I've never watched Bake or any of it's sequels, but I think Snake looks mega-cute judging by the images of her that gets posted. Why do people think she is a shit? What's so bad about her?
Just making sure I'm not in for a disappointed. I'm probably going to start watching the series right now. I've already downloaded Bake, Nise, Hana, etc.
Snake is my favorite girl, so idk just watch. Even if you don't like her in the end, you are getting a bunch of other girls which make the show worth to watch.
Some niggers just don't understand the pure love of a yandere.
Tsunderes will tsun for anyone, kuuderes and genki girls are molestation bait for every salary man on any train or group of delinquents (yeah that's right, she'll end up following them back to a love motel the next time they spot her alone).
We actually all love her, she's reminds us of ourselves.
And so we insult her because we hate ourselves and because she likes being insulted.
We're just being Tsundere to her like we are to eachother.
There, I ruined the magic, next do you want me to explain Boku no Pico and why we are all little girls?
Just watch it before you get spoiled.
Try to watch pass the snail arc as it causes a lot of people to drop it cause of how boning it is.
Also I don't hate snake I just find every other character better I will admit she was fun while she was a god.
Faggots like this like worst girl, so hopefully you will see the light soon enough.
If you like snake, I hope you grow tumors on your brain and get hit by a truck the same day.
She is basically 3DPD incarnate. All of the irrational bullshit you hate in women crammed into a cute package.
This culminates in her trying to murder the MC for getting a girlfriend, even though she had no intention to pursue him romantically.
I only started watching the monogatari series because of snake, starting with episode 10 of bakemonogatari then finished with otorimonogatari. I liked what I saw then rewatched the whole series completely.
Why else would I have a nendo of her pathetic ugly face in front of me right now?
You're a fucking retard and I hate you.
I love you
I don't really think any of the characters from monogatari are shit, she's just my least favorite tied with the phoenix.
Her design is mediocre I would say, but there are interesting parts to her character.
If I gave a fuck about getting spoilered I wouldn't be making this thread. I'm just trying to make sure I'm not horribly mistaken about muh future waifu.
She really doesn't.
I know autism is a buzzword but it's really what it is. He was nice to her as a kid and she got a little girl crush on him, and then he disappeared from her life. They reunite and the first thing he does is help her again and that crush comes right back, but it wasn't real affection this time, it was just a refusal to accept that things could change.
Circumstances changed, they had both grown up, the relationship wasn't the same as it was when they were children and the largest issue was his girlfriend and the other women that had gathered around him. She literally started to go crazy because they grew up, that's it. The whole thing was just a big "No! Things aren't allowed to change!" autism fit.
She is actually insane and delusional, to the detriment of herself and others.
My waifu was never nice to me as a kid and I still love her.
I totally agree she's autistic and it isn't normal love, but don't insult blind in-her-head love based on severe emotional problems.
That's the age of consent in my country. You jelly?
>She does love him, just as a husbando.
Even as a Husbando she should have noticed that he has a girlfriend. The fact is she know NOTHING about him, and Araragi doesn't even see her as a friend as they hardly ever meet. This isn't like Araragi is being dense and not see that she is interested in him or anything, Snake is just some girl who is his sister's friend and that's it. If Snake "loves" him, she would have tried to really see him when possible. She doesn't.
>should have noticed that he has a girlfriend
His sisters didn't until he told them, you would have to stalk him to find this out.
And eventually she did notice Hitagi and commented that she stood out, but as she's fucking nuts was probably just deluding herself to ignore the obvious.
>Araragi doesn't even see her as a friend
What? Yes he does. Not as much as someone like Monkey but they are still friends. They even went to the pool together in one of the short stories.
>she would have tried to really see him when possible
This is a fair point. But she's fine with having her love be in her head, she doesn't want to act on it, she's fine with having her cake and not even trying a bite.
Because she starts out cute as fuck, then abruptly gets derailed into a yandere because the author was pissed she was far more popular than the generic tsundere. Those tsunderefags as well as the edgelord batfags jumped all over the opportunity to shit on her, even though it's the author who's shit for turning her into that and not her.
