Could anyone in anime defeat Accelerator?
And I'm not talking about Ippotsuko Accelerator. Hell, I'm not even talking about Kakusei Ippotsuko Accelerator. I'm talking about Kakusei Ippotsuko Enzan Hojo Debaisu Choka-gata Denkyoku Accelerator with full access to the entire Misaka Network, with his Ippotsuko no Tsue to block out wavelengths, adept at using guns, and has an understanding of magic to the point where he can cast it with minimal throwback and can use his Kakusei Ippotsuko Accelerator Black and White wings with full control over Dark Matter and Thelesma, and also able to enter angel mode at will.
Anyone in Jojo parts 1-7
and some wouldn't fight at all..
Yomiko Readman vs Index.. Nope not gonna happen, they'd sooner fuck
Vash and Saitama would go out for drinks
then kill the alien invader Korunsensai
>the Flash's power is to run fast
>running has a direction and speed
>direction and speed together is a vector
>Accelerator controls vectors
Lel, did you enjoy your cool Flash tv show a little too much?
We talking about touma with the eight dragon kings and imagine breaker along with instant regeneration or just regular touma, regular touma couldn't even fully awakened Accelerator with black wings.
OPM always wins.
OPM vs Demonblade.
OPM vs Medeka with 110% OP
>can decrypt the human genome and stop a bullet before it reaches his brain
Accelerator could beat Flash.
>mfw zenkichi can beat all the people in these threads
His brain wouldnt even process the flash moving before he hits him in the face at over light speed.
His brain still cant process anything in that amount of time the flash wins hands down.
You realize that accelerator doesn't need to see anything to reflect it's vector right? the moment the flash runs at him at top speed he'll be turned into chunky salsa, not to mention his vectors don't have a lag on when they reflect, they activate the instant they are touched and no later, it's an impenetrable defense unless you have some sort of anti-skill ability like Touma, he could theoretically use the counter-punch but the current accelerator is immune to it now.
If he travels so much faster than light he can't see shit. Since, you know, eyes need light to reflect on objects to see them. So when the Flash is moving at the speed of light (not even mention faster) he's basically blind.
This is an established thing. Accel would get rekt even if he didn't Flash can travel to any point in time to fuck him and can attack with infinite mass. Speed force always wins faggot.
Flash can go back in time and trip Accel's pregant mom or something, hell he could probably wipe out any threat really, and then you're gonna say something like "fucking capeshit how can you like it?"
>Can stop something at 13 trillion times the speed of light. Ok sure.
You need to understand that Angel Accel might as well be one half of a literal God.
Ally's Extra Heretical Magic doesn't care about physics either.
They probably could, it hasn't been explored if he can control imaginary vectors like teleportation, but the AIM field that controls his vector manipulation is a thin film over his body just about above his skin.
>AIM field that controls his vector manipulation is a thin film over his body just about above his skin
It's not a thin film.
It's is his entire body and a bit more.
Refer to him getting accidentally #rekt by a suicidal uber Angel who didn't want no trouble.
Your such a fucking fan boy holy shit. Accel lost deal with it.
He doesn't stop it, he simply reflects it's vector, do you not know what a vector is? there's no force being added to what he's doing he's controlling what makes you move essentially, and he's been shown to be able to reflect blasts of divine energy blasts and could easily survive several nukes.
Now I'm hazy on all the power up states OP added to Acel but does he still need to more or less touch things to control or affect them? If so flash wins. He could just run through him. Also he can be invisible which I would assume, make it hard if not impossible for him to be calculated into vectors. Again I'm foggy on all this angel power shit.
Side note the Flash makes Superman look like a bitch.
>Can he stop radiating heat?
Yes, he could also just warm himself up.
>Can he stop burning calories?
He doesn't need to, he can create energy from nothing with his power.
>Can he not get lost in a frozen white wasteland?
He could just sit there forever, without a care in the world.
He ain't going to listen to a word you just said. So just drop it and let him think he won.
Nah it loses to cosmic level stuff. Marvel cosmic shit is OP. Speed force is just DC planet level OP.
But does he still need to more or less be in contact with stuff or can he use his power over distances? Does he have an automatic knowledge or must he still calculate? If the answer to either is no he's fucked. Flash phases through his molecules causing him to destabilise. Flash does this while invisible or goes back in time and does it before the fight starts. Speed force can cancel forces like friction and chemical energy loss during its use for the user.
