What are some aspects of older anime you'd like to see used more in modern anime?
I think a lot of people will say shading or color.
Even some blurays don't even bother anymore
Characters I can actually empathize with and therefore give a shit about.
More like proper fan service. One of the worst crimes Evangelion committed was saying there'd be fan service in the next episode for every preview.
And the show had almost zero fan service.
Are young japanese boys that stupid that shonen have to tell them what they are watching? For instance, MC is doing a super move and an off character is explaining the whole thing and what it's going to do. Then MC unleashes it and does exactly what the character just told you.
The only recent show I can think of that does exposition well is Fafner.
gorgeous animation for even a single season of 25 episodes
Macross tier music
subtle fan service
series that existed for more then being a vehicle for fanservice
different forms of bodymovement animation (akira)
different mythologies than just scandinavian and or germanworship.
woah woah woah, that's some high quality shit you're talking about there. You want the animation of Sword of the Stranger, combined with characterization from Gundam Wing/Cowboy Bebop, with Miyazaki/ghost in the shell tier shading/story telling, AND Macross music? Get the fuck out of here and enjoy your next harem animu.
But yeah, I'd really appreciate some high quality output. Too many episodes suffer from really bad firstepisodeitis with apparently half their animation budget spent on the first 15minutes of the show and then 23 episodes of moving stills, mouthmovement stills, awful movement, and lifeless backgrounds.
I always credited FMA brotherhood for consistently good animation throughout. Even when things were slowpaced it never got so bland and boring as some of the shit you see today.
Women getting put in their place: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5nWHx8iR9s
Remember the last time we got a full hand drawn animation? Remember Redline? Remember how shit it was?
CG can be great when studios like Xebec use it.
That intro sequence is so great. Just the drawing quality in that series alone is great. It's the Martial Law scene that gets me to this day though, particularly the part where the camera moves across a building that mirrors the reflections of other buildings. The only thing I can keep thinking during that scene is that that level of detail and that level of fluidity with some of the complexity that Ooshi demanded must have been so hard to draw. I'm unconvinced any of todays animators save maybe Shinkai would even be up to it. Maybe Sunrise Studio 8 could pull it off...maybe.
The problem is most of the time those people are comparing something like an OVA with a television series which has vastly different budgets when if you go and pick up any of the many unremarkable TV shows of the past they will be just as lacking in detailed shading and if not worse. People who haven't seen much old anime besides the ones that always get brought up are the only people that think good shading is something to do with the time the anime was made in rather than the market conditions changing meaning shifting budgets and formats.
>I'm unconvinced any of todays animators save maybe Shinkai would even be up to it.
The animation in a Shinkai film is not special at all. The art may be detailed but the animation is just average.
Yes and no. Disney has sort of helped popularize it with recent hits like Wall-E and Frozen, but there are still plenty of people that want to preserve the traditions of Japanese animation and actual 2D drawings.
>The art may be detailed but the animation is just average
You can only have one of them, not both. There's a reason hand-drawn Disney stuff isn't very detailed, but extremely fluid in animation.
I prefer detailed art + average animation. I don't mind not seeing the characters not moving like spastic children all the time.
That's different though. Anime CG is hindered by the fact that they have to make it look natural with 2d backgrounds, usually resulting in ugly cel-shaded garbage or just very plain and clunky looking CG. Pixar doesn't have to worry about blending in with 2d backgrounds so their CG can actually look good.
I know. It's hilarious to read comments of people who called Attack on Titan 'edgy' for this reason when in fact it didn't even have half of the gore JoJo has. And JoJo is never called 'edgy' on /a/ as far as I know.
>different mythologies than just scandinavian and or germanworship.
>The problem is most of the time those people are comparing something like an OVA with a television series
You can play that game with tv series as well, Card Captor Sakura, Slayers, Mahou Senshi Luis, Trigun, Orphen, Gaogaigar, Macross 7 they all had great quality, much higher quality than most of the shows today.
OVA are just the final nail in the coffin as the quality is just tremendously, unsurmountably high.
You're completely right about the market, that still doesn't change that anime today is much worse than it was in the 90's/80's
>otaking retarded shit
I'll give you a tip:"old anime *shading* is not better then modern", and no, it's not a big complaint because majority of anime viewers simply don't give a shit.
>You can only have one of them, not both.
Depends on the budget and time constraints involved. There are definitely movies and OVAs that have both.
