I like how they touch on the whole "don't worry i can make a living out of this anime stuff" but also present the difficulties and the reality of being on the edge of being broke and alone because of it.
every time i watch an episode i'm always left wondering if it was in support of young people joining the industry or against it.
I've been to 3 UNI anime clubs in the course of my schoolwork and only about ~10% of the people attending actually have money that they legitimately spend on legit anime merch. The rest are poor streamfags and fanartfags
>>122489913 The point was that anime that plays during primetime makes serious ad dollars (people don't need to buy anything) and even the late-night content makes the studio some money.
ALSO, inb4 streamfag hatred, Crunchyroll has injected a large amount of cash into the industry, and also doesn't depend on merchandise sales. something like 40 shows/season are simulcast and paid for by CR.
I'm preserving my anime collection on M-Discs for the future where anime is a thing of the past and a small subset of children writing a history report on depreciated media come to me for physical sources of this mysterious "animu".
>>122490587 I know you're a shill, but any economic model that is focal to the role of the middle-man in receiving and distributing the industry's capital is a bad one for that industry and its content producers. The publisher has no reason or incentive to pass its increased capital onto the studios it contracts, so they see no direct benefit. Rather, it uses that money and invests it externally, diversifying itself rather than putting capital back into its primary industry. Furthermore, if that improved bottom line takes a hit (say, CR's subscription-base drops and they pay for fewer shows in a season), the publisher recoups its losses by reducing the amount of money it puts into the industry in order to mitigate the loss of growth that will appear to its investors.
Funding 3rd-party goons like CR does not benefit the industry, and in the long term only harms it.
>>122489779 >but there are otaku all around the world. Outside of Japan, and even within Japan, anime is plagued by rampant piracy. Companies like CR, Funi, etc. only pay one off license fees for shows and recoup their losses through sub fees. The only streaming service that actually constantly gives back to studios is Daisuki, and that's because its shareholders are several major Japanese companies who have a vested interest in keeping their shit in their own hands.
A global otaku market means nothing when the majority of said market prefer illegal means.
>>122490930 Rationalize more. >doesn't buy anything >doesn't pay for anything >justifies it because middlemen Like every fucking form of entertainment doesn't have all the same forces at play. Netflix and Hulu are the same to Hollywood and they're glad to get the $ too.
>>122490981 I wonder; do animation studios see any profit from the subscription that the average consumer pays for their television service to watch that anime?
Because if not, then the distinction between downloading or streaming an episode illegally and watching it legally on television is pretty minor. It just comes down to the fact that the pirate has an ostensibly permanent copy for rewatching, as well as convenience.
>>122491018 The solution is simple; buy what is worth buying, don't by what isn't. If you really want to support the industry in the most direct way possible, import BDs and related merchandise.
People who watch anime on tv don't benefit the anime industry whatsoever. Streaming or downloading your anime isn't particularly different in that regard. Buy something when you believe it is worth buying and want your money to support the industry. You're not harming the industry by not paying to watch cartoons that can be legally watched without paying. That's just a silly notion CR shills parade around to bait you gullible fucks.
Hopefully understanding how the industry works, and how unpleasant the conditions can be will inspire some folks to actually import those expensive BDs, because frankly they're worth it, and the best way to show your gratitude and support. But you do not owe anyone anything for watching chinese cartoons on your computer.
>>122491239 It's simple economics. Anybody making money off anime has a vested interest in anime being made, and so they part with just enough cash to keep the spice flowing. It's the same as everything else.
>>122491454 I would assume merch has some benefit, but I honestly don't know how direct a benefit it is or who the money is going to with regards to it. At the very least, you can't go wrong with buying merch that you want.
>>122491651 It's done a pretty good job of making it seem shitty, that's why this topic even emerged in the first place. It's one thing to read some bullshit article complaining about the conditions, it's another entirely to see a cute anime girl eat bland curry in her ratty, rundown apartment with no shower and cry over her desk at work because she can't draw cats fast enough.
If anything, Shirobako made me realize that BDs are worth buying for those hidden gem shows that I really enjoy and appreciate.
>>122491956 >pay for a television and TV subscription >experience initial viewing of an anime without any additional fees, no money goes towards the studio >buy the BDs if I enjoyed my initial viewing and want to spend money to support the creators vs >pay for a computer and internet subscription >experience initial viewing of an anime without additional fees, no money goes towards the studio >buy the BDs if I enjoyed my initial viewing and want to spend money to support the creators
There isn't much of a significant difference. A tv-based viewer can still create a permanent copy with any of the numerous pieces of recording software that are commercially available and perfectly legal.
>>122492232 >pay for a television and TV subscription >experience initial viewing of an anime without any additional fees Huh? TV apps/subscriptions do have fees, and some little bit does go to creators. CR, Netflix, whatever.
>>122492182 Not him, but I sometimes watch CR on my XB1 and the quality certainly isn't horrible.
Being watchable does not mean the best, though. A BD will always look better than something streamed because of better encoding, source and no chance of the inconsistencies of the Internet possibly fucking things up. It's like why people use MPC-HC and madVR to watch over VLC. VLC is watchable, but people want better, even if its subtle or nearly imperceivable.