>people expecting the personality of a Snake to not be extremely bitter and vicious
Why are you niggers so autistic? You should know what you are getting yourself into. She is a fucking reptile. She's only acting true to her nature.
Are you fckn stupid? No one is worst girl in monogatari. And I'll leave out your childish insults.
She's the best girl, OP. If you've been here long enough, you should know /a/ has shit taste in general. Just watch it and enjoy her cuteness.
Snail arc was the most entertaining, crab was shit and cat was mediocre.
Leave Snake alone, you're driving her to drink. ;_;
C'mon, anon-kun. You know you love to hate her.
It is possible, it's like rock paper scissors
Snake is just an immature fixation with magic making it dangerous. Cat is the one who victimizes herself because she gets off on being pitied and has emotional fits when she has to confront who she is and how she acts.
Snake would be an adoring pillow that would eventually mature a bit, get bored and move on. Cat would be an emotional, self-hating, passive-aggressive train wreck of a pillow.
But if you can't appreciate all girls in Monogatari for their depth of character, you're just a dumbass.
You are really dumb, aren't you?
>mixing up can and snake
Are you retarded? Snake is the only one plying the victim. Cat has actual serious issues she has to deal with. She doesn't deal with them very well but snake has no reason at all to act out and is still a little bitch. All of snake's problems are her own fault but all she does is play the victim and blame others.
The main difference between Snake and other girls is that she's not a beta bitch who enjoys being cucked.
"Cute as fuck" is a funny way to spell "delusional slut unable to handle her blossoming feelings of craving the D."
She could get the D from anyone of the constant guys asking her out, she just wants Araragis D and goes crazy not being able to get it while Crab does.
She has some pretty crazy tunnel vision.
Being a semen-craving dick demon isn't exactly the greatest alternative to being a dick-thirsty beta.
Snake is just immature. You can't fault a young adolescent girl who probably just started menstruating for being moody.
Cat, on the other hand, is intelligent and demonstrates a large capacity for self-control, yet uses these traits to tease and manipulate others. The scene in Crab's apartment in Second Season shows you how she doesn't even know who she is anymore when she starts trying to change.
The reason snake is such shit is because of all the losers, she tries the hardest to go after Araragi's cock despite the.fact that he's taken. Hence why her relationship with crab is so bad.
She's also the only heroine who isn't friends with a single other girl in the show.
So basically she's an envious bitch that ends up becoming a god and causing way more trouble than she ever needed to.
All the /a/nons are just frustrated, because no cute girl like nadeko would even notice them. She is being used to relieve stress.
Except the human thing would be to try and make relationships. If she were human she would try to be friends with people. Instead she just latches on to Koyomi as an excuse and causes trouble.
But in a character driven narrative she's exactly the type of person they need, so Nadeko's a good.
She's my third favorite behind Shinobu (1) and Senjougahara (2) so I absolutely like her. Sengoku's development was interesting.
The idea of a character trapped and conditioned by others w/o being able to express her true self was a nice alternative for a character that lacked development in previous seasons.
She and of course Kaiki owned Monogatari Series: Second Season.
I hope she will appear one last time in the next seasons.
>complete break form reality
>fabricates a lie that she herself believes in order to explain her actions because she can't face the truth
>can't stand the thought of a person she doesn't even really love being in a relationship because then she might have to start taking her relationships with other people seriously
>plans to murder multiple people, some completely innocent, over a crush
On top of that
>asocial with no friends, avoid social interaction at all costs
>lacks empathy and remorse for any of her actions
>disinhibited and bold behaviour in her attempt to get Araragi's attention
She's a textbook psychopath
And cat actually does try to change, why you're even trying to spin that as bad is a fucking mystery.
Snake has no desire to change, she's happy being a shit forever. The only reason there was even a break in otori is because she couldn't hid behind her cute persona and she had no idea who else to not give a shit about anything and get away with it.
>she tries the hardest to go after Araragi's cock
She strips for him to get off, but she never actually tries to win the harem.
