Have you been watching your old Animus /a/?
Otaku no Video gets screened every year at Otakon. Legend among staff is that disaster will befall the con, if we ever forget to show it.
Also, Otakon's mascot character happens to be named Hiroko-chan. This happens to be an Otaku no Video reference to a certain scene:
"Isn't Hiroko-chan pretty? Isn't she pretty?"
Exactly that. I subconsciously filter out emotions or stuff before they get into my consciousness. They affect me subconsciously, but I can only tell indirectly.[/blog]
Like, for example I bought the Inu Yasha volumes up to #55 or so I believe. That was when I realized I wasn't reading them anymore, just shelving them.
"Oh", I said. "So I probably don't like it anymore".
And thus I gave away the lot of them.
Still you should be able to at least say whether the animations are decent, that is something beyond personal taste unless of course you haven't watched anything from the same time.
On a different note, yesterday I watched Big Wars and I feel quite puzzled about it, does anyone here watched it as well?
I need some feedback about it, I don't know whether I'm just biased and didn't completely get certain points or there are people who are in the same boat as me.
It felt so inconclusive and fragmented to me.
I call it simulated autism. That means, as far as you are concerned, yes. As far as I am concerned, no.
>you should be able to at least say whether the animations are decent
The parts that were animated were really nice (like the chase at the very beginning), but they took a lot of shortcuts, as it was common back in the day.
>but they took a lot of shortcuts, as it was common back in the day.
Was it? I'm not that familiar with the 60's in terms of animations, the only thing I've watched extensively from those years are Kawamoto's movies but that's stop motion.
You realise /a/ would become complete shit if they officially turned /m/ into a retro anime board?
>downloading gunbuster as i write this
Oh boy cant wait
Watched Ninja Scroll for the first time recently. MGS3: The Anime basically.
>about a quarter through SDF Macross.
This anon >>122047029
here. I downloaded Honneamise yesterday, was going to watch it after I finish the Ideon series and before I watch the Ideon movie (The Contact i think it was)
MGS3 has drawn huge inspiration from Ninja Scroll. Cobra Unit, "kiss of death", the protagonist are all inspired in some way by Ninja Scroll.
The problem with /vr/ is the spoonfeeding. The mods typically delete request threads but only after some idiot replied thinking he was helping the board.
/a/ just needs to slow down so the rules can be enforced better. Right now the moderation is too ineffective.
I watched Genma Taisen the other day.
It was hard to have strong feelings about anything in that movie. The soundtrack has all of 4-5 tracks that they use in odd places and sometimes repeat using, everyone besides Jo and the princess were given basically no screentime, the plot felt disjointed at points, and the entire movie felt like a 1950s sci-fi B-movie.
Sure, but you can't deny the obvious inspirational source. The story even follows a similar pattern.
Almost done with Macross SDF, watching Gundam 0079 now. I'm liking Gundam way more than Macross. It had way too much filler and QUALITY. I guess it's okay though because Macross helped ease me into the early-80s anime artstyle.
Oh, and I'm watching Outlaw Star too. It might be because of the remaster but the production quality is really high for a TV series.
That's almost exclusively what I watch. Right now I'm in a kind of 80's and 90's shonen seinen phase.
1. Fist of the North Star, Arc 3(Eps 61-82) Current: Ep79
2. Saint Seiya, Arc 3 (Eps 16-22) Current: Ep19
3. Neon Genesis Evangelion (26 Eps) Current: Ep9
4. Berserk (25 Eps) Current: Ep9
5. Ranma ½ Season 1 (18 Eps) Current: Ep9
6. Cowboy Bebop(26 Eps) Current: Ep6
They really skimped on the drawing and stuff in the middle of the show. It was only towards the end of the series that they really started using their budget.
Episode 27 is the best.
Gundam had pretty damn consistent character animation while Macross always derped that hard. Gundam had QUALITY robots that looked like men in metal suits while Macross always had some crazy mecha action cuts.
Cut him some slack, maybe he's just new to pre-2000s anime
It wasn't really that great a film. Rintaro tends to be hit and miss as a director in my opinion when he is good like metropolis or take the x train he is up there with the best though.
