What makes Batoto so highly used and recommended among /a/? Every time someone links a chapter or a page is saved, batoto is linked or seen in the file name. So far the only difference I can see between this and other sites (ie, mangafox/reader/trader/whatever) is that Batoto has multiple languages available and nothing licensed overseas, which is pretty neat. But I feel like there's more to it.
Help me understand this hivemind.
Who honestly gives a shit? It's an unobtrusive thing in the corner that's barely noticeable anyways.
It's the exact same shit.
>Gives due credit to scanlators
I never pay attention to scanlator drama anyway, so this doesn't really matter at all.
It's one of the few online readers that doesn't touch the files at all. I still think all online readers are terrible just from a usability standpoint but if you have to use one then at least go for one that doesn't shit the images up.
The reason I like Batoto is because they allow me to fix uploads. Let's say I upload a chapter of Dumbpire and like a bwaka, I include a duplicate page. I can go in, delete the chapter, and re-upload it. Sites like Mangahere use bots to scour sites like Batoto and grab the first thing they see. Very rarely do they go back and get corrected chapters.
If you like those sites, that's fine, but realize you are often getting an inferior product.
>Who honestly gives a shit? It's an unobtrusive thing in the corner that's barely noticeable anyways.
Or! Or, it couldn't be there at all. Then it would literally be unnoticable.
>I never pay attention to scanlator drama anyway, so this doesn't really matter at all.
It doesn't have anything to do with drama, but at least give a due mention to the guys that put in the effort and scanlated that shit for you. I'm not telling you to donate to them, worship them or defend them in retarded drama(I also don't follow that shit), but at least give them that little bit of credit they deserve.
It's annoying that it isn't optimized for mobile yet, and their filesizes are huge and load slowly on data. That and there isn't a counter with the total number of pages in a chapter which is a huge pet peeve as that is something I like to check before I start reading any given chapter.
All of these reasons combined are why I use
Mangafoxinstead, but otherwise Batoto is my go-to place for saving pages to save, crop, and post.
>censors good manga (like Blade Play for example) because it doesn't fir their feminist beta fedora agenda
But that's actually a valid criticism.
Seriously, fuck their retarded hypocritical locking policies. They arbitrarily decide what's ""appropriate"" or not.
>So far the only difference I can see between this and other sites (ie, mangafox/reader/trader/whatever) is that Batoto has multiple languages available and nothing licensed overseas
ARE YOU FUCKING BLIND?
Batoto is the only choice because it hosts the original files, no the over a thousand times compressed and watermarked shit of other places. KissManga is the only alternative.
If you think it's new you are either disgustingly ignorant or a clear newfag. It's been around for ages and is basically just a terrible site that people use when they don't know better. It has a lot of other problems but that's the main reason it's the subject of scorn.
Seriously though, Batoto is just fine, but the obsessive fucks who have to champion it every chance they get make people hate it. Its like a religion. Nothing wrong with most religions out there, its the terrorists and bible thumpers that ruin it for everyone.
ばとと, it's a site for Japanese manga so I pronounce it in a Japanese way.
I noticed that too but I think it's actually just lazy uploaders who upload "ripped" chapters that aren't actually ripped. I noticed that chapters that are small and gross looking on kissmanga are still small and gross looking if I download them from nyaa.
>Who honestly gives a shit?
>It's the exact same shit.
I would use Batoto, as I agree with the procedure of giving credit, as well as the quality is overall a lot better, but I use kissmanga due to the function of having all the pages on the same screen and scrolling to read. It's just easier for me.
Since it only seems to happen with CR releases i just assumed it was some attempt to dodge copyright claims.
I've seen the same happen on batoto with gto paradise lost. Their chapters are literally compressed versions of cr.
Check this one.
>people actually like shitty low res watermarked manga
What the fuck? It's not even like streamfags being too lazy and/or stupid to learn how to download anime, it's literally the exact same thing, just on a different website.
This has to be a troll.
I think that's reasonable, since it's being officially licensed.
If you want to read older ones, support official release etc, but scanlation obviously gets things out before official translations can.