>She's also the only heroine who isn't friends with a single other girl in the show.
She's great friends with Tsukihi, was so before she even met Araragi. Also Snail wasn't friends with anyone (for obvious reasons), and neither was Doll unless you count her master.
Tsukihi helps with Nadekos manga after she stops talking to Koyomi completely.
>she never actually tries to win the harem.
Considering how she went praying every day at the snake shrine in order to win him over crab when she found out they were dating and then completely snapped in order to convince herself that she wasn't lying to Araragi while trying to bring back the snake god I would say that's not exactly true.
Think about how much Nadeko tries to talk to him. Think about Koyomi and Nadeko's conversations and think about Koyomi's conversations with the rest of the girls.
She want's Araragi but makes no effort to establish an emotional connection. That's not trying to win.
You're right. That makes a lot of sense.
You need to cut middle schoolers some slack.
If you cut out all the supernatural shit, she was just a 14-year-old girl throwing a temper tantrum when she realized her fantasy wasn't going to come true.
Her temper tantrum was willingly planing to murder a bunch of people. Just because she was only able to do it because of supernatural shit does not excuse it.
She's the equivalent of the deranged kid who goes and shoots up the school.
Well, if we're gonna be completely honest, Snake is probably autistic (hiding her manga, having little to no friends, ignoring the emotions of others, exhibiting obsessive behavior and consummate fantasizing). The Twister scene might have seemed like mindless fanservice, but it actually painted a pretty poignant picture: Snake was flopping around and rubbing up on like a whore on MDMA while Arararagi was like "The fuck is this bitch doing?" with occasional boners because a cute girl was crawling all over him. Snake had never tried to form any sort of real emotional bond with Arararagi, so she didn't understand that her behavior was out of a lewd left field.
>She's the equivalent of the deranged kid who goes and shoots up the school.
You've never known many teenage girls, have you? They want to kill someone or want someone to die pretty much every five minutes.
The same way she could control her period and mood swings if he just tried really hard?
Monogatari doesn't sugarcoat your waifus for you, you get the whole erringly human package. Each girl is broken in her own way.
I don't understand. So she's a shit because of nurture not nature? What does it matter? Everyone is a product of their genes and environment. Does that mean nobody is responsible for anything?
Snake is broken and doesn't even try to fix it, which is why she's the worst. All the other girls realize what they are fucking up and work to fix it. Snake realizes it and says "Oh well, i'll just love myself no matter what instead of trying to fix my problems."
I was thinking balls would roll better with no grass, but then it occurred to me that if dirt were wet it would be mud and wet grass would work better.
You make me feel funny, /a/.
You just have to not get the field wet.
>Snake is broken and doesn't even try to fix it
You're idealizing a young girl. As someone said, she has the mind of a kid. Kids don't fix things, that pitch fits until someone sympathizes. The scene with Kaiki at the temple was so powerful because he was forcing her to face shit like an adult instead of keeping it bottled up and redirecting.
>Snake is probably autistic (hiding her manga, having little to no friends, ignoring the emotions of others, exhibiting obsessive behavior and consummate fantasizing).
I came into this thread just to tell you that you're an idiot. Being a shy, insecure, horny teenager is not a mental illness.
How am I idealizing her? Is expecting her to do something about her flaws, which she sees asking too much? How old do you have to be before you take some fucking responsibility for yourself? This is the kind of pampering that got her into this position in the first place.
>Is expecting her to do something about her flaws, which she sees asking too much?
Yes. You don't wake up one day being a responsible and mature person. It takes growth and guidance, which is what Kaiki provided her with.
>By twisting the lock open with a 10 yen coin
Reminder that he was also talking about his dick when he said that.
Monogatari's anime is drenched in symbolism. There's a reason Shaft is one of the anime studios other than Ghibli that was in the running for an Oscar nomination for Best Animated Feature for the third Madoka movie.
Not to imply that she was right, but she only actually hurt Koyomi and Shinobu (and Kaiki I guess but that was only after he lied to her and broke into her house).
