>why even judge these people for eternal damnation if their "crimes" (that again, cannot even be called crimes) are so little?
Because that's how the system works, that's the premise of the show. It's probably going to get explained in the 5 episodes left. Stop bitching that you've not been spoonfed everything after 7 of 12 episodes.
A void does not mean the Abrahamic version of hell with fire and torture. It implies the soul just ends.
>the fact that he will be judging the murderer could mean that Some murderers can go there to be judged in a stupid way
They really can't normally. They only got sent to Decim because Nona specifically asked for it.
>2. There is no way to cheat without being a deceptive and manipulative woman. So again, basically she got hell for it. Too out of proportion.
There's a difference between cheating once and faking a whole relationship and pregnancy for money.
One is something that will happen to most couples, the other is seriously fucked up.
So yeah, she didn't get hell for cheating.
>suspension of disbelief breaks
How so? Is it hard for you to believe the one that judges our soul after we die in not an all knowing, all seeing deity? Those don't exist in the world of this anime. Decim is the next best thing.
Well I would at least like to know where I'm going and why before I take the elevator. You know, so if a "mistake" were to have happened or I want to protest my placement I can speak to a higher up. A manager, if you will.
Because then the plot they have set up gets called into question. How many mistakes have happened before? Is there any way to rectify said mistakes? Who is in charge? Is God in this universe? If not, who created humanity? Who created this realm to judge humans and why did they not enforce a stricter learning course on judging humans if Decim was able to fuck up over a single humans lie?
False equivalency? Both are simply immoral depending where you live. The fact that they are not even punishable, not even a crime, shows that there is no interest of the society of dealing with it at all. She doesn't love him, it's that simple. So if you don't want to love your husband you go to "hell" now. It is very out of proportion. And again, the judge already knew all that, and technically even everything that she told him. So why even play the game? Is it not the fact that she did it that matters, but that she was honest and said she did?
>I admit to only having watched the first 4 episodes at the moment.
Then go watch the rest before asking moronic questions.
If you were actually paying attention they say they describe it that way as people understand it more easily. They never meant it was actually heaven or hell, and the Japanese ideas of heaven and hell work differently from Western ideas anyway.
Especially since one is really rebirth, so can't be heaven at all, and the other is the end of a soul, a void of nothing.
The problem is that we got no demons. None of them did something criminal until now so why punish? Until now there were only innocent, perhaps 'morally flexible' is the best way to put it. They basically get people that did nothing and say "well, now play the game and whatever you did in life, if you misbehave here you go to fucking hell/void/whatever"
One of the major underlying issues people have with this system is that they've forgotten that it isn't actually actually Heaven and Hell. It's reincarnation or the void. If you ask me, a few fuckups between those two choices isn't such a big deal. It's not like those decided as unworthy are spending eternity in damnation. Hell, depending on what the reincarnation end game is, I may find myself choosing the void if given the option.
Furthermore, to all the people questioning this system... That's the point of the show. That's it. Can limited being with limited knowledge really make snap judgements like that? Shit, the human comes in and day one does a (slightly) better job than Decim. However, as shorty points out not even she got it perfect. Take what happens in this show and extrapolate to real life. Court room juries, your own perceptions of good and evil, right and wrong. Say as much as you like about the failings of such a system, at the very least it works thematically.
not a criminal act in our Civilized part of the world. Thank you.
i'm putting civil punishment aside here. Technically it would be the same as me hitting your car. Any damage demands compensation.
Civilized part of the world. And even in islamic countries it is a minority that kill for it. What matters is that you can say it is objectively wrong to kill because of that.
>One of the major underlying issues people have with this system is that they've forgotten that it isn't actually actually Heaven and Hell.
People are projecting their Christian ideas of the afterlife onto a Japanese show and they still can't get why they sound retarded.
>In Southwest Asia, adultery has attracted severe sanctions, including death penalty. In some places, such as Saudi Arabia, the method of punishment for adultery is stoning to death.
Not that that has anything to do with the show's point in episode one.
Ehh. To be fair the two are used almost interchangeably by the arbiters. It's only explained once that it isn't actually heaven and hell. The whole reasoning behind that is they want a quick and near universally understood message of ->This way good. <-This way bad. Judging by the fact that even the viewers can't separate the two just shows how good of an idea that was.
> Nona fucking fixed it so he'd get a murderer, this never usually happens.
is the episode out where this is explained?
> It's probably going to get explained in the 5 episodes left. Stop bitching that you've not been spoonfed everything after 7 of 12 episodes.
"oh, they will probably explain it". No dude, if they did not explain something so obviously stupid in the first episodes, they will never explain it in a definitive way. I doubt that there is any kind of explanation that wouldn't be an asspull of some kind to legitimate what they do. The problem is that something visibly wrong doesn't get explained until now. We can't just 'deal with it' and keep watching until the end.
>is the episode out where this is explained?
Did you even watch episode 7?
>No dude, if they did not explain something so obviously stupid in the first episodes, they will never explain it in a definitive way
>read a mystery novel
>if they don't explain the murder in the first chapter it's shit.
>For peace of mind makes dolls of those who he send to the Void.
I thought it was the ones who've lived full lives. Bet most of them ended up in reincarnation if they lived so great.
