According to wikipedia:
"Ikuhara has stated that he likes anime with yuri elements because he feels that when a female character is given a male love interest, the relationship between them tends to overwhelm the other elements of the show."
Explain how this works please.
I guess he thinks that het romances often feel hamfisted and crowbared in, while homostuff starts off more subtle and stays in the background more.
Though I don't know if he's talking about anime where the romance is in focus or where it's just a token element.
But seeing as how Cross Ange lost a lot of its crazy steam just to sell you on Tusk and Ange becoming a couple, I kinda see what he means.
Although the same thing could have happened with a yuri romance.
That's the complete opposite of the truth.
Yuri overwhelms the show, whereas normal romance feels natural.
There's never been a case of yuri not taking over and ruining the series ever.
You mean like how the moment a yuri character is introduced into any slice of life series lusting for the main girl she instantly makes any chapter she appears in worse?
Fuck you 14 sai no koi. Yuri ruins everything.
Note how it doesn't that he likes lesbian anime, only anime "with yuri elements".
Yuri elements are usually part of most anime with a dominantly female cast. K-On! for example has quite a few yuri elements, but it does not contain any yuri romance. Actual yuri sells like shit, unlike retarded newfags like >>121968330 believe.
Yes, he makes yuri anime. But that's probably because he likes girl-on-girl stuff, not because he wants to protect the story from romance.
I saw Legend of Korra, so now I actually agree with him.
Because with a male love interest it tends to be the focus even if the show is about something else whereas in anime with yuri it's almost always subtle, probably overly subtle in many cases, but never distracts from the actual plot.
Keep in mind he's clearly not talking about anime ABOUT yuri.
He's 100% correct. There are innumerable anime that are ruined by absolutely terrible romantic 'sub-stories' that fail to run concurrently to the plot. Of course, anime gets away with it 9 times out of 10 because it has the most sex-starved demographic of any media.
/u/tards will try and say otherwise but the truth is obvious - he thinks nothing of yuri romance. He sees it as such as small and stupid thing that it doesn't hurt the rest of the plot by actually having any meaning to it.
He doesn't like to do hetero relationships because he finds them boring. Just about everything has been played out a lot so you really cant be creative in that department.
Ikuhara does love stories, but they are pretty unconventional. Penguindrum's love story was about ignoring biological survival strategies and sacrificing yourself for the people you love. It wasn't even love in the romantic sense.
Yurikuma is about sticking with the person you love even if society is telling you that you're wrong and nature is telling you that it doesn't make sense.
If I remember correctly, it was from some news site mistranslating a Miyazaki interview where he complained about Otaku and the current state of the industry as him complaining about anime in general
Shippers. Normalfags shippers. Just take a look at how things went when Naruto ended. Or all the people obsessed with "winning" and muh kissu in threads.
How many people do you think watched Hyouka to ship the characters whith little interest in anything else happening?
Check how the Garo threads changed tone when plot devices with vaginas started to have more screentime.
>How many people do you think watched Hyouka to ship the characters whith little interest in anything else happening?
I'm willing to bet quite a lot based on how "boring" everyone thought it was.
Shipping exists and will always exist in any form of fiction, because people feel attached to the characters.
The advantage of yuri shippers is that, while being the most autistic of them all, they don't need much to ship rabidly.
You can have a girl tripping onto another and that's all they need to believe they're soulmates and furiously love eachother. And they will hold onto that for all eternity.
>Check how the Garo threads changed tone when plot devices with vaginas started to have more screentime.
Jesus this. I used to love Garo threads but now I can't go in there without seeing shitflung about Ema and Leon and his waifu who died
Precure, Aikatsu, PreRhy, and iM@S all need to take this guy's advice. No romance is the reason why shows like Love Live and Yuki Yuna are so much better.
The Korra finale was mainly connected to the author joining tumblr, literally nobody expected Korrasami to happen and even their shippers joked about it being just a crack pairing, and see what happened
The fact that they succumbed to the fanbase so easily just shows how much professionalism they lacked as creators
There were like two hints during the last season that is.
