Why did you tell me this was bad, /a/? I just finished this and I'm pleasantly surprised at how good it was.
It's as popular as it deserves to be, and that always annoys /a/. Without even looking at this thread I can tell you at least half of the replies rate it out of 10. Consider the kind of person who rates anime out of 10, I'm sure it reminds you of a certain website that is not /a/.
Introduction (1-4): 7/10
Build up (5-9): 5/10
Finish (10-12): 9/10
7/10 is fair enough.
As for Rebellion, the ending is not as engaging as the series one, but what precedes it is more enjoyable. 8/10 overall.
>liking character derailment
These episodes were really flawed. Sayaka and Kyouko get turned into plot devices so that they can meet their demise as the plot demands it, and Homura is way too incompetent - she arrives at every single witch later than everyone else, when she's supposed to be the one fighting the hardest with what we get to know later.
Plus, as I said before these episodes purpose in the story is to provide the build up for the main conflict, and they move at a glacial pace after episode 4.
>Anime original is released
>A lot of people are pleasantly surprised by it
>Retards begin hyping it up
>Second wave watches it, some are disappointed because of the hype
>Retards begin shitting all over it
>Third wave, some are pleasantly surprised because of the shitting
WOW ITS ALMOST LIKE THERE'S SOME KIND OF PATTERN.
>Sayaka and Kyouko get turned into plot devices so that they can meet their demise as the plot demands it
Explain further. I've noticed that people love to complain about characters being "plot devices" but almost never elaborate on what the fuck that's actually supposed to mean.
>Sayaka and Kyouko get turned into plot devices so that they can meet their demise as the plot demands it
How dare things happen for the purpose of story progress, that is totally not a common thing in literature since it exists.
Their deaths made sense and served the plot well, that is what matters.
i think that anon is referring to when characters are used only to advance the plot with no regard to the development to those characters.
i don't think that can apply to kyouko or sayaka though. it's just a case of not having ENOUGH time to develop their characters
Homura happens to be an expert on the subject.
>boards.4chan.org-a is the 698th most upset blog of 3374 ranked.
>the pope comes out of Rome and asks me who Jesus is
No. I am.
OP is the pope saying he never heard who Jesus Christ is.
Same with yurifags.
>Thread starts with ''/a/ now hates yuri what the fuck happend?''
>thread posted via yuri
You are all very funny.
See I get that too, but that's because I specifically have several filters set up on the catalog to highlight threads that may interest me. "via" in this case refers to the keyword that triggered the filter. That's why I asked you to check if you had any filters active. Otherwise I'm not sure what exactly you think that means. What do you think that means?
>Mami loudly sings this song to cheer herself up when she's lonely and scared
I choose to believe this is canon.
I kind of doubt Nagis can sing, that would mean she was useful in some way.
Well, she already hums it. Singing it is no far at all.
So far all we've heard form her is one high-pitched wail and explosive bubbles. I'm not impressed.
You made the same mistake 90% of /a/ seems to make.
>"Is this good"
>First reply "It's shit"
>"Oh, I guess /a/ hates it for sure them. Why does /a/ suddenly hate....."
First answer or reply about everything is always "It's shit", that's what it means to be /a/. Never go along with the first or second reply, instead wait for them all to come in and weigh them all a bit. The serious replies will sometimes come a few minutes later, but the quick replies are almost always something quick you can type without thinking much, and often about how its terrible.
/a/ is pretty "Everything is shit, nothing is sacred, everything is terrible", the only thing you might not hear it being terrible as a first reply about something is probably Yotsuba, Azumanga, or Planetes. If something is popular especially, it's shit for sure.
Or it's like you made all of that up and Madoka was very well received while airing, subsequently followed by a wave of backlash as people wouldn't shut up about it, just like almost every popular anime until recent years, where the wave of backlash hits before people even start liking any potentially popular show.
On a related note, looking at the "clarinet" tag on the boorus alerted me to the fact that Roberta's familiars play clarinet in Oktavia's orchestra. Never even noticed that.
Also never really noticed that Gisela's familiar is right there and the background looks like Izabel's barrier. AND there's some Klarissas, who didn't even exist except in timeline 3 with the alternate Oktavia barrier. And Uhrmann's familiars twirling around behind the Elly-familiar tubaists. Damn Sayaka's got a lot of familiars following her around. I don't recognize those other backup dancers with the yellow dresses though.
As expected of the paladin. All being a charismatic leader and attracting others to her god's cause and whatnot. I'm so proud of her.