>"old anime *shading* is not better then modern",
eh, sure big guy, might want to check your eyes though.
>it's not a big complaint because majority of anime viewers simply don't give a shit.
So because the vast majority of people are plebs I should be a pleb too?
Fucking underdog mentality.
All I know is after seeing Patlabor 2 for the first time again since the actual 90's a few years ago (I honestly barely remembering seeing the old Manga Entertainment VHS release at a friends house literal decades ago) it kind of put a lot into perspective to me as to how even modern computer assisted 2D animation that some people feel is so great compared to 3DCGI kind of pales in comparison to the traditional hand drawn cel art with a budget under a good director at the top of their game as was the case with a lot of stuff coming out during that early 90's period. I mean there were some gorgeous looking films coming out during that late 80's early 90's period that have aged way better than some stuff that came out only a decade ago. I think it's a movie that every anime fan should see at least once if only for the experience, especially if they are of the kind that think that the absolute pinnacle of animation quality and cinematography are recently popular studios like SHAFT, Kyoani and ufoTABLE.
And yeah true, Shinkai is pretty much better with detailed artwork than actual fluid animation.
Already have that on my list. Starting Gunbuster tomorrow then GitS.
I don't know. I'm saying it's more expensive because it was what Mizushima said in the Conqueror of Shamballa behind the scenes extra. But that was ages ago. They still used some CG in that film anyway.
>much higher quality than most of the shows today.
There must be a limit to be so delusional, because this is just being plain retarded.
There's a many factors outside of format that playing on how good show will look, but then again it doesn't matter because you are deluded retard, you obviously don't even watch the modern shows enough, simply deluded yourself into thinking
>oh new shows sucks
>old is better
Oh and anime today is moved from 00's, but I bet you also didn't realized even this.
>it's old so it has to be good hurruddurrr!1!
>old anime was best anime! what happened to manime!!
Anime was good then and is still good now, end of story. Kindly fuck off to /tv/ or /v/ if you're going to be such an obvious casual.
For me the texturing on CGI models and the way they move at a more clipped frame rate than most stuff is what I have a problem with. At least I'm starting to see some non-CGI cars in some recent anime again. It doesn't happen often, but for a while I swear I was only ever seeing the CGI version of cars. You used to get such nice car artwork in older anime too.
Edginess that would make most newfags shit their pants.
Yes, this is totally a new thing
>eh, sure big guy, might want to check your eyes though.
>all had great quality, much higher quality than most of the shows today
Nichijou, Dennou Coil, K-on!, K-On!!, Hyouka, Kaiba, Haruhi, Tatami Galaxy, Gurren Lagann, Kemonozume, FMA:B and so on
There are plenty of examples of TV shows with great animation just in the last decade. There are just far more swamping them that are shit. Maybe not all of them listed are "muh detailed shading" types of great animation or maybe not all are as consistent as something like CCS but they have great animation in other ways.
I don't mind full CG anime, Knights of Sidonia actually looks quite stunning. I don't like CG on 2D backgrounds.
Would the Rebuild films count as having great animation?
>I'll ignore the point and just say something like ad hominem
>didn't even say anything but"hurr it looks good cuz I think it's good therefore it is truth"
So you where just baiting all along?
That would explain alot.
There's much more of good animation even in not so much great animated shows overall, and you didn't even listed a half of good animated shit.
This guy seems to be a huge newfag who seems to not even being familar with actual "modern shows".
It's like one of those.
>I watched like a lot of anime, like a whole of 20 animes
>i'm such a nerd
I works as an example that quality tv-series are still produced, but it also tells that the industry as a whole doesn't care much about quality in tv-anime since it's just one studio.
Because people can't simply admit that the ratio of Good to Bad was simply much better in the 90's/80's than it is in the 00's/10's
No one would deny that there are some great anime talking about both animation and details, but the late 80's/90's were literally the golden age, it's a fact, the industry was at its peak and the economy wasn't fucked up as it is now.
>Starting Gunbuster tomorrow
With all the moaning over animation quality of today it's kinda funny seeing Gunbuster here. You'll know why when you get to the last episode.
>>Posting shows from the 70's
So anime from the eighties is "older anime", but three years earlier and it isn't? Your sense of time appears to be shaped by a childhood of mercury, alcohol and repeated heavy blows to the head.