Its funny how the authors tried to write it off by saying that they had planned this since S2 and yet that same season it Asami trying to suck Mako's face while Korra was away. Shit didn't make any sense. Season 3 was probably the best one because it didn't have any romance
>The fact that they succumbed to the fanbase so easily just shows how much professionalism they lacked as creators
Korra wasn't even good to begin with. It lacked the coherence of the first. I just don't know what the hell were they thinking when they made this.
It's really a let down. Oh well. >>>/co/
>he feels that when a female character is given a male love interest, the relationship between them tends to overwhelm the other elements of the show
Holy shit! fucking this
>in het relationships it's more of a power struggle
Men are on top, women at the bottom, as nature intended. In healthy relationships, there's no struggle.
He should just admit he loves lesbians instead of pushing such a flimsy justification. At least Shirow Masamune admitted that the only reason the Major is bisexual is because he didn't want to draw the butts of men.
I'm guessing he's talking about audience expectations.
If you introduce a hetero romance everyone expects you to actually develop it because most media does. No one has any such expectations for yuri subtext.
>Ikuhara Cutie Honey when?
God damn I didn't even realize how much I want this.
>he gets mad as shit that someones dicking his waifu
Because so many decent characters have turned into dere shit just because they got male love interests.
>female ones are more obnoxious
not in my experience, just take a look in any thread in which the mc has more than one potential love interest
You are now aware that this mindset is the reason why Ikuhara has major trouble to get his ideas for anime greenlit nowadays, even with all his old boys' club connections, and why Yurikuma got only one cour, even though it could've easily gotten more resources and everything if he'd rewritten it as Heterokuma.
In conclusion, he's just a bitter, disillusioned old fuck trying to rationalize why "nobody understands him."
We got people who suddenly wake up wanting to be a female when he was born a male.
The funniest part is that they laugh at people who wake up suddenly thinking they are dragons or these "otherkin" people.
I wish i die before this shit is accepted as a norm.
You're proving my point. You can't even get the nature of NTR right.
Fucking yurifags are the worst. NTR isn't even my fetish of choice and I know why their fetish exists. It's the exact opposite of cuck.
Shouma will never fuck a burning Ringo ;_;
That's how I interpreted it, but I think it mostly comes down to het romance having a disproportionately broader appeal than gay romance. There are people blowing romance out of proportion and letting it overshadow all other aspects of a given work in subtext yuri too, but it's just a small niche of the total anime fandom in comparison.
Opinion discarded, seriously. The suffering Leon went through actually allowed him to become a man through and through. It was necessary for his character to develop from whiny teen revengetard to protector and hero.
But the focus on the shipping in Garo threads is shit.
No you don't. It doesn't stop anyone.
Ange is firmly in love with Tusk. It doesn't stop people fantasizing about her and Hilda being together.
Edward Elric has a fucking family. It doesn't stop people from shipping him with Envy, Roy and Alphonse
Anna and Elsa are sisters and Anna is getting fucking married. Doesn't stop people from making incest fanfiction.
Forcing hetero romance doesn't stop shitall from happening.
Not that anon but that's basically what he is saying
The only decent het pairings he has done are Shoum/Ringo and the one from that obscure manga of his the Runaway bride or some shit
The explanation is quite simple:
>have male and female characters get close
>the viewers expect a romance with all that entails
>have two male or female characters get close
>the viewers will not have this expectation
When you look at his previous character progression, he needed to suffer to get the point of becoming a protector, rather than use his powers for revenge.
I mean fuck, Leon was insufferable during the first part. It's not like the suffering was just suffering and he didn't progress from it.
Usually as soon as there's a romantic subplot in anime everything revolves around it. Obstacles are based around keeping the two separated, the end game is about them being together, etc.
It perfectly understandable if you want your romance to not be the thing people focus on.
>Not that anon but that's basically what he is saying
Except it is not at all what he is saying. I don't know how to explain it to you, as it is so plain and obvious. It's not about pairings. Only retards care about pairings. The relationships presented need to fit the story and the themes of the show. If a certain kind of relationship is more suited to this than another then including that one over the other is the obvious choice.
Utena has (non-)decent everything. Are you going to claim the yuri ships are healthyand/or decent? Anthy and Utena are barely a romantic, and there's no way these two pretendious fuck-ups are a healthy couple. Juri and Shiori are even further away from healthy and functioning. Nothing there functions. Evangelion almost has more functioning romantic relationships.