Shirogane no Nina.
Last one was kissmanga rip, this one is cr rip.
There are surely better examples but i don't feel like looking for them.
Huh. That seems reasonable. Sometimes they end up upping something that looks less/uncompressed later, too. At any rate, it tends to be my best bet to get manga stuck behind the CR or mangabox walls.
I've heard some people complain that it's TOO big, but then I have to ask if they ever realized browsers have a zoom out function.
table.chapters_list tr.row:not(.lang_English), table.chapters_list tr.row0:not(.lang_English), table.chapters_list tr.row1:not(.lang_English)
display: none !important;
You shouldn't need any further explanation.
Guess I got ignored.
Anyway, if you don't want to use Batoto, that's fine. Use whatever you want. I just prefer Batoto because it gives scanlators like me easier ways of fixing things.
Register, go to your settings, hide everything that's not English.
That's true but they rarely get mad over manga I read so I can just ignore them.
But there are apps like mangawatcher that fix that.
I wasn't around when madokami became a thing and I was always too lazy to look into getting the entrance information. I'm also too lazy to search the archive and figure out how to rip mangabox stuff. When it comes to this sort of thing, the only thing I know how to do is rip from viz.
>Since it only seems to happen with CR releases i just assumed it was some attempt to dodge copyright claims.
What?! No. Page with less quality/size is still the same page. CR can send letters of happiness regardless of quality or even having pages from manga at all (see baka-updates failure) at any giving moment, so it can't be reason if you not a retard.
So how long does it take the bautists to read a chapter. You people are making it sound like you stare lovingly at every page for several minutes just absorbing the artwork before moving on to the next page.
yeah, super weird how people care about things obstructing visuals in a visual medium
Mangafox's doesn't obstruct, but they do compress all to shit and the watermark at the bottom makes me want to puke if I ever read it.
As a scanlator I upload my work to /a/ and as far as I'm concerned that's it my work is done. If someone wants to upload it to ex or batoto that's fine. What pisses me off is when it's uploaded to fucking mangafox or mangapanda because of fucking eye cancer quality and watermarks, why did I bother to clean it if it's just going to have that done to it? Also they make a profit from it, the group don't see any money from it and neither to do the mangaka in Japan. They're a businesses. Scanlation should be fans doing it for other fans, for free.
Why are you defending what is objectively a shitty practice? There's literally no excuse for it. I'm convinced you're just trolling because your only argument is "Well I can just ignore it!" which is tacitly admitting it's a shitty thing to do.
And what's more, you don't even have to put up with it because sites like Batoto and Kissmanga exist, that host manga watermark free, and they are no more difficult to access than mangapanda or mangafox or any other shitty hosting site that watermarks.
So basicall you're just choosing to have low res, watermarked shit for no reason. Absolutely no reason.
>Sites like Mangahere use bots to scour sites like Batoto and grab the first thing they see.
I'll be damned if I'm going to use a site run by machines. Unless they're giant sized.
How are we butthurt? Because we get our manga in better quality with no watermarks at literally no effort?
I cannot understand the mentality of people who think this is elitism, it's literally you looking at a field and deciding to have lunch in a big pile of dog shit for no reason.
I wracked my brain at this one at i couldn't figure out any other reason for them to compress CR (and CR only) series.
The only other reason that came to my mind is that whoever is ripping it for them is retarded.
Then again, as i said before i saw the exact same thing happen on batoto.
This is gto paradise lost chapter 17 page 1 by "nosaj".
This is gto paradise lost chapter 17 page 1 by "CR".
Yes it is. That's the first thing I have to teach English Only People who are learning Japanese: syllables all have more or less equal weight. Americans tend to emphasize the first syllable, and brits tend to want to emphasize the second. In Japanese, default pronunciation is putting equal stress on every part of the word until you better understand the language.
