Is Ginko evil for giving in to desire?
>Say the bears represent emotions
>Get told no there's no fucking evidence
>Point out all the inconsistencies with the bears and how they respond with Kureha's emotional state
>Told I'm just a fan fic writer
HA fuck you all
>You'll never peek on lesbian school girls.
> Mitsuko will never appear on your bed
> whisper into your ear how she wants to become one with you
> she rides your dick in pure bliss
> you feel yourself falling deeper into the depths of desire
> both of you reach your climax together
> you open your eyes to find cum on your hand and realizes it was all a dream
Pretty much everyone and anyone in this show just wants some love.
It's just that everyone has different styles of love and over half of the casts targets Kureha, so things get messy.
>muh feminism in anime
Do you realize that by that logic, every school-themed anime where girls attend to school would be considered as feminst? Why are /pol/tards leaking this fucking much?
no you have to dig in Ikuhara's themes and its all about feminism shit. Female oppression by males, gender roles are bad homosexuality is glorifies. Sexualization of adolescents. Hatred of all things pure
Do you realize feminism isn't all about that shit? You stupid fucks only want to see certain things as feminism while completely ignoring others that are as well. Back to /pol/, nigger.
Anyone else dig the air of coolness in Ginko's voice when she said "kore?"
Agreed. Also my sides that it's even in the show. Truly a treasure.
There isn't enough fanservice like this without it being overboard.
Does it matter? I wouldn't even call "feminism."
I'm sorry feminism has done more than enough to discredit them and embarrass themselves. Showing time and time again they really aren't about equality but special privileges only for women. Everything is the fault of the "patriarchy"
they are also cleary SJWs who woill call you misogynist and bigoted for not agreeing with them and criticize.
They always make arguments that are immune to criticism and shut down debate using dogmatic doctrines of their political agenda
they are closed minded and actually treat women as if they have no agency.
Well of course, but there are plenty of other anime that have feminist ideologies, in fact, feminist ideologies that have already merged in our daily life we don't even perceive them as feminism.
the "moderate" feminists don't even do anything when radfems are shouting our stupid shit. The movers and shakers of the feminist movement are fucking vile entitled and privileged women who hate men. I judge feminism for their action and all I see is a literal hate group
Thanks for proving you're a /pol/tard and also possibly an American.
>/pol/ invented the word nigger
>before /pol/ nobody on 4chan called others nigger
Fucking newshits. Faggot is also homophobic for you I bet.
So what do you think the real storybook will contain?
Kureha already knew ginko was her childhood friend, so it can't be that. Maybe the whole thing about facing a miror and striking it was false?
I'm kind of sad the prezbear came back but was only a ghost or whatever.
I'd assume the ending would be happy, right? Because Kureha's mother made it. That's my only guess and reasoning.
I would also maybe think it has some shitty ending for some sort of dramatic reasons.
The only thing I'm certain you see is tumblr. And not saying radfems aren't feminists, but they are in fact just a vocal minority.
Also LGBT has nothing to do with feminism, homo awareness or whatever is a separate entity but commoners mix it together because both are anti-oppression.
you have to read more. Faminists control the media
why do you think there is so much opposition to Mens Rights Movements, Gamergate and any other pro free-speech/diversity and anti-Political Correct group there is. Feminists like to play the victim card a lot and are pretty skilled at it
It would explain the half bear half human forms of all the bears being coming out of the closet or being kind of gay in public. Not sure just throwing out ideas.
This is true, we don't really know much about her except the parts we were told were from a skewed POV.
Kek. And MRA haven't even really tried to go to the real world, as most of MRA are just neckbeards with too much time in their hands that would shit themselves if they tried to present men's problems to media. These matters are mere first world Internet problems.
did you know that MRAs actually held a conference but had to move it because of fucking death threats from feminists? They have been spreading around the issues but are always barred by feminists.
