>>122728657 I loved it but it had problems. The sense of adventure died down when they stuck around that castle for a while. I was also kind of annoyed that very little of the original PV ended up making it int the show.
I kind of agree with this. I don't have anything against the Amira plotline, but it should have taken a back seat for the first 9 or 10 episodes. They could have easily condensed it to the end, leaving the first 3/4 of the series for adventures and favaro/kaiser/rita plot.
Hell, they all had more interesting back stories than Amira. It's a real shame, hopefully we get another season with less drawn out plotlines
>>122735043 It's not really major until 8 is it, though. What should have been Amira abduction and another attempt was more important for Kaisar's meltdown in 5 and then reconciliation, the problem is that while those advanced the main as well as the Favaro and Kaisar plot it wasn't nearly as smooth afterwards.
>>122733765 What's bigger and dumber about it from any other animu with "big bad approaching?" Even Madoka has the same plot line and I've never seen anyone bitching about it as much as I've seen bitching about Bahamut.
>>122728877 >I was also kind of annoyed that very little of the original PV ended up making it int the show. 90% of the original PV was used in the show. The only scene that's missing is the scene at the beginning with dragons flying among floating islands. Everything else is there re-animated anew to match the art style.
>>122735484 If I were to agree with any complaining about the second half, it'd definitely be the ep 8 where the show had it weakest moments. Actually, I don't even mind 8 since it was a much deserved breather after the almost non stop action from eps 5-7, it's episode 9 where the show started to longue too much and rely on exposition. Around 9-10 it started to feel like it just started to take over entire episodes (the Lavalley chat, forrest dragon, gods scheming). I really wished it had a few more episodes to reinvent itself into new adventure before the main plot climax arrived. I would've also liked more focus on newly reformed friendship between Kaisar and Favaro and some more focus on the side characters. I would leave episodes 11 and 12 as they are, maybe only stretch them out some more. I don't think anything "fell apart" by then, everything actually came together very nice.
>>122739881 I think 7 was really good and 11-12 were great but 8-10 dragged a bit. although if 8-9 had less exposition 10 wouldn't have felt like more of the same. 11-12 made it all up to me though.
I think if the series had been longer and there had been a section of 1-3 like adventure episodes after the castle to break up the exposition it would have helped a lot. also it would have given a chance for amira/Kaisar/Favaro to interact. Amira ended up with barely any interaction with anyone not Favaro.
>>122740071 Character development was fine. Favaro gets closer with amira and kaisar gets over his revenge plot with sprinkles of development for the minor characters. They did well without it being overbearing on other elements for a single cour show.
>>122740598 While we never got the full story on what went down, the thing you have to remember is both Favaro and Kaisar are sort of weird mentally.
Kaisar is not a smart man and makes fast decisions he sticks to, ignoring important info that contradicts them until he gets smacked in the head. He is also very emotional and no tends to have little regard for his personal safety and is prone to despair. He is shit at looking after himself and needs other people/motivation to keep going.
Favaro on the other hand refuses to flat out say what he really means especially when he cares about something and seems to try to distance himself from responsibility/giving a shit even when he really does. He prefers people to think he is the 'bad guy' who gives no shits. He probably wants to be that but can't quite manage it.
So while he wants Kaisar to be okay he refuses to actually act like he wants Kaisar to be okay. So instead he goes with this crazy "I killed your father chase me in revenge" thing to keep Kaisar from offing himself.
Because in the end they are both sort of idiots emotionally.
>>122741652 I certainly hope so. I want to know how this ends. Does Favarocat break the furry mindbreak? Is he doomed to a live of cat? Does Lavalley get his dick out? What the heck kind of place of business is this?
I loved the series but will admit it had its problems. One of the few where I think it needed a few more episodes and that a s2 would be nice.
>>122740205 The ranking shard wars are putting a damper on the whole thing for me unfortunately. After being so used to losing in dead brigades we are facing off against top ten brigade after another and getting crushed, the worst being 146mil to 500mil+. I apologize to the anon I invited, it wasn't supposed to be this way ;_;
>>122743349 There is one doujin, and it's actually very good.
>>122743265 > I apologize to the anon I invited, it wasn't supposed to be this way ;_; Yeah this event has been absolutely insane. It's just big fish getting eaten by even bigger fish. Reminds me why shelling out dosh in these games is never a good idea. It's fine though, I'm used to losing streaks. ;_; At least I got a decent boost from the curewater gate and the teams we've been in can hold pan-modo long enough so I won't miss them.
