Just started watching the original Gundam after wanting to get into the franchise for quite a while but never getting around to it. I enjoy mecha so I knew it would at least be enjoyable. Some great characters with strong personalities.
Damn this is great. It is the father of Mecha afterall.
>B-BUT IT'S OLD AND STUFF
It looks amazing for a 1979 Anime. Sunrise knew what they were going.
>going to /m/
Gundam didn't really start looking good until Zeta, that was definitely ahead of most other things from the time.
The original Gundam series is still the best in my opinion. When you've finished that I recommend watching Zeta Gundam. It's also pretty good except that the main character can be kinda whiny.
Whiny? Kamille was just an angry angry young man. At least he didn't pull some of the shit Amuro did.
I watched it and thought it was terrible. ZZ a best. With Origin though now I kinda want to watch the movies.
It was my first old anime, besides Eva and I just couldn't accept the style. Plus I had some confusions about the plot that aren't all that bad compared to other anime or I was actually wrong about.
For example, Amuro and Char's age difference. This ace pilot is threatened by a teenager and has a rivalry with him. How is that believable? That's so cartoony. So silly. But actually, Char is only 20 or 22. Only a few years age difference. So it is less cartoony and silly than it seems. And of course there is the whole thing that Char's ace status was from just destroying ships, he did less than others. If Char was replaced with Ramba Ral, their rivalry/relationship would be not so believable. But in reality they are of the same generation as they act in Zeta and CCA and with Lalah.
Victory is the best gundam series and I don't give a shit.
I think characters were killed off too fast without proper setup. Victory has the best suit designs and best fights. (Not like Reco with 3 suits an episode but no reason to care)
I'm guessing a lot of people decided to watch Gundam since Aldnoah started and it was supposed to "surpass Gundam". And since the last two seasons were pretty weak, people decided to get it out of their backlog and watch the "classic" already.
The characters dying like flies was kind of a fault, but I guess it's an "everyone can die" thing.
Uso's definitely my favourite protagonist of them all though, I really cared for the guy. The fact that he never grew numb to killing people despite having the biggest killcount out of all gundam protags (and that's not even counting that he wiped out half a fucking spaceship fleet) really stands out to me too.
I was disappointed cause I heard it's the saddest gundam and never got sad, maybe if I had a fun ride mentality I would've been less disappointed. As I said the fights were great and Uso was great. And Katejina is one of the best villains of the franchise. Really it had a lot of fun shit going on.
Victory had some of the best designs (the Victory MS and derivatives are probably some of the best), but then there's also dumb shit like the dragon thing or that spider which feel like they belong in G.
AZ got me to finish Sidonia off my backlog.
Best UC Gundam series coming through. You may as well just hang it up when you get to Zeta, not of the other shows surpass it.
He probably means winter and fall.
Although that's no excuse, I enjoyed the fuck out of winter and fall anime, and I did what he said and watched 6 main Gundam series since summer and Fafner to boot.
Being NEET helps
I think Aldnoah and Origin kinda book ended the idea that this a better time than ever to get into gundam. As well as the early reco hype.
Started watching a couple of days ago. I'm impressed that while there's no denying that the animation is dated, the presentation is sharp and still very fresh. Tomino was less insane then than with G-Reco. Also despite the blocky look the original gundam is actually pretty enjoyable to see in action, it does feel like it has a personality as a military unit rather than being a giant plastic toy like pretty much all recent Gundam.
I watched the first 0079 movie and was a little put off by the fact that White Base just bounces around aimlessly from place to place without much of an objective in the story. And if they have the Gundam, which is supposed to be a super secret weapon, why doesn't the military help them at all? Do they even care?
Also, when does Char become the legendary character everyone says he is? I haven't seen much from him so far.
>And if they have the Gundam, which is supposed to be a super secret weapon, why doesn't the military help them at all? Do they even care?
the military pretty much become cunts after the original series. and the Gundam becomes outdated after a certain point in the war.
Amuro is just that damn good in it.
It's also part of the reason why Nu Gundam vs Sazabi is so one sided
>the military pretty much become cunts after the original series
They were cunts back then, too, but they just had one good guy, Revil, who was in charge. If Revil didn't interfere, Bright and rest of the White Base crew would have been executed for stealing the White Base even though they stole it to save it from Zeon.
>and the Gundam becomes outdated after a certain point in the war.
True. It's probably not that much better than the mass production types, but Amuro is a skilled pilot and a newtype.
God, you have no fucking idea just how much I wanted Uso and Shakti to just finally break free of the war and go back to their normal lives together and how happy I was when they were finally able to.