Armor is for chumps without auto-regen.
>would make a great wife, will make you tea and let your motorboat her boobs
>would be a loving girlfriend but is also a potential yandere
>cute and nice, i bet she's great in bed too
>a cool chick, but will probably be fat as fuck by the time you and her are in your 30s
>fun to be around, but just not as good as the others. Also she's probably a pain in her ass on her period
DISCLAIMER: all madokas are good
Hey man I don't see how that's mutually exclusive with what I said!
Switch to a real class
Don't hold your breath. Maybe you'll get another Vita game or something.
>caring about damage when you're a zombie
With armor it'd be hard to go fast though.
Sounds boring. Aerial acrobatic maneuvers are part of what makes Sayaka-chan cool.
>people who listen to the fanbase think its a masterpiece and end up hating it
>people who listen to the hatebase think its shit and end up loving it
ITS FUCKING MEDIOCRE YOU GUYS. 6 or 7 out of 10.
Mami and Homura are the clingiest, Sayaka would start enjoying your hobbies even if she never head of it and Madoka would be the best mother of them, since she helps taking care of her little brother already.
Mami took care of this thing on her own, though.
Madoka is mega popular and was well received by pretty much everyone while it was airing, from casuals to the hardcore otaku to the "watching anime for serious plot and characters" crowd. It's still winning "best anime" awards from actual outlets that matter in the year 2015.
It also has a small and very vocal base of anti-fans who are mad that their favorite shows don't get the same attention, mostly Precure and Nanoha fans.
>some random fag starts Madoka thread with blatant flaming comments
>madofags hijacking (75% chance)
>blogging, circlejerking and waifufagging with homuhater, tripfags, imagedumpers
>if there's no serious circlejerking like TDS canon or crack-kun emergence, thread would slowly hit imagelimits and go die.
>they repeat this pathetic cycles like Homura
but they are still happy with this since PMMM is a Masterpiece.
might as well ignore the fact that they're lesbians while i'm ignoring that they are fictional characters
and the real reason i can't get a date is because i am the type of guy who browses /a/, which why
you can't get a date either
Watched this on a friend's recommendation. Seemed like a dopey little girl cartoon at first (but with nice background art I guess), then suddenly ALIENS! TIME TRAVEL! THE WORLD IS ENDING! PEOPLE TURNING INTO MONSTERS!
And then I changed my mind to "yeah, okay, this is actually watchable, and I like the alien dude."
While you got the right meguca as #1, you are a very lewd person.
Give 3 reasons to hate me. Just Try. You cant. Just praise me instead. I make the show
Not hate particularly, but on rewatching I realised how similar she sounds to Kafuka.
1) Your shorts are too short
2) You didn't act sad enough when you heard that your senpai died.
3) You abandoned Mami-san and went with the Raspberry in the Homuverse
No one can resist the raspberry, that's unfair.
She's become rather used to death, rather she's thought Mami would have died long ago before that point. Kyouko herself had embraced death at one point when she seperated from Mami when her parents died, but she just kept going day by day, and eventually found the will to survive again. Even if she had to become a bad girl, she lived on.
Only time she cared about Mami living was when they were able to bridge the gap again a bit, and Kyouko found some forgiveness for herself as it started to set right again.
It's, whatever you call it. Pragmatic I guess, but the kind of pragmatic like Homura here there's still some light underneath, but you're far too ready to see some darkness on top of it for now without blinking.
I don't hate her, but if I did hate her, I would hate her for those reasons. And I don't exactly ship them.
>No one can resist the raspberry
Kyosukeseemed to a good job at it.
>mfw reading that filename as "porn queen sayaka"
Kyousuke is violin-sexual, he has eyes for no woman.
Is /a/ aware of how bad the end to madoka was? I know that it was foreshadowed, but it totally contradicted with the theme of the show. Everyone who made a wish got fucked, where the bigger the wish the more fucked they got, but when madoka goes ahead and CHANGES THE LAWS OF THE UNIVERSE she just shoots away all the bad stuff with an arrow. How can one defend that? I mean, I loved the series all the way up to that point and personally couldn't think of any other good conclusion to the story but man that was weak.
It was directly stated that Madoka could make a world-changing wish as far back as like episode 2 man, pay attention. And it doesn't contradict the themes of the show because she had to sacrifice herself to do it.
>Kyosuke seemed to a good job at it.
He had something better to eat.
>shorts too short
And here i thought you had good taste!
>It was directly stated that Madoka could make a world-changing wish as far back as like episode 2 man, pay attention.
