>Japan cannot into good fantasy
hipster phrases like this makes me wonder
What do you guys want in a fantasy that you think is missing from anime?
You guys realize fantasy is the laughing stock of all of the literary world?
There is a reason no legitimate litfag pays fantasy any heed, it's genre fiction and deserves to go into the garbage, where it belongs.
High fantasy is especially worse because it's literally manchild shit.
Japan manages to put out a lot of good fiction like Nisekoi.
Pointing out that fantasy anime aren't bad because anime can't do it, but because fantasy is inherently shit.
>African lore and history
that sure would be fantasy
The only one I've tried was black company and while I enjoyed the first volume. The whole Lady-mary sue stuff got old fast. And while the 'just working for money not ideals' thing is usually fun, in this case it took the emotion and motivation out of everything the characters did. The plot was 'we're doing it because it's the only thing we know how to do' and while it's fun it doesn't stay fun for long enough to pad out how ever many volumes there are.
What is some straight forward, fun fantasy literature? More like Lodoss' adapted steriotypical D&D campaign stuff.
Anime needs three things to be successful as a piece of entertainment: Writing, Direction and Budget.
Fantasy anime usually only get one of these right, and it falls especially flat when they mix in harem elements.
I really liked the first novel of the BC, it was great. The next two were a chore cause they got rid of the company, and the company was what made it great. Never did read the oboks of South or East or whatever. Try Malazan sometime.
I've actually read a bit of fantasy but almost all of the really well liked ones try really hard to shake it up in some way. The Eye of the World is probably the most generic one I can think of.
You just have to watch the right anime bro
It needs characters that aren't so fucking stock, and are at least older than 16 for once
I just recently finished reading Claymore. By far it was at its best, in my opinion, when it stuck to the tight focus of Clare wandering around with Raki. Once it hit the time skip, everything went downhill. Not to mention the mangaka's to killing off any characters really dulled the entire story. Robbed it of nearly all its tension.
how can you write that and simultaneously try to affect some kind of erudition as it comes to appreciating a "successful piece of entertainment?" budget has the potential to enrich an already good concept, but it has nothing to do with whether or not a low-budget project is entertaining or of high quality
furthermore, big budget often = corporate sponsorship, which means production and editing notes, finding the "right direction," and so on. that kind of meddling is often poison to a singular artistic vision
Case in point: EVA was a fairly low-budget production, and Anno taxed its extremely limited coffers to the breaking point before he even ended the series. Nevertheless, it was the stress of that "limitation" that forced him to consolidate and economize his thematic focus, and it might have actually been somewhat responsible for making the show as good as it is
Bahamut was pretty good for a classic high fantasy.
I'm enjoying the resurgence in old school fantasy shows, hopefully with wealthy mobage trying to fund anime we'll see more high budget stuff.
Anime should adapt ASOIAF series. It'll the series far more justice than HBO ever does.
>Kids and mid teens will look like kids and mid teens
>gets proper pacing
>gets more coverage than tv show
>doesn't have to go full retard about bugdet like the show does.
The only con is no sex. But who cares if they imply it.
>Wheel of Time anime with similar style/quality to lodoss OVA series
This could be amazing. It even has all the anime character tropes already.
>tsun tsun nynaeve
>plenty of fan service
>typical farmboy protagonist who is "the one"
anime is probably the best medium for that imo
animation lends itself better to fantasy than live action, which has to rely on clashing CGI or obviously fake looking special effects (and the west hates animation).
There's books as well but isn't it better to actually see the magic?
Even then you're going to have to learn African culture to find a magic suitable for the setting.
Like most magic tends to be copied from debunked cultural theories of how the world worked and other related folklores.
Only decent ones are the ones that do something new, the Lies of Lock Lamorra is the closest thing I've read to classic fantasy thats come out in recent years.
Naturally if you haven't you should read Earthsea or probably anything by De Guin.
I can't think of anything else worthwhile right now.
since we are this far into the thread I'll tell you I didn't watch Lodoss.
I just posted a series that's popular and had no relation to me because if I did post a fantasy series I liked trolls would just shit on that (There are people here who outright say all anime is garbage I don't want to subject my favorite ones to those people).
Rather just want to question what is some of /a/'s problem with fantasy anime.
>its not really bad translation so much as bad original content
Can you read and speak moon to verify this?
I've been slowly sifting through things to find what was just butchered by the translator and what just had shit writing to begin with.
Quantity. Fantasy titles being so few as they currently are, it seems like making a fantasy at all, let alone a good one, is surprising and an exception from the general rule of just not making fantasies
Honestly I don't watch fantasy shows for the plot, more for the interesting characters, fantasy themes and visuals. Good plot seems to be a rarity in the medium along JRPGs. That said I didn't think Bahamut's plot was bad, just very straightforward and by the books.
He might have accomplished something if he WOULD HAVE USED THE FUCKING SHIELD HE GOT.
THEY MAKE A BIG DEAL OF HIM ACCEPTING THE SHIELD AFTER REFUSING THE SET OF ARMOR BUT HE NEVER USES IT DESPITE THEM HAVING HIM SPAR AGAINST VETERAN FIGHTERS TWICE WITH A SWORD AND SHIELD.
that series needs a good book burning I'm thinking
such atrocious crap and I forced myself to go through the whole damn thing thinking maybe there would be a really good payoff
I the last scene with any sort of really dramatic momentum happened when Morain offered Egwene to join the tower.
near the beginning of book 1
All Lodoss is a DND game set in austrailia translated into LN, Manga and then Anime.