Maybe he likes the aesthetic common of that era. At any rate, just let him enjoy whatever he enjoys.
Not him but I haven't seen loads of stuff that might be considered entry level like death note or elfen lied or any of the long running shonen like hxh, one piece etc because they just don't appeal to me. I have however seen a fucking boatload of stuff that might be considered obscure. I got into anime because of film though soI had a different attitude to begin with and thus didn't really watch any of those typical first shows.
Your post implies obscure shows are never talked about, usually they have a cult following or else they wouldn't be obscure, they'd just be forgotten
Unless it gets constantly bashed on /a/ which entry-level shows usually do
>Your post implies obscure shows are never talked about,
No, it doesn't. But the likelihood of hearing about Cowboy Bebop before hearing about GaoGaiGar (which is still a very popular show) is close to 1.
>Unless it gets constantly bashed on /a/ which entry-level shows usually do
There's no such thing as negative publicity.
>Unless it gets constantly bashed on /a/ which entry-level shows usually do
Well there's 2 sides to everything. For example /a/ appears to hate TTGL but webms from the show are posted all the time, and images too. Eva gets bashed but there's almost aways a thread up. I could go on about this for days.
>No, it doesn't. But the likelihood of hearing about Cowboy Bebop before hearing about GaoGaiGar (which is still a very popular show) is close to 1.
Depends on the community, you'll hear about GGG on /m/ more often than you will Cowboy Bepop
Sure, because it's still a popular show and Cowboy Bebop doesn't even belong there.
You are grasping at straws. You are trying to argue that he heard about all the more obscure shows before he heard about those 6 entry level shows.
That did not happen - and you know it. Abandon this line of reasoning.
I will usually spend an evening watching an episode of each show which usually comes out to under 2 and 1/2 hours.
Cowboy Bebop is the only one I have on DVD and I watch the first disc, but haven't gotten to the others yet. I'll spend an afternoon or evening watching a whole disc.
Why so entrylevel? Except for HNK and Saint Saiya these are all shows I watched like 8 or 9 years ago and I realized last year that I had forgotten some important details. Plus when you have a bad memory like me you can re-watch a show years later and feel like it's brand new.
>Cowboy Bebop doesn't even belong there.
Sorry for the mistake. I don't want to intrude on /m/ before I haven't watched a minimum of 100 old mecha shows. I'm not quite there yet, so I don't know exactly what goes on there.
You only watch stuff you physically bought? Because you're missing out not watching the Blu Ray of Cowboy Bebop.
You're not missing anything if you're going to use such a shitty encode, Jesus Christ how do you even fuck up that hard
Having a hard time getting into Lodoss currently.
>Parn and Deedlit interact
>Ghim and Deedlit sometimes banter because they're a dwarf and an elf I guess
>Slayn, Woodchuck and Etoh exist
The rest are mostly old men serving as a visual aid to talk the plot out. I expected all of this when starting though.
Enjoying this alot, the characters are so lovable, especially Kuwabara, he's my favourite.
I don't get why some "experimental" "artist" type director doesn't try to make an anime today that feels, looks and sounds just like say a 1980s or 90s anime as an oav or something. Just to see if it could be done. To see if the feeling of a specific era could be captured outside of that era.
Hikaru is the cuckm@ster
Maybe because that stuff has been done to death already
Maybe because BD remasters make old shows look way better than a TV series "tribute" to the 90s ever would
>Maybe because that stuff has been done to death already
What are they then?
>Maybe because BD remasters make old shows look way better than a TV series "tribute" to the 90s ever would
There aren't actually that many BD remasters of old shows.
And it's not a "tribute." It's trying to mimic the styles to the point where it could fool someone who didn't have info on hand for when it was made into thinking it was made in the 80s
I meant that 80s/90s anime have been done to death. I'm quite sure the anime watching demographic in Japan still remember watching a lot of those shows back then and the rampant QUALITY issues.