>>122492298 I'm talking about actual television, shillnon, not your streaming tripe. Unless you're trying to watch a premium of PPV channel, there's no additional cost associated with watching anime on television after you've paid your actual television subscription. Your 'little bit' goes to the middleman that you acquire the license through. The creators see none of it.
The point I was trying to make this that being readily viewable for no additional cost is the primary business model of the industry. Producers pay to have their anime aired on a certain timeblock which they generate no direct revenue from. The vast majority of consumers of anime experience it through their television in its airing timeslot, and legal means of producing a permanent copy of that television broadcast for personal use are common and widely available (it's even how most raws are created). There is no ethical dilemma here, and it;s absurd to imply there is some degree of ethical dilemma associated with viewing anime for free online when viewing anime for free on a television is perfectly acceptable.
Nobody owes the industry your shitty little subscription to your shitty little streaming site because they like anime, and people who actually want to support the industry they love have much better and more direct means of doing so, just as domestic television viewers do.
>>122492625 They're saying that you are not really contributing much, if anything at all. CR have already paid for shows by the time you watch them and are just getting their money back through you and ad revenue.
Plus you're not supporting the shows you like; you're supporting Crunchy Roll and everything they license. Great if you like everything. Not so great if there's one series you really like and would like to support, where it's better to buy BDs.
>>122492625 They don't deal with the production studio directly, and instead license through a 3rd-party, usually a publishing company. That 3rd party has no legal obligation or economic incentive to pass any of that money back to the studio that produced the license being bartered, and traditionally none of that money ends up trickling back into the animation-side of the industry as a whole.
It's not really CR's fault that none the money they pay to be able to legally offer their product ends up in the hands of the people who actually made the product, but they are their shills have a tendency to market themselves as though they're supporting the creators and the industry, which is patently false.
>>122492885 BD sales also play into the success of a series and its creators. Even setting aside the amount of money made directly off those sales, the number of volumes sold itself is a universal indication of success and prestige that is considered seriously within the industry.
No anime has ever, or will ever get an S2 because "it got a lot of people to pay for crunchyroll subscriptions", but the number of bluray sales for the first volume of an anime is a value considered seriously by sponsors, investors and the studio itself when considering future projects, and is an element of prestige attached to the individual names that contribute to the project's success.
>>122493020 For most shows, imported sales probably constitute less than 1% of the total. It's part of the reason why the west is not really considered much of a market by most of the industry.
It's an interesting issue really. I personally feel really good about buying a volume of something I really liked because when average sales are in the 4 digit numbers, being one out of 4 or 5 thousand is pretty significant of a contribution towards something I loved. Even moreso if you're only 1 of 300 people who had shitty enough taste to buy some awful show that you happened to love.
But at the same time, the western market as a whole is pretty much statistically irrelevant with regards to BD sales.
>>122493301 You made some shit point about not buying tv shows and movies on BD. I countered that you're still paying for it buy watching ads (or HBO subscription, etc). CR is a network much like Netflix, except that for non-subscribing viewers they also get ad revenue, like tv. The future. Welcome to it.
Protip: Networks actually do pay for content in Japan, just not very much for otaku shit.
>>122493312 Or you know, I could continue to buy blurays like I already do and support the shows and franchises I like in a big way instead of a token $0.05 per stream contribution and pretend like that means as much as having a physical copy with bonuses.
>>122493312 Anime producers actually have to pay to air their shows on a network's time block. They don't make money directly off of airing the show on television. Not from the ratings, not from the ads. Nothing. An anime timeslot is essentially a ~30 minute commercial.
The business model is based entirely on the merchandising that exploits the airing of that tv anime. This is why manga and LN adaptations are so common. Anime is frequently used as a means of advertising another form of media that's sold in physical copies. Outside of that, profit is generated entirely through physical releases, including BDs and the various forms of merchandise.
I'm not kidding when I say I want to hang out with Zuka the most. I don't even mean that in a "lel which bako would you fug" way. I mean that kid, and she's just a fucking kid, needs someone outside of her social circle to tell her that this is all part of the process of being young and ambitious, and that so long as she wants it, and has a gig on the side to pay the rent, then she just needs to stay focused and go for it.
>>122493569 I'd love to hang out with her because she knows how to hold her drink and has a really positive attitude. I'd probably end up trying to get her to imitate a bunch of random characters as we get smashed on sapporo and talk shit about Diesel.
>>122493594 Well, he's not. Not directly. If you really want to stretch things, you could say that by having gone to McDonald's, you're supporting TV shows in which McD's buy an advert during the commercial break or a network that McD's spend $X,000,000 a year on to host their adverts and he's supporting them through that, but that's really pushing things.
>>122493641 This is why everyboy should get CR subs. It's only, what, $9 a month and you can support the industry without having to pretend that you buy Blu-Ray discs to impress your Internet friends and you support every show you watch, not just the ones you pretend to like the most.
>>122493695 It's a stretch to say that you're paying for free TV because the contribution is that it may as well not exist. I doubt the 99 cents I paid for a burger is floating a TV show like Game of Thrones, or a TV show that I've never watched, like Breaking Bad. Or the 9302840923840924 other things McDonald's puts money towards.
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