>>122744211 >>122744465 Corporate meddling was surprisingly minuscule in this one. It's sad that Bahamut will forever carry a stigma of being an "advert" and get written off as such, when the only thing it has in common with the game are a few character designs at most and the show has been created wholly as a standalone.
>>122744499 Explain yourself, what exactly did Madoka do different? For ten episodes there's essentially nothing going on, it drags on between one-note character backstories and wangst until one, big dumb witch fight.
>>122744526 Sadly we still have faggots with exorbitant expectations, expecting the next Samurai Champloo or Cowboy Bebop from an adaptation of a mobile card game. I don't know where these fags are coming from or if they even watch much anime.
>>122744653 >sales >implying they matter The bold character designs should've been an indicator they don't give a fuck. MAPPA is just happy to get funded by that Cygames dosh. And I highly doubt Bahamut has 2 million active players, it's popularity has been decreasing ever since other mobage clones came out.
>>122744623 >The winner of the Grand Prize for a television series for the second year in a row. This year the work drew particular praise as an original work for animation, rather than being based on an existing manga or novel. The series continued to be an ambitious one, skillfully setting critical traps that shook the very foundations of the genre, leaving viewers unsure about the premises upon which this otherwise common theme of the "magical girl" is based. The seemingly adorable familiar Kyubey offers to grant a girl a wish if she will enter into a "contract" to become a magical girl and fight witches. Both the terror that lurks within "desire" and the emotional reaction to "miracles" that overcomes that fear……these are two sides of one coin, both born of the human heart. Putting the particular "media characteristics" of a television series — in which one must wait a full week to learn what happens next……to their best use, the series maximized the tension within the viewers’ minds even as they enjoyed the show’s beautiful images. The script is overflowing with the revolutionary energy that always strives to change things. With the hope that this series will become the necessary catalyst to change the world we live in, we award it the Grand Prize.
If you really think Bahamut was even close you need you head checked. Madoka kept getting better and better every week. Bahamut fell apart after snail castle thing battle. After they got to the city show completely lost direction. Fight with Azazel was pathetic. And almost everything after that was just as bad.
>>122744653 >that faggot again >heeerewegoagain Look, just because these two million faggots kill some time in that mindless time sink doesn't mean any percentage of them A. watches anime at all, B. would be willing to spend 80$ on exclusive BD. I know your motivation behind your posts, but no, saturating the market further with shitty moefag pandering anime will fix nothing and is by no means recipe for success.
>>122744843 This pasta has long became embarrassing, try to use your own brain once in a while. Just about anything in Bahamut was more entertaining and compelling to watch than that brooding, pseudo artistic bore of a series. The duck flight alone has more charm than anything Madoka could ever come up with.
>>122745185 Azazel should have been able to kill them easily but was defeated by his own mistakes. He's very immature and flighty and lets his supposed power go to his head.
He knew he should be able to wipe the floor with them so decided to play with his food first. However that backfired since they were then able to piss him off so much he started making dumb mistakes in his anger. This caused him to get so pissed off and wrapped up in kicking their asses that his didn't realise Jeanne was about to spear him until it was too late.
Pretty much all the major characters in the show are limited most by their own emotional defects.
>>122745119 >adaptation You should stop using that phrase, it stands in opposition to what bahamut has been intended to be. You've already been informed about it, stop acting obtuse. If they really wanted it to be an adaptation though, they could just as well add more fujoshi pandering because quite a few of Bahamut's storylines involve popular male characters and their homo love, Yurius, Albert, ect. Bahamut is actually not exlusively cute girls, some of the most popular cards are males.
>>122744465 I'd say likeable characters can extend even to the card game, I certainly didn't stick around for the gameplay. The artwork is better than most mobas I've played too, even if it can get overly detailed/nonsensical at times
>>122745464 Starting to think Cygames really knew what they were doing with this. The people already playing the game would rather spend their money on the game than the anime, so they use the anime to attract new people.
>>122746238 Favaro needs to, so he can grow a full-on beard. There are also the lines he speaks to Amira in ep 12: >Whenever you're in trouble I'll always rush to your side. Always have, always will. Which implies his life will be pretty much dedicated to getting her back.