And to answer your question about why no one will make a show like that, what's the point even? Even if you want to make a show, the director would still need a story. And why would he want to place it in an 80s anime? Unless it was some deconstruction, which would probably make the show terrible in the first place.
Which brings us to the question: What constitutes an anime made in the 80s and 90s? Maybe music, slower pans and more still frames? And maybe make the features sharper too.
Come to think of it it would be a pretty simple task for any director to pull off. Just need the right person to produce the music and a director who has watched lots of old anime.
Saw the movie of this back in the 90s and always wanted to watch the series. Finally got around to it.
Watching it because of the sunglasses gif.
Kodomo no Omocha
Sort of a forgotten shojo classic. Currently on the NYC arc though. I just want it to end. It's like the desert island arc of Nadia.
Last of the Yuasa TV series for me to see. Might even be his best honestly.
>I meant that 80s/90s anime have been done to death
And so have 00s and 10s. It's unusual to try to mimic a style from the past, moreso than to make something completely contemporary.
>I'm quite sure the anime watching demographic in Japan still remember watching a lot of those shows back then and the rampant QUALITY issues.
QUALITY will never go away until everything is full 3D CG and in that case everything will look bad rather than only some specific shots at the right distance to make proper detail impossible or hard to achieve.
>And to answer your question about why no one will make a show like that, what's the point even?
An experiment. To see if it can be done, to see whether a team can transcend their time and mimic another time. It's like modern architects building a court house in the style of the ancient Greeks to mimic the Parthenon.
>Which brings us to the question: What constitutes an anime made in the 80s and 90s?
EVERYTHING. Everything has to be something like you'd see in the 80s or 90s, with some variation allowed for the story originality and individual artist style which would've been possible back then too.
>Maybe music, slower pans and more still frames?
That's way too little to account for. So much of it is in the details that it would be hard not to absentmindedly let your own era show through. Look at the clothing styles in the pic you posted. You wouldn't see all of those in a modern anime (closest would be the guy on the right who is at least somewhat generic in dress), even though OLS was supposed to be set in the far future. There are still anachronisms that point out the time it was made in.
>What constitutes an anime made in the 80s and 90s?
It's a bit hard to properly answer this question, I think the only real characteristic 80's had was the abundance of gore and more "macho" MCs, even though those two are subverted a lot, 90's maybe were more focused on making certain references to the audience more explicit like fanservice and also amplified the nonsense kind of humour compared to the 80's, but yet, I'm honestly talking out of my ass, there's just too much stuff to watch.
One thing I would like to point out though, is that I think most people erroneusly think that anime decades are rigid and non flexible categories, actually, most decades' traditional styles and idiosincracies come around two or three years after the beginning of the decade, usually, the style truly matures in the middle of the decade, develops further towards the end and has some faint echoes through the first years of the next decade.
This is especially true for the transition to the 80's to the 90's, the Anime and most noticeably OVA's have still certain characteristics and style from the 80's but try to introduce new stuff, like CG for instance.
Or maybe I'm just talking out of my ass again, I don't know, I have this distinct feeling though.
Recently watched Arcadia of My Youth and enjoyed it a lot too, it was my first Matsumoto, I found it a little slow at the beginning but once I slowly got more into it I grew to love it by the end but found it so bleak and depressing at some points. Are most of Leiji's work like that? I might enjoy them if they are.
>Are most of Leiji's work like that?
Literally all of them.
Even Queen Emeraldas which is the most "cheerful" work still has pretty depressing stuff.
They're great adventures that can still make you fell pretty sad, especially when you stop and think about things.
I'm watching pic related.
after 10 episodes only episode 1 is non-filler.
I hope that changes soon because its getting a bit silly with the small difference between episodes.
Just finished Mizuiro Jidai. Nice slice of life series.
I don't see the point of this show.
Other anons in /m/ and /co/ want to talk about older anime from the 70s, 80's, and 90's I've noticed over the past couple months I've been here.
There's a ton of anime and manga that can get discussed while /a/ deals with series that are currently running.
Just finished Escaflowne. I was loving it until about 2/3 of the way through when the plot reveals started to come out and I really wasn't impressed with them by the end. Still, I liked most of the characters, and the mech battles and OST were fantastic.