>that's not how metabolism works
He has plenty of carbon and hydrogen on his body and around it.
He can make as much sugar as he wants, so he's definitely not gonna starve to death.
He might be a tad malnourished when he comes home, but that ain't gonna kill him.
Not really, if you remember that he first of all has his clone loli daughter and his clone "wife".
Also, Academic City is easily the comfiest place in the entire world.
And Aleister is also gonna kill him if he decides to leave for good.
>not choose to live in glorious nippon
it's automatic when using the reflection ability, i.e. anything tangible or intangible that is a threat this isn't even accounting for his ability to use Heretical Magic or his ability to control vectors that don't or do exist, as long as the concept of the flash touching him or trying to phase him out exists he can control the vector of the action and redirect it, the only thing that can stop this is something that neutralizes or normalizes his ability otherwise no, the flash does not win because speedforce is still relies on motion, which is a vector. It would most likely end in a draw with the flash not being able to touch him and accelerator not being able to comprehend the speed he's moving at in his base form, if Accelerator uses his black wings that's a different story, as at that point he's using divine perception and could easily comprehend something in the material or intangible world moving at any speed, as again. Vector control.
What part of heretical magic do you not understand? besides it's been confirmed that time doesn't work like that, the flash would just create an alternate universe where accelerator would not exist, and either way the accelerator that he is fighting would still be there. The flashes power relies on motion in order to generate it's effects, motion relies on vectors, Accelerator controls vectors, this isn't a hard concept to grasp speedofrce is useless here even if he tried to time jump using his speed accelerator would just neutralize the speed he's traveling at, even as a child he had vector control so it's a moot point really.
Time Travel might get a tad wonky, but Angels are either capable of time travel themselves or just straight up ridiculously powerful.
Invisibility is not an issue, because Accel is blind anyway.
Lets be honest here, Touma managed to defeat both black and white-winged Accel. Granted, he didn't tr too hard with the white ones, but he still lost. And Touma isn't stupidly faster than light.
Despite that though, Flash would most likely not be able to touch him unless he learned to pull back his punches Amata-style.
No Accelerator no clones or level 6 project. I could live with that.
>Touma managed to defeat both black and white-winged Accel
The scene where Touma wrecked Angry Accel was written from Accel's perspective, so we don't know what happened.
The third time Accel straight up threw the fight, so people would leave Touma alone.
>unless he learned to pull back his punches Amata-style
Reminder that this is clearly bullshit and that the Kiharas lie, a lot.
All these people that think that Flash always begins the fight at the speed of light never read Flash, since he is like the ultimate jobber, just beneath Gil.
Flash would win against Accelerator because he would dump him into the Speed force, but that's it.
>relies on motion
No it relies on Speed Force. Which is meta force similar to the passage of time. It's speed force that stops friction destroying him as he runs or getting tired. It can create materials and destabilise atomic structures. It can allow travel forwards or backwards in time as well as maintaining the structure of those using it allowing them to resist the massive resistance of moving or colliding at near/light speeds.
Speed force doesn't give a fuck.
There's a reason the Flash is my favourite superhero.
But that's just plot convieniance. Also it depends on the Flash and the era. He beat a teleporting robot in a race around the world and laughed about it. It's not like many iterations had troubles going fast. If you want to gimp him lets just bring up all the Deathstroke tripping shit.
Either way time travel wins.
But the Speed Force dump puts you in an alternate dimension. IIRC when SBP broke out of it he also learned how to tap into the Speed Force
The instance where he beat instat teleportation? He was amped, he had to steal an entire planet worth of speed
You act like he can just do it without any problems what so ever. So if you hand me a nuke and tell me to disarm it i shouldn't have a problem right?
Goes to other side of the earth starts time traveling good luck stopping that Accel.
He has the brain capacity to calculate vector control of molecules faster than a super computer and can compress air into plasma. Nigga do you even read to aru? in his angel state he has all the benefits of angels of that dimensions who are basically overpowered as fuck and understand the worlds principles. Something like bending imaginary vectors for time and space wouldn't be shit to him. What part of this are you not getting?
Fuck its like talking to a brick wall Accel loses!
Get the fuck over it.
>You act like he can just do it without any problems what so ever
He can, that's the point of Angel Accel.
He doesn't have to figure how he does what he wants to do, it happens by his will.
Vector control is just an overpowered ability, I don't know what to tell you, in a power v power match it will win.
pretty much any marvel villain that can neutralize spiritual phenomenon could defeat him like touma did.
