>>122529690 UBW is the only route she gets back to her 100%. Hilariously, this is so late in the game it only serves in one battle and two short skirmishes before she nukes the Grail and disappears again... unless they go with the Good End where she becomes Rin's familiar, that is.
>Schooling Berserker until Archer interrupted. >Defeating Assassin's true Tsubame Gaeshi >Solving her personal quest despite not being the route's focus >Destroying the Tetsuo Holy Grail >Staying for hot threesomes with Rin and Shirou as Rin's bodyguard/secretary after all is over.
>>122532944 >She was holding her own, but then Archer turned the tide. Archer was doing nothing but distracting her until he tried to kill her along with berserker, interrupting the fight. And she didn't get her stomach excavated like in Fate.
>Anime only garbage. At the end of the route, faggot. Yeah, his sword was bent, but she's the one who bent it.
>Only in the inferior ending. People praise Heavens' Feel True despite being literally the same.
>>122533108 >Archer was doing nothing but distracting her until he tried to kill her along with berserker, interrupting the fight. And she didn't get her stomach excavated like in Fate.
She didn't get her stomach excavated because she had Archer backing her, and even then between the two they were dead even. The fight only turned in favor of Shirou and RIn when Archer shot that Broken Phantasm.
>People praise Heavens' Feel True despite being literally the same.
>>122533188 Of course it's not been in the anime yet dumbshit, who he even is hasn't been mentioned nevermind that he even is a CG, read the OP again, we're talking about what they'll add, not what will be the exact same
>>122533219 >She didn't get her stomach excavated because she had Archer backing her, and even then between the two they were dead even.
Ridiculous, it was outright stated that Archer's shots were doing literally fuckall. Archer was not ABLE to back her until he used Caladbolg. She did better because for some reason she didn't forget to go to terrain more effective for her to fight in, like she did in the other 2 routes.
Either way, you cannot deny she did much, much better in there than in the Fate / HF fight.
>>122533560 We don't need his background in full detail, either of Rin's dreams with monologues and some imagery are fine. Knowing his past changes nothing. I don't think they have a lot of time at all and the first episode is not one hour from what I've seen.
>>122533688 A second servant that did nothing but plink at berserker, who literally didn't bother defending against his shots because they were not worth taking the focus off saber for. He only became a threat when he used Caladbolg, and at that point saber had already fought brilliantly.
Regardless, this doesn't change the original point: Saber was a lot more competent and effective in UBW than in the other routes.
>>122534006 >Have you forgotten the scene where she literally stands around and does nothing while her current master is about to get raped by Shinji? Lancer has to come in and save her. She was too busy cheerleading for Shirou
>>122534126 >She was pushing him back completely until Archer's attack made shirou bring her back
They weren't gaining any particular advantage over each other. Hell, the anime had to make her look better for some reason. Archer's attack proved a genuine threat to Berserker, and made Ilya reassess the situation.
>>122533967 Okay, Bahsaka was a bit of a screw-up on her part, but everything after that she does fine. You shouldn't discount her Rider victory that much since she does it so quickly and effectively. She also had a pretty great relationship with Shirou and their daily night patrols were actually decent tactics.
I'm not saying she's much more competent in HF, but I'd say it's on the same level as UBW. It's only really Fate where she's gimped much more and blinded by her rabu for the japanese ginger.
>>122534235 >They weren't gaining any particular advantage over each other. The VN outright states she was about to bash his fucking head in when Archer nuked the battleground. Rin says she was winning as well. Granted, Killing him once wouldn't have ended the fight, but the difference between her performance in Fate/HF to UBW's was like night and day, and the deciding factor was NOT Archer being there, but the fact that she moved into the forest to lure BASAKA to the cemetary.
>>122534283 She didn't do anything important in HF except killing Rider though, and the only reason the patrols were working out is because Shirou wasn't a fucking infuriating mongoloid like in the first half of fate. She trashed Rider because they weren't fighting at school under her boundary field and Rider didn't use her NP.
>>122534475 >Because it's not needed if they actually use the mechanism to convey his past
What does that mean? All they've used so far is vague almost medieval looking imagery to portray his life. If anything that alone raised more questions than answers, even for someone who's read the VN. They're obviously setting something up because they wouldn't be so vague otherwise.
>>122529587 >Shirou drops the twin-tailed slut, gets with the real hero white girl/fake girl/mud-doll >UBW becomes the secret Ilyar Route >Double Infinity Blade works fighting space lizards >Secret Berserker sex scene >Rin isn't seen again after episode thirteen, Saber is entirely forgotten, Shirou traces a blanket for naked Gilgamesh as he joins the harem.
>>122534283 >All Shirou had to do was gut Saber when she was on the floor and go help Toshaka >Then Rin would have Hugged Sakura awake, Shirou would rulebreak'er, and after destroying the Holy Grail Sakura could have both Rider and Saber to feed on her excessive Mana.
>Hell, Shirou could have just traced Rulebreaker against Saber, broken her contract, and taken said Rulebreaker over to sakura to break her contract too. 2 bitches with one knife.
>>122534605 If they actually use Rin's dreams like they're supposed to be used we don't need an Archer episode. They could have done a lot with the one with the medieval shit but they didn't for some dumb reason.
They have two more dreams from Rin to adapt, they should use those dreams to convey his past better. And if they use Rin's dreams correctly why would they also use an episode to do his past? It doesn't make sense to do both unless they are going to cut out Rin's dreams in favor of an Archer episode.
Are you pretending to be stupid? Saber's performance was not affected by Archer's attack, it was the change in terrain. Archer only stopped the battle after Saber had already fought brilliantly in comparison to Fate and HF.
The anime version at least has Archer doing more effective stuff to him and has Rin fighting Illya, which was a much clearer deciding factor than the VN got.
>>122534672 Laying out vague hints of his past and then explaining it all in a full episode or even set of episodes works just fine and could arguably be more satisfying. Look at the Kerry episodes in Zero. A couple of hints here and there, and then two episodes delving into his story.
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