What seems to be a running theme in Ikuni's works is fucked up relationships. Shouma/Ringo isn't healthy either. Nothing in YKA seems to be healthy. His characters seem to lack this basic human trait called being able to communicate.
Why are you using a /u/ shibboleth like 'het' if you're not from /u/?
It just invites misunderstanding, like for instance using "Toxic" or "Problematic" or "Shitlord" - SJW Shibboleths.
Just a friendly recommendation that it'd be better not to do that as it muddies the water
No, but Anthy and Utena came to understand each other in the end and their relationship in Adolescence was more on the equal/healthy side.
Juri and Shiori are seen mending their relationship in the end. Shiori's pure evil in the movie, though.
>It doesn't matter how it's written, the fans will always make it overwhelming.
This is true.
>And hetfags are much worse than yurifags in that regard.
And this is where I disagree. Yaoi/Yurifags can get on the same levels of obnoxiouness as the regular het-shippers.
There's this example in Kill la Kill. Nowadays everyone can say the show is devoid of romance, but back then when it was on air, shipperfags of all kinds and flavors turned it into a shipperpalooza, as if the regular KLK threads weren't unbearable enough.
It took the head writer to BTFO the shippers after the show ended to shut them up.
Never fails to make me laugh.
Same could be argued about any character but Akio. Revolution of some kind happened, conclusion is reached, relationships mended.
And I'm not sure whether the movie counts and how it should count when we talk about Ikuni's work, but it definitely shows more healthy relationships than the show.
He's partially right. More things to develop technically means that something else has to take a step back. But that goes for both relationships. At the end of the day it depends on the writing. YKA does have a good romance feeling too it. Certainly better than the majority of anime but that's because the focus is one sided and only lies on the romance side.
Its funny because the hetero shippers were r=the most obnoxious out of all of them.
Trigger shows an inkling of a onesided crush on Gamagoori's part and the fanbase thinks that the finale is them getting married to each other.
You're right, that's the perfect example. Gamako is cancerous as fuck and overwhelms the show, while Ryumako is a nice easygoing ship preferred by gentlemen.
They are more obnoxious to you because they like what you dislike.
The same thing happens on the other side, of course.
At the end, both are obnoxious.
No, I didn't dislike it at all.
But Gamako shippers were the worst of the bunch simply because if anyone voiced dislike or tried to put some common sense out there they suddenly feel attacked and they call anyone who disagrees with them a dirty /u/fag Ryuumako shipper.
That's true but Mako cares about almost everyone in the cast.
I love how /u/ fags love to grab onto this one screencap to prove their point when the whole random gay moment with your bro is not a uncommon trope in any sort of media and is usually just played as comedy relief
>To be fair, Mako isn't entirely oblivious to Gamagoori's advances; she seems to care about him at the very least.
The thing is that it took Nui to stab him to death for her to notice him. Anyone with a lick of heart would have been at least moved and we all know Mako it's not a heartless bitch and that's the kind of guy Gama is.
Obviously since he won't be able to get enough funding to procude more. You can bet that Yurikuma is this short plus episode 8.5 because he didn't manage to get enough money. Considering the sales, people just knew it would bombed and didn't invest more.
>Ange is firmly in love with Tusk. It doesn't stop people fantasizing about her and Hilda being together
That mostly come from how poorly developed her "relationship" with Tusk and that unlike Tusk, Hilda has an actual personality.
You mean going to a shipping thread where even the creators shipped the two together in the recent movie?
Wow, they sure are evil degenerates.
People ship Sora and Riku together even though they both blatantly have interest in Kairi and that's what started their whole fucking rivalry.
>They are more obnoxious to you because they like what you dislike.
Not the same anon, but jokes on you Gamako was my fave, the thing was thag after the effects of the euphoria and "hype" the show left, I realized everyone blew everything out of proportion.
Ep.25 and Nakashima shutting the fuck up every shipfag just was what they needed. Seriously.
I still ship them nowadays, but I perfectly know they aren't canon.
Did you miss every bit of subtext, symbolism and character development? It's a romance that focuses on character development instead of contrived romantic tension or conflict, and it's absolutely phenomenal.
Ikuhara should give us two shows a fucking year.
He's one of the few who thinks outside the box.
Not to mention a pulse.