Onemanga is shit what are you talking about
Even just looking at this random chapter: http://www.onemanga2.com/ookiku-furikabutte/117/1/
>turn off your adblock pls we need money ;_;
>compressed to shit images
go to any thread with a page from a manga as the OP and you will see a shit ton of batoto elitism. No one can even discuss magna here unless its gotten from that site. Who cares if someone just wants to grab an image from the fastest source they can use? Its a cancer, and until people accept the hate for batoto is not about the site itself, but the crusaders for it, then nothing will ever change.
I literally tutor Japanese to high schoolers. I laugh when I see braindead /a/nons act like they know what they're talking about. Just yesterday I saw some fool trying to convince me Japanese was a "tonal" language.
>>go to any thread with a page from a manga as the OP and you will see a shit ton of batoto elitism
No you won't, you mangafox shitter. They shit on you because you go to shitty sites like mangafox or mangapanda that watermark and reduce the image quality to garbage.
Nobody would give a shit if you went to kissmanga instead of batoto, or if you downloaded it from madokami, as long as the image is properly sized and clean.
Seriously this isn't hard to figure out. It's not about where the image came from, it's about the quality of the image. If mangafox didn't resize and turn pages into grainy shit, people wouldn't even care that they put their watermark below it.
OP here. Thanks for the constructive replies that did exist, I was honestly just curious. I'm a casual manga reader who only reads One Pissu trying to branch out into more series, and Potato's library is pretty decent.
The only reason I was drawn to it in the first place was because of Jojo's colored adventures.
The only reason I don't like kissmanga as much as batoto is that it's not as friendly with webcomic reader. Seems to be something about the URL or whatever, I don't know. At any rate, it makes jumping to completely different pages impossible sometimes.
Also, one thing I dislike about batoto is that if I do feel like turning ads on on their site, they have an ad that will cover two-page spreads if I'm using webcomic reader which twists my nipples.
It's not a tonal language, but pretending they don't emphasize certain syllables is simply incorrect. If you're speaking in the simplest sense of the language, in its basic rules, you might be right. However, in practice, a native speaker definitely puts emphasis on certain words if they're speaking in certain dialects. It's natural for this to happen in any language. Maybe you shouldn't be teaching Japanese.
I literally took 4 years of Japanese from actual Japanese language instructors at a college, who were being paid to do it.
Japanese is one of the hardest languages to learn period, but one thing about it is that emphasis is all over the place. it's different for every word. It doesn't have a hard and fast rule. Nearly all the words have a correct place for emphasis, and there's no logic to it.
Exactly my point here. This guy doesn't get it. People aren't trying to have discussions about quality here. They're trying to discuss content. And obsessive fools like this can't let it go no matter what.
Why are western manga fans such faggots?
Even western anime shitters aren't as bad. At the very least, they don't put up with retarded fansubber drama, while mangacucks actually encourage that shit with scanlators.
Must be aliens then, since there's no humanly sane reason to do this. While HorribleScans were around, I even made a script to clean pages and save in png to read it, since while CR quality is bad, it can be fixed, but this shit is just... I don't know. Aliens.
Nope, going to keep doing it to spite people like you till you either give up or have an aneurism over it. What a great obituary, died over constantly being worked up over other people's reading habits.
how do we "encourage" drama, exactly? By reading the shit we want to read? The only people posting on scanlator forums are 15 year old faggots, and as we all know, everyone on /a/ is
a twelve year old girl
>At the very least, they don't put up with retarded fansubber drama
Except that's not elitism it's "doing absolutely everything possible to avoid any discussion whatsoever."
And if that's how you define elitism, then even fucking /b/ or /v/ is elitist.
I don't want to discuss anything with somebody too lazy to even get a proper page of manga. Same reason I don't want to discuss anything with a person too lazy to find the source of an image on their own.
What it was built to do and what keeps it decent are different things.
It's completely true.
Even in something as cancerous as SNK, once they saw that Commie was being retarded with their Eoten shit, everyone just immediately shat on them and switched, instead of sucking their dick like mangafags would do.
>However, in practice, a native speaker definitely puts emphasis on certain words
That's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about enunciation, the pattern of stress on syllables that makes a dialect unique. In Japanese, all syllables are stressed by default. You gradually learn where to make exceptions for this as your vocabulary expands.