1. The adventure feeling.
Characters moving to various places meeting different people in oposite to "static" anime where all the action happens in the same city/school.
2.Variety in desings.
Both in clothing and monsters in oposite to generic CG dragons and all the cast using the same uniform.
3. Uncensored violence
Yeah, I'm edgy, now give me back my nightmarish anime. The reason I don't wan't a Franken Fran anime is because I know with nowdays trends it wouldn't work at all.
6.Absence of selfparody/references to the industry.
I'm perfectly fine with Idols in shows about idols and otakus in SOL about otaku life but don't understand why we have to have anime otakus or an Idol characters even in medieval anime.
>Gunbuster is a fucking classic, faggot. It's got some of the most memorable scenes I've ever seen in anime.
Except the plot is extremely poorly developed, fanservice up the whazoo, shitty character development, melodrama and cringeworthy voice acting. The action is completely lacking and flat until the 5th episode. The very final episode, the climax of the series, being black and white and the major battle being a fucking slideshow was just incredibly disappointing. The only good episode was the 5th episode.
Gore that's more than just someone spouting a blood fountain and that raw look of hand drawn animation.
Also a mecha anime that uses sound effect straight out early Gundam
If there is a modern mecha anime that uses early Gundam style sound effects, please let me know
>With all the moaning over animation quality of today it's kinda funny seeing Gunbuster here. You'll know why when you get to the last episode.
I certainly hope this is a compliment, because the final episode of Gunbuster is one of the finest experiences anime has to offer.
So 70's is not included in your "old anime is better belief"?
That's not an example of anything, because anime is never being much high quality, good animated shit being there and there occasionally, and it's not only Kyoani, but again I can't expect from bunch of bandwagon idiots.
Have you ever noticed how 90% of the time, "older anime is better" people only ever mention shit that was licensed in the 80s (mostly sci-fi otaku OVAs) and 90s anime? It's because that's fucking all that they've seen. They probably grew up in the 90s, watching anime on TV and buying 80s OVA stuff from various stores, so they've built up nostalgia for that stuff. But they usually don't actually go out of their way to seek out old anime, and in the rare case that they do, they only watch stuff that instantly reminds them of this supposed 'golden age' (i.e. robots and sci-fi and space)
Don't get me wrong, sci-fi/mecha/space stuff can be great! But what bothers me is the extreme close-mindedness these people have and how it all seems to be fueled by nostalgia moreso than actual passion. You NEVER see them mention amazing 80s anime that isn't for sci-fi otaku and doesn't use the typical MUH SHADING style, like Gosenzosama Banbanzai, Gauche the Cellist or Chie the Brat.
They also pretty much don't talk about the 70s at all aside from Leiji Matsumoto stuff (sci-fi and thus acceptable).
Meanwhile the people who DO talk about all this stuff tend to not be 'old anime was better, fuck newshit' types at all.
>industry as a whole doesn't care
I'm sure they would love to put out a better quality product but that depends on budgets and TV budgets have always been low for anime ever since Tezuka sold Astroboy under cost price in 63.
Because they only mention a very small handful of the same shows everytime and claim that those shows are infinitely better than any show produced in the last 16 years "just because'
Might as well post Tetsujin and laugh at how shit it is, the 70's rarely had good animations, you can get some nice level of details in shows like Polymar, but the animation is always choppy and laughable.
>different mythologies than just scandinavian and or germanworship.
It's always Ragnarok, Freya or some other shit.
And when you have something fresh like Slavic myths or tribal legends - it's generic moeshit.
Exactly my point. But casuals like a lot of the people in the thread only watch a single bad mainstream show from a year and then they deem the entire decade garbage. The exact same can happen if you cherrypick in the 80s/90s. I'm sure you can find even WORSE shows in the 80s/90s than you can find in the 2010s. There's good anime all around which is why you should't base your preconceived notions over whether an anime is good or not on on irrelevant things like the year it was produced
Randomly watching this '80s mecha show and it doesn't look too good either.
>mad that people don't like your cute girls.
Well done using the "moefag" boogeyman. This just proves that your opinions are invalid because of your own inexperience with the genre, and that you don't belong here and should just fuck off to whichever shithole you crawled out of.
That one in particular was pretty bad, was gore for the sake of gore, zero substance.
I remember It even had some live action gore scenes mixed with cheap guts tricks
Casual nudity which doesn't ruin the plot, just some extra beside the plot.