And people believing in Mens rights arents just Men there great women in their like Kristina Hoff Summers(a self proclaimed feminist) and Karen Straughan. Your comment just showed your ignorance of the MRA movement
There is no such thing as the MRA movement right now, they can't even stand against radfems as feminists once stood against men more than 50 years ago.
Keep praising your Internet movement filled with pussies with penises, though.
>I genuinely feel bad for Ginko, and Ginko alone. Everyone else dug their own shitty hole.
How did Ginko not dig the hole she is in now?
She let Sumika die, even though she could have prevented her death.
That selfishness is what put her in the situation she is right now.
The only character thus far who didn't deserve what she got was Sumika, since she never did anything bad to anyone. She was killed by jealous bears, because she had the love of the girl those bears wanted.
It's pretty gray, just read between the lines.
How is her situation gray?
She admitted she let Sumika die out of selfishness.
There's nothing to interpret her. It was spelled out for you, by the person in question.
Ginko has never even tried to deny her crimes to boot.
It is legit in some countries and institutions, but most first world countries and most of their institutions have abolished gender wage gap (as for same work = same pay), now if you talk about the gender wage gap that women make in general less than men because of their carrier choices and hours worked, that one is true.
Better tell the MRA to go back to reddit with his assumptions of how the real world works since he actually has no fucking idea of it because he spends all his time complaining about inane matters that don't really affect him on chinese cartoon forums.
She just feels guilty over nothing. I can't remember, did the judges call her a crimibear?
If so then I'll agree she is guilty, but until then she is just harboring false guilt.
>There's no arashi because it's invisible
>She just feels guilty over nothing.
How is letting one person go to her death nothing?
Unless you mean Ginko was somewhat brainwashed into believing she could help Sumika and didn't - and thus far no sort of brainwash has been implied - then there are plenty of reasons for Ginko to feel guilty about.
Furthermore, Life Cool has already called her guilty.
She could have prevented Sumika's death, but chose not to since she wanted Sumika dead. Ginko didn't do the act, but she had control over Sumika's life and death and chose for her to die.
>She just feels guilty over nothing
This. The true "crimibear" is mitsuko. Ginko has been calling herself a crimibear since she left Kureha the first time. She's just piling on her self pity by secretly having hoped her love rival went away, then getting what she wished for.
Man... She knew Sumika would die and did nothing to prevent it.
That's what she feels guilty about and a bloody good reason to feel like shit.
She let Sumika die over her own selfishness.
Dude, even Life Beauty didn't want Ginko to reveal her own crime, because she knew that wouldn't do any good for her.
>She knew Sumika would die and did nothing to prevent it
I'm sure she wanted to though. It's not like she decided to kill Sumika as soon as she could.
But she also wasn't going to go around saving her like some sort of beta.
Ginko did something morally wrong, maybe, but I don't think she deserves anything that has happened to her thus far as a result.
How is she responsible for any of those deaths, pray tell me?
The Invisible Storm girls got eaten by bears. Even if they killed for Kureha, Kureha had no say or any kind of responsibility in this.
Reia got killed because she misunderstood Yurika's feelings and also due to a misunderstanding on Yurika's part.
Kureha is only responsible for Mitsuko's death, and the latter had it coming.
>Ginko did something morally wrong, maybe, but I don't think she deserves anything that has happened to her thus far as a result.
That morally wrong action is what got her in her current situation.
She got what she deserved.
Her selfishness came back to bit her in the ass.
This is hogwash and you know it. You cannot blame Kureha, because there are a fuckton of retards around her.
>She got what she deserved.
>Her selfishness came back to bit her in the ass.
She didn't though. Kureha even regretted shooting her because she irrationally shot Ginko without actually thinking.
I bet if Kureha listened she would understand Ginko's story. Or at least not shot her.
>Kureha even regretted shooting her because she irrationally shot Ginko without actually thinking.
True, but that's because she has no idea how Ginko was involved in Sumika's death.
However, if she were to learn Ginko could have prevented her death and didn't (out of jealousy), do you honestly believe she would forgive her?