Reread what I wrote, I explicitly wrote that I knew it was foreshadowed
>And it doesn't contradict the themes of the show because she had to sacrifice herself to do it.
You mean turn into madoka god? Doesn't seem like that big of a consequence considering how enormous her wish was.
Everything wish comes with a backlash or negative side
Half of the negative parts of it were killed by the wordings of Madoka's own wish, since she wished to be able to destroy all witches without fail. Her own dark side could not destroy the universe with a universal sized witch, because due to the wording of the wish she has an absolute advantage over all the darkness like this.
The other negative side, is that now Madoka has given up her humanity, her life, this is worse than having had died in a sense, the more you think about it this can be far worse. She is now forever, in order to save a few dozen girls in the world temporarily.
She has perhaps chosen what might become eternal torment with time for such a small thing. However she has chosen it by her will.
She has enough power to change the universe due to karmic destiny and everything that's set up here, along with her own potential. I mean she can, but she still has to make the right wish for it to take full effect. In the end she chose a wish without a very small particular backside. Her own witch could not destroy the world, because her own wish kills it
>Doesn't seem like that big of a consequence considering how enormous her wish was
Homura would very definitely disagree. As would meta-timeline Mami. Just because you don't think she sacrificed "enough" doesn't mean she didn't sacrifice. The difference with Madoka is that of all the other girls, she alone knew the full consequences beforehand and chose to accept that burden, rather than being tricked or rushed into it.
>listening to butthurt minority of harem shitters
>Don't you try to tease me
Yes, because you are so damn moe when you get flustered.
What else would I have meant?
>same generic shit following the same formula
Madoka was an awful MC.
Her presence was barely felt as a main character and she was dull as fuck. She was a generic audience fill in.
The show would have been much better if the MC was Homura or Sayaka
>The show would have been much better if the MC was Homura
Then you'd just complain that the MC was a Mary Sue and an audience self-insert.
She was a great main character, and the only one who might learn everything needed to make the proper magical girl fixing wish.
Homura/Sayaka are in too deep, they'd never be able to do what Madoka did. Inevitable bad end. They work best as already established characters.
it was a 6/10 for me, it wasn't bad but it was mediocre. Didn't care for any of the characters and the story was pretty bleh. The first 9 episodes are so boring but the conclusion is pretty satisfying. I don't care to see the movie
I did really liked the art design of the witches and labyrinths though.
To bad we couldn't get Ophelia and Candeloro.
Why is there so many chairs in Madokas room? She doesn't have many friends so I doubt she'll need that many.
This is why we need OVA's for the Homu timelines she's been through. Maybe the became witches in certain timlines. Also Ophelia is fire and Oktavia is water so there is that, but Ophelia can use Rosso Phantasma.
It's not just Madoka's room, Mitakihara as a whole has a chair infestation.
Kyouko's powers were illusions and hypnosis, mind-tricks in general including controlling others in part, or just fooling their senses.
Shadow Clone Jutsu was just one application of those powers
Didn't notice. Also I want Sayaka's sword shooting pistol.
Why is my waifu, Miki Sayaka-chan, so very perfect and so very in love with me?
You can cause alot of trouble fooling your enemies.
It's telling you to sit down for the ending so you don't fall on your face.
Got tired of one page thread?
It's just talked about in data-books and interviews mainly, much like how most of how her powers work.
I think she uses it once or twice in TDS, but that's about as much as we've ever seen her powers really, since she lost them before the show started.
I mean I could try to find them I guess. Maybe they're on the wiki.
>HURRY UP AND BEAT GODZILLA OR THE WORLD WILL MELT!
>HURRY UP AND BEAT GAMERA OR THE WORLD WILL GET SLIGHTLY WETTER!
Magic whale was such a letdown.
Kind of. I found some very lovely YouTube videos of Honeyworks.
I'm always 100% right.
Hey water is no joke man read the bible
I need more laughing megucas.
Cute romance songs and stuff.
>Q - So what is the magic power of Kyoko?
>A - Regarding Kyoko, it is really very special. Because she got her wish of "getting people to listen" while in fact it was something like charming or hallucination, she got the magic power related to those things. However, because she lost her family, she totally negated those power with her subconscious mind. As a result, she fought only with the magic power she learnt later. This is the "hidden setting" (ura-settei) for her, although we never got to tell it in the anime.