>>122745715 >The people already playing the game would rather spend their money on the game than the anime No idea why people think game players should bear some sort of loyalty to the mobage and why should it extend to the anime by-product. The anime got little to no hype, and if recent years have taught me anything it's that first you have to hype your shit. You can't even begin to expect decent sales and interest if you don't pull out cash for advertisement first. Overhyped normalfag shows which shall not be named in here usually receive huge amount of hype months in advance of their run on TV. That's just how it goes. As for me, I only got to know about Bahamut because I follow Keiichi Satou's works, that's how under-advertised it is.
>>122748318 That'd be a ballsy move and I respect that. Severing the established visual continuity of a show would be a further set back in popularity but so what. It wouldn't be very realistic to expect anything Bahamut-related to happen right after its seal, it's only to be expected years would pass before either of them got anywhere with their search.
>>122744843 Madoka is flawless. Everyday when I get up I thank God for letting me live at a time where I can experience the greatest creation in human history. I am forever grateful to have witnessed the birth of something that will only truly be understood generations from now, like a modern Beethoven.
>>122745185 >Azazel >villain But he's not, his objective was actually on the protags side or at least neutral when you think about it in hindsight. Jeanne D'arc by an ironic turn of events ended up aiding the true villainous side both as knight (defended the key girl from Azazel thus giving Lavalley/Gilles free access to her) and as Dark Jeanne much more than he ever did. Azazel ended up manipulated into the castle raid by the same individual who led to Bahamut's release and it was predetermined by the narrative that he was going to lose. It was only a matter of how. I don't appreciate how predictable it was but the insight into his character was at least enjoyable to me. I think after the events of Genesis Azazel could be placed somewhere around a rival, not a villain.
>>122755908 Too bad it was so short. Like it's already been said in this thread, this was a show that could have actually been good with more episodes. There was a lot of stuff going on, and some more time would have helped even out some of the pacing I think.
>>122756384 I felt it definitely deserved another cour, even some filler episodes to show more character interaction would've been good. If something from what we had needed to be fixed I'd probably pin it on their overstay at Anatae. They probably should've left at episode 7 or early 8, just to fit in more adventurous stuff before 10. Of course all this wouldn't have been a problem if it just had more episodes.
>>122757637 Ah, if you're hoping to read Altered Past it's still not ready yet, I'm still recording. I also apologize, I screwed up on recording some of the event and Time Chronicle. They took down the rewatch earlier than I anticipated so I missed the proper opening for TC and can't record the dialogue for killing Mirin first time around since the rewatch automatically sends you to the true path. I'm almost done though.
I know some anon said it would be good to put this on the wiki, but I'll leave it to someone else to do it. Creating pages is confusing to me, and I'm already bogged down with trying to record current events as well.
>>122761598 Technically the fallen angels he's shown to be a fag for go under the corruption tag. I wouldn't mind more Cocytus scenes, that place looks badass hive of hell with intriguing inter decorations. And because it gives no sense of scale there's no telling how big that thing actually is. Is every orange dot and entire castle? The official height chart states Satan is 150m tall so he'd have to fit somewhere in there right?
>>122756731 >>122756384 With just a few more episodes the series could achieve greatness, there's no chance for a ova or movie overhaul of the end of the series, but maybe a S2 could make up for that.
>>122762646 Even though hell seemed even more bureaucratic and structured than heaven, it didn't seem like there was a tribunal of any sort and demons can just off one another as they please. Back stabbing must be going on like crazy over there.
>>122763234 Hell is like prison, either fuck somebody up on the first night so they know you're not to be messed with or become somebody's bitch.
>>122745412 >>122745392For all his failures and fuck ups, Azazel is kind of stupidly resilient. That beam Jeanne used to turn those big ass ghuls into minced meat or slice Gregor in half? She used the deluxe Michael mode on him and all that's given was a few cuts and slight concussion. Survived Belzebuth fire flat to the face with no charring, got caught in Bahamut's flames which have been shown to annihilate angels without actually touching them and survived. Given all that it makes me wonder how could a piece of golden tape be any kind of threatening restraint to him, maybe he just didn't give a damn to struggle cause he was tired?
>>122763922 Well Azazel was fortunate enough to teleport out of Jeanne's light spear. Else he probably would've been killed like originally planned. Hamsa got directly singed by Bahamut's rage beams and was alright so I guess gods like Hamsa and Bacchus are actually strong with their magics and resilience too. Besides the more resilient they are, the better they are to suffer.
