This man may possibly be the fucking greatest protagonist in any anime I've ever seen.
>Has a hot wife
>Has a hot partner
>Doesn't give a fuck about magic rules
>Fuck your chivalry
>Fuck your nobility
Emiya Kiritsugu: Genuine Badass
Sounds like too much edge for me.
As a guy, it's hard to stay completely straight around Kotomine.
Yeah, he was so based that he fucked up and got those he held dear killed every time he tried to do something good and in the end his greatest acomplishment was causing the deaths of thousand of people and raising a fucked up kid.
He's a failure
Serves him right for believing in a wishing device that would turn the world into a magic fairyland where nobody dies and there is peace forever.
Only saved one person his whole life.
In the end he was a dellusional faggot who sought to save humanity by destroying the very own thing that makes us human.
He was as bad as all those shitty villains who wanted to "save" humanity by depriving humans of their free will.
The rockstar is still the best fate protag.
Killed and hurt people for ideal that he knew was unachieveable and childish from the beginning, then left his own daughter who he promised to return to as soon as he could retire like a fag he was. He isn't even most badass/deep within the franchise.
> then left his own daughter who he promised to return to as soon as he could retire like a fag he was.
Read the fucking LN. He tried to take her back for years but faggot Acht wouldn't open the barrier and Kiritsugu was past his prime so he couldn't just blow up the whole thing and shoot down everyone who tried to stop him.
What the fuck did you think he was doing during all those trips overseas that Shirou mentioned?
>le true edgelord
>killed his wife and daughter to become even more edgy
>cheating his perfect wife
>manchild that goes hardcore batman because his daddy killed that bitch in the island
he is just beside kariya the eternal chuuni
I unironically like Kiritsugu but he's not even the most badass in his own show. Hell, even Waver turns out to be more badass than him by the end.
He's a manchild, but he's an amusing protagonist for the series to follow.
He loves all. His wife is bi too, which is why she fucks Saber in the source material and in the manga.
He's also edgier than a dodecahedron and emotionally hasn't aged past a 7 year old. His ideal is a crock of shit, and in the process of chasing it anyway he destroys everything he actually possesses, including his father, mother figure, wife, lover, and daughter. In the end he was only able to save one single person, and even then Shirou in most instances just went off to emulate Kerry, and die the same miserable death having accomplished nothing.
Kiritsugu is shit.
>which is why she fucks Saber in the source material and in the manga.
You're lying right?
>Lancer’s tenacious personality, and his newly refined bishounen looks. His appearance with consistent with how he’s found in Fate/Zero, and being one of the few directly returning characters from that prequel, it’ll make for some potentially interesting comparisons of appearance and animation quality once this TV series arrives.
Then he gets called out
>It doesn’t matter, they’re essentially identical for the sake of this short article and my purpose in pointing it out.
>Type-Moon fanboys are the only ones who are going to be crying about it, that’s not you, but the many poorly written profanity filled comments that aren’t going to be approved.
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Well he is definitely my favourite protagonist. As others have said he failed but I don't think he was delusional for believing in the grail. He lived in a world of magic so it makes sense.
Mostly I like him because he is so different from most protagonists in other anime that have ass pulls to save them, or don't end up having to make hard decisions. He killed his father and Natalia for what he believed was the greater good.
He saved probably hundred if not thousands of people over his years working as a freelancer, probably just not as many directly. He killed his father who potentially would have killed dozens of more people. He killed all the ghouls and shit on the plane and if they got out there would be millions of people potentially dead in New York.
Who else thinks the idea is bullshit? Nobody just randomly said, "hey Kiritsugu your whole saving the world thing is retarded." Natalia just said he needed to save himself first before anyone else. He never talked to anyone else about it aside Iri and Saber who agreed with him.
>He killed all the ghouls and shit on the plane and if they got out there would be millions of people potentially dead in New York.
The whole plane thing was so fucking retarded.
He also killed hundreds to save those thousands and in the end killed thousands by destroying the Grail to prevent the death of millions.
His ideal was wrong and it brought him nothing but suffering.
He literaly raised Iri.
She is 10 during F/Z
Also literaly everytime forcing "Wold Peace" is brought up.
That doesn't make sense.
Or I am not following your logic correctly
Did he forced those "kill someone important to save a bunch of strangers" situations or did fate just hated him?
Because faggot got into those situations like all the time while everyone else just had to deal with shit like that just once or twice.
So you'd rather have billions dead than a few thousand?
It was either the end of humanity or what ended up happening, a few thousand dead in some jap town. Most people would sacrifice the lives of the few versus the many if there was no other choice.
Yes, it is.
Kerry's ideal was wrong because it was decided from the very beginning that someone would be sacrificed.
It wasn't a "do everything you can to save everyone and make sacrifices if it's necessary", it was the kind of ideal where he was already considering who sould be saved and who shouldn't even before trying to do shit.
He's also a fucking idiot. Even without any knowledge of the Grail being an omnicidal hate machine, he should have been able to figure out that his wish just didn't make sense. He didn't even have a proper wish. He wanted a world of peace and happiness devoid of suffering and murder, but he had no idea what such a world would look like or how to get there. And for some fucking reason he never tried to solve the cognitive dissonance of thinking humans are assholes and also thinking that humans could live in the undefined world he had the vaguest image possible of. He didn't even know what his wish really was, despite pursuing it with everything he had. He had almost a decade to work on the wording of his wish, and he still just ends up with something as sketchy as, "I want a miracle to save the world from something, somehow, and remake it into something very specific that I can't fully imagine."
I mean goddamn was this man a moron. When wishing upon an omnipotent power to fix shit, at least make sure you have an idea of what shit you want fixed, and what that shit should look when fixed.