Do you even realise you're complaining about part of the setting? You're asking why they judge everyone who dies. It's part of the premise, like asking why Gundam has giant robots or something.
1. so... Some murderer will be judged in a stupid way. Thanks for confirming this for me.
2. it's not a big difference when you stop to think about it, just a question of how much time the cheating took, and still none of them deserves what she got. There are people that do far worst and still not deserving of such punishment. And again, he had her memories and already knew everything that she did, so no reason behind the game.
>Some murderer will be judged in a stupid way
No you fucking nigger.
You know what, fuck it, you're too fucking braindead to even bother talking to anymore. Just kill yourself out of /a/.
>1. so... Some murderer will be judged in a stupid way. Thanks for confirming this for me.
The stakes are higher than just judging one guy correctly or not, but obviously you can't know that without watching past ep 4.
>it's not a big difference when you stop to think about it
Yes it is, it's a massive difference. Not just a matter of time, but also of intent and morality.
You keep thinking this in terms of punishment and crimes but that's completely irrelevant to the show.
> he had her memories and already knew everything that she did, so no reason behind the game.
That was already adressed in the episodes you watched, you have no excuse for being wrong there.
>Because then the plot they have set up gets called into question.
Isn't that the whole point. Show creates a flawed system and sets out to examine it. You just don't like the premise, which is fair, but it's a different issue from suspension of disbelief. It's not like we actually know what the fuck goes an after death.
Were your circumstances really so shitty before you were born? The void isn't you sentient in some dark pit, it's just the end of you. Seeing as they are already dead, and have lived as full a life as they're going to get period, that really isn't so bad.
Guilty of adultery? Into the void you go, no game needed.
it is a minority, but i won't do any kind of immense search about this because it really is not that relevant to the argument. But know that In most islamic countries it is not a criminal act to betray your husband.
For someone who believes humans are idiots it's unbelievable that he's unable to understand that she's just a huge fucking idiot.
She was already put in an extreme condition and behaved good-heartedly, isn't that enough.
Adultery is now a fetish and not treason.
He's just being tsun tsun towards humans.
She just did it to avoid peeing herself in front of her idol, and she reacted in a weird way after realizing that she died.
I'd be confused too.
1. 7 isn't out where i watch it, i think. Anyway, he will get a murderer so it kinda of confirms that he Can judge some murderers, that will be judged in his own stupid way.
2. The difference being that this is not a mistery novel, it is an obviously wrong situation that should be easily answered with simple lines of dialogue. Anyone should have already pointed this all out, or asked them what the hell is going on with this messed up kind of judgement. If they didn't ask this until now, no one will grow a brain in the last episode to ask it. The author simply didn't think about a reason for the judgements on these unimportant matters to be like that at all or to even happen in the first place.
Even if someone did point it out in the last episode for some reason, what do you think would be the explanation? just curious. Because not even the judges seems to know exactly what they are doing.
>1. 7 isn't out where i watch it,
Just fucking throw yourself off a bridge already.
> he will get a murderer so it kinda of confirms that he Can judge some murderers
No you fucking spastic double nigger, stop saying things before you've watched the episode.
tl;dr just fucking die already you twat.
no, i'm asking why they judge everyone who dies in this stupid way and why they even need to do it when they already know what people did and did not.
i'm saying that the setting is stupid and makes no sense.
>no, i'm asking why they judge everyone who dies in this stupid way
Because they do. Don't like the premise and don't want to wait for it to be explained? Fuck off and kill yourself.
>they already know what people did and did not.
Rewatch it or kill yourself. Preferably both.
Just stop posting and get out.
Because they aren't judging people just on what they did.
They are judging good souls and bad souls.
Sending good souls to be reincarnated and bad souls to the void.
It's not a simple matter of crime and punishment, you seem to be seriously mistaken on that.
Don't act dumb
>Both are simply immoral depending where you live. The fact that they are not even punishable, not even a crime, shows that there is no interest of the society of dealing with it at all. She doesn't love him, it's that simple.
Yeah, morals are relative, we've all read 3 worlds collide, don't backpedal
>She doesn't love him, it's that simple. So if you don't want to love your husband you go to "hell" now. It is very out of proportion.
Then do not get married
>So why even play the game? Is it not the fact that she did it that matters, but that she was honest and said she did?
>I missed the point entirely
Yes being honest about being a whore should absolve you
1. actually watched past 5. You got do understand how hard it is to watch mediocre animes. The way i see it and that you say it, he will be judging a murderer based on videogames or another stupid way. He will behave or not, and the judge will take his own conclusions and send him to wherever he likes. Any judgement based on that already shows a poor premise.
2. the intent and the morality that they violate is the same. It is just a question of time and both shouldn't be punished with Eternal suffering. Punishment and crime are to be used when there is something relevant to be protected, someone's life, people's security, etc. In some way they Should be relevant to the show, but what we see is a judge that takes an irrelevant matter, judges it with a game, and gives one of the worst possible punishments we can think of. The fact that this matter is not even really punishable in most of our civilized world shows just how pointless and out of proportion the judgement is.
3. in the episode they just say that "we need to create some kind of extreme situation, so they will misbehave". In the end she doesn't say anything different from what he already knew and still gets sent to hell. The only difference was that she was honest and actually said all that, but the judge already knew all of it. There was no point in playing the game if you're going to punish her for something that she already did.