>>122755908 It's cool and a sexy plot device and may be dramatic if done well, but personally I hate it when it happens to characters I root for. It's largely a waste of time and set back. Usually the character resets to the exact point where they were before corruption and most often not by their own will but are jerked back with magic or 'power of friendship' so it doesnt add anything to their development, it just dehumanizes the character and serves mostly as a murphy's law-type of plot device. I just don't like when my favorite characters are so blatantly used as tools I guess.
>>122765359 The Cerberus you see in the anime is her basic card which has average stats. But yes, the game stats are all over the place where fairy girls appear stronger than mountain dragons and even Bahamut doesn't look to be the strongest.
>>122765552 >The Cerberus you see in the anime is her basic card which has average stats.
Ah, okay. Well, that makes sense. > But yes, the game stats are all over the place where fairy girls appear stronger than mountain dragons and even Bahamut doesn't look to be the strongest.
Yeah I remember seeing that talked about in these threads too. So really arguing that "muh waifu/husbando teh stronkest" in the game and in the anime is fucking stupid, since the shit is all over the place anyway. and seems to show little in relation to one another.
>>122765638 Kaisar is a fucking beast. He hung on to a rope for who knows how long, got into several fights, had his hand chopped off and then still went for another round until he had to be dragged away by a giant duck. At least Rita gave him some drugs part way through. I hope there were sandwiches in that cart or something.
>>122767194 To add to that, I find it hilarious how it's suggested how often Favaro needs to save his ass, yet he never takes time to consider why. All he needed was a few punches to the head to straighten him out. He really is hamma head.
>>122767194 I wonder how much Favaro had to secretly baby sit him in that 2.5 year revenge quest. I mean somehow Kaisar survived wandering the world being a bounty hunter but sometimes you gotta wonder how. He can't stab all his problems and the world is full of crazy shit.
>>122745735 Satou knows well how to concoct a good fujo which doesn't overdose on the homolust, so I'm not worried about that. It's interesting to note that he composed Genesis in oposition to T&B but it ended up similar in many ways. I don't really give a damn about angry moefags either, the show needs a bigger audience and since it's already been written off by otakus I'll take fujos because with fujos comes merch and good art.
>>122767809 >It's not like I care about you I just happened to show up at the bandit camp you were kidnapped in >It's not like I like you I'm just also after this monster for the bounty >It's not like I like you I was just in the same bar and noticed your drink was spiked
2/2: Kaisar: Now that you're awake, do get off, Favaro.
Favaro: Aaahh!? Maaaan, did I turn back into a demon again? SFX: shock Kaisar: ...Indeed. You certainly are clingy when you're like that.
Favaro: Hahahaha, well, it's not lie I remember anything. But for you, it'd be no trouble to just push me off, would it? Kaisar: Now look here.
Kaisar: I tried exactly that several times over, but you were having none of it. I only got bitten and scratched for my trouble. Kaisar: Not to mention you sent my hairpins flying all across the room. I lost the inclination to resist after that.
Kaisar: I'll have a bath now. You can look for my hairpins. ...Later, then.
Favaro: ......Yeah. Favaro: Aaaaaaah, dammit. (I did it again.)
Favaro: (Sheesh.) Favaro: ...Sure would've been nice if I could at least remember it... Favaro: (What a waste.)
>>122744832 >The bold character designs should've been an indicator they don't give a fuck. MAPPA is just happy to get funded by that Cygames dosh. They've already proved they don't really give a fuck by recently opening cygames anime division. So if anything Genesis made them want to do MORE not less. Even if they do kinda suck at promoting the series.
>>122769639 Reposting because I made a dumb mistake. No more 2 AM translatin' for me.
Datenshi Brothers (The Manzai Version)
Lucifer: Azazel, Lucifer: I'll be the boke, so you hit me with this paper fan.
Azazel: (Eeeek!) Azazel: Lucifer-sama, I couldn't! How could I ever bring myself to hit you? SFX: shiver shiver Lucifer: I see...
Lucifer: Then shall we reverse? I'll deliver the jabs to you, Azazel.
Azazel: (Lucifer-sama wants to jab it into me?!?!) Azazel: R-right here? In public...?! Azazel: (Does he think we need to spice things up in the bedroom?) Lucifer: That's not the kind of jab I was talking about, Azazel. Lucifer: (Are you really listening?)
But after this he did jab him... all night long (if you know what I mean)
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