>I literally took 4 years of Japanese from actual Japanese language instructors at a college
So did I, and I studied abroad in Japan, and now I tarnslate manga and doujin in my spare time while tutoring kids over the internet.
>Japanese is one of the hardest languages to learn period,
If you're stupid and insist you know more than people who speak the language, then yeah. Listen when I say this: if you apply your retard American enunciation patterns to Japanese, you're gonna sound like a retard. You will sound very stilted if you use the default even-stress pattern, but you will at least be intelligible.
It's not free of it, but there's a lot less since the typical animefag doesn't put up with it nearly as much.
And it all stems from the fact that there are usually more options when it comes to fansubbing. It means that if one of them starts acting like retards, they can just switch.
Scanlators somehow forced the "rule" that only one group is allowed to work on a series ever, so it's very rarely that you can switch to another group doing releases. So it just leads to everyone sucking them off, even when they start being faggots. See: PROzess.
>Scanlators somehow forced the "rule" that only one group is allowed to work on a series ever
Must be have something to do with sheer manga numbers that wouldn't be scanlated if two or more groups did work at the same titles.
There's actually some good sense in that "rule". Manga is much harder to get out in different languages in a way that looks good. Rather than spreading forces, having people group up and focus down on a series is a much better idea. Furthermore, rather than taking another group's series, you're better off working on a series that has no scanlators. Problems only arise when a scanlator gets fed up (likely, since scanlation is stressful and mostly thankless) or when a group is fucking hellishly slow despite others being able to get scans out faster.
Maybe when they stop being massive faggots and translate half the titles that they have licensed.
Maybe then i'll give them my $4.00
>Scanlators somehow forced the "rule" that only one group is allowed to work on a series ever, so it's very rarely that you can switch to another group doing releases.
This isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's better than having 10 groups for each wsj series.
There's already a huge amount of manga that will never be translated as is. This isn't anime where everything will get subs no matter how shitty it is.
> everyone sucking them off, even when they start being faggots. See: PROzess.
Does anyone even care about prozess anymore? Literally the worst example you could find.
>This isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's better than having 10 groups for each wsj series.
Sometimes they are slow, and by slow I mean really slow. Sometimes they just drop it because "real life".
Are you telling me that that is fine? Fuck monopolizing manga.
>monopolies are a good thing!
And this is exactly why mangafags are shit.
You might get slightly more releases out of it, but it also creates an environment where they don't have to worry about quality at all, because everyone will just be forced to read whatever they can get and thank them for it.
>why does /a/ like this?
>it's superior in this way, this way, this way, and this way
>well i don't care about any of that and am fine with low-quality watermarked pages and fucking and ignoring the source that provides all of the content
I don't know what to tell you man, if you're not involved in the medium and don't care then it doesn't matter and I don't see why you'd ask in the first place except to demonstrate that you're an idiot.
I believe they have access to the whole jmanga library.
>Sometimes they are slow, and by slow I mean really slow. Sometimes they just drop it because "real life".
Yes and if there's enough interest in it someone else will pick it up.
And i only said that it's not a necessarily bad system, not that it's flawless.
>everyone will just be forced to read whatever they can get and thank them for it.
You don't have to read anything, no one is standing next to you forcing you to read things. If you think it's shit drop it. If other people also think that it's shit and if they care about it enough they will pick it up.
It's not like the magical dibs rule is gonna keep someone from taking over a project that someone is doing poorly.
Am I the only one that uses Mangahere to look up latest releases since it's the most streamlined and THEN go to Batato to actually read it?
Batato has the best quality, but I've always found Mangahere to have the most appealing place to look up recent releases.
It's the other way around - rule is flawed, but good.
>in free to grab scans and free to translate internet
Kek. You are free to make your own version. It's just that in most cases it's a retarded thing to do when there's shitton other untranslated series that people beg to translate.
>CR is the only group scanning or other groups aren't as far
>Quality?? Who cares about that, just give me quantity!
Kill yourself, CRfag.
>Yes and if there's enough interest in it someone else will pick it up.
>If other people also think that it's shit and if they care about it enough they will pick it up.