Really? That's disappointing. I'd heard it was good and planned to watch it at some point.
Great show with great characters.
/a/ is for all those shows. So long as you make a good OP, pretty much everything is possible.
The greatest problem with crossboarders making threads about old anime is that they put them on a pedestal and shun all the new ones. That's an easy way to turn your thread to shit.
The reason why /a/ deals mostly with currently airing stuff is that this is what most people are experiencing right now. It's not because anons don't care about old stuff.
/m/ is very open to older anime and manga. People there said they enjoyed Cat's Eye, City Hunter, Shurato, and Future Boy Conan.
/co/ adores JoJo and Berserk. They don't mind exploring older series since /co/ itself loves to storytime and recommend 70s, 80's, and 90's comics and cartoons.
>That said though there will be enormous faggots who try to incite people.
>/m/ is very open to older anime and manga.
/m/ and /jp/ probably have a way higher powerlevel on average than /a/. /a/ is where people would usually go first to talk about their new anime hobby, and even if they did try /jp/, they'd soon be driven out.
Also, /m/ doesn't get nearly as much near material as /a/ does, so of course they discuss older anime more frequently. (same goes in theory for /jp/, but they found shitposting to be more in line with their board culture than anything else)
That doesn't mean that old anime cannot be discussed on /a/. What are you even trying to argue, bringing those boards up?
To answer your question, yes absolutely it can be done. This sort of thing is accomplished all the time in every other medium (including drawing), I fail to see anything barring the way for animation. Though I'll admit I can think of no good examples.
In general the inhibiting factor for these sorts of projects is expense. Generally you have to go back and get the outdated equipment used back then and train everybody in it's use. It could be possible to produce faux versions of 80's-90's animation using modern tools, but I imagine that's the more complex less successful route.
I'm bringing up /m/ and /co/ (never thought about /jp/ because I've never been there), because there's a ton of people that like to discuss older anime. Combine them with /a/nons who talk in threads like this, a retro anime board would be sustainable.
I really doubt every 80s and 90's series have been talked about because quite frankly, people are lying their asses off.
I'd be down for an /ar/ board. The question is how old does it have to be? Stuff from early 2000 is starting to become as obscure as stuff from the 90's.
Maybe instead of calling anime retro call it anime classic.
>I really doubt every 80s and 90's series have been talked about
Have been, certainly. Get discussions on a basis more frequently than once every 5 years? No.
Most 80s and 90s anime suck. Especially so for people who think they like 80s and 90s anime but nothing newer than that. Those guys generally have no idea what they are talking about which, since you've mentioned /co/, is quite likely. /m/en do know their shit, but they already have their board.
>a retro anime board would be sustainable.
But the question is not sustainability. The question is if there is a point to it. And there isn't. You can have those threads on /a/. /a/ is great for anime discussion.
The reason /vr/ was made is because /v/ prefers console wars, off-topic retardation and gamergate shit over video game discussion. Because /v/ is dead.
/a/ is not dead.
I'm getting through Lady Georgie, a condensed and better looking Candy Candy.
Any anime and manga that ended before 2000. That should be a good watermark.
And yeah, anime classic would be appropriate.
>Most 80s and 90s anime suck
So you've seen every anime in that 20 year stretch AND make a call that they're shit? Because I think you're full of it.
Was there shit back then? Of course. Shit exists in every decade, but there's a ton of good series that I doubt /a/ h as discussed. Especially manga.
Watching the Spirit of Wonder OVAs still. They have a unique charming character to them. It reminds me of YKK to some extent and a bit of Nadia maybe.
>Most 80s and 90s anime suck. Especially so for people who think they like 80s and 90s anime but nothing newer than that.
They're picking and choosing the noice choice shows, like Dirty Pair and VOTOMS for the 80s while conveniently forgetting most TV shows were zero budget forever-long things about talking frogs or some shit by Pierrot or Toei. And for the few interesting non Sunrise shows, almost none have been fully subbed, like Tokimeki Tonight, the aforementioned Lady Goergie, Magical Emi, Queen Millennia, or Kabocha Wine.