Perhaps, she wouldn't shoot her, but there's no way she could reciprocate her love after that.
>do you honestly believe she would forgive her?
Maybe not immediately, no. And that's fine.
> there's no way she could reciprocate her love after that
It's also hard to say. Kureha has let some strange things fly by. Especially with her mother's death.
>The bears are Kureha's emotions
But the bears are
symbols for a male dominated society that rules over and judges the actions of women. Ultimately approving any sapphic act on the grounds that its sexy for to chicks fuck each other.
symbols for a male dominated society that rules over and judges the actions of women. Ultimately approving any sapphic act on the grounds that its sexy for to chicks fuck each other.
but that's objectively wrong. The bears come and go with Kureha's emotions and seems to be more of a coming of age thing with a Psycho twist.
This show just doesn't fail to surprise. The production values may be shit, and the plot isn't the most coherent, but the fancy fucking visuals and homo-erotic twists always deliver.
Pic related was kind of pointless as they just shot Yurika, I guess the last three episodes will just be Ginko dealing with her rape instincts from Mitsuko until Mitsuko is finally rejected.
I want to rape her
I don't think so.
I mean remove all the bear and death shit and look at the story skeleton.
Kureha is a homosexual, obviously so, which upsets the school's social order, and also draws the ire of the principal who wanted to fuck her mother. Those things aren't Kureha's fault.
However by being proudly gay, Kureha stuck up a sign encouraging anyone who wanted to fuck girls to try to approach her. Because a private girls' school is all sexually repressed all the others were pretty fucking desperate. This means you've got sneaky, opportunistic girls approaching her. The problem with this is that the one Kureha actually loves is this weak-willed little waif called Sumika.
Everyone who wanted to fuck Kureha realized that they could easily target Sumika and chase her off. That's what happened- one of the lesbos raped Sumika and Ginko didn't intervene cuz she wanted her potential rival out of the way. However when Yurizono tried to approach Kureha, she was rejected (representated by a gunshot) by Kureha, pushing her out of the running (though she's still hanging around the school as a "ghost"). Ginko was also rejected by Sumika after she found out the full story about Sumika. So currently Ginko's in despair, goaded on by Yurizono.
The thing is though right, it is true to say none of this would have happened had Kureha not been so damn flamboyant. She could have hidden her tendencies like the other girls at the school and not made waves, and avoided this massive homo love massacre. That's kind of what the show is about- being honest about your sexuality and desires has consequences. It leads to drama and strife in society and can potentially turn you into a person like sensei who's heart was broken or one like Yurizono who has no love in her and just fucks people. On the other hand, that means you live in a society where people are excluded and driven away and have to live constantly in fear.
Which way is best is a choice the characters have to deal with.
Wasn't Yurika the one with the contract? I don't think that Mitsuko has gotten a court scene yet.
I think Yuriika definitely represents loneliness, preservation, and obsession. Loneliness is an emotion but are the other two considered emotions?
Mitsuko seems like she represents lust or obsession as well.
Ginko, maybe loyalty or as anon said, affection.
I agree with Lulu being selflessness.
No, just pure love
I think this "bears represent Kureha's emotions" is way too far-fetched and doesn't really make all that much sense
I think that, despite it being Ikuhara, we can accept that bears can be humans.
Everything can be explained for bears=human symbolism except the people who are eaten or shot and confirmed dead.
If that is also symbolism then yeah, everyone is probably human and bears are just open lesbians.
The bears evolve and appear as Kureha experiences new things
When she was getting serious with Sumika Lulu and ginko appeared and Mitsuko became more relevant
When Sumika died Mitsuko followed shortly after and Yuriika was more pronounced and given center stage. Ginko began to act more irrationally and Lulu becoming more prone to pleading much like someone who's just lost someone may tend to do.
The wall of severance separates people from their emotions it's societies expectations that while in society you mind yourself. Kureha broke that and bears got in
>bears represent Kureha's emotions"
It is ridiculous.