Seriously why should I watch series which plots are just poor excuse to show bitches naked (and, what even worse, censored even on th BD), and why can't I see nicely designed anime characters without their clothes if they are happened to be in anime with actual story?
Rebuilds look like shit. EVA has God tier art design and the animation is pretty good. Rebuild has shit art design with a little bit better animation. CG just destroys all uniqueness in the drawing.
My brothers in arms!
>it's old therefore it's better
And completely disregard everything that is made in 00's or now, for the most stupid reason I ever see, yet they didn't even watch anything for the most part.
Reckless use of budget to do something completely left-field and won't make a dime but is absolutely amazing. Seriously, my impression is that the ONLY impetus for making anime nowadays is "will it sell?". What happened to risk-taking studios and directors like 90s Anno and 90s Gainax?
Nipples got exchanged for ass, hips and vagina bones. Deal with it, titfags.
They either left the industry/got fired or died. Anime is basically all about selling a product now, with character designs being more important than practically anything if it's an original series.
Casual nudity is the only way to have nudity that is non-intrusive, and it is literally nonexistent in modern anime. In the rare occurrences that full nudity is shown nowadays, it's always made a big deal out of.
This is how nudity should be done >>121756495
That's what I am complaning. That you can see either shows with shit tier plot, but actual nudity. Or good plot but, in that case, you should forgot nudity.
I want good anime with nudity like in the good old times. Is it too much to ask?
More based and down to earth anime females along with Shonen heroes who aren't whiny, cliche', and are actually cool to watch. Yusuke Urameshi and Ryoko were my favorite growing up and I barely see any other characters who were as fun and based as they were. Their emotions and actions felt a lot more realistic and it made them easy to relate to.
>This is how nudity should be done
This is fucking OVA, with occasional fanservice which this moment is.
By the way, stop cherrypicking shit as it's fucking common thing.
>In the rare occurrences that full nudity is shown nowadays
>i watched only 20's animes
Doesn't those "old anime is not better" do exactly the same thing? They cherry pick the same handfull of shows with cool animation disregarding the other 22 shows of the season that one appeared?
This season there is an studio with 5 different shows and the 5 of them have low production values.
I'm not gonna say everyting in the 80s 90s was gold, and not gonna say everything in the 00s and 10s are shit, but if you pick any anime from the 80s 90s ANY not just the licensed you will see that at least they put effort on making them, may be the story was bad, and the animation mediocre, but damn, they tried.
Pick any show right now randomly and tell me if you can say the same about it.
The industry is not based on making something for a proper audience kiddy shows for kids and mature ova for adults and fighting series for teenagers, is all about produce as much series possible to sell the merchandising/source material they are not interested in the anime itself that's why they put little to none effort.
When they did ovas, the ovas were the product, so they put effort on it.
>I'm not gonna say everyting in the 80s 90s was gold, and not gonna say everything in the 00s and 10s are shit, but if you pick any anime from the 80s 90s ANY not just the licensed you will see that at least they put effort on making them, may be the story was bad, and the animation mediocre, but damn, they tried.
he did, it started out on an early time slot as a show for kids. Anno was playing it straight at first but then suddenly stuck his dick in the proverbial pooper and went full serious business.
He also drove gainax near bankruptcy (the whole thing of him recently buying back the IP of eva was because they had to sell all sorts of shit to make sure they could make an ending)
Man, your reading comprehension is just abysmal. I never said anything about the frequency of casual nudity in older anime. I said it's practically nonexistent in modern anime.
I'd say Oreimo's popularity is pretty much te reason why every hare should contain a little sister nowadays. But it was thanks to the original LN and not the anime adaptation.
The thread is about what we are missing from new animes which was in old ones. Casual nudity is something what I missing from the old times. Of course there were non-casual in_your_face fanservice shits back than too, but these ones are avalable nowadays too so why would I miss them?
If we're going by the actual definition of iconic, none of those are acknowledged especially for distinctive excellence. They are widely known, but the word you are looking for there is "mainstream".
How about loli nipples in kids shows?
I want Sci-fi to return to its glory.
And more guns of any kind.
There is too much fantasy.
Well usually when loli nipples or shota dick was shown in older anime (even gundam had dicks and nipples), they weren't sexualized. It was not pedo bait. The animators just had balls.