Yuri shipping can get as obnoxious as any, but Madokafags are a class of their own. They should have gotten their own containment board like the ponyfuckers and get banned on sight everywhere else.
>simply because if anyone voiced dislike or tried to put some common sense out there they suddenly feel attacked and they call anyone who disagrees with them a dirty /u/fag Ryuumako shipper.
I have to say: This.
They tried to "send me back to /u/" more than once just because I was one of those who kept saying they were exaggerating their "relationship".
Welp, turns out we were right in the end. Based Nakashima.
>People ship Sora and Riku together even though they both blatantly have interest in Kairi and that's what started their whole fucking rivalry.
That's right. Also your post really takes me back. Is like I'm in 2002 again.
Kingdom Hearts fanbase must have being one of the biggest Yaoifags stews of the 21th Century.
And the one who messed up Tetsuya Nomura and started to recycle the The Bouncer character designs over and over.
Anno: Everyone understands that it's a fiction, but precisely because it's a fiction you have a pure feeling, you fall for the character to an even greater extent. You assume that an anime character will not betray you. Iku-chan said [to me], "in the last episode, please have Rei Ayanami get married and become pregnant. Just please betray the Ayanami fans. The Rei Ayanami they are thinking of is not real. The real Rei Ayanami gets married, and her belly..."
Oguro: (laughs) Ah, if Ayanami really existed.
Anno: He told me something like, "please, make them realize that, If she were real, she would get married, become pregnant, have a child, and grow older." I was thinking, "we don't have to go that far..." (laughs).
Oguro: (laughs) Iku-chan is a wicked man.
>Except he already learned everything he needed and developed as a character, before farm girl died. It achieved nothing. Absolutely fucking nothing.
It's ok to be mad about farm girl, but to say it achieved nothing is just wrong.
Leon had given up his life as a makai knight because of his failure to contain his rage, and had fucking attempted suicide. The whole farm arc was him learning to accept his failure and move on, and try to live a normal happy life. However, he gets blindsided by a horror, everyone dies, and he has a revelation. He realizes that he can't have a normal happy life, and needs to go back to being a knight for the sake of protecting the world/his loved ones (the ones still alive anyway). He never cared about the idea of "protecting", which you should fucking know by now is quite possibly the strongest theme in any fighting anime, but now he knows how important it is. His character was changed completely.
Leon had yet to fail to protect someone meaningful to him. His mother died when he was born. Garo was taken from him because of his failure to control it. When Lara died he finally went through the pain of losing something he didn't have the power to protect. This shit was necessary for him to understand his duty as protector.
Early designs of Kaworu looked like Ikuhara and one of the conversations Shinji has with Kaworu is based on a discussion Ikuhara and Anno had. Ikuhara denies that Kaworu is based off of him but he never tells the truth. Anno also admired Ikuhara's work on Sailor Moon. Rei is named after Sailor Mars/Rei. Rei is Anno's favorite sailor senshi. He even cosplayed as her claiming that it wasn't him but Sailor Mars.
There are a lot of shoujo romances where the guy takes over the girl and series to the point he is the focus of her world (and thus the series). Its kinda like Twilight where the girl just wants or "needs" a boyfriend. So even in Sailor Moon, I wouldn't have minded Ikuhara killing off Tuxedo Mask. The focus on Netpune and Uranus helping Sailor Moon was more refreshing.
You are this retarded.
Eva tells people to stop living in a fantasy world and learn to love yourself and open up to others. Fans do the opposite and start fapping to cartoons in their rooms. Anno tells them to stop, they don't. Japan loves Rei best. Ikuhara could have stopped this. He is the savior Anno and Eva needed but didn't deserve.
So Ikuhara is a filthy NTRfaggot, who would've guessed
Is basically porn for trapfags not really yaoi
I've always interpreted this as he's an idiot who can barely stay focused as a director, is semi-self aware of it and tries to avoid things he knows are just going to distract him even further. I get serious manchild vibes off of the guy so I attribute it to that, because anyone with any level of self-control and focus could pretty readily handle romantic elements and not allow them to completely overwhelm other elements of a story....like it can't be that hard that most normal directors would need to make the relationship a same sex one to keep themselves honest. It just makes no sense whatsoever.