I just realized I went full retarded and mixed his ideal with his philosophy.
His ideal was stupid too, though. Removing conflict from human nature would be the same as removing free will, which means that in the end you are not saving humanity, you are saving a bunch of mindless robots.
Atleast he wasn't Shirou Amakusa Tokisada level.
>Death invites Greed. Greed allows Evil to accumulate. Therefore if we want to stop Evil then we should make everyone immortal.
That's not realy a problem if he would understand the difference between IDEAL and GOAL.
>Guns, broads, burgers, nicotine
Living the dream.
>that's how everyone aiming for it thinks.
Literaly everyone understands that the grail is only "functionaly omnipotent" and goes into the grailwar either without or with a clearly defined wish.
What? Was that seriously his goal?
I thought he would have a better idea. Didn't he read all those works and myths where being immortal actually turned people into even bigger assholes?
He seems alright with that to be honest, it's the honor debate all over again. He'd probably say something like
>Freewill is just a flowery term that we use to justify the evils of others.
I am pretty sure he wasn't literate.
I realy wish he would have summoned anyone but Saibah.
Every other Knight would have gotten fed up with his bullshit and suckerpunched him.
Kinda like Siegfried did with Gordes
>Didn't he read all those works and myths where being immortal actually turned people into even bigger assholes?
He did, but then he got distracted by his perfect chocolate abs.
The moment he starts denying freewill he has already become a villain and his whole quest to save humanity becomes worthless.
It's funny how Kiritsugu, the hero, was trying to restrain humanity from its freewill while Kirei, the villain, believes so much in that freedom bullshit that he would even allow an Eldritch Abomination that wishes to exterminate humanity to exist just because it has the same right to be born as any other being.
>The moment he starts denying freewill he has already become a villain
I wouldn't go that far, maybe if he wanted to became the godking but he wanted people to stop creating evil magic shit and starting wars. I'd imagine the people Caster got his hands on would be fine with the end of conflict and suffering.
I know we have this thread far too often for its own good, but;
The guy dual wields guns(often enough), wears all black and a fucking trenchcoat. He should be unintentionally funny like most anime heroes and make me snort and roll my eyes but he's weirdly engaging. Maybe because he's doled in more tolerable doses whatwith F/Z's ensemble cast.
What? Evil cultists just want the Ctulhu expy to be born because they believe they will be excluded from the human killing, will gain powers or some bullshit like that.
Kirei didn't expect anything from Angry Manjew apart from his own imput in the whole "Should something that is twisted by nature be allowed to exist?" deal. He knew it would kill him along with everyone else and was fine with that.
I'm glad to see all these anons shitting on Kiritsugu. I know /a/ if filled with Fatefags, but I'm glad we can all point out and acknolwdge what a shit character and awful person Kiritsugu is.
OP, you need to watch more fucking anime if you think Kiritsugu is badass. I bet you haven't even read the VNs, faggot.
Kiri is so fucking dead on the inside he doesn't even qualify to be an edgelord. He treats Saber like shit when she has done nothing wrong, he cheats on his wife. Cheating on his wife alone while being dead on the inside lets you know what a true piece of shit he is, as he still cares about his sex and feels the need to please it. He has dogshit ideals and is always trying to accomplish them at the expense of everyone else, to the point where killing you even if you're an innocent person will cause him no remorse.
When he rescued Shirou at the end, all he cared about was "saving himself", not Shirou.
Fuck off with your godawful taste in characters OP. I seriously suggest you re-evalute his character. No, he's not a badass either, He's a fucking faggot and I wish Saber would have decapitated him when she had the chance.
I wish he could see that his stupid pursuit led to his daughter getting her heart ripped out of her while still conscious. Fuck Kiritsugu, he damned everybody. He damned Shirou by taking away his home and original family, he damned Illyia, and he damned Saber. He damned Iri too. He damned himself. Fuck you OP.
>being immortal actually turned people into even bigger assholes?
That happens when they're the only one or part of the few who have immortality. Being one of the few with that characteristic makes you more powerful than those who don't have it.
Anyway, that's not the problem with giving people immortality. People are meant to die, that's it. Being immortal while living in a world full of mortals doesn't make any fucking sense. Everything else will eventually die off but you. Immortality while living in a world full of mortals is asking for loneliness, not necessarily from other people but from nature and matter itself.
You're missing the point.
Magic in the Nasuverse is kinda Order of Hermes esque.
For example turning something into gold would be one certain application of magic.
But for World Peace there are tons of possibilites Kerry would have to pick from.
He's supposed to be likeable when it comes to being "cool" and "badass" but yes, he is flawed. Fate/Zero drives the point to shit on Kerry's shitty consequentialism since he didn't even know the utility of the grail.
Well, there won't be any conflict if there are no human beings to cause it.
He should have known better than to put all his faith in a solution he couldn't even begin to imagine beyond the possibility that it could exist. It's literally the worst gamble you could make. It's like launching into a very general direction of space and hoping you'll stumble upon something really convenient just because you imagine there will be something good in that general direction, even though you don't know what you'll find or even if you'll find anything at all, but still being dead sure you'll find exactly what you're looking for, despite not quite being certain what that is.
Kinda. He figured the Grail could and would do anything according to his will, even if he himself could only see solutions bogged down in philosophical paradoxes and inconceivable scenarios. He thought all the myriad conundrums that sprung up from his ideas would just be ignored by the Grail.
He's just okay. Honestly, his segments were usually less entertaining than those of a lot of the rest of the cast. I sympathized very little with his struggle and he often didn't feature much in the parts I enjoyed the most.
my husbando stomps that shit face ass
it's just another form like metapod before he turns beautiful
Oh, sorry, don't mind me. I'm just worshipping my Tatsuya. Neat character of yours though, he was alright.