>bashing everything that is made after 1999 is the same as telling people that it's nothing but being delusional
>muh epic mature shows where done in 80's and 90's
>they where full of great stories and all that kind of stuff blablablah
That's all about it, nothing but delusions of newfag who don't watch anime alot.
>it's old therefore it's better
>even if it's shit
Nothing but being biased as hell.
I can't really put into words what I miss about 20th Century anime; a picture is worth a thousand words.
I think stuff like Sidonia and MJP did that pretty well due to the fights being mostly in space. CGI mechs don't look that bad if they don't really clash with the background that much.
Modern day counterpart of said image.
>less super robots
>In old anime
The biggest problem with modern anime, is that 20 years from now I won't be able to watch it at 20KQHDSUPERWIDE because it's all fucking capped at 1080p already.
For shonen especially: Main Villains that do more than fucking sit in their chair and plot, occasionally showing up to taunt the protagonist.
We need more antagonists like raoh that go and fight side characters. while the protagonist is doing other things.
And while we're at it, character death.
I want to see more main characters die part-way through the story.
Not some new character added to be killed, not a main character at the very end, I want to see main characters die on the journey.
Well, that kinda looks weird. Like it's ripped straight out a video game or something. Different parts of the video being at different frame rates doesn't really work that well.
I'm well aware that not all were like that, but the ratio was certainly bigger than today. You'd think that with the higher number of series being produced today we could get a higher number of quality shows.
Because these faggots exist in EVERY single medium. They whine about the same shit every time. What they don't seem to understand is the quantity has gone up significantly in modern times which makes it seem like there's more bad stuff even though the actual ratio is probably still the same.
Anime fags are the worst in this because they see like 10 anime from the 80s/90s and think they have enough of a sample size to make any educated judgment on the quality of anime from that time.
I'm watching Nadia right now, and half the time they don't even bother painting inside the lines.
On older shows like that you can very easily see where they're saving the animation budget and where the money shots are, in extreme cases you get stock footage then low budget pans and flapping mouths the rest of the episode.
TV anime has always been sketchy quality. Strangely enough, it's done nothing but get better on that front so I don't know what people are complaining about. I think I heard the highest budget TV anime ever was GitS:SAC, and that aired in the 00's.
>for its time
I hate when people use "for its time" with regards to animation, it implies there is some kind of linear improvement going on with respect to time and that animation is on some upward trend along it. Really there is no relation what so fucking ever. The same goes for the term dated. All you need to do is look at the 40s/50s Disney films or shit like DYRL/Akira that still blows anything modern anime can do out of the water to know that is fact. It is just a matter of skilled artists, time and budget. Nothing to do with technology or date. The only exception I can think of to this is the shit that people like Ohira can do in Wanwa the Doggy when with digital colouring.
>it implies there is some kind of linear improvement going on with respect to time
It implies there is some kind of linear improvement with respect to labor quality and the increase in budget.
Unless you think budgets have generally increased and the skill of artists has aswell over that time it makes no sense. I already pointed out examples from earlier in time that modern anime has yet to surpass so the implication would also just be wrong.
Yes budgets and skill of artists have generally increased. On average, a TV anime produced today will have better animation compared to a TV anime produced in the 80s/90s. Art direction is a whole different issue but in terms of pure animation, there is an increase in quality regardless of what your nostalgia tells you.
And you pointed out Akira and DYRL which were movies. If you think no anime movie from recent times can match its quality then you're just incredibly biased.
1, they aren't. Most of them use barbie doll anatomy or doesn't change a shit.
2, the whole point was that we miss casual nudity. Not ecchi show which only selling point is may or maybe nipples on BD, but shows which has good plot, well-written characters, oh and, by the way, they show nipples. Not in the
>please buy our BDs
but in casual way.
That's the type you won't find nowadays.
>On average, a TV anime produced today will have better animation compared to a TV anime produced in the 80s/90s.
>there is an increase in quality regardless of what your nostalgia tells you.
That sounds like your bias to me.
Akira was a huge shit all over anime back at the 80's because before it was basically choppy slide-show.
It's not something yet to surpass, because it's being surpassed by movies long time ago and tv animation improved since then and tv-shows can put some nice show without being a movie or OVA.
You really sounds contradicting because you making a statement that good animation and whatever has nothing to do with age and stuff yet saying that modern stuff is yet to surpass old stuff.
Buf according to you, if there's no relevance, there's nothing to surpass.
Yes. Only Reifags and blind retards think otherwise.