And she still grew up, she openly worked on her manga with Tsukihi and stopped obsessing over Koyomi.
>you don't even really see her do that after Koi
Well then obviously since the anime doesn't show her past Koi.
Well, learn how to drop the s, because this is an English language imageboard and this particular section is devoted to anime and manga. I dare you to find any part of the internet more finicky and autistic about foreign linguistics.
Get back on topic, bakas. We were talking about best girl.
No, damnit. This is something very clearly stated by crab, which openly says to her at some point that even under different circumstances than her becoming snake god and trying to kill her, she would have hated her.
She's the closest thing there is to a psychotic 3DPD, yet somehow people here try to defend her acting like that.
>has TRIED to kill
Get that weaksauce shit out of here, son.
>Snail: Healthy C-cup handfuls in adult form
>Bat: DDs SLAPPING YOUR GODDAMN FACE
Why did best girl die before the series began? ;_;
Snake apologists please go
They're not. Kanbaru takes responsibility for her actions and continues to take it over the course of the entire series.
She heavily regrets her actions and if it wasn't for Araragi's whiteknighting, she would have chopped off her arm.
It's a pretty big part of her fucking character about how much she actually takes responsibility for her actions and the people she's harmed.
Ehehehehe. My bad, I forgot Snail is perfection embodied in ghost form.
Ougi is like the author or maybe producer of the story, she wants everything to go according to script and be proper, she even talks about the "setting" and can change the script to be a boy (not to suddenly become a boy, but to have always been a boy).
Teori was becoming aware of the story, he was questioning what he was doing there and why he was going against Araragi, saying he couldn't possibly find the answer, but he knew he was the perfect person to be casted in that position.
Gaen is aware of the script, knowing everything about the story.
Snake lives like a character of the story, she considers the main character to be the only thing that matters, and seeks a good "last boss" treatment.
Kaiki doesn't believe in the story, it takes him to convince snake that she is the main character of her own life. He doesn't believe in the supernatural.
Oddities are elements of the story, (it's what the story is about after all) they can't exist without someone to read them, and they are how they are read.
tl;dr it's meta as shit
Teenage Bat doesn't have cowtits though.
Her jump to adult form was pretty weird. She's already in her late teens in her teenage form, and then she grows like 10cm and gets tits the size of a watermelon when she's older.
Everyone knows 12 year old Bat is the best
>an unrequited lesbian swings him around by his intestines because she can't cope with her crush not wanting to scissor with her
Yeah, totally coming to him.
WHY COULDN'T SHE AGREE TO LET ARARAGI GET LOST WITH HER FOREVER
HITAGI WOULD COME
BAT WOULD COME
HANAKAWA WANTED TO TRAVEL ANYWAY
THEY COULD EVEN FIND OSHINO
THEY ALL COULD BE A WANDERING TEAM OF GHOST HUNTERS LIVING MUSHISHI STYLE
15 year old form where?
You know what's awesome about that scene?
For as fucked up as Araragi gets, no-one ever stops to think that Kanbaru has enough leg strength to kick through a semi-vampire.
That's Oshino shit right there.
I don't want anything else to live on this planet any more.
The most awesome part of that scene was that Arararagi got raped.
No no no. I'm in no way a crabfag but damn son. That's either you straight misunderstanding the characters or simplifying it down to. "They are both girls who like Araragi."
If Nadeko was like Senjougahara, she would have had the decency to kill herself after killing Araragi but we know she wasn't going to.
And Cat cut him in half, and bird tried to skewer with a crowbar/awl/knife and bee suplexed into an overpass. It's hard to find someone who didn't try to kill or main him in some way or other.
The difference is what they do after.
I think Shinobu has gigantism. She doesn't seem to stop growing like ever.
Raped in the Nise sense or in the "He got his shit absolutely wrecked" sense? Because I'm fine with both.
I don't think a vampires body is actually tougher in this universe, just heals. Hitagi stapled his cheek and he got hurt like anyone would, and his sisters break his bones all the time.
