>>121858463 The Iliad doesn't cover that incident though. It only goes over the event of a few days of the siege of Troy ten years later. Closest thing to NTR within the Iliad is when Agamemnon confiscates Briseis from Achilles. (Which he later returns untouched.)
>>121858656 i love the sheer amount of assmad he causes the gods, and the best part is he not only gives the lot their collective comppance, he still manages to get back and save his family from assholes.
>>121858656 >True hero Y'know, I'm actually reading this for the first time in an unabridged form and I gotta say, I thought Odysseus would be more Heroic since theres a whole other in-depth story about him, but he's actually a gigantic asshole. A glorious asshole, but he's much less heroic then I imagined. Like I think in Book 3 or 4 Agamemnon is stalking the Achaen ramparts and complimenting all the Greeks who are ready for battle and yelling at everyone who isn't ready (even though word hasn't reached them about what they're even supposed to be doing), Anyway Agamemnon gets to Odysseus and is basically >Odysseus, you and you're men are not ready for battle, you are a disgrace >What the fuck did you just say to me you garbage commander, me and my men are literally standing here without a fucking clue what to do and then you come here and yell at us? I can't fucking stand you and your garbage conflict, most of us Generals didn't even wanna come on this shitty seige >Good rebuttle Odysseus, I was merely testing you Or something to that effect. Obviously I'm paraphrasing, but all I know is that his retort back was a really harsh burn and I was thinking to myself "Damn, Odysseus is kinda an asshole, isn't he?".After that I've started picking up on his dickishness more and more. Its cool, I didn't expect it.
>>121858784 Not really. Odysseus only gets back because he has Athena on his side. And he is punished for his hybris with Polyphemus by losing his entire crew and not being able to return home for a decade.
In Greek mythology defying the gods is always punished. Look at what happened to Sisyphus, Arachne, Bellerophon, etc.
>>121858906 Don't forget that he pretended to be crazy in order to avoid having to go to war, so he was effectively a draft dodger. Though Palamedes showed that he was sane. And Odysseus then framed him for treason and arranged for him to be executed in revenge for that.
>Odysseus never forgave Palamedes for unmasking his feigned madness, and played a part in his downfall. One tradition says Odysseus convinced a Trojan captive to write a letter pretending to be from Palamedes. A sum of gold was mentioned to have been sent as a reward for Palamedes's treachery. Odysseus then killed the prisoner and hid the gold in Palamedes's tent. He ensured that the letter was found and acquired by Agamemnon, and also gave hints directing the Argives to the gold. This was evidence enough for the Greeks and they had Palamedes stoned to death.
>>121859168 Hephaestus did have revenge against Ares and his wife though.
>Hephaestus and Aphrodite had an arranged marriage, and Aphrodite, disliking the idea of being married to the unsightly Hephaestus, began an affair with Ares, the god of war. Eventually, Hephaestus discovered Aphrodite’s promiscuity through Helios, the all-seeing Sun, and planned a trap during one of their trysts. While Aphrodite and Ares lay together in bed, Hephaestus ensnared them in an unbreakable chain-link net so small as to be invisible and dragged them to Mount Olympus to shame them in front of the other gods for retribution.
>>121859021 Truthfully I'd be pretty pissed too if someone put my infant son in front of my fucking plow while I was pretending to draft dodge. That was a dick move. At least Achillies tried to draft dodge in a way that wouldn't harm anyone, Palamedes put Odysseus' son at risk, which is by no way cool
>>121859165 Oh man believe you me, I'm having a blast. Even the unimportant shit is fucking awesome >Diomedes bursting into flames and stabbing Ares in the stomach >Hector telling off Paris all the damn time >Paris being a suave little shit bouncing back constant abuses and being a smug asshole >Big Ajax's duel with Hector and defending the ships >BRING THE FIRE, WE BURN THE GREEK SHIPS >Patroculus tearing through the Trojan army like they're bitches and killing Zeus' son Thats about as far as I am right now. Achilles is about to get his armor though, so I'm fucking hype. Can't wait to see some Berserk Achilles tear through the Trojan ranks because they killed his husbando
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