EVA TV looked like fucking dogshit and every reversion looks better than the previous one, Rebuild is no exception unless you just autistically hate 3DCG of any kind. One thing I like is how the EVAs are actually scaled in Rebuild while the TV series had them all over the place in terms of it.
>1/3 of the film are used scenes from the TV series
>1/2 of it is live action
I really love how expressive CGI is in the West. One of the things I wish anime did better is show the slight nuances in facial expressions a lot better. Obviously that can take a lot of work but seeing some of the Disney or Pixar movies, it's really great to see how expressive and alive they make their characters look.
>the whole point
That you are deluded
>it's not ecchi/fanservice because I say so
It's not casual nudity, it's fucking fanservice, because you don't show naked girs and their tits without any reason and then saying it's "casual".
Wanna casual nudity go watch some KnK it has some tits but purely because it's rape scene, now that's a casual nudity.
>You really sounds contradicting because you making a statement that good animation and whatever has nothing to do with age and stuff yet saying that modern stuff is yet to surpass old stuff.
That has nothing to do with when it was made it is just the fact of the matter. There is animation from the 1940s that is better than anything ever done by anime. This alone proves that animation has no relation to time.
>Reckless use of budget to do something completely left-field and won't make a dime but is absolutely amazing.
Thank fuck that stopped since 9 times out of 10 you came out with shit.
>Akira was a huge shit all over anime back at the 80's because before it was basically choppy slide-show.
No, just... no
>all these fucking animation experts ITT
This is otaking all over again
These threads always end up as cancer.
>There's no shading because color hasn't been done by hand since day one of digital production.
It's a period, art works as a pendulum, first detailed then flat, baroque, Bauhaus,... Now we are in a flat era, just look at the OSs nowadays.
>There is animation from the 1940s that is better than anything ever done by anime.
No shit sherlock, a movie like animation is better then tv animations, how did you figure that out.
First one is 1965 movie, what is that even supposed to represent?
And the second one is nowhere as good as Akira.
Akira being a great improvement for overall animation, which is what I'm talking about.
It's a well known fact.
>a great improvement for overall animation
No not really. It was more just the culmination of work through out the 80s towards a realistic detailed style of animation compounded into one big budget feature. It wasn't a massive leap forward as much as the bringing together of a lot of talent and money in one place. It is a high watermark in that style of animation that has yet to be reached again in anime.
I've said this before a long time ago but GitS:SAC does not really have good animation. People remember the good sections but go look again, especially at any epsiode in the middle. I assume it's because people were paying attention to the dialogue/subtitles that it goes unremembered.
There were short sections of good animation buts it just a couple minutes (maybe more in a more "actiony" episode). The rest tended to be things along the lines of radioing with there cyberbrains so they're not even animated talking or those recurring conference scenes that are always in a long shot with only a few, repeated frames of lip flaps (fig 1).
Excluding the repeated OPs, the sequence of good animation were short and sparse. 10% of the run time of an episode being animated well is not what I would consider "good animation".
>I think you have the time to do fucking anything
I'm at work.
Well, obviously you're very busy right now.
>People remember the good sections but go look again, especially at any epsiode in the middle.
The same can be said for every show listed in this thread as having "good animation"
Remember when we had those Kawaii uguu girls, now we've got some ugly ass muscular gay man, what the fuck happend.
I miss good old days.
Yes. The turn of the millennium was cancer.
Manly man protagonist, colors that aren't faded, and gore with intestine, bones, and a reasonable amount of blood. I don't know how many times I've seen blood just spraying everywhere like a hose.
Akira has a lot of poorly done shots that's made more apparent with the Bluray. People like you want to pretend that they didn't take shortcuts back then and that every frame looked godly which is pure bullshit.
>Plot that doesn't insult the viewers would be nice.
>The anime in OP's image is Angel Cop
>People in this thread unironically recommending Genocyber
Here's my laundry list:
1. Highly detailed mechanical objects.
2. A sense of adventure rather than things taking place in a single nondescript high school or city.
3. Shading, darker lines.
4. Less bloom.
5. Less reliance on disgusting 3DCG.
6. More tasteful fanservice that has a build up and is sprinkled throughout. Nipples slips, etc. There should be teasing involved. As it stands we get fucking giant moe blob ugguuu~ tits in our face from the get go.