I still do.
I'm a huge snakefag and you are wrong.
Oshino confirmed best.
I want to see 10 years old Shinobu in Kizu-fucking-when ?!
Even if I rephrase it to "Kanbaru kicked a hole in a normal human with just her leg strength alone" that's still a nigh impossible feat for a small Japanese girl to do.
It was just one straight kick through and through.
Monkey offered her body to Arararagi in Bake and you can see her hand going down his pants in that snapshot. Crab and Arararagi humping is heavily implied.
For the sake of sales, they can't up and say any of the characters have boned, but it's likely Arararagi has fucked Crab and Monkey.
Speaking of, did I miss a scene where there were two mini-kiss-shots? or is this just shaft being shaft?
Well him fucking crab is not implied, it stated as clearly as it can be with the narration style we get.
Him and monkey is a little more fuzzy as it's mostly played as a joke but I'm sure he got at least a handy.
I doubt Araragi has seriously fucked anyone but Senjougahara.
I don't think that entire scene should be taken as anything but a joke that gets it's pay-off later in Nise when he sees Hachikuji and doesn't start the conversation with sexual harassment.
Which we all know, when you take the sexual harassment out of Araragi, all you're left with is a pitiful bug.
>Well him fucking crab is not implied
Not this shit again.
>Not taking everything at face value
How dare you imply everything we see in Monogatari isn't an exact 1:1 unbias account of what happened.
It's almost like you don't take things at face value. Do you even walk her home gently?
I can't possibly understand how anyone can think Araragi did anything sexual with Monkey when he's never expressed an interest in her sexually whatsoever. Not to mention it'd be insanely out of character for Monkey to fool around with her idol and best friends boyfriend.
Yeah, I was kinda stretching it with the Kanbaru sex, but I wouldn't put it past Monkey to give a bishounen with nice abs a firm grope in the junk.
>it'd be insanely out of character for Monkey to fool around with her idol and best friends boyfriend
Well...while I think it didn't happen, I would like to point out that she seriously tried to use her body to convince Araragi to drop Senjougahara back in Bake.
So it's not out-of-character, just like 99.9% unlikely to happen.
Obviously that was actually 1:1 true fact. There was no embellishments there, Araragi's face > Japanese Highways.
Kanbaru molesting him is probably within the probabilities.
Which is my point. It's not out-of-character because she has done it before. BUT because of the events of Bake, she just straight up wouldn't do it because she respects Araragi and Senjougahara too much.
Why does /a/ always assume the only lewd thing two people can do is sex?
Crab: Kiss in bake, sex in Nise, more sex in S2,
anal in Owari
Monkey: Touched his dick, doubt he even came
Bee: Lewd body touching and licking, at the very most she sucked his dick
Snail: Lots of grouping and a deep kiss
Snake: She probably came several times during twister, but he never did anything.
Shinobu: Weird masturbation "sex"
Cat: Just some oppai fondling
That's everything major right?
As evidenced by Hana, Monkey and Arararagi have formed a deeper friendship. Monkey probably knows Arararagi is a pervert, so friendly teasing by fondling his boy parts could be expected, especially given Kanbaru's erotically playful nature.
You're oversimplifying it by saying because Kanbaru offered sexual favors to Araragi before, it's in character for her to do it again.
What's actually the case is her offering sexual favors to break them up vs being sexual with Araragi for absolutely no reason.
They're completely different.
See, I found that weird. Araragi is the only person she's perverted around. Every other person we see, she's normal with except for Karen and Numachi in which she goes into Spaghetti Overdrive.
That makes sense and as such, I will agree with your point.
>They're kids, it was just more fooling around, you wouldn't fuck your sister right?
>They're kids, it was just more fooling around, you wouldn't fuck your sister right?
I wouldn't, but if I was Araragi and had Bee begging for me to do something to her, I couldn't resist.
Yeah man, I got myself corrected a couple of posts up.
I took it as "Because someone has done it before, it means it could happen again" but that was too simplified like you said.