>But making the lead female into a dyke has retroactively overwhelmed all other elements of the show, even though they didn't even get it on while on-screen.
It really didn't.
It's just that your autistic ass can't stop complaining about it on the internet.
The "normal" viewers were basically going:
>Oh what, those two are hooking up? That's a bit surprising, but they went through a lot together and have some chemistry at least. Good on 'em.
And that was the end of it.
And how the hell can you retroactively overwhelm a story? You watch the story that's unfolding on screen, some last minute asspull might sour your opinion of the series as a whole, but that doesn't change the way the rest of the series played out.
For the record, I expected these two hooking up more than I expected Korrasami. But I could still buy it.
Not a hermaphrodite but I get your point. I think yaoi with girly guy has to do with the fact women are tired of the one being sexualized. So for it to be a male, makes it better for them.
From everything I've seen lately indeed yuri stuff in shows is a horrible distraction for pretty much everyone involved. It's mostly cause series that have yuri elements tend to indulge in them heavily and entire episodes will grind to a halt for an awkward yuri fanservice scene to be shoed in and fans of such things also tend to go batshit fucking bonkers and feel the need to point it out and talk about it endlessly any time it happens in a show to the point where anything else that might happen gets ignored.
>And how the hell can you retroactively overwhelm a story?
I think he's more getting at the fact that, after the last episode of LOK, the ship was practically the only thing anybody talked about in relation to the show.
That said, I think he has the base problem all wrong; the problem isn't that the shipping overwhelmed the rest of the show, it's that the show itself had nothing to be overwhelmed. That single event was the only notable thing to discuss.
People would have refused to acknowledge the anime if it had treated their waifus that way.
It's like the difference between
1) giving people advice
2) telling people they are fucking retarded for not understanding it and that they should have asked you in the first place if they were this goddamn useless. Also, by the way, here's how it works.
In one of these cases, people don't listen to you.
Me too, and I want all anons to be gay with each other as well. It will be a beautiful twilight for the human race, full of gay love.
>anyone with any level of self-control and focus could pretty readily handle romantic elements and not allow them to completely overwhelm other elements of a stor
Congrats on missing his point.
>It just makes no sense whatsoever
Because you're an idiot who missed the whole point.
Yuri shipping with Madoka was kind of to the point where it outright seemed to influence the plot of the 3rd movie which implied that Yuri butthurt loev was what essentially gave Homura her power up. They also played up the kind of yuri angle of her and Madoka's relationship as well as Sayaka and Kyoko.
Uh huh, that why anime that get has even the slightest of yuri pandering gets literally "overwhelmed" by nothing but yurifags that only care about the yuri elements no matter how little or unimportant they are.
Pretty much every yuri pandering show serves as example, but Nanoha is probably the best case study.
I liked the developments that involved Homura.
Her being homosex for Madoka already seemed pretty believable in the series proper. The developments at the end, contrary to what a lot of people say, made perfect sense when you consider her character and the events of the TV series, and really did not surprise me in the slightest.
I think it was an alright movie, not great. Most things involving the other characters were blatant fanservice, like the Sayaka Kyouko ship pandering, despite Sayaka clearly being in love with Kyosuke in the TV series. Mami was mostly just used to write cool action scenes and didn't have an active role in the plot, nor was she developed in any way. Bebe was a completely useless character worth absolutely nothing. In general I felt that in areas not involving the main story between Homura and Madoka, rebellion was rather weak, but the backbone of the movie was engaging enough for me to enjoy it.
Like I don't enjoy yuri at all, but let it not be said that I won't give a yuri couple the benefit of the doubt if that is basically the center of the plot. I don't even think Madoka reciprocates, so even calling it a couple feels wrong to me, honestly.
Yuri for girls, which it was orignally aimed at? Those don't overtake the series. Most male yurifags aren't intrested in yuri or "girls love girls is the purest form of love" they want lesbo sex and pandering. They just want that, not actual roance and love. Sex !=Romance/love
I think that is a copout response. You can do all sorts of storytelling with hetero couples. It's not 'played out'. I get that he prefers yuri and that is fine. No need to jab at hetero like that though. And I love yuri myself.
As for Madoka, she definitely is very close to being a couple material. Most magical girl shows has a bit of a yuri edge where it's extremely easy to headcanon it.