7. Gore that shows organs.
8. Generally more oppressive, depressing anime, but without just throwing your usual casual of typical anime characters into the mix.
9. Return of OVAs, or TV shows that are released on a monthly basis over the course of a year so that budgets are higher.
10. Hand drawn animation.
>There were short sections of good animation buts it just a couple minutes (maybe more in a more "actiony" episode
So, the good animation was where it mattered. Your argument is retarded.
I know we love to argue, but I'm not talking about Akira, I'm talking about GitS:SAC. This line of conversation is off-topic.
But if you read my post you see that is an example, an example of the kind of scene that I am referring to, provided for your convenience.
I'm not saying "this specific scene". i.e. I'm not nitpicking.
>Things that are not my argument or beliefs at all
Again, "That's kind of missing the point of my post." I'm not talking about "a single shot" in GitS:SAC, or the other shows, or Akira. What I am saying is that even the most cursory glance at the shows animation, saying only "thumbs up or thumbs down" to whether or not is animated to a decent standard shows that GitS:SAC has a low percentage.
Nostalgiafgs are the worst. If their favorite shows from the 80s and 90s aired today, they'd shit all over them.
Gunbuster would be moeshit.
SDF Macross would be a trainwreck.
FotNS would be badly paced shounen shit with an invincible protagonist.
Ranma would be shallow otaku pandering.
Anime was good then, and it's good now. It's all the same shit.
Well, it's a fucking TV series, not a movie or an OVA. The art for the environment, characters, etc is also extremely detailed, so judging it by it's animation alone would be retarded. The show has plenty of other merits. There's nothing wrong with blowing your animation budget on the action sequences. In fact, you should be glad that they did that. No one wants to see a boring sequence of a character moving around and doing over-exaggerated gestures, the action is much more important than that.
>more realistic human proportions
>higher number of frame by frame drawn animation
>higher FPS (unless it's really good, CG is a huge cop out that ruins the moment)
>more naturally occurring fan service (a lot of it seems pretty forced now a days)
Hokuto no Ken
Card Captor Sakura
I am missing a bunch for sure but you get the idea.
How many iconic shows can you really point to in the past 5 years?
Not that guy. My first anime was FLCL on megavideo in 2011~, then I watched Madoka.
My favourite anime: Gunbuster, Revolutionary Girl Utena, Evangelion, LOGH, Gunsmith Cats, and Tatami Galaxy.
>hurrrr industries never change and art always remains of the same quality over time
You realize that saying "things are always the same" is just as wrong as saying "everything back then was better than today!"
Depends how iconic. Naturally people bring up Eva as an example, but Eva is the exception. Very few shows can call themselves peerless but Eva might be able too. Most shows in the 90s never achieved the popularity that Eva did but were still great or even on par with Eva.
So I think a lot of shows have been created in the 90s, 2000s, 2010s, that could be considered iconic and just plain great.
The grey is still there. It wouldn't be that bad if the dark outlines had actual darkness.
Or if they tried to have more saturation contrast.
I wish to know why anime after digitalization has lost so much color contrast. Do they pick bad pallets or something?
Ping Pong and Eccentric Family were pretty great shows that aired within the past few years. Death Parade from this season is pretty up there as well. Probably the most iconic anime of past era was the Macross Plus movie. Basically the definition of cool anime.
I know, and I hate it. If you like the texture of the colour they add or the tendency to avoid the loudness war then that's fine but the people praising them as superior quality are just wrong.
>Well, it's a fucking TV series, not a movie or an OVA.
I know. That's why I'm not "blaming it" or being harshly critical of the staff or anything.
>The show has plenty of other merits. There's nothing wrong with blowing your animation budget on the action sequences.....
I agree with this.
>so judging it by it's animation alone would be retarded.
I agree with this as well!
But that there are people making blanket statements saying GitS:SAC's animation is great, a statement just about it's animation, when it quite clearly is not great. And of course it isn't, it's a fucking TV series.
>Iconic means widely known but a further meaning refers to its quality.
You fucking listed Ideon, Urusei Yasturam Macross, Hokuto no Ken, Voltrin, Zeta Gundam, Project-fucking-A-ko, Saint Seiya, Bubblegum-fucking-Crisis, Ranma 1/2, Nadia, Lodoss, Sailor Moon, Shin0chan, Tenchi Muyo, YYH, Macroos 7, Conan, Kenshin, Berserk, Initial D, Trigun, Big O and GTO.