>Alternative translation from /a/ - Kyoko's magic is actually rather unique. Due to her wish for "People to listen" her true magic is about shining light on things and illusions and such. That's the kind of magic she had. However, after losing her family she began to subconsciously reject that magic, and thus by the time of the events in the anime she had already lost those powers. That's why she only fought with the magic she learned after that. We had that all set up behind the scenes, but were never able to work it into the story to explain it explicitly.
Can't find the other interview yet
>A Solution for Jealousy at first video result
Very nice song. I'll check them out later.
I want a spin-off with them as their witches, doing evil things.
Sayaka's witch isn't even evil, brah.
Madoka many produce so many spin-offs.
I don't understand what you mean by that. It's hard to explain my feelings about witches, but Sayaka's witch was very sad. It had no reason to hurt other people like most other witches.
No, no, no. Some of them are evil and kill people. Just like how Homura and Madoka wanted to go on a killing spree when they became witches.
They broke into her house. Of course she's going to attack them.
Well, Madoka became the most evil witch ever as Kyubey said. Oktavia was just there playing her music and doing nothing and Homulily wanted to die anyway.
Charlotte didn't attack Mami either, or that was part of her decoy strategy.
None of the witches want to kill others. Madoka didn't become witches in that scene, they just were like "Fuck it, may as well become this thing". Witches killing humans is usually unintentional, while they're wrapped up in their own shit usually. A fraction of what they used to be, now they're forever enveloped in their own delusions, without logic or reason.
Homulily - Repeats her own death for all eternity, turns back the block, kills herself, repeat
Candeloro - Abducts people and forces them to have tea parties forever
Gretchen - Tries to save humanity, in a potentially destructive and forceful way or something
Ophelia - Witch of solitude, even her own familiars don't hang out with her, forever alone.
Oktavia - Obsesses about music and her lost love forever
Bebe - Just wants to eat cheese and candy, sometimes mistakes people for such things.
They aren't actively trying to cause damage ever, they're just lost to their selves in madness.
Sayaka was trapped. There was nothing she could do.
Exactly. They were going to do their last wishes. Sayaka just wanted to wallow in despair.
What about the TV witch?
They interrupted her despair. I'd be pissed too!
Candeloro is so cute.
You'd think seeing a friend trying to ease your despair and make attempts to save you would make you happy. Hell, I would've played them some music.
She still didn't really see Kyoko as a friend and she saw Madoka as a betrayer.
In one timeline she might have been singing.
Oktavia is very foolish. A singing Oktavia, I wonder how that would've sounded like.
Like cats against a nail board.
Why are Madoka and Sayaka such lewd kouhai-tachi?
>A singing Oktavia, I wonder how that would've sounded like.
But mermaids lure sailers with their alluring voices.
She didn't really see anything, that's half the point. A witch isn't in control anything, it's just a soul that's gone rabid and lost all reason or control.
That's the reason they couldn't save Sayaka there or bring her back to her senses like they thought. Her soul had just lost all reason and become a force without any intelligence of a certain sort backing it up anymore. Now it's little more than a monster that can only hurt others, even if unintentionally.
That's how witches work; the are the souls of magical girls that have lost all control/reason and gone berserk. A witch summoned while the magical girl is still alive, like we see in the movie, that's a soul being used while intelligence and reason are still in command, so it's not Berserk. At that point it's basically a Stand.
Witches are never evil though, they're just souls that have gone Berserk. You think they're still reasonable and intelligent beings at all, you're rationalizing why it saw this like this and how it saw that like that, for why it attacked them there, that's not how it works. It had already run out of reason in every form.
Only reason that Homura's witch still had some reason underneath it all in the movie is because she didn't really witch out in a sense, they were still within her soul gem. They were just in her pseudo world of the mind, she tried to abandon all reason to kill herself, but she had not actually witches out. In the real world she's stuck in time inbetween being a witch and not being a witch still.
Witches don't need reasons for why they do this, how they do this, they saw this person as a betrayer, they didn't trust this person. You're rationalizing like they're still people, but that's the reason why they couldn't save her by talking through it at the end there. Because it was just a soul gone berserk, there was no sense left to that beast.
>In Episode 9 when Kyouko is shown to pass through Sayaka's barrier, it is shown that when Oktavia shouts, a distorted scream is also heard and is known to be Sayaka's voice. This most likely meant Sayaka wanted to express her feelings but she could not because of her broken state. As seen before her transformation to be a witch, she had issues speaking to Kyouko. With her life reaching its end, she could not help herself in the situation.
At least she tried.
I feel bad for not being able to respond properly to your feelings.