>it started with very heavy focus on hetero stuff
The problem wasn't the focus on hetero stuff, it was the focus on Mako. He was a terrible character, and I feel sorry that the guy who voiced Iroh in TLAB had a faggot like that named as a memorial to him. But then that's probably why he was a terrible character, he kept being forced into a bigger role than he deserved because he was named in memorial. Bolin was the better brother.
It's just her phone really. She saved Kyousuke's number under "Kyou-chan", and when she gave up on him she was looking for a boyfriend that wouldn't require her to go into the menu and change the name.
This thread is taken largely out of context, I think people are forgetting he said this around when he was working on Sailor Moon.
Compare the old Sailor Moon anime where the focus was always on the girls and their friendship/teamwork while Mamoru and Usagi's relationship took a backseat. It allowed for all the girls to have a really strong and believable team and care about each other. All the senshi interacted and had unique relationships with each other. Relationship meaning friendship or yuri depending on if the viewer is wearing /u/goggles
unless we're talking about Michiru and Haruka which is straight up yuri
On the other hand the manga and Crystal, which can largely be agreed on are shit, focus almost solely on Usagi/Mamoru's romance and also sensei/shitennou ships. The whole story simply functions around the fact Usagi and Mamoru are destined lovers and everything else is just secondary.
So, in that sense I agree with Ikuhara. He's since proved with Penguindrum he doesn't mind het romances and can do them really well.
>I hate Utena-sama now!! She's not noble anymore! (sob) And I want to kill Akio, from the bottom of my heart.
>Akio, you bastard! You put your dirty penis, the one you shoved up Touga's butt, in Utena-sama!
I hate Ginko-sama now!! She's not noble anymore! (gau) And I want to kill Mitsuko, from the bottom of my heart.
Mitsuko, you bastard! You put your dirty tongue, the one you shoved Sumika's dead body, in Ginko-sama!
For all the autism in that article (if you want to call it that) it's really just an exaggerated version of the intended reaction. I too was shocked at that scene, as it involved Utena finally "losing" to Akio. Made the ending even better.
>Q: Ikuhara-san, Utena and Sailor Moon are two of the most popular anime amongst yuri fans. Do you intentionally include shoujo-ai subtexts in your work?
>A: No. I'm still able to make a story where it's between a boy and a girl. But I feel irritated to see my girl getting together with some other guy. I've tried to kill off Tuxedo Mask in Sailor Moon many times. But no matter how many times I tried to kill him, he gets resurrected so I only get angrier. So I decided it would be way better if the girl just didn't have a boyfriend to begin with. Of course I'm just kidding. In reality, if I have a guy in the show, the love relationship gets to have a bigger role than the show. And that would be an interesting element, but I wouldn't want that to make that the scene-stealer of the show. Most other shoujo shows are in that direction. It's about who-and-who are getting together, or who-and-who are breaking up. I thought it would be a loss if that would be the big motif just because a girl was the main character. I think there could be more shows with other motives than that.
Threads like these really make me wish I had the ability to be a director. It would feel great to know that you're making people blow a gasket over any statement you make in an interview.
Do you have better fashion sense than him?
>Pixiv is literally calling you a liar right now. No one is more obnoxious and persistently atrocious than yaoi/yuri fags.
This is an old comment, but I don't get this statement. Is making fanart obnoxious somehow?
I think it'd be weird to read doujinshi about yourself, but this is Ikuhara we're talking about.
Even if he denies being Kaworu
>I have been asked directly by a few people before now if I was the model for Kaworu. Where did that information come from? I was completely uninvolved [in Kaworu’s creation] as one of the principals. Kaworu is very good-looking, so if I said I was his model I imagine I would recieve complaints from his fans.
>>Yuri > Het
Yet another hack who doesn't know shit about character creating or storyboarding.
Oh wait! He's responsible for Sailor Moon, Utena, and Penguin? Really?
You don't need to be a director for that , just become an e-celeb attention whore who twitters every thought that comes to his mind unfiltered and there will be rage threads about you on some chan or another at regular intervals.