That shit always pissed me off. They would send several worthless parts who can't do shit to aimlessly fly around and then be forced to merge in the middle of combat.
Why not just skip that and merge immediately? Why even unmerge in the first place?
Took advantage of a terrorist attack to hijack a Gundam solely to take potshots at a guy who made fun of his name. I only wish we had protagonists like him these days.
That's just show how senseless war is in tomino's mind.
That's why the kill count is so high\random and even underwhelming (some people die as if unimportant) in victory, because tomino thought that glorifying death on the battlefield, would also glorify the war that brought that death.
Sometimes happened in his series some charismatic death, but looking at ideon you can see the guy meant it.
Tomino best director.
Judau was the strongest Newtype, Amuro was the best pilot, Kamille had the potential to be almost as great as Amuro, since he too designed his own mobile suit and got very skilled in the art of shooting and dodging beams, but that got fucked over by Sirocco and Fa. Banana was pulled along by his ultra advanced machine. If you stuck him in a Jegan against any of the other Gundam mains in a Jegan, he'd get spanked ten times out of ten.
>Kamille had the potential to be almost as great as Amuro, since he too designed his own mobile suit and got very skilled in the art of shooting and dodging beams, but that got fucked over by Sirocco and Fa.
I've always liked that Kamille didn't stay a pilot. He was able to really move on and rejoin society in a way that Amuro never really could.
>He was able to really move on and rejoin society in a way that Amuro never really could.
Wasn't Amuro put on house arrest after his deeds in the One Year War? I bet that would put a damper on living a normal life.
the funny thing is he was going to retire if he lived at the end of Char's Counterattack
>Wasn't Amuro put on house arrest after his deeds in the One Year War?
He was being monitored by the Earth Federation in his big mansion. But he was also struggling with post-traumatic stress, so even if the EF weren't keeping him in place I doubt he would have been up to much.
08th MS Team had the potential to be the best Gundam.
Of course, they ruined it with the shitty cross-faction romance and prototype mobile armor bullshit and turning the MC from a guy who was fighting for Federation against Zeeks who gassed his homeland into an anti-war idiot who went out of his way to let enemies live on the field of battle.
It should have just been about a bunch of scrubs fighting Zeeks in the jungle. Maybe with more focus on guerrillas if they needed drama and politics and to hamfist a romance.
Amuro became a military instructor and lived off the Haro patents and his military pension in a mansion with servants that were "secretly" Fed agents. Amuro lived like this because Lalah's death scarred him and he was too scared to go into space because he couldn't deal with the possibility of having to confront Lalah's Newtype ghost. Even in CCA, you can see he's still kind of messed up about Lalah.
I have, and I thought it was kind of so-so. But then I saw BFT.
At least Builders made an effort to focus more on ranged combat, and yeah the choreography was pretty nice.
>implying he doesn't enjoy doing that every night
Zeta Gundam was full of autism,
-Good reasons why women should not be in the military,
-The Argama need to buy better locks and have guards checking the prison,
-What the fuck are you doing, Emma, leaving your mobile suit during a battle.
-The NRX-055 Baund Doc is cursed to be piloted by autistic Newtypes and getting kicked into exploding battleships.
What if mobile suits actually needed keys to start the engine so not every dumbfuck could just walk in and steal one whenever he feels like it?
I really liked F91. It could have been so much better as a full blown series (especially if it had Turn A like pacing), but at least what we saw of it had amazing animation.
I want to think Kiki would have been the original winner, and that the series would have ended with Shiro and Kiki looking for Aina so that he could return the pocketwatch.
And really, fuck that shitty LN by the VVV guy.
Even with that remote thingy, it was stolen what, twice in that series? First from the safe and then during the prison break. But at least no one stole it to run off to fight the enemy and get himself almost killed like in most of UC shows. So they weren't completely worthless.
You just cannot comprehend the White Devil system.
the Tem Ray circuit would allow Amuro to control the White Devil reality morphing device at his will
>Tomino was less insane then than with G-Reco
You can see in Gundam that he moves the story, more or less, in the same way he does with G-Reco. You know little about Zeon until Garma's death, you know very little about Char, you know almost jack shit about Federation.
It is the same thing he is doing with G-Reco, it is just more exaggerated because you got 10+ factions, half of the episodes and a very fast pace.
The Tomino novels always sounded more interesting (excerpts from ZZ/V/F91 in particular), I can't help but feel like a more capable storyteller could do something so much more with them - like Yas.
As for Turn-A, that whole fucking machine was full of ridiculously OP bullshit like the black hole generators.
I started watching 0079 after watching the Origin OVA and gotta ask how the hell did people watch this without previous knowledge of Origin? It would be really confusing like not knowing who Kycillia is, not knowing why Char betrayed Garma, not knowing why Ramba Ral and Sayla know each other and so on.