>Araragi is the only person she's perverted around
That's kind of how sexual relationships work. You can meet someone's mom who goes to church every Sunday and think she's completely white bread and wonder how she has children, but in the bedroom, she likes getting her face smashed into a pillow while being plowed from behind as she hears about what a filthy slut she is.
The fact that Kanbaru asks Arararagi to help her sort her porn is just more evidence that she'd get a handful of cock and balls for shits and giggles given the chance.
There's a short story set after Nise when the fire sisters find out about Araragi having a girlfriend and Karen offers to have sex with Araragi if he breaks up with Senjougahara and remarks how she feels betrayed because he brushed her teeth. They almost certainly did not fuck, fondling is a high possibility though. Then again that whole scene was probably a lot less sexual in reality and it only looks as erotic as it was through Araragis perverted eyes.
Kanbaru, Senjougahara and Araragi are the perverted Trinity of Monogatari.
Given how she treats Karen especially with that passage in one of the light novels about how she basically gets super nervous around Karen. I wouldn't be surprised.
It didn't even take that long for Kanbaru-sensei to become Suruga-san either.
I'm typically not a shipperfag but I want to see those two have as much screen time together as possible.
Does it take you 3 and a half hours to post because of your tiny lizard hands?
It happens sometimes. It's just a fact of life, if you're wrong then just admit it, try to fix the mistake and move on.
There's no point arguing the point further and looking like a dick like the "Walk me home gently" guy.
They do share similar interests though I think Kanbaru would probably be getting dragged along with Karen's antics.
The Fire Sisters are actually loading themselves up pretty good with nice connections.
They have Hanekawa and Kanbaru on their side so far. They're doing pretty well.
Cultural differences, anon-kun. Penetrating an orifice with a foreign object is highly erotic in Asian cultures. Cleaning an ear with a Q-tip is considered a very intimate action.
He probably just brushed her teeth and it freaked her out because someone else was poking around inside her with something. Doesn't mean she sucked his dick.
Shinobu feels it every time he masturbates, it's like you've never read a Shinobu doujin.
Araragi loves licking bee. In the toothbrush scene she basically gave him permission to touch her breast before they were interrupted, and then they said they would continue where they left off. I doubt it went to far but something happened.
Their more recent works have been hitting pretty poorly to be honest.
Part of me wishes they'd just focus on Monogatari but then that's not financial feasible and the longer they delay Monogatari, the more money they will make.
The main problem is that Monogatari had complex romantic themes to explore, which warranted Shaft's ridiculously complex artistry. Writers like Nisio and Urobuchi aren't a dime a dozen, so the studio is suffering trying to live up to its potential in a plot vacuum.
What did Kaiki see, if anything at all?
Which was planned since Shinobu was sulking in his shadow since Araragi met Mayoi earlier that day.
Ironically, it helped Araragi and Shinobu reconcile by forcing him to ask her for help.
That sad smile she gave while being drained and Araragi figuring out it was a set up was brilliant.
>Cat: Just some oppai fondling
He was so chicken about it she played a prank on him. Now he'll never get to do it. Not even in a fantasy version made of his own creation was he able to.
It was kind of amazing the very thought of never being able to grope her boobs gave him the incentive to heal his broken bones.
It didn't actually happen iirc. One of the reasons the cat scene in Second Season got to me was the buildup of emotions from Hanekawa all this time.
Being cute doesn't make her a good person. She's a selfish kid who can't get a grip on reality. In the end she changes, but she's written to be disliked. People who call her best just overlook this and think shes cute, despite being called cute and her love drove her to insanity.
If you like her the best as a character, sure, she's a good character, but as a person she's worst.
Well she did literally get dumped and took on 18 years of pain, abuse, and the fact she never was, nor will ever be accepted by her "family" all at once. Most would probably cry over wasting their childhood and two decades trying to be loved and not being able to obtain it no matter what they tried.
They cut out her crying on her way home to her "parents" in the anime, which was a shame. It perfectly showed that her life wasn't suddenly rainbows because she accepted her emotions.