It's technically a non-denial denial - he never says Anno didn't base Kaworu on him. And I'm sure he was fucking with the interviewer as usual since he followed it up with
>However, it’s not the case that I have no idea at all [what the speculation might refer to]. During the period when Evangelion was still in its preparatory stages, I was in very close contact with Anno-san. At that time, the staff of Sailor Moon went on a company trip to an onsen, and Anno-san was also among our members. The two of us ended up talking the whole night. Even after everyone else had collapsed we went on and on, drinking sake and talking, sitting side by side in an open air bath and talking. So, I think the conversation we had that night had perhaps the same flavor as the exchange between Kaworu and Shinji. I also felt this way when I saw episode 24 for myself. Well, the situation with the bath was the same; that’s easy enough to understand.
tl;dr Ikuhara implies Toei staff started the Kaworu rumor as no one else would know about the onsen trip
ITT: Hetfags bitter that yuri is confirmed superior to anything with worthless male characters.
The thing about Yuri and even on /u/, people think it's going to last.
The Japanese see yuri as a stage in life for some woman and that if they stay at that "phase" they're being immature or childish. While the average Otaku sees it as being pure because you can never lose your virginity if you're a lesbian. They don't see lesbians as lets say the majority of the West views lesbians, as an actual couple, people who want to marry and ever so rarely adopt children.
So when he's talking about yuri he's talking about the Japanese female phase that some woman have. Which in turns makes it easier to focus on story and plot devices and not focus on the real thing like a heterosexual romance.
The Japs maybe "progressive" in some areas but are still in the 40's in other areas.
It isn't that there's an issue with male love interests is it? It's just that the vast majority of the time, Japan sucks at writing male characters in general. (Especially when it comes to romance.)
Culturally, their ideal of an attractive male is damaged, especially in the otaku circle. If he's too "alpha" then otaku will not be able to relate with him. If he's too "beta" he's too much of an unlikeable sack of shit for otaku to WANT to relate to him. If he's too masculine he's unattractive, if he's too feminine he becomes an object of fantasy himself. (trap) If he's realistically successful he'll probably be a boring salaryman or something, and if he's "fun" he'll probably something along the lines of a douchebag delinquent.
For this reason, it's extremely difficult for Japanese authors to make an appealing male love interest. On the other hand, they've more or less made waifu-crafting into a science. They know nearly every major appeal to the audience's interests and follow them accordingly, and they can continue doing that if they simply replace the male love interest with a female one.
The current state of the anime industry is basically a reflection of the fact that the japanese people are currently going through a crisis sexually and romantically.
>japanese people are currently going through a crisis sexually and romantically.
Apparently they have been at it for a while, since he made those declarations while working on Sailor Moon.
>ITT: Butthurt Hetfags
The tears are so sweet
Not all yuri is good.
TV and manga are but aren't over the top. The movie is. Do not watch the movie before the TV series to the anon who hasn't seen it.
That's besides the point isn't it? Population decline doesn't cease to be an issue simply because others are struggling with the same issue. Furthermore, the same problem will manifest different cultural symptoms depending on the culture.
Congrats, you know nothing about yuri. There are many, many yuri artists who write stories about adult women in real relationships, the manga artist of YKA, Morishima Akiko, prominent among them. She's also done comics and illustrations for actual lesbian magazines in Japan, such as this.
This is what Ikuhara meant when he said he wanted someone with "godlike" credentials in the yuri community. Hell, the bullshit you're describing is exactly what YKA is denouncing.
Sorry, but YKA was made by a woman for women, and the threads are full of rabid yuri shippers for whom the slightest inkling of the silhouette of a dick is worth an outrage.
They can't bear that babies are born from a man and a woman, as long as we aren't sure of whom the MC's father is.
You know, I think get his point.
I think about shows like Mai Hime where the major characters are all female, but then the main heroine has a male love interest and every time they gotta share screenspace the show's momentum comes crashing to a screeching halt.
The worst part about it though is that you've got this strong female lead and then you stick her in the general vicinity of her love interest and everything that was cool about her ends up in a blender. 90% of the time the heroine being compromised as such isn't even played tragically like when Akio fucks Utena, anime's just shit at that kind of chemistry.
Gets to the point where every time the faggot's on screen you contemplate dropping it cause it's just so exhausting to get through it.
I wonder if yaoi has that problem.
Faggot > Faglord
Especially since I was just stating a fact. Not all yuri is good. Your "It's yuri. That should answer your question." I don't know if you are joking about Utena or not.