Mysteries! Imagine if you watched 0079 as it happened and were wondering why the fuck Sayla hesitated at shooting Char in episode 1, and then why she knows Ramba Ral, and why she was so desperate to find out about Char, to the point of insubordination and running off with the Gundam, and you find out she's one of Zeon's heirs. That shit would have been crazy.
The question is:
Will we get more Origin after those 4 Charwank OVAs and if: Will those also be OVAs and not end till 2030?
>why doesn't the military help them at all? Do they even care?
Amura said it at the beginning. White Base and Gundam were being used as bait, so Zeon would focus on them and let the Federation work on something else.
>were wondering why
You would be called a retard, because this happens in the second episode.
The battles are never the focus, but Gundam has a high standard for action sequences and Zeta really drops the ball, I don't know the story behind the production but it feels like some of the better animators involved in the original weren't so heavily involved in the early Zeta. Just look at ZZ that started like a week later and has significantly better quality like the last two episodes of Zeta.
The mystery of the backstory is what makes it so interesting. When you reach the "what are you doing Char?!" moment you suddenly realize it's so much more than a simple good vs bad story.
I hope we get more. But they really need to up the production speed and add more sakuga.
Jumping in to say I absolutely adore Gundam.
It's a mix of nostalgia having watched it as a kid + good story + characters + mecha + the maybe shitty style but still cool and a million other things.
Gundam and Macross, Mazinger, fucking VOLTRON, later on Escaflowne, Eva, Wing, etc. are so good and were basically my childhood-teen series.
despite its random lapses in autism victory is super underappreciated and doesnt deserve half the flack it gets, the thing that always confused me about its overwhelming hate is that a majority of the complaints thrown at it were just as bad if not worse in 079 and zeta
I still have this list from december
>Mobile Suit Gundam
EG (dual Audio)
>MSG movie trilogy
EG (triple audio)
EG, OZC for dub
>Zeta Gundam: A New Translation
EG (look for R1 subtitle patches)
EG, a4e for dub
EG (dual audio)
EG, OZC for dub
EG (dual audio)
>Gundam Wing + Endless Waltz
EG (dual audio)
>08th MS Team + Miller's Report
EG (dual audio)
>Turn A Gundam + Movies
EG (movies use Hong Kong subs)
>Gundam SEED HD Remaster
>Gundam SEED Destiny
>Gundam SEED Destiny HD Remaster
>Gundam SEED Stargazer
OZC for first two OVAs and gg for third
>Gundam 00, First Season
OZC (visually identical to THORA, uses R1 subs and dual audio)
>Gundam 00, Second Season
OZC (visually identical to THORA, uses R1 subs and dual audio)
>Gundam 00, Awakening of the Trailbazer
Elysium (cleaned up gg subs), Cman for dub
THORA (dual audio)
>Gundam AGE + Memory Of Eden
>Gundam Build Fighters
>Gundam Reconguista in G
can we just pretend G-reco didnt happen, im gonan pretend turn-A was his last gundam and that he progressed alot as a writer to the end instead of the huge relapse he suffers in reconguista
>>Gundam Build Fighters
>>Gundam Reconguista in G
>can we just pretend G-reco didnt happen
I hope so.
They need to actually animate Amuro and Sayla finally getting it on, after decades of only hinting at it in sublementary material.
It probably would have if Casval had shown any sign of weakness.
Certainly I am ashamed to admit it, but I liked G Gundam
Does she ever.
And who would deny her it.
oh god the show actually warns you
oh well, at least its better than stardust memory, not saying much but it doesnt make me want to go into a fit of rage like that heap of trash did.
Imagine being with Zeon security forces at that point. And Kycilla lets you know that she'll ride you like a thoroughbred until your pelvis explodes, if you're up for it (and she'll leave the helmet on).
But Dozle is always looming on the horizon like some kind of cockblocking ogre.
You could probably fool Dozle with a cardboard cutout of Kycilla. Just leave it in the hallway, he'd try to talk to her, get upset she's ignoring him and storm off, and by the time she's finished riding you, he'll forget about it in the first place.
Whether Kycilla was canon ugu or not, is still up for debate.
Johnny Ridden seemed to think she was a babe.
Also, who cares, she can just keep the mask on in bed.
Believe it or not childrens cartoons in the 70's didn't care that much about autistic world building or giving every major character hours upon hours of backstory. Flat two dimensional characters with clear and easy motives was all that was needed back then to sell the show.
Seriously, Zeon is fucking retarded and only is looking like less of a now generic space nazi faction by the tons of supporting works that are stuffed into early UC, Origins being one of the most popular ones.