>brain capacity to calculate vector control of molecules faster than a super computer
The flash can live out a life time before you can blink. A super computer wouldn't even come with in 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 of that speed
What's the fucking point?
Reminder that this guy easily wrecks Elder God Demonbane.
In his angel form he can easily keep up and comprehend that kind of speed like it's nothing you faggot, read the l/ns before you start talking shit, the flash loses simply based off of the mechanics of his powers as they still rely on vectors.
The concept of time doesn't matter in the slightest as I've stated before with his white wings manifested he is near omniscient, shouting numbers doesn't change the fact that he has understanding of the basic laws that govern reality and time no longer matters. That number is not impressive to them, no speed the flash moves could be impressive to them, they are cosmic beings you stupid fuck.
This threads are worthless now that we know who's the strongest being in any universe
accel is a 7 on this chart
winged maybe borderline 8
so not a LOT that could beat him, but quite a few
also if he still has to be in proximity to effect shit flash will go back in time and rek him. Don't tell me that's not how time travel works either because that is exactly how it works with speed force.
I'll be having both.
You aren't even the strongest in your own series, Accel-chan
What part of he can control any and all vectors are you not getting? he would stop the flash before he even attempted to travel back in time, he doesn't even need to be touched by the flash when he's in angel mode, fuck he doesn't even need to touch flash when he has regular black wings. No matter how speedforce works it relies on vectors to do anything which guess what, Accelerator controls. This is a moot point as I've stated the only thing that can bypass his ability is an anti-skill power.
They're the same thing except magic relies on the idol theory.
He does not have to.
Aleister picks the reality where they fight.
He twists the truth of that world into "good triumphing over evil is evil".
Anything Demonbane will be evil and Demonbane has to destroy evil, so the Demonbane will self-destruct.
Fuck it im going to go cuddle with my waifu now. You Accel fan boys stay classy with you made up shit.
As stated in the eloquently worded chart, Demonbane can counter anything Aleister does completely, and can do anything Aleister does but better. Seriously though I feel fucking autismal actually arguing about powerlevels, can we stop.
Yugo could beat him. Given that he's been seen to function during induced stasis (time stop) its clear that vector/time/force controlling abilities don't effect him absolutely. He should just be able to punch him after a portal speed boost and knock his block off.
The problem with the flash is that his power operates using the very thing that accelerator manipulates, sin't there any DC universe heroes that have some sort of ability canceling power?
The way humans understand concepts is not how the actual underlying concept works.
Demonbane is not "justice as perceived by mortals" but an underlying absolute justice that supersedes interpretation. Even Nyarlathotep changing the rules of the universe cannot change what Demonbane is.
>This is a moot point as I've stated the only thing that can bypass his ability is an anti-skill power.
And yet Aiwass had no problem defeating the little faggot, and he wasn't even trying.
Accelerator isn't even that powerful in Raildex. There are many other characters more broken than him.
Could Powerman beat Stardust the Super Wizard?
I mean Stardust is basically Powerman before Powerman was a thing, well that and a bitter twisted force of cynicism and cruelty to those who he judges unworthy.
I never said there weren't you cock, but the flash isn't anywhere near Aiwass's level, that's the point of what I was saying, speed force isn't as broken as people think, multiple characters in to aru would decimate flash without even needing to try.
>And yet Aiwass had no problem defeating the little faggot, and he wasn't even trying.
Aiwass was in the same category as Touma.
The Age of Horus cannot touch the Age of Osiris.
>There are many other characters more broken than him
Can Flash defeat Fiamma "I win" of the Right?
Can Flash defeat Almighty "I win" Thor?
>Could anyone in anime defeat Accelerator?
>Capes mentioned in second post
Not even Accelerator, The Flash or OPM could defeat Yami. He'd challenge them to a card game and win by believing on the heart of the cards.
Fuck card games, want to play with some knives?
Accel doesn't choose what he reflects, he chooses what he doesn't reflect. being unaware of something doesn't matter, because anything he doesn't allow to be left alone will be automatically reflected.
Can he beat Madara Uchiha in a fight? and
I'm not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. Hell, I'm not even talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara. I'm not talking Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara. I'm talking about Sage of Six Paths Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano'o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu, a third eye Rinnegan capable of casting Infinite Tsukuyomi, and five Limbo shadows which protect him from all physical harm.