You've been taught to look up to those shows.
With recently airing shows, you're given no such preconceived notions that you're walking into something that's old and respected. On the contrary, there's a sort of group mentality that the best that a modern show can ever be is mediocre.
Maybe nostalgia isn't the right word. It's more like you've let the positive hype for the past and the negative hype for the present create a double standard.
Anime has been a pretty conservative medium.
There have been a few genre shifts that you can pretty easily detect and avoid if you don't like (I hate audience-insert protagonists, too), but overall, many of the themes and tropes that were in play in the 80s are still in play now.
Listen, I was listing iconic anime that Western and/or Japanese audiences remember to this day. If you think all of those shows are shit, good on you. I don't think many of them are great, either. But I would never ever argue that the shit made today is any better.
- hand-drawn mechanical design (not only mechs, but also cars and other mechanical stuff), I find looking 3DCG kinda boring and cheap (it's part of the fun looking at drawn pictures)
- OVAs that are not specials
- color palette and shading
- OVAs with tits, gore, car chases, etc.
Also, I kinda like drawing style of a lot of older anime.
>You've been taught
That would work if I had been hanging out on the internet and learning about those shows from other people back then. But I've only been doing this a relatively short time. I came to like what I like on my own.
This reminds me of something I miss.
Songs that are in the anime, that were created for the anime or at least chosen for the anime. Not as a cross promotion.
That's not what the original post was about. Now we're just getting into subjective "what I like what you like" shit.
>How many iconic shows can you really point to in the past 5 years?
Going by your list, off the top of my head
Attack on Titan
Kids on the Slope
It's not really fair, either, because the shows you listed took place over 10 years, not five. It would make more sense to ask for iconic shows that aired between 2000-2010, in which case I could list you dozens
>I was listing iconic anime that Western and/or Japanese audiences remember to this day
You listed Ideon which nobody gives a shit about today or even back then because it was canned and the people who do remember it remembers that the TV series was fucking shit.
Nobody remember Uruseu Yastura since it kicked off the piles of shit we get nowadays
Nobody remembers Voltron especially Japan since Go Lion bombed
Not only do Japs not even remember Project A-ko I'm pretty sure Westerns want to forget it
BGC is practically forgitten in both Japan and the West
Ranma 1/2....moving along
Nadia....also moving along
I/m pretty sure most people nowdays agree that Lodoss was not good same with Tenchi Muyo
Macross 7? Really? You could have used Plus the one people of both sides give a shit about
Nobody remembers or cares about Trigun, Big O or GTO.
Not him, but here's a comparable list I'd make for the 2000s
Di gi Charat
Hajime no Ippo
Hikaru no Go
A Little Snow Fairy Sugar
Read or Die
Ai Yori Aoshi
Full Metal Panic!
Full Moon o Sagashite
Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi
The Twelve Kingdoms
Witch Hunter Robin
Cromartie High School
Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu
Futari wa Pretty Cure
Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi
Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha
It really isn't as "all the same" as you think. Before the late night slot existed the majority of television shows were aimed squarely at children. There has been a huge propagation of anime aimed towards otaku audiences since then. The ways in which and the types of stories that are being told have changed dramatically aswell. Going from the 50+ episode TV shows more common in the 70s/80s to the OVA market and greater animation quality in the late 80s early 90s to the late night market coming about in the mid 90s. Not to mention the shifts in general art style and animation styles across the entire period. To say it is all the same and there are no legitimate reasons to hold preference for one decade over another besides bias is just silly.
>How many iconic shows can you really point to in the past 5 years?
Even if anyone lists iconic or good shows you or someone else will just shitpost like this nigger >>121760997. Come back in 10 years and once everyone nostalgia goggles are well tinted, you'll see how many iconic shows people will name that aired the last 5 years.
Bah, miss submitted.
Anyways, these anime are only 2000-2004. I wanted to slim down the list but it was taking up too much time anyways. It's frankly harder to do post 2000 because anime production on the number of titles ramps up. There definitely aren't anime as big as say Eva, but there is a great deal of quality that has come out in the past 15 years for sure.
>Nobody remember Uruseu Yastura since it kicked off the piles of shit we get nowadays
Stopped reading there. It's clear that you trying to voice your stupid opinion on something you're completely ignorant about.
I'd like to see animators not give a shit about reactions again.
You know, and just make the damn thing like they want to?