>I'm criticizing people who single out the 80s and 90s as the golden age of anime.
To some extent, it WAS the golden age. The Japanese economy was still top dog in the 80's and early 90's before the bubble burst. And there was a variety of entertaining series during the 90's.
I do agree it's fallacious to treat everything from those decades as untouchable. I've seen my share of crap from the 80's and 90's.
I seem to recall that series being fansubbed.
Anyone who likes Fancy Lala has to watch Magical Emi
Fuck, I want Yadamon Magical Dreamer to be subbed. That series starts off cutesy, but it's actually dark as shit since episode 1. They just hit it carefully until things got real in the last 30 eps.
I always watch old anime; I in fact click randomly in 80's-90's OVA lists every day and watch the first thing I get. I watched a Sunrise OVA about racing robots yesterday, the animation was great.
>To some extent, it WAS the golden age.
It was the OVA age of anime.
Do you want an /OVA/ board? Or an /OC/ board, OVAs and Cowboy Bebop?
That's the kind of audience and discussion your /ac/ would attract anyway.
Now we just need everything to get some remastered release. Doesn't HAVE to be a BD, but a new DVD would be great for some titles. But for sci-fi, I'd love to see some Crusher Joe, They Were 11, Gall Force, Megazone 23, The Choujo, Good Morning Althea, Dirty Pair, and a whole bunch of others on BD. I've seen so many OVAs and movies I can't even recall most of them on demand, but I do know I want them all to look as good as possible.
There do seem to be a large group of people on /a/ that aren't actually interested in anime but are more interested in just watching the shows to be able to participate on /a/ because they have no other social outlet.
To do that, it really needs to find it's audience. Star Trek wasn't an immediate success after all.
I don't think the current otaku scene in Japan is the right climate for science fiction right now.
Oh, and Neo-Tokyo, Robot Carnival, Burn Up!, Phoenix 2772, Phoenix Karma, Phoenix Yamato, Silent Mobius, Weathering Continent, Green Legend Ran, Windaria, Goshogun Time Etranger, Salamander, that shitty 90s Yamato OVA, Odin, Genmu Senki Leda, Birth, Dallos, Area 88, Iczer-1, Dangaioh, and dozens of others. A lot of these have had somewhat recent DVDs, so BDs are very possible.
I think they can primed with stuff like new Gundams and Yamato 2199, but it's the same issue with everyone else in the world: just too much competition for time with the internet.
I think part of the problem is that there's not a clear division between sci-fi and fantasy in anime. Sure you have stuff that definitely fantasy, and stuff that's definitely scifi, but there's it's not uncommon for shows to mix the two. Or to throw these elements into a highschool setting.
After a long break from watching anime, I recently started watching stuff that I already watched before. It's mostly old OVAs, but they are entertaining and I can't bring myself to watch entire shows anymore.
Roujin Z, Angel Cop, AD Police, Megazone 23, Vampire Wars, Urban Square, Junk Boy, Riding Bean, Suikoden, Urotsukudoji, etc.
I enjoyed those again, but whenever I try watching a show, I end up watching 6 episodes and just dropping it agian.
if there was a retro board /a/ would become the roleplay/waifu board and die.
Love to reply, but I'm stuck in the spam filter. And I have no idea why
Oh god somebody else who watched Key. Just turn your brain off and enjoy the ride. That guy is nude in that cage through 40% of the 2nd half.
Why could Ajo give him a blanket?!?
Just started pic related because I finished reading the book recently. Does it ever get good?
The animation sucks, the characters look like plastic blobs, and the story skips over all the good parts of the novel.
Is this the last (failed) original OVA?
WHICH POKEMON SHOULD I WATCH TO BE LE ANIME OLDFIG
HAND PAINTED CEL ANIMATION IS ALMOST A DIFFERENT ANIMAL
ANIME AS A TERM SHOULD HAVE BEEN RETIRED AND WHAT WE HAVE NOW SHOULD BE A DIFFERENT NAME