I also miscommunicated. Oktavia just wanted to suffer alone.
It means we can't date.
Madoka never loved Homura and will be glad to abandon and kill her in accordance to her hope. Hopeless evil doesn't belong.
Homura never did anything good or useful for anyone. She is a talentless failure who deserves to die.
Sayaka: "She was talking about me."
Oktavia: "No, me."
How will Kyouko get out of this DAI PINCHI?
Suffering alone is the best.
Too bad she didn't go the yandere route.
Nope, I like suffering alone just like Sayaka-chan.
I want to become a witch.
Nah, it's alright. It's better this way. Yandere is unrealistic.
Becoming a witch is overrated. No one should suffer any form of despair.
He won't. Homura ruined everything, anyone who watches that and enjoys it hates every character besides Homura and is a piece of shit just like her.
She is a useless cunt that deserves to die. She ruined Mami's life, got her killed, and made her miserable many timelines. She tore Madoka and Sayaka apart out of jealousy, tortured Sayaka, let her despair and enjoyed it, and brainwashed her into submission. She got Kyouko killed, betrayed her trust, ruined her life, and used her like a disposable tool out of spite for being better than her. She did immeasurable evil to Madoka, including her original wish, never did anything good for her, and ruined her life, wish, happiness and purity out of insane, obsessive cruelty.
She deserves no less than endless suffering in abandonment for her crimes. Madoka never lived her and will be happy to grant her this fate worse than death.
>Begone, devil. I wish now I never laid eyes on you, that you were torn apart by that witch years ago. Nobody would have missed you. Nobody needed you. Nobody loved you.
We all may need to vent out to a friend when things get overwhelming.
It's fine. We'll all be fine.
Madoka has been top anime since 2011.
There is no anime that tops it since then.
How is stating facts a bait?
Neo-/a/ doesn't exist.
Anyone that honestly didn't like Madoka watched it after being spoiled.
Going into it while it was being aired after a bunch of ads from Shaft showing it off as a regular magical girl anime was what made it successful.
I don't think this is a big deal, because I don't recall any recent anime that aimed as high as Madoka to begin with.
We don't have to have a 9.6/8 MASTERPIECE every year; I'm fine with the current era of comfy slice-of-life shows.
>anime that aimed as high as Madoka
One of the most interesting things is that Madoka was never expected to succeed like that.
Everyone on staff talks how they were surprised by how popular and acclaimed it got.
Saying that Madoka aimed high shows you don't really understand it.
And this is exactly why Rebellion is such a crap. Not even Shinbo understands what made Madoka so "good".
Still have 6 years.
anon please. First, spoilers increase enjoyment more often than not. Second, a huge portion of the hype that led up to Madoka's popularity was when Urobuchi's involvement was leaked. Madoka spread like wildfire before it even aired because the gap between Urobuchi on screenwriting and Ume-tentei on chara designs was so appealing.
I like the effort, but you're too eager to write off people who didn't enjoy Madoka. There's no need for that sort of vindictive mindset.
I agree with him that spoilers make Madoka much less enjoyable.
The gap you are talking about resulted in expectations about what is going to happen.
There are many major twists that people simply didn't see coming and knowing about them greatly impacts the feeling of those twists.
I still vividly remember /a/'s reactions to each episode and discussions that follow.
Mami-san can't be fattened up, she has a magic metabolism.
Kyouko has no business being this cute and sexy.
>Saying that Madoka aimed high shows you don't really understand it.
Tunneling in on a single vague statement to try to derive a critical understanding of the speaker shows you really don't understand how people work.
The high concentration of fresh talent gives the show that "all-star appeal," kind of like, say, Chrono Trigger.
Madoka's creators didn't aim high, but their talents betray their expectations, and holistically the show is a masterpiece because of how marvelously every single piece comes together. For example, writers like Urobuchi and Horii come up with amazing premises but they don't overstay their welcome in the development process. They create a skeleton and leave it to the rest of the team to breath life into their story premise.
But hey, you watched the show too. I shouldn't need to go through every name of the staff and explain how they outdid themselves.
What state did Madoka live in for 3 years in Homuverse?
This is very important.
You underestimate my skill anon, I need only to feed her until she grows tired and sluggish. I'm sure she won't mind all my attention though.
Would Meguca have been as popular without Ume-sensei's designs?
Depends on who would have designed it instead.
But Ume's designs make them stand out and unique in comparison to everything else.
Unlike something like boys on the run which also has a unique and great style/art, Ume's is more universally cute while remaining unique