Except that's not guaranteed at all.
And if it does happen, there's a fucking shitstorm.
>It's not like the magical dibs rule is gonna keep someone from taking over a project that someone is doing poorly.
It's highly discouraged and virtually never happens.
Why are you replying to your own post?
>that's not guaranteed at all.
The only thing that is guaranteed is no translations.
>And if it does happen, there's a fucking shitstorm.
As i said, the system is flawed but it's not necessarily bad.
I'll give you an example, animexis hasn't dropped Teppu, they're extremely slow and the only reason that they're not a gajillion chapters behind is because the manga was on hiatus. Do you really think that anyone would give a flying fuck if anyone else picked it up?
>would you really trust CR to properly translate and release everything in the jmanga library with no issues?
No, i woudn't. It's CR after all.
But i would still prefer to have CR's passable releases than no releases at all.
You asked a question, someone answered your question, and you get angry at them for it.
Sometimes (rather often) you just have to use batoto because scanlators don't put download links or using batoto as their main site, so you ave to download from there (thank god for all those programs that can do it for you).
Then why don't you disprove a single thing that I said?
In the first place, if mangafags weren't such shit-eaters, things like mangafox wouldn't be a thing in the first place.
Fuck, even nyaa has more traffic than virtually any given streaming site.
The only one that has more in the US is crunchyroll, and it's easy to see that the majority of those are fujoshits who are doing it just to use the forums.
>I'll give you an example, animexis hasn't dropped Teppu, they're extremely slow and the only reason that they're not a gajillion chapters behind is because the manga was on hiatus. Do you really think that anyone would give a flying fuck if anyone else picked it up?
Animexis is at the very least 2 chapters behind. There are raws for 30 out.
And I can guarantee you if someone did pick up those 2 chapters, they would throw a bitchfit about it.
And all their fans would still suck their dick, regardless if the people who did them were shit or not.
>epic maymays notes on the border of pages
It's a long time since I've seem one of those, thank god.
Yeah, who pays for manga anymore, that's just silly.
Download your shit + honeyview, or whatever software makes you more confortable
If it's so completely and obviously wrong, why don't you actually disprove then? It should be trivial.
And yet even though everybody knows that they still suck their dick. It's especially obvious when they actually do get off their asses and release a chapter.
>at the very least 2 chapters behind
31 came with the february issue.
> they would throw a bitchfit about it.
There was an anon redrawing it on his own, he attempted to contact animexis and got no answer. If someone ends up releasing it, animexis has zero reason to complain about it.
>And if it does happen, there's a fucking shitstorm.
You mean the 2 persons who regularly check their site and post on their shoutbox? Even then i doubt that.
Is horriblescans even alive?
>It's a long time since I've seem one of those
You're not reading enough manga.
>I plan on releasing the ripper on github possibly.
I believe there is one available already. I don't feel like looking it up but i have seen it posted here before.
There's also the one that the anon who scrapes for madokami uses.
Do you people not understand any of the reasons behind elitism? Do you think /a/ just picks things to arbitrarily shit on?
There's no issue with the quality of images on batoto or kissmanga or readers like those. You can only tell them apart from downloaded images if they don't alter the file name.
Considering that there are plenty of people in shitting on online reading as a whole, yes, it's pretty arbitrary.
Mostly for the reasons you said. Unlike with video, there is absolutely no difference in quality between downloading static images and viewing them online.
For anyone that has actually half-decent internet instead of a third-world shithole one, there's not going to be any significant difference in convenience between downloading a chapter and viewing it online.
it's good quality
people should stop being elitist asperger retards.
>DURHUR I DOWNLOAD MY MANGA I ALSO SUCK 10 DICKS On a DAILY BASIS
Fuck off, holy SHIT. People that prescribe to this kind of rationale should literally off themselves at the soonest possible chance.
It's much easier to read completed series and only actively follow really good, frequently updated stuff than wait through the hell of hoping someone will pick up the twenty series that have been dropped for four years and that you've totally forgotten.
the reason why i don't Batoto, because when i load the home screen i see like 14 fucking chapters in Italian or Spanish. mother fucker do i look like someone who knows that shit.