All Japan has to do is play more DND and translate that to Anime. Its likely Aslan will fix that fantasy hunger in your heart though.
I'll be honest, I wouldn't really call any translation good. At best they're "ok". A friend of mine who helps me translate is Japanese born, studied English in Japan and now works as a pro translator in the US. He has complete mastery of both languages (you'd never know he wasn't a native English speaker if he didn't tell you. I actually sometimes forget Japanese is his mother tongue) and even the stuff he does just barely manages to get the characters personalities and the nuances of the authors writing across.
Fan translators like him are one in a million, most of them don't know English or Japanese and either give you some blocky, half incorrect shit like "Even if you say such a thing...the decision has been decided suddenly" followed by an incorrectly translated idiom, or some Commie-tier memeshit they thought was funny.
tl;dr learn fucking moon.
I completely agree with you. I've read Japanese light novels, Korean fantasy novels, Chinese fantasy novels, and English fantasy novels. Except for certain ones, I definitely enjoyed books over manga or anime for fantasy. The world setting, characterization, and power systems felt more elaborate and less gimmicky when I was reading fantasy.
I forgot that part, that character, the ensuing suicide that it caused and big thing about counter balefire because none of it was the least bit important to anything else that was going on nor were any of the people involved interesting enough for it to matter.
Honestly when I heard about how Mass Effect 3 reduced every choice in the game to single preparedness stat this is what I was reminded of- "hey did anybody remember to tell the sea people that tarmon gaidon was going on? Anybody? No? Ugh hey Logain!"
Good character writing.
Instead of focusing on the single character which will probably be some marty-stu lead and then having his shitty band of friends get a limelight every now and again, a good fantasy story and generally a good story focuses on all characters and the best rarely have a "lead" and instead simply focus on the progression of multiple stories inside of the main story's progression.
The only anime I've seen that ever even breach this level of story telling are usually 600+ episodes long and are fairly old. They're almost always scifi too.
As a legitimate litfag I can say that while fantasy definitely isn't treated like it's fine literature, a lot of well-read still like and see the value of escapism. which speculative fiction (including fantasy) is probably the best genre for.
Also, there's plenty of good anime fantasy. Fullmetal Alchemist, Mushishi, JoJo, and Baccano just for ones that are pretty well received. Also, most action anime (especially battle shounen) and historical anime have fantasy elements.
Of course, if you're looking specifically for Western-influenced medieval-European-styled fantasy, your definition of "fantasy" is to narrow and also why the fuck are you looking for that from anime in the first place?
don't know what you consider "good plot"
I mean I guess a lot of fantasy anime were vehicles to get the characters from one area to another (being mostly based on jRPGs and tabletops). and I fucking love those types of series (because ADVENTURE).
Though I like to think the Berserk anime had a good plot.
>Good art style
Aside from the tango lips and other ridiculous fujoshi pandering aspects
>what is some of /a/'s problem with fantasy anime
There's plenty of anons who enjoy fantasy series. But not everyone has to like it.
Do you walk down a street and ask people why they believe in God? Take your tipping elsewhere.
Oh I'm well aware. I can express my own thoughts just fine, whether it be in written or spoken form. In fact, my job and education background require it. Trying to take another persons words, then change them between two completely different languages and then make the target language read naturally while staying true to the original meaning and authors voice is quite the task. It's completely different than writing your own stuff, and most people just can't do it, so you end up with a lot of what we see online for fan translations and subs.
I like fantasy anime more than fantasy western stories
the whimsical nature of anime lends itself well to a medieval fantasy setting
that's most fantasies that are not battle shounen or LNs (and even then quite a few battle shounen do the second part well).
In great irony, it takes somebody who is not well-versed and knowledgeable of the professional literary world to be able to speak the objective truth. An enormous amount of people get great entertainment out of Fantasy novels, and most people will tell you their favorite book series is a fantasy series. Why is that? Because we don't have our heads up our asses. We take things as they are, rather than ridiculously over-analyzing and making up arbitrary rules for what makes a good literary work.
This is one of those cases where the more knowledgeable you become, the dumber you get. The whole "real world" is laughing at you guys.
All creatures adapted straight from the 1st edition D&D monster manual.
This is a sure sign of a high quality fantasy adventure.
Parn is an absolutely terrible character
So stupid, so weak, so typical, so fucking boring
There is literally nothing memorable about him apart from how brown he is compared to everyone else
Everyone only watched this shit for Deedlit anyways
Lodoss was one of the most beautiful and manly anime ever.
to be fair I never encountered a person in public screaming that they hated religion and never even bothered to explain why
find plenty of people on /a/ who does that with their dislike of fantasy anime
How can you "care" in a D&D game?
Aside from some random "oh no, our poor comrade and friend, we will not forget your sacrifice", the only thing you're supposed to do when that happens is good ol' looting.
Deedlit did nothing wrong.
Fantasy didn't disappeared.
Just look at video game.
They went from Final Fantasy 1 -> Final Fantasy 7 (modernized)
Same thing with chinese cartoon
Lodoss/Slayers -> FSN/Insert your seasonal haremshit+chuuni superpower/alternate world
You be hard pressed to find a normal traditional fantasy nowadays. Nowadays they are always sprinkled with science and futuristic take.
I like Horizon myself. Inb4 hurrizon and shit taste.