Isn't that every Gundam ever
>be a teenager
>find a giant robot
>get stashed to a cookie-cutter crew and ship
>ship needs to go to x, y and z
>final battle is the main enemy stronghold where they hide a superweapon that can wipe out everything
>ending is always understanding, love and peace
Also, the rivalry goes on most of the series before Char even realizes Amuro is some random kid and not a Feddie ace. the lack of voice comms between pilots on opposite side really helps in that regard, even if it does mean that characters spend a lot of time yelling at their cockpits for no reason except general hotbloodedness.
What's the best gundam video games? I loved Gundam Breaker 1. How is 2?
>>Hey Char, I know you're trying to drop Axis on earth right now. But let me tell you in explicit detail, how I made a woman out of your little sister.
Is that what people say in story, or is it objectively considered the cause of his death in the larger perspective?
My understanding was that he basically just got punked by a GM, and died.
I'm going to turn you into a real man.
Wait, you could do that all the time, but didn't even tell me?
Dick move, Lt. Quattro.
by the final battle, Zeon is basically already done for, though. Those GMs not only outclass all but the ace only Zeon mobile suits, but they're depicted as being much, much more numerous. Once White Base provides the nessecary distraction to allow them to reestablish their spaceborne logistics, the war is over. Amuro could go home and there would still be basically the same end result.
It's not just that. The GMs and Balls were basically a Zerg rush. Gelgoogs were technologically superior to the Gundam at that point, and the Zeong was a fucking marvel. But because of the long battle against Zeon mobile suits, Feddie troops had become very skilled and used to battle at that point, and could handle relatively shitty weapons like the Ball with ease, while Zeon had their troops dying en masse, with most of their aces dead, and newbies fresh from the academy dropped into the cockpit, not to mention that the Gelgoog's interface was different enough from the Zaku's and the Dom's that the older Zeon aces preferred to stick with their Zaku's for ease of use.
He would have really made Kamille a girl's name if Kamille gave him the chance.
A/Z seems unintentionally good at inspiring apathy in anime fans nowadays. It's pretty much like Gundam if you took everything out of Gundam that actually made it good like compelling characters, a war scenario that makes sense and doesn't patronize viewers by simplifying the fuck out of a Earth vs Colonies conflict, music that doesn't get too repetitive and over emphasizing of vocal tracks, actually interesting battles that feature more than a couple suits at a time, more than one enemy ace that's remotely threatening to the protagonist, characters over 20 that are competent....the list goes on really.
I think the Origin made it into some kind of ploy for power by Kycilia. I'd have to reread it to be sure. The entire sequence was rather convoluted, and I was jizzing my pants at the time over Sayla kicking ass in the Texas colony. Something that should also be noted is that Degwin wanted Revil to sue for peace at that time and became furious when Revil gave his "Zeon is Tired" speech.
I won't be too hard on A/Z because at least the Slaine subplot is pretty entertaining.
If the show were more that and less "Lt. Autism saves the world because everyone else is an incompetent mouthbreather" it'd be pretty decent.
To all you faggots watching 0079 for the first time, the doujins are required reading as well.
The White Base is trying to get the Project V units to Jaburo but instead gets forced down into Zeon occupied North America, hence getting bounced around from place to place while avoiding attacks from the likes of Garma and Ramba.
They need to practice making the suits look heavy. I loved the shifting armor panels, but watching bulky Zakus flying around at sanic speeds made me feel that the Zeta and other Waveriders must look like colored streaks.
Reminder that Kycilla was 24 in 0079
Which means she's 13 years old in 0068.
They probably retconned some of the Zabi's ages, or something.
One of the biggest differences between Gundam and Aldnoah is that Gundam often feels like its portraying war and conflict as something bad and ultimately undesirable, Aldnoah feels like its portraying war and conflict as a setup for cool action set pieces, blowing up cities with cool music playing in the background and showing how awesome smart and totally cool its emotionless protagonist is who is just too cool to get rattled and show it. Its the difference between a show that started off trying to promote an entirely new and heard of set of ideas and mature themes for an anime based off of the staffs experiences and time working with people like Tezuka Osamu versus a show following in its footsteps and just trying everything it can to be popular and current with otaku. Its also precisely why it'll never surpass it and achieve the same kind of mainstream cultural recognition.
it's a super common trope in fiction for the child of a warrior to cry in fear upon seeing their father. the earliest example (that i can think of) is in the iliad, with scamandrius shrieking after seeing his armored father hector atop the walls of troy.
>HE WAS RIGHT ABOUT SPACENOID EVOLUTION