>Considering that there are plenty of people in shitting on online reading as a whole, yes, it's pretty arbitrary.
There will always be parrots spouting shit they don't understand.
> For anyone that has actually half-decent internet instead of a third-world shithole one, there's not going to be any significant difference in convenience between downloading a chapter and viewing it online.
But there's is, especially if reader in question doesn't use pre-upload.
They should have filtered by language a long time ago. I don't know why they keep everything in one place, they definitively know which is which.
Nothing that a simple greasemonkey script can't deal with though
Yeah, MangaFox used to give credit to scanlators. It's business model of a dozen copies of itself has been a huge turnoff. It really lost the PR wars.
Scanlators haven't been left behind. All the major ones have their own reader sites, or link to Batoto.
That's why you see MangaFox's sister sites coming out with their own scanlations, they're scared.
I prefer reading mangos on my phone or tablet and so I use an app that downloads from Batoto and was wondering why I kept having multiple language of the same shit downloaded. I then realize that I never checked what I was downloading and set it up correctly.
It's perfect now
If you have proper internet, then load times between pages will be absolutely trivial, even without a pre-loader.
The only times it would be better is the rare case of internet or power going out. And that virtually never happens to me, even though I live in the middle of bumfuck nowhere.
Because you'll even notice, right? Fuck off. Who's that fucking autistic to scan every page to the very last pixel? If there's any quality loss AT ALL between downloading and viewing the same images on a site, it would be negligible and more of a formatting problem than anything else, you apex retard.
Are we making Madoka the new Lurk?
Lurk collapsed under its own weight. Reader sites have handled that issue well. I think a site like Madoka, taking from both Lurk and Reader site technology could go a long way for us.
There is. For example, with decent internet speed it's faster to download whole chapter and search for some page by just listing pages. There's many cases like this when downloading is preferable. Also, you can have fastest internet in the whole world, but it won't mean a shit if site itself has slow connection, or overloaded with requests, or something else.
Honestly, I use Madoka and a Batoto ripper for downloading manga, since batoto doesn't have licensed manga and Madoka is sometimes slow for new chapters to be put up.
Also download directly from scanlators where possible of course.
Desktop readers have much better features than browser readers like contrast/brightness levels, zoom (magnified glasses), better algorithms for scaling images, grab to move, single/double page, auto right to left scrolling, etc, etc, etc.
desktop readers give you much more options to control your reading experience.
And even with 1st world internet, it's way faster to just download the chapter.
With my 3rd world internet i download an average manga chapter in 10 seconds. No manga reader tops that.
>hey /a/ why do you like this
>because we like things which are superior in these ways and worse in literally no way
>nobody cares how better it is I prefer low quality watermarked questionable translations
>the person who asked
>has no interest in the question asked
Fucking hell. Is this the age of memes? I never asked for this. The normalfaggotry that has entered this website, or spread from it, is absolutely fucking disgusting. Every day I browse a bit on 4chan, I seriously consider just leaving and never coming back. No, it was never this bad. No, this isn't the same thing I said a few years ago. Things genuinely changed this past half decade, and not for the better, especially after moot left. The quality of posts has always been declining, and I'm nearing my tolerable limit on how low it can get. At least there are some newfags who can learn and not be cancerous, but the large amount who can't is really a shame. Goodbye /a/, I'll see you tomorrow. I'll keep searching for threads I can go in without encountering a large population of terrible people.
Unless the scanlators put out obnoxiously large pages, that's never an issue. I would think horizontal reading would be worse for that anyway because the images won't fully fit on the screen without having to move them around or scale them.
You don't know that. Perhaps he was someone who was actually making constructive posts adding to the discussion, while some side conversation about off-topic shitposting was happening, and he became annoyed. On the other hand, judging from your post, you probably would have been the exact opposite of a loss. And yes, I am making the assumption here that simply because you were lazy on language, that you also have other posts that are just as bad in other ways.
Now, I'll stop, and hopefully this off-topic shit can die too.