>Faggot > Faglord
I agree. I didn't read the whole argument. I just wanted to point out that you shouldn't complain about name-calling on 4chan. Insults are the flavor that makes arguments interesting to read. You should however call them out for incorrect insults, just like you point out faulty punctuation. So you were right in having an issue with "faglord", but you should have articulated it in an appropriate fashion.
I think he's talking about actual canon couples, not crackshipping anon-kun.
Hetero relationships are very often done in a very classical way. Once the heroine gets a man she very often loses substance and character focus in favor of developing and focusing on her relationship with the man. So what essentially happens is she stops being Protag-chan, fighter girl wonder, and becomes Protag-chan, the girl dating Y-kun and also does fighting.
Keep in mind I dont necessarily agree with what hes saying though. I think a Yuri relationship can be equally detrimental in the same way depending on how its done. I hate myself for saying this because its tumblr as fuck but the main reason hetero relationships suffer from this most is because anime is very patriarchal in nature. Since most anime is meant for otaku and focuses of fulfilling a power fantasy via self insert, wish fulfillment, or escapism usually in the form of an ideal girl (ie: your waifu)
That comment didn't answer the anon's question and a lot of different things could have come from that. Instead of name calling, actually answer the question.
It was and is not an argument. I'm just clarifying a vague stament.
I think more anime suffer from a detrimental heterosexual relationship mainly because there are more anime featuring those.
Yuri is a minority.
Honestly the anime suffering the most from those are harem anime where the girls are one-dimensionnal as fuck.
Something I found while pushing the random button fiercely.
>Asuka is Anno's waifu
That's a weird way to spell Ikuhara- uh, err, I mean Kaworu.
Replace the self-insert with a well-rounded female that doesn't require our heroine to "castrate" her character while still achieving some semblance of emotional intimacy and devotion.
It seems so simple.
I knew there was a reason why /a/ wanted to be a little girl so much
Girls can orgasm multiple times with no refractory period. Seriously, it's a testament to willpower that all girls aren't constantly having non stop lesbian sex until they die of dehydration.
>>I can't tell my girlfriend I'm into anime!
>>I can't tell my otaku friends that I'm a lesbian!
>>But what really surprised me was...the huge percentage of people into yaoi!
Lesbian otaku, the same everywhere.
Thanks anon. I need to check out her stuff again. Hopefully her humor column gets translated.
Yes, because foreplay in a het context = "stuff the guy does that women actually like more than the dick to get them to accept the dick which is the guy's sole focus."
So yeah, lesbians just stick to the stuff they actually like.
You can do the same with a male character, gender means literally nothing. The main reason its a male centric problem in the first place is because of the unconcious mind of the writers or attempt to appeal to the target audience.
For example you can have a show like Katanagatari where the MC is just fine. Nothing would be gained of lost if Shichika was a girl and Togame was into girls.
I feel that feel. I would enjoy the cute friendly romance mental connection stuff but not so much as a tingle for the female form.
Are asexual lesbians a thing?
No, that's 23's yuri married couple. The futa girl is in an unconnected doujin and has fair skin and blue hair.
>all orgasms are good orgasms
>sex is about quantity rather than quality
Average yurifag's understanding of sex.
Ikuhara fucking loves that hat. I swear in 80% of the photos of him on his Twitter he's wearing it. And I'm sure he's worn it to all the Yuri Kuma promo events.
It's strangely endearing.
>girls actually secretly hated dick all along
>using your dick, hands, mouth, and body for sex is worse than using just your hands, mouth, and body for sex
I love yuri aspect, but this level of denial is cancer. Tumblr needs to fuck off.
>Lesbians enjoy more oral sex by a factor of 4.
How the fuck can you even measure that?
Nah he's just a female supremacist, like most yuri fans
Simple. If the question goes, "how many of your sexual encounters involved receiving oral sex"?
If the straight women answered, say 20%, and lesbians answered 80% (I made these numbers up, but it seems feasible), there's your factor of four.
Ikuhara is so brilliant that, as fans of anime, we are lucky that he favours anime as a medium.
It really sickens me that he gets so little respect compared to people like Anno, Shinbo and Yuasa. But I guess that's just because he doesn't take pains to make his work accessible.