How is Mitsuko supposed to represent Kureha's desire?
Why do Kureha's "emotions" have their own backstories?
Is Lulu's brother and emotion? Which emotion?
Is the bear world just supposed to be Kureha's mind?
What is Kuamaria then?
>How is Mitsuko supposed to represent Kureha's desire?
token of desire
>Why do Kureha's "emotions" have their own backstories?
Do your emotions not develop as you get older?
>Is Lulu's brother and emotion? Which emotion?
Feelings of purity/Innocence
>Is the bear world just supposed to be Kureha's mind?
yes many conflicting feelings so much so that other emotions may be disturbed.
>What is Kuamaria then?
Her mother, parents are supposed to guide their children after all and all is as Lady Kumaria desires. She wrote the ending to Ginko and Kureha's story as Kureha becomes a woman and grows up
True, Mitsuko didn't like Yuriika. Yet she continued to let Yuriika go off and do her own crimibear things.
One would argue that make Mitsuko guilty by default since she didn't stop her.
The only thing we don't know for sure is how much Mitsuko knew about Yuriika and weather the knowledge was obtained after she had died.
I watch this show for the symbolism
>token of desire
Not sure what that means
>Do your emotions not develop as you get older?
Sure, so are we supposed to take the story of Lulu and her brother as a metaphor for something that happened in Kureha's childhood? Also, yes, your personal emotions change, but desire will always be desire, jealousy always jealousy. Why should symbols of these things change?
>Feelings of purity/Innocence
Should have known you'd pull this BS. Purity is a feeling, its a state of being. You don't wake up feeling "innocent"
The last 2 I can accept, but what is the meteor shower?
I think Mitsuko's just uniquely filling in as a visual representation of Ginko's depression. She was rejected by Kureha and feels like shit, so now she's falling into Mitsuko's hole, which was all "love is stupid just rape bitches". So Mitsuko's serving to symbolize that.
>Sure, so are we supposed to take the story of Lulu and her brother as a metaphor for something that happened in Kureha's childhood?
She was selfish but then her mother died and purity was lost at that point which made her open and selfless
let's say carefree instead of purity. I'm amazed you didn't even try to use a synonym
the point is Mitsuko didn't die and is scheming around ,I mean how can she be a ghost if she has a shadow
>carefree is a synonym for purity
Not that anon, but I think you're overinterpreting a little. Other characters can be embody certain concepts but there's a big leap between that and being facets of the main character's psyche.
>I mean how can she be a ghost if she has a shadow
I don't fucking know. At this point I'm getting trolled each week by Ikuhara every time I try to dissect the meaning of each episode and symbolism.
Hey guys, who was this?
>I'm amazed you didn't even try to use a synonym
Carefree isn't a synonym of either word.
I don't disagree that this is Kureha's coming of age story, and as such, each character serves a purpose towards bringing Kureha forward. I just think you go too far insisting that each bear is a symbolic representation of a part of Kureha's psyche.
We're still discussing symbolism right now of various things ITT.
Some things are consistent, yeah. It's not like I'm getting stuck on the basics we've discussed a lot already.
>You'll never be a little girl with an alpha girlfriend.
Implying feminists stood up against men. Votes were eventually going to be given to women regardless. There was no conspiracy not to have women to vote. Also men didn't have the right to vote as well until it was tied to the draft..
Many women dint want this right because of fear of being part of the draft. There were non feminist movements who were interested in giving votes to EVERYBODY before the suffragettes made violent protests.
In fact single women of position are allowed to have private property and vote. Voting had nothing to do with gender and everything to do with privelage
Yes, she has given in to DESIRE the same way Lulu had. Any else notice that there was no Lulu this episode outside of flashbacks?
>enter the thread expecting a decent discussion about the dual rape episode
>SJW, Feminism, /pol/, cold war, and other stupidies are plastered allover
What the fuck is wrong with you, /a/?