>>122098574 Except Kirino is great and there's no major differences between her and Rin as a tsundere at the core foundation. Both go from tsun to dere, and have their tsun triggers, as well as dere triggers.
I sincerely doubt it. The mere mention of the word "tsundere" seems to throw about half of /a/ into a fit of autism rage. Tsunderes might be the single most divisive topic on /a/, even moreso than moeshit v deepshit v shonenshit.
>>122099664 Let's not exaggerated. Most of the detracting autism comes from THK and his cock-sucking imitators. The contrast in quality and enjoyment when they are on versus when they aren't on is stark.
You don't know the difference. The female main character in Cross game is an example of classic. Both of those are 'modern'. Also these terms make no sense.
>>122099664 >moeshit v deepshit v shonenshit. Those threads are way more rare than tsundere threads though. Also they are much worse in terms of shitposting because they are just stupid fanbase wars full of newshits.
>>122100230 We also used to have regular "worst archetype" threads from around 2005 to 2008, with tsundere dominating most of the threads. Then theres historical cases like Houki or Kirino, who gathered hatebases as big as Rossiu's. I don't dislike the archetype, but /a/ has always been wary of them, and has come to accept them more recently.
>>122100254 That guy has been shitposting since 2011. But he has only been known a s"THK for almost 2 years. He sorta is a meme now for anti-tsun posts that sounds like something THK would make, that is, extremely and unreasonably hateful and with autism.
I've been here since Haruhi, and I don't recall /a/ hating tsundere. At worst, /a/ can be split over it, but in general it's either liked openly or anons being tsundere for it more than outright hating it. Those Tuesday/Sunday tsundere threads back then that came by often were mostly peaceful and just chill. But that has started to change in the past few years.
>>122100436 You know threads such as those are generally for haters circlejerking and carrying out unadvoiable samefag.
I could easily say that tsunderes were among the most talked and posted that had more fans than most other characters in many series during those times. But I'm sure you could spin the same argument back to me.
>>122100706 >But I'm sure you could spin the same argument back to me. True. I would say back then, in general or weekly episode threads, the character to get the "this cunt needs to calm the fuck down" treatment constantly used to be tsunderes, and now tastes seem to have diversified a lot.
>>122101522 Nagi did though. Anyway, they did used to be the most polemical by far, and any post made against them used to be received without much resistance, while there seem to be more people eager to defend the archetype these days. Threads are different from what I can see, with no doubt.
>>122102273 What Nagi are you thinking of? It certainly cannot be the Nagi I was referring to.
In context, it doesn't mean was hated. While the concept is old and predates the hype, tsundere itself as a "dere" was new and big when /a/ picked up. It took /a/ like a storm for some time. The archetype is polarizing thus all kinds of discussions were made. That's partly what made it popular and interesting. The meaningful discussions including contentious talks was a natural thing.
There's huge contrast to the anti-posts back then to now. At present time, the hate is way more vicious and is often just buzzwords on top of buzzwords. Especially now when there's a group of dedicated haters out to ruin tsundere for everyone. You shouldn't be surprised when fans are going to be eager to defend more instead of letting it slide.
>>122102517 There's always certain types that will rile up heated arguments between fans and detractors. That's nothing new.
This recent take on classic/modern is serious troll bait. We never had that sort of thing in the past.
>>122102774 Yes, that Nagi has received a lot of hate over the years, even from Hinafags. All the hate tsunderes used to get here through the years had nothing to do with "the new moe", but made reference to their hostile and violent personality. And one could argue that the hate Houki and Kirino received was, without a shadow of a doubt, much more vicious back then.
While the term was popularized recently, the classic/modern dichotomy and the disapproval of the latter has been present on the board ever since Minoru's speech in Lucky Star.
>>122103235 Sorry, but there's no way I can believe your story when you claim Nagi was hated. Especially during S1's duration, Nagi was anything but hated. Hina proved to be more popular, and yes, Hina's fans did get into some of waifu wars. But she wasn't hated as a tsundere. She's brat and of the most dere type tsun out there in the first place. The most hate she ever got came out of Hina vs Nagi threads, and that obviously wasn't hate for tsundere when it's just a vie for power between fans of two tsundere.
Tsundere is probably the most polarizing yet attractive. Hostility and abuse goes hand in hand for them, and that naturally doesn't sit well for some people. Most hate does come from negative reactions to those particular traits. But, take for example Louise, who at her peak made /a/ split over her between a love it/hate it thing.
You're looking at it the wrong way. That's a case of hype and current rather than a decline in vicious. Houki's hate was contained in IS threads, she's a rather low-key tsundere that /a/ didn't really bothered him. Even many tsundere fans don't like her, and her hate barely faced resistance. Kirino, on the other hand, was a character from a series that became popular to be the kind of show that hit /a/ like a storm and dominated its season. Being a subject of various topics and hype with rampant trolls mixed in with active fans and haters is why it's more wild back then than now. The series isn't current or hype anymore. Trolls moved on, and what's left is the core fanbase that consists of her fans and haters.
>has been present on the board ever since Minoru's speech in Lucky Star. That's incorrect. There may have been debates about changes that lead to the archetype expanding, but this particular misconception of classic/modern segregation that gets forced got off around 2010/2011.
Rin has good reasons to act like a tsundere (expectations of acting like a magi, orphan and the sole protector/progeny of a old and powerful family among other reasons). Further, her mannerism is unique. That's what makes her a good tsundere. Now, I don't know if Rin